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#1 Edited by addikhabbo (295 posts) - - Show Bio

Both at their strongest.

Who wins? And how?

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#2 Posted by MyLittleFascist (30245 posts) - - Show Bio

Othinus via finger snape delete?

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#3 Posted by Thekillerklok (9402 posts) - - Show Bio

Poor goku...

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#4 Posted by kurokoxyz789 (73 posts) - - Show Bio

With that troll face, i hope youre just trolling. Otherwise, Othinus wins easily

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#5 Posted by hewho (365 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku with a speed blitz and one shot.

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#6 Posted by houseshm (1966 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku should win quite easily faster stronger more durable and way more destructive

Name: Othinus, One-Eyed Othinus

Origin:To aru Majutsu no index

Gender: Female

Age: Unknown, probably at least thousands of years old (she was the actual person who inspired the myths of Odin)

Classification: Magic God, Leader of Gremlin

Powers and Abilities:Magic, Reality manipulation, Time manipulation,Moral manipulation, Potentiality Lordship, Reality Filtering, Personal Probability Manipulation, Meta Probability Manipulation, Necromancy, HighRegeneration, Immortality (type 1, 3 and Possibly 4), Causality Manipulation, Changing the natural laws

Attack Potency:Unknown | Universe level+ | Multi-Planet level (her crossbow holds enough power to destroy one or two planets, even through it is so powerful, that instead of causing an explosion it would pierce right through them)

Speed:FTL+ attack speed, can react in 10 nanoseconds | Unknown (capable of teleportation), can react in10 nanoseconds , instantaneous attack speed | Likely FTL+ attack speed, can likely react in 10 nanoseconds

Lifting Strength:Unknown

Striking Strength:Unknown

Durability:Unknown, likely Multi-Planet level (shot herself with her crossbow, Immortality and Regeneration make her difficult to kill) | Unknown | Unknown, likely Multi-Planet level

Stamina: Unknown | Limitless | Very Low (Is rapidly weakened through the Fairy spell, the spell is slowly killing her)

Range: Several Meters | Universal+ | Low Multi-Planet level

Standard Equipment: Likely the Bone boat | Gungnir, the Bone boat | the Bone boat

Intelligence: Incredibly high, and has a vast knowledge of science and magic

Weaknesses: Very arrogant, her powers have an equal chance of success and failure | Very arrogant | Very arrogant, slowly dying from the Fairy Spell

Name: Son Goku/Kakarot

Origin:Dragon Ball

Gender: Male

Age: 12 years old at the start of Part I - Currently 34 years old

Classification: Alien (Saiya-jin [Saiyan in the English Adaptations]), Martial Artist, Deity

Powers and Abilities:Superhuman Strength, Superhuman Speed, Superhuman Durability, Superhuman Agility, Superhuman Endurance, highly skilled inmartial arts, After-image creation, TrueFlight, Ki Manipulation for defensive (can use his ki to enhance his natural durability and harden his skin to the extent he's able to block sword attacks from a fellow Super Saiya-jin with only his finger) and offensive (can shoot ki blasts capable of crossing thousands of kilometers and blowing up entire planets) purposes, can create flashes of light to blind his opponents, basic but high range telepathy (has not used this offensively however) and limitedtelekinesis, Ki Sensing, capable of transformation to increase his power even further (can either use his Kaioken technique to get up to a 20x boost linearly in all of his stats or use his Super Saiya-jin transformations up to 3 for an even greater boost in all stats), Ki absorption ability as a Super Saiya-jin God (also can't be sensed by beings lesser than a "God"), the ability to instantly transport himself anywhere with his Shunkan Ido (Instant Transmission) technique, a physiology that substantially increases power after recovering from nearly fatal injuries, resistance towards electricity, Regeneration (Mid-Low)

