Ōtsutsuki Clan vs the rest

not including hagoromo and hamura and kabuto can summon two shinobi

anime feats for indra ahura

game feats for shisui

no ps for itachi and shisui

@dust_hawk: @marc_55: @sladerulez: @god_vulcan@thevivas:@valarmelkor

team 2 should clear. I'll explain in just a moment

@thenewguysnm1: several reasons.

Sealing, speed, Not to mention we have two juubi jinshuuriki, the Akatsuki, and six paths Naruto and Sasuke, Who has been confirmed to be stronger than Ashura and indra

then there's guy, and DMS Kakashi. They have several hax they can use to take this

@sladerulez: if i add hagoromo

@thenewguysnm1: then team one.

@sladerulez: final edit

@thenewguysnm1: I still see team 1 winning. Sorry

Pretty sure team 1 takes this

Where was it confirmed Naruto and Sasuke were stronger than Ashura and Indra.

@larcadedragneel: Indra never unlocked the rinnegan, and Naruto's Skills in six paths senjutsu are second to none.

Even though we have Ashura with it, we have never seen him use it and we see him having trouble with a simple EMS.

@larcadedragneel: Madara himself admitted that Naruto was stronger than him before he absorbed the shinju tree.

Team 1 easy without pis

Team one wins.

@asurakj: @helloman:why exactly

@thenewguysnm1: They have kaguya, hagoromo , homura and others with so much hax it cancels out everyone on the other team. Especially when most of the other team cant use justsu against them but have to fight physically. Evn toneri can beat most of them as he is equal or stronger than war arc naruto. He can take chakra with a touch or from far and has massive aoe attacks.

@asurakj: ive excluded hagoromo and remember koto is not restricted to danzo who can rewrite reality

@thenewguysnm1: still have kaguya,homura and toneri could take out the other team. Hagoromo isnt some one stronger than kaguya so removing him doesnt change anything. As kaguya without pis and wis would solo everyone even hagoromo without a problem and her children only won cause they only fought the insane juubi.

I could see this being a win for team 2. Here's why;

1) Madara is Kaguya's equal, so the two of them will cancel each other out, if anything Madara wins since Kaguya has no brain!!

2) Obito has 10 tails and would mop the floor with anyone on team 2 except Hogaromo, but they'd prolly be equal.

3) Naruto/Sasuke would take on Toneri, and the two bedside him, which leaves the rest of shinobi against Indra/Asura and 1 OP Ootduki which I feel as though the shining alliance can handle. W/8 gates GAI DMS KakAshi and Hashirama, yea team 2 could win. But more times than not I'll say team 1 wins merely because most everyone on team 2's abilities are useless to the ootsuki family

@shadow411:

Madara is Kaguya's equal, so the two of them will cancel each other out...

Madara was never Kaguya's equal. It was even stated by Sasuke who even showed her Chakra was in a different league than Madara's. Madara had to get a powerup to fight on equal grounds with Naruto and Sasuke. Kaguya was slapping them around with pure physicals.

if anything Madara wins since Kaguya has no brain!!

I don't know why people say this, but Kaguya showed Critical thinking and Analysis during her fight with Naruto and Sasuke. Just read.

Gallery

She made an educated and calmly thought out analysis of what's happening before two relativistic opponents could even cover a few inches. Added to the fact that Zetsu is just Kaguya's will manifested, and he kept Madara and the Uchiha fooled for years. It can be argued Kaguya is even smarter than Madara.

Obito has 10 tails and would mop the floor with anyone on team 1* except Hogaromo, but they'd prolly be equal.

The only people Obito is defeating here is Kinshiki and Toneri. Everyone else would merk him.

Naruto/Sasuke would take on Toneri, and the two bedside him

Agreed. Naruto probably won't need Sasuke to beat Toneri.

which leaves the rest of shinobi against Indra/Asura and 1 OP Ootstutsuki.

What happened to Kaguya, Hagoromo, Hamura and Momoshiki? Granted Momo can be defeated, but how is the team defeating Kaguya and her sons? They're heads and shoulders above everyone else.

W/8 gates GAI DMS KakAshi and Hashirama, yea team 2 could win.

Guy dies after using 8 gates, Kakashi would be the only who could really do anything because he's intangible, and Hashirama cannot win against anyone in team 1.

@azureus: hashirama would stomp indra using shinsu senju going by the fact that indra didnt have anything besides perfect susanoo and virtually no feats>?

If Itachi is edo & has Shisui's eye, or potentially even without it, then the others (6 god tiers vs 5)

Naruto

Sasuke

Guy

Madara

Kakashi

Itachi

Kaguya

Toneri

Hagoromo

Hamara

Momoshiki

If no edo for Itachi then probably the clan.

Rest are fodder to this level.

@azureus:

No bro, she's brainless, she did 1 thing and you think she's smart, she didn't even think to just put them in another dimension to keep from getting sealed. Everything she did even remotely smart was told to her by Zetsu. Just because she has more chakra doesn't mean she can beat Madara, he can at the very least wear her down to minimal chakra.

Humara doesn't have 10 tails chakra and is basically a weak version of Kaguya (No 10 tails, no infinite Tsukiyomi, no dimension transportation, no sharrinegan) he's featless with no chakra to match Juubito. Toneri is no match for Obito, Indra is no match, Asura is no match, idk the movie ppls name, but they were barely stronger than Sasuke who was no where near as powerful as he was in anime/War. War arc Sasuke would've been stronger than all of them.

Indra/Asura are fearless except for anime, so we have to use their anime feats. And it took several ppl for Asura to summon shinsu shinju and All Indra had was PS. Hashirama would smoke either one of them.

Dude you are badly mistaken on all of this, I thought OP said he wasn't using Hogaromo, even if he is it wouldn't matter, Obito can beat him since here Hogo doesn't have 10 tails. Unless, we give him 10 tails, which I'd be fine with, but this would turn into a super stomp in team 1's favor.

Otsutsuki wreck

@shadow411:

Naruto, Sasuke, and Dms Kakashi without bias could clear "most" of the aliens pictured lol Madara alongside the rest of team 2 seal the deal. Also no asura and indra are not at all as strong as the Narudo Sauce duo individually nor as a team....no feats...nor lore depictions even state or even insinuate such things anyway...that is pure head canon/fantasy some fans made up...

Kakashi just too haxxx, and the two other ninjas in question in my last post fought quite a few of these guys whilst nerfed never full capacity/not well rested/drained/non fresh honestly just a testament to their true power and relativeness to the "gods" in their verse regarding the Naruto power hierarchy.

Edit: the day I believe otherwise is the day I see an ootsutsuki stomp an 100% Naruto or Sasuke without any underlining stimpulations like when Naruto was worried about the surrounding land when Momoshiki attacked him during Boruto's chunin exam thus hendering him from going all out which people always overlook...

@vintage_spiderman: but arent these the younger versions that means naruto and sauke cant one shot toneri and toneri can win against them with his abilities. In the movie natuto had pis against him at the start but after that it was against toneri which was why toneri lost. Homura is also strong as his brother and u can guess his abilities from toneri so he should defeat most of team 2 without a problem by taking their chakra or using tsb. The only reason kaguya lost is pis without it she has so many abilities which she could used, like making clones to end everyone.

Yes, by feats Hashirama>Indra. But by Hype Indra>Hashirama, his Susanoo was shown going toe to toe with Asura's chakra Avatar, and it was much bigger than Madara's or Sasuke's considering that it's face alone was bigger than the Bijuu Avatar Asura had.

@asurakj: hey. I can't tag you so I'll leave you a link to a thread of mine

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/my-dream-team-runs-the-army-gauntlet-sladerulez-1876171/

@shadow411:

No bro, she's brainless, she did 1 thing and you think she's smart, she didn't even think to just put them in another dimension to keep from getting sealed.

To put them in another dimension she'd have to open a portal then grab them. She was trying to avoid contact in the first place, so she wasn't going to BFR. It would just defeat the purpose.

Everything she did even remotely smart was told to her by Zetsu.

Zetsu, who is literally Kaguya's will incarnate. Even then, listening to Zetsu isn't brainless...what Zetsu said was true, so why would her listening to him make her dumb? Listening to a smart person is a sensible thing lol. It makes zero sense to call her brainless.

Just because she has more chakra doesn't mean she can beat Madara, he can at the very least wear her down to minimal chakra.

Bruh, have we read the same series? Madara after absorbing the Shinju and regaining a Rinnegan could only stalemate Naruto and Sasuke. Kaguya is revived and immediately trashes them and puts them on the defensive. Madara was unable to harm either of them after their Six Paths powerup. Kaguya trashed them both, it's clear Kaguya would stomp the hell outta Madara.

Humara doesn't have 10 tails chakra and is basically a weak version of Kaguya (No 10 tails, no infinite Tsukiyomi, no dimension transportation, no sharrinegan) he's featless with no chakra to match Juubito.

Hamura was Hagoromo's equal, and possesed the Tenseigan...him contributing to defeating Kaguya in her prime, is a much better feat than anything Juubito has done.