Attack Potency:Planet level (Overpowered Vegeta's Galick Gun) | At least SmallStar level+, increased toStar level+ as SS | Large Star level, increased to Large Star level+ as Full Power Super Saiyan | Solar System level (Far superior to Gohan in Cell Saga and superior to Fat Buu even when not being serious, said he could have defeated Kid Buu if he ended the fight quickly) | At least Multi-Galaxy level+ (Could go toe to toe with Beerus, while thelatter washolding back. The shockwaves from their punches were shaking the universe apart) | At least Multi-Galaxy level+ (Powered up considerably from his SSG to SSB form). Universe level with Kaioken (He can increase that power 10-fold by activating this technique in combination, which was sufficient to surprise Beerus)

Speed:Sub-Relativistic+ (Base), Relativistic with Kaioken in Combat Speed, Reactions and Short Burst Speed | FTL (Base), FTL+ (With Kaioken), FTL+ (Super Saiyan Form) in Combat Speed, Reactions and Short Burst Speed | At least FTL+ in Combat Speed, Reactions and Short Burst Speed (Can fight toe to toe with Perfect Cell) | At least FTL+ in Combat Speed, Reactions and Short Burst Speed | Massively FTL+ (Could keep up with Beerus, when the latter was holding back) | Massively FTL+ (initially after using just Kaioken x2, he managed to outpace and move very fast to not be seen by Hit, who is able to intercept and react to SSB Vegeta's attacks with ease.)

Lifting Strength:Unknown

Striking Strength:Class XJ (Superior to Full Power Vegeta using Kaio-ken) | At least Class XTJ (As a Super Saiyan, he managed to completely curbstomp Frieza) | Class XTJ (Can trade blows with Perfect Cell) | Class XPJ (Far stronger than SSJ2 Gohan; could fight evenly against Majin Vegeta as a SSJ2 and then went toe to toe against various forms of Majin Buu and managed to injure Fat and Kid Buu) | At least Multi-Galactic Class+ | At least Multi-Galactic Class+. Universal Class with Kaioken.

Durability:Planet level | At least SmallStar level+, increased to Star level+ as SS | Large Star level, increased to Large Star level+ | Solar System level | At least Multi-Galaxy level+ | At least Multi-Galaxy level+ (Able to take many hits from Hit). Universe level with Kaioken.

Stamina: Superhuman levels in both his base and Super Saiyan forms (can train for days with minimal rest and have long drawn out fights). Upon reaching SSJ3, his stamina is low enough that SSJ3 is almost useless against any fighter strong enough to use it against, as it can only be maintained for a few minutes. In Battle of Gods, his stamina is now high enough to use Super Saiya-jin 3 with Super Saiya-jin 2 effort.

Range: Universal

Standard Equipment: As a child, Goku used the Kintoun (Flying Nimbus), a sentient cloud he could ride on, and the Nyoi-bo (Power Pole), a magic pole that could extend and contract at his command. As an adult, uses weighted clothing.

Intelligence: Goku has mastery of various martial arts techniques and skills (can also copy techniques after seeing them once); years of experience fighting both powerful and diverse enemies whom have various abilities and powers. Is a combat/tactical genius for the most parts. Goku was the first to realize that Super Saiyan states were wasting an extreme amount of energy just by powering up to it, mastered the form despite the huge amount of stress (psychological and physical) the state puts on his body, which is more effective than training two years physically in the Room of Spirit and Time. Also devised different usages of the Kamehameha such as propelling it with his feet, homing in on targets, altering its path and range, using Ki to augment his physical strength, and so on.

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#7 Posted by deactivated-5b60e98a8eb99 (11593 posts) - - Show Bio

@houseshm: Just from that, he's universe level while she's universe level +, and she has hax.

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#8 Posted by houseshm (1966 posts) - - Show Bio

@houseshm: Just from that, he's universe level while she's universe level +, and she has hax.

read op her strongest form is multi planet level+

and goku is universal in all categories not just one, he is way more durable while she is just multi planet and alot faster

she is just FTL+, goku is Massively FTL+

Goku wins easily

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#9 Posted by deactivated-5b60e98a8eb99 (11593 posts) - - Show Bio

@houseshm:

Attack Potency:Unknown | Universe level+| Multi-Planet level (her crossbow holds enough power to destroy one or two planets, even through it is so powerful, that instead of causing an explosion it would pierce right through them)

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#10 Posted by kurokoxyz789 (73 posts) - - Show Bio

@houseshm: did you read the light novel? Othinus was able to erase the universe.

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#11 Posted by Gokussbkk (86 posts) - - Show Bio

I guess othinus

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#12 Posted by Saiyan77 (2135 posts) - - Show Bio

Multi galaxy / univseral buster vs planet buster

Goku wins this

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#13 Posted by deactivated-5bbee326da7b7 (1212 posts) - - Show Bio

@houseshm: did you get that from Vs battle wiki???? Because they are not credible and they want dbzcharacter

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#14 Posted by Thekillerklok (9402 posts) - - Show Bio

In the end, Kamijou Touma’s battle was the exact same thing.

Magic God Othinus could control everything. Without exaggeration, she controlled the world itself. If she wanted to, she could have galaxies collide to kill Kamijou Touma. Or she could break the bonds between the particles making up his body and cause his very existence to disperse. If she was the slightest bit dissatisfied with something, she could turn back time, re-lay the rails of fate that led to the future, and create the exact result she wanted.

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#15 Posted by houseshm (1966 posts) - - Show Bio

@ajax1998 said:

@houseshm: did you get that from Vs battle wiki???? Because they are not credible and they want dbzcharacter

they are just as credible as other fan opinions on here as well

I would trust them more since its a consensus of people instead of one or two fan posts

they are not inclined toward dbz

infact they gave othinus more generous stats considering its a light novel with no feats

for this battle goku blitzs and one shots

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#16 Posted by SMXLR8 (6421 posts) - - Show Bio
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#17 Posted by Gokussbkk (86 posts) - - Show Bio

@smxlr8: it's actually not but they do make mistake sometime and the stats are of a consensus of couple people

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#19 Edited by LimitlessEdge (2228 posts) - - Show Bio

@thekillerklok said:

In the end, Kamijou Touma’s battle was the exact same thing.

Magic God Othinus could control everything. Without exaggeration, she controlled the world itself. If she wanted to, she could have galaxies collide to kill Kamijou Touma. Or she could break the bonds between the particles making up his body and cause his very existence to disperse. If she was the slightest bit dissatisfied with something, she could turn back time, re-lay the rails of fate that led to the future, and create the exact result she wanted.

^This And to add to this for those not familiar with the Light Novel's they use the word "World" in place of "Universe".

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#21 Posted by Gokussbkk (86 posts) - - Show Bio
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#22 Posted by kurokoxyz789 (73 posts) - - Show Bio

@houseshm: light novel has feats...........you just gotta read

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#23 Posted by hewho (365 posts) - - Show Bio

Erasing the universe means nothing if you're slow and not durable.

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#24 Edited by Thekillerklok (9402 posts) - - Show Bio

@hewho said:

Erasing the universe means nothing if you're slow and not durable.

She also controls time, fate, and outcomes....

being fast and powerful means nothing if you have already lost.

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#27 Posted by Don_Sevour (1021 posts) - - Show Bio

Othinus... with ease.

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#28 Posted by josephgomes619 (3786 posts) - - Show Bio

@houseshm said:

infact they gave othinus more generous stats considering its a light novel with no feats

Are you a troll ? What do you mean by lightnovel has no feats?

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#29 Edited by ragnathehelledge (6 posts) - - Show Bio

Othinus!!!

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#30 Posted by houseshm (1966 posts) - - Show Bio

@hewho said:

Erasing the universe means nothing if you're slow and not durable.

She also controls time, fate, and outcomes....

being fast and powerful means nothing if you have already lost.

controlling time/fate/outcomes means nothing if your too slow to react and even think before your killed

hit can stop time completely yet goku is still able to hit him and hit is alot more durable than othinus who could get killed by one punch

goku blitzes with ease and one shots

@thekillerklok said:

In the end, Kamijou Touma’s battle was the exact same thing.