Indra/Asura are fearless except for anime, so we have to use their anime feats. And it took several ppl for Asura to summon shinsu shinju and All Indra had was PS. Hashirama would smoke either one of them.

Aight then, fair enough.

Dude you are badly mistaken on all of this, I thought OP said he wasn't using Hogaromo, even if he is it wouldn't matter, Obito can beat him since here Hogo doesn't have 10 tails. Unless, we give him 10 tails, which I'd be fine with, but this would turn into a super stomp in team 1's favor.

Juubito is not beating Hagoromo. He doesn't even need the 10 tails here...he beat Kaguya without it remember? Hagoromo and Hamura already had Six Paths Senjutsu before they fought the Ten Tails, the same power Juubito had to use the 10 tails to get. Hagoromo and Hamura beat Kaguya, something Juubito could never hope to do.

Team 1

@god_vulcan: reasons

@god_vulcan:

Too many powerhouses on team 1, and not enough people to match on team 2. Kaguya was able to hold off EOS Team 7 and lost to PIS, and now Hagoromo and Hamura are added, as well as Hagoromo's kids. It's simply too much, they're practically mythological figures.

And there are a lot of non-factors on Team 2, like the Akatsuki, 5 Kage, Danzo, Jiraiya, and Kabuto. The only people who stand a chance are the Hokage, Nardo and Sauce, DMS Kakashi, Juubito and Juudara. They'll get overwhelmed

Otsusuki clan can solo the narutoverse

@god_vulcan: well danzo could rewrite there deaths and the others could be there too create an opening also no hagoromo or hamura

@thenewguysnm1: I know about the hax he has. Kaguya is the progenitor of all the dojutsu so there really isn't any hax that can put her down, and she's immortal and all that good stuff

And if they keep coming back to life Team 1 can keep killing them, just like Sasuke did. Danzo only has 10 eyes, and one for each person

@asurakj: lol Kaguya doesn't know of any of the techniques created by humans/ninjas so she can't make clones.... potentially she could though..

@god_vulcan: Kaguya is strong yes, but let's not overrate her she got speed blitzed by Naruto(with half kurama six paths mode) who had been fighting an entire war mostly himself prior, and the rabbit goddess was also caught off guard by kamui's hax before multiple times as well.

@vintage_spiderman: she should cause she absorbed madara, has zetsu and everyone stuck in IT

@azureus:

Sakura listens to Kakashi so now she's smart...

We're obviously not reading the same manga, because the one I read, the second Madara came back with both rinnegan, Sasuke tried hit him with chidory which didn't touch him and Naruto tried to kick him which didn't touch him, all because Sakura tried to create and opening. Immediately after that, he flew up in the air and created 4 limbo clones and like 10 mountain lvl plus CT's to drop like rain. Also immediately after, he started infinite tsukiyomi. Then Sasuke/Naruto hid in Susanno. Then Zetsu hit him in the heart, Madara was never touched by Sasuke/Naruto, nor was he even able to absorb the infinite tsukiyomi chakra before Zetsu intervened (Causing Kaguya to come back). MADARA WAS STILL POWERING UP WHEN ZETSU HIT HIM, HE NEVER REACHED FULL POWER, so sasuke would say Kaguya was stronger. BTW, if you want to know the obvious difference is Kaguya gets knocked down into Sealing jutsu by Sakura, Sakura couldn't even touch Madara.

You said Humara was said to be Hogoromo's equal when SOSP didn't have 10 TAILS. Huge difference. Yea, he contributed to Kaguyabeing sealed, but kid Sasuke/Naruto helped with Zabuza's defeat doesn't mean they had a chance in heck against the guy.

You said humara plus hogoromo beat Kaguya, but Juubito never could hope to beat her, yea, but what about 2 Juubito's. 2 Juubitos would smoke her.

@shadow411:

Sakura listens to Kakashi so now she's smart...

Wonderful display of your comprehension skills. You called Kaguya brainless, I provided scans showing she's capable of critical thinking, you ignore that and say every sensible thing she did was instructed by Zetsu, who was right...so that's not proof of anyone being brainless.

PS. Sakura ain't dumb either.

We're obviously not reading the same manga, because the one I read, the second Madara came back with both rinnegan, Sasuke tried hit him with chidory which didn't touch him and Naruto tried to kick him which didn't touch him...

Sounds as if we are. What you just described here wasn't a decisive action, neither side was able to get the better of the other. That's what is known as a stalemate for goodness sake. Why is English so goddamn hard to understand?