Magic God Othinus could control everything. Without exaggeration, she controlled the world itself. If she wanted to, she could have galaxies collide to kill Kamijou Touma. Or she could break the bonds between the particles making up his body and cause his very existence to disperse. If she was the slightest bit dissatisfied with something, she could turn back time, re-lay the rails of fate that led to the future, and create the exact result she wanted.

^This And to add to this for those not familiar with the Light Novel's they use the word "World" in place of "Universe".

this is copy pasted from the same wiki which I got the stats from and some starting saying it sucks, cherry pick at its finest lol

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#31 Edited by Thekillerklok (9402 posts) - - Show Bio

@houseshm:

controlling time/fate/outcomes means nothing if your too slow to react and even think before your killed

hit can stop time completely yet goku is still able to hit him and hit is alot more durable than othinus who could get killed by one punch

goku blitzes with ease and one shots

This statement is dumb and you should feel bad.

this is copy pasted from the same wiki which I got the stats from and some starting saying it sucks, cherry pick at its finest lol

Nah I don't even bother with that crappy wiki here have the full verse.

if it wasn't for copyright I would post the entire novel for you...

Kamijou tried to deny Othinus’s words in an attempt to look away from the hopeless situation, but Othinus’s reply was one of disinterest.

“These small fights are such a pain. I think I’ll just end the world."

Immediately afterwards, everything in the world was truly and seriously destroyed.

He had never been so far from understanding this eyepatch-wearing girl.

In that sense, she seemed further than the ends of the earth.

“This isn’t Sargasso. You carried me somewhere else while I was unconscious. That’s the truth of what happened! After all! Um… After all!! Anything else would be a major problem!!”

“Why do you think the world revolves around your convenience?”

“Then what happened to Sargasso!? What happened to Tokyo Bay!?”

“Does it look like any of it remains?”

“Then what happened to the people there!? What happened to Index!? Or Misaka!? Or Lessar and Birdway!? A-and not just them! What about all the people living in Tokyo!?”

“Why are you talking about this on the tiny scale of Tokyo Bay? What I destroyed is not contained to just the small planet known as Earth.”

Time had passed. By the time Kamijou realized that, he could not remember how long he had been walking. There was no sun or moon to judge time by. There were not even stars. He was surrounded by a pitch black dome. He may have only been walking for half an hour or so, but he might have been walking for three days and three nights.

Magic God Othinus could control everything. Without exaggeration, she controlled the world itself. If she wanted to, she could have galaxies collide to kill Kamijou Touma. Or she could break the bonds between the particles making up his body and cause his very existence to disperse. If she was the slightest bit dissatisfied with something, she could turn back time, re-lay the rails of fate that led to the future, and create the exact result she wanted.

-------------------

The girl known as a magic god closed her single eye just once.

It looked like she was trying to take her mind off of some truly hideous clown.

An instant later, the slight space between them was filled with tens of thousands or even hundreds of millions of strange explosions.

If the theory of relativity that summarized the relationship between time and space would allow a black hole-like object to exist under certain special circumstances, the extreme compression of space by their frightening clash may have twisted the continuity of time.

That was how extreme this series of attacks was.

A wall of explosions completely filled the space between those two monsters. It showed no sign of ending and seemed to completely ignore the concept of numbers.

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#32 Edited by houseshm (1966 posts) - - Show Bio

@thekillerklok said:

@houseshm:

controlling time/fate/outcomes means nothing if your too slow to react and even think before your killed

hit can stop time completely yet goku is still able to hit him and hit is alot more durable than othinus who could get killed by one punch

goku blitzes with ease and one shots

This statement is dumb and you should feel bad.

this is copy pasted from the same wiki which I got the stats from and some starting saying it sucks, cherry pick at its finest lol

Nah I don't even bother with that crappy wiki here have the full verse.

if it wasn't for copyright I would post the entire novel for you...

Kamijou tried to deny Othinus’s words in an attempt to look away from the hopeless situation, but Othinus’s reply was one of disinterest.

“These small fights are such a pain. I think I’ll just end the world."

Immediately afterwards, everything in the world was truly and seriously destroyed.

He had never been so far from understanding this eyepatch-wearing girl.

In that sense, she seemed further than the ends of the earth.

“This isn’t Sargasso. You carried me somewhere else while I was unconscious. That’s the truth of what happened! After all! Um… After all!! Anything else would be a major problem!!”

“Why do you think the world revolves around your convenience?”

“Then what happened to Sargasso!? What happened to Tokyo Bay!?”

“Does it look like any of it remains?”

“Then what happened to the people there!? What happened to Index!? Or Misaka!? Or Lessar and Birdway!? A-and not just them! What about all the people living in Tokyo!?”

“Why are you talking about this on the tiny scale of Tokyo Bay? What I destroyed is not contained to just the small planet known as Earth.”

Time had passed. By the time Kamijou realized that, he could not remember how long he had been walking. There was no sun or moon to judge time by. There were not even stars. He was surrounded by a pitch black dome. He may have only been walking for half an hour or so, but he might have been walking for three days and three nights.

Magic God Othinus could control everything. Without exaggeration, she controlled the world itself. If she wanted to, she could have galaxies collide to kill Kamijou Touma. Or she could break the bonds between the particles making up his body and cause his very existence to disperse. If she was the slightest bit dissatisfied with something, she could turn back time, re-lay the rails of fate that led to the future, and create the exact result she wanted.

-------------------

The girl known as a magic god closed her single eye just once.

It looked like she was trying to take her mind off of some truly hideous clown.

An instant later, the slight space between them was filled with tens of thousands or even hundreds of millions of strange explosions.

If the theory of relativity that summarized the relationship between time and space would allow a black hole-like object to exist under certain special circumstances, the extreme compression of space by their frightening clash may have twisted the continuity of time.

That was how extreme this series of attacks was.

A wall of explosions completely filled the space between those two monsters. It showed no sign of ending and seemed to completely ignore the concept of numbers.

What is dumb about it, please elaborate when you know you are wrong cant come up with an argument, what I said is correct, Goku is faster stronger and more durable

common sense says he wins

I dont feel bad about stating facts and feats

you should feel bad about posting novel statements that basically have no feats to show and yes those things are listed on the wiki :)

In this case goku has been written to be universal++++ by those standards and wins with even more ease

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#34 Posted by Thekillerklok (9402 posts) - - Show Bio

@houseshm said:
@thekillerklok said:

@houseshm:

controlling time/fate/outcomes means nothing if your too slow to react and even think before your killed

hit can stop time completely yet goku is still able to hit him and hit is alot more durable than othinus who could get killed by one punch

goku blitzes with ease and one shots

This statement is dumb and you should feel bad.

this is copy pasted from the same wiki which I got the stats from and some starting saying it sucks, cherry pick at its finest lol

Nah I don't even bother with that crappy wiki here have the full verse.

if it wasn't for copyright I would post the entire novel for you...

Kamijou tried to deny Othinus’s words in an attempt to look away from the hopeless situation, but Othinus’s reply was one of disinterest.

“These small fights are such a pain. I think I’ll just end the world."

Immediately afterwards, everything in the world was truly and seriously destroyed.

He had never been so far from understanding this eyepatch-wearing girl.

In that sense, she seemed further than the ends of the earth.

“This isn’t Sargasso. You carried me somewhere else while I was unconscious. That’s the truth of what happened! After all! Um… After all!! Anything else would be a major problem!!”

“Why do you think the world revolves around your convenience?”

“Then what happened to Sargasso!? What happened to Tokyo Bay!?”

“Does it look like any of it remains?”

“Then what happened to the people there!? What happened to Index!? Or Misaka!? Or Lessar and Birdway!? A-and not just them! What about all the people living in Tokyo!?”

“Why are you talking about this on the tiny scale of Tokyo Bay? What I destroyed is not contained to just the small planet known as Earth.”