Immediately after that, he flew up in the air and created 4 limbo clones and like 10 mountain lvl plus CT's to drop like rain.

Which Naruto and Sasuke countered...with ease. This is even more proof of a stalemate.

Also immediately after, he started infinite tsukiyomi. Then Sasuke/Naruto hid in Susanno.

More stalemating.

Then Zetsu hit him in the heart, Madara was never touched by Sasuke/Naruto...

Never argued he did. It was a stalemate!

nor was he even able to absorb the infinite tsukiyomi chakra before Zetsu intervened (Causing Kaguya to come back). MADARA WAS STILL POWERING UP WHEN ZETSU HIT HIM, HE NEVER REACHED FULL POWER, so sasuke would say Kaguya was stronger.

Stop your temper tantrum and give me proof of Madara powering up. No where was it even implied Madara was getting stronger. The Sage of the Six Paths who kept track of virtually everything, Said Kaguya was stronger. Stronger than everyone.

BTW, if you want to know the obvious difference is Kaguya gets knocked down into Sealing jutsu by Sakura, Sakura couldn't even touch Madara.

PIS now? Why is a PIS scene proof of anything? Aight then. You do realize Madara got stabbed by Zetsu. Fucking Zetsu. The guy couldn't even fight Chojuro, yet he beat Madara.

You said Hamura was said to be Hagoromo's equal when SOSP didn't have 10 TAILS.

Hamura achieved Tenseigan Chakra Mode later on. That would easily close the gap.

Huge difference. Yea, he contributed to Kaguya being sealed.

He did. He was his brother's equal in power, so he contributed a lot.

but kid Sasuke/Naruto helped with Zabuza's defeat doesn't mean they had a chance in heck against the guy.

But the difference here is that Kakashi did nearly all of it. With Hamura who was Hagoromo's equal in power, it would not make sense for a single individual to fight a stronger being while his partner who is just as strong does nothing. It was shown that they fought Kaguya together, and they were shown defeating her together.

You said humara plus hogoromo beat Kaguya, but Juubito never could hope to beat her, yea, but what about 2 Juubito's. 2 Juubitos would smoke her.

Juubito was overpowered by BSM Naruto and EMS Sasuke combined. Kaguya was smoking Six Paths Sage Mode Naruto and Rinnegan Sasuke one after the other. It took 3 God-tiers characters to put Kaguya on the defensive. It took 2 Top-tier characters pooling their power to defeat Juubito. Hell no. Kaguya is easily crapping on several Juubitos.

There is so much misinformation being spread here.

Also, lel @ 2 Juubito's beating Kaguya.

@azureus:

Eyy. Benn Beckman. Nice avatar.

@marc_55: I know apparently now Kaguya can perform shadow clone jutsu or a similar tangible clone variant even though she never utilized hand seals ever on panel nor showcased knowledge of anything that wasn't dojutsu or kkg based which makes sense given the storyline like lol the fact it was a ninja/human aka Tobirama who lived long after the events of Kaguya being sealed in a planetoid unaware of chakra's new found applications that invented shadow clone jutsu not anyone from her era...

@vintage_spiderman: Or that Madara was her equal and still powering up. Both are equally egregious.

@mysticmedivh:

Ayyy. Thanks

@azureus:

Sakura let Madara get both rinnegan, literally just stabbing Obito's eye would've ended it.

Chidory/kick not touching him had nothing to do with his interference, it wasn't a stalemate. He didn't even put up his guard. It wasn't a stalemate when they got CT's dropped on them or Limbo clones sent after them. That's like saying it was a stalemate when Kaguya summoned lava dimension (Which they were not harmed by), ice dimension (Again not harmed), Calcium/Bone release (still not harmed), the list goes on and on, i don't remember her actually causing serious damage to any of them, yet I do remember her being touched/Sealed. They never touched Madara, yet they touched/Sealed Kaguya. My point is, they were on the defensive for both fights. As I said before, Madara/Kaguya are equals w/o Zetsu.

Tenseigan chakra mode doesn't make you strong as SOSP w/10 tails. Toneri had tenseigan chakra mode and was still no match at all for 10 tails SOSP.

He was not Hogormo's equal. I don't remember them saying that in manga or anime, when did they? (Not being a smart ass, sincerely asking, idk if they did or not, I may have missed something). and I know you aren't using anime grates for Humara to be as strong as Hogoromo, anime made Humara out to be weak compared to his older brother.

A dying DMS Obito went to all her dimensions. Let alone him being 10 tails host, let alone there being 2 of him, let alone both being immortal.