Time had passed. By the time Kamijou realized that, he could not remember how long he had been walking. There was no sun or moon to judge time by. There were not even stars. He was surrounded by a pitch black dome. He may have only been walking for half an hour or so, but he might have been walking for three days and three nights.

Magic God Othinus could control everything. Without exaggeration, she controlled the world itself. If she wanted to, she could have galaxies collide to kill Kamijou Touma. Or she could break the bonds between the particles making up his body and cause his very existence to disperse. If she was the slightest bit dissatisfied with something, she could turn back time, re-lay the rails of fate that led to the future, and create the exact result she wanted.

-------------------

The girl known as a magic god closed her single eye just once.

It looked like she was trying to take her mind off of some truly hideous clown.

An instant later, the slight space between them was filled with tens of thousands or even hundreds of millions of strange explosions.

If the theory of relativity that summarized the relationship between time and space would allow a black hole-like object to exist under certain special circumstances, the extreme compression of space by their frightening clash may have twisted the continuity of time.

That was how extreme this series of attacks was.

A wall of explosions completely filled the space between those two monsters. It showed no sign of ending and seemed to completely ignore the concept of numbers.

What is dumb about it, please elaborate when you know you are wrong cant come up with an argument, what I said is correct, Goku is faster stronger and more durable

common sense says he wins

I dont feel bad about stating facts and feats

you should feel bad about posting novel statements that basically have no feats to show and yes those things are listed on the wiki :)

In this case goku has been written to be universal++++ by those standards and wins with even more ease

Ok... Now stick with me for a second here....

You have two characters...

Character A is Faster and stronger then Character B

Character B can choose the outcome of the match and how it plays out.

who wins?

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#35 Posted by houseshm (1966 posts) - - Show Bio

@houseshm: Your laughable.

translation

I dont have an argument, I concede, goku wins with ease :)

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#36 Edited by houseshm (1966 posts) - - Show Bio

@thekillerklok said:
@houseshm said:
@thekillerklok said:

@houseshm:

controlling time/fate/outcomes means nothing if your too slow to react and even think before your killed

hit can stop time completely yet goku is still able to hit him and hit is alot more durable than othinus who could get killed by one punch

goku blitzes with ease and one shots

This statement is dumb and you should feel bad.

this is copy pasted from the same wiki which I got the stats from and some starting saying it sucks, cherry pick at its finest lol

Nah I don't even bother with that crappy wiki here have the full verse.

if it wasn't for copyright I would post the entire novel for you...

Kamijou tried to deny Othinus’s words in an attempt to look away from the hopeless situation, but Othinus’s reply was one of disinterest.

“These small fights are such a pain. I think I’ll just end the world."

Immediately afterwards, everything in the world was truly and seriously destroyed.

He had never been so far from understanding this eyepatch-wearing girl.

In that sense, she seemed further than the ends of the earth.

“This isn’t Sargasso. You carried me somewhere else while I was unconscious. That’s the truth of what happened! After all! Um… After all!! Anything else would be a major problem!!”

“Why do you think the world revolves around your convenience?”

“Then what happened to Sargasso!? What happened to Tokyo Bay!?”

“Does it look like any of it remains?”

“Then what happened to the people there!? What happened to Index!? Or Misaka!? Or Lessar and Birdway!? A-and not just them! What about all the people living in Tokyo!?”

“Why are you talking about this on the tiny scale of Tokyo Bay? What I destroyed is not contained to just the small planet known as Earth.”

Time had passed. By the time Kamijou realized that, he could not remember how long he had been walking. There was no sun or moon to judge time by. There were not even stars. He was surrounded by a pitch black dome. He may have only been walking for half an hour or so, but he might have been walking for three days and three nights.

Magic God Othinus could control everything. Without exaggeration, she controlled the world itself. If she wanted to, she could have galaxies collide to kill Kamijou Touma. Or she could break the bonds between the particles making up his body and cause his very existence to disperse. If she was the slightest bit dissatisfied with something, she could turn back time, re-lay the rails of fate that led to the future, and create the exact result she wanted.

-------------------

The girl known as a magic god closed her single eye just once.

It looked like she was trying to take her mind off of some truly hideous clown.

An instant later, the slight space between them was filled with tens of thousands or even hundreds of millions of strange explosions.

If the theory of relativity that summarized the relationship between time and space would allow a black hole-like object to exist under certain special circumstances, the extreme compression of space by their frightening clash may have twisted the continuity of time.

That was how extreme this series of attacks was.

A wall of explosions completely filled the space between those two monsters. It showed no sign of ending and seemed to completely ignore the concept of numbers.

What is dumb about it, please elaborate when you know you are wrong cant come up with an argument, what I said is correct, Goku is faster stronger and more durable

common sense says he wins

I dont feel bad about stating facts and feats

you should feel bad about posting novel statements that basically have no feats to show and yes those things are listed on the wiki :)

In this case goku has been written to be universal++++ by those standards and wins with even more ease

Ok... Now stick with me for a second here....

You have two characters...

Character A is Faster and stronger then Character B

Character B can choose the outcome of the match and how it plays out.

who wins?

Ok I will play your game

Character A is faster stronger and more durable (as you say yourself) than Character B can even think or process and B dies literally instantaneously as the fight starts

then how does it play out?

who wins?

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#37 Edited by LimitlessEdge (2228 posts) - - Show Bio

@houseshm: Nope, your laughable that simple because a character has written in book format it's accomplishments aren't feats.

That is stupidity at its finest.

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#38 Edited by Thekillerklok (9402 posts) - - Show Bio

@houseshm said:
@thekillerklok said:
@houseshm said:
@thekillerklok said:

@houseshm:

controlling time/fate/outcomes means nothing if your too slow to react and even think before your killed

hit can stop time completely yet goku is still able to hit him and hit is alot more durable than othinus who could get killed by one punch

goku blitzes with ease and one shots

This statement is dumb and you should feel bad.

this is copy pasted from the same wiki which I got the stats from and some starting saying it sucks, cherry pick at its finest lol

Nah I don't even bother with that crappy wiki here have the full verse.

if it wasn't for copyright I would post the entire novel for you...

Kamijou tried to deny Othinus’s words in an attempt to look away from the hopeless situation, but Othinus’s reply was one of disinterest.

“These small fights are such a pain. I think I’ll just end the world."

Immediately afterwards, everything in the world was truly and seriously destroyed.

He had never been so far from understanding this eyepatch-wearing girl.

In that sense, she seemed further than the ends of the earth.

“This isn’t Sargasso. You carried me somewhere else while I was unconscious. That’s the truth of what happened! After all! Um… After all!! Anything else would be a major problem!!”

“Why do you think the world revolves around your convenience?”

“Then what happened to Sargasso!? What happened to Tokyo Bay!?”

“Does it look like any of it remains?”

“Then what happened to the people there!? What happened to Index!? Or Misaka!? Or Lessar and Birdway!? A-and not just them! What about all the people living in Tokyo!?”

“Why are you talking about this on the tiny scale of Tokyo Bay? What I destroyed is not contained to just the small planet known as Earth.”

Time had passed. By the time Kamijou realized that, he could not remember how long he had been walking. There was no sun or moon to judge time by. There were not even stars. He was surrounded by a pitch black dome. He may have only been walking for half an hour or so, but he might have been walking for three days and three nights.

Magic God Othinus could control everything. Without exaggeration, she controlled the world itself. If she wanted to, she could have galaxies collide to kill Kamijou Touma. Or she could break the bonds between the particles making up his body and cause his very existence to disperse. If she was the slightest bit dissatisfied with something, she could turn back time, re-lay the rails of fate that led to the future, and create the exact result she wanted.

-------------------

The girl known as a magic god closed her single eye just once.

It looked like she was trying to take her mind off of some truly hideous clown.

An instant later, the slight space between them was filled with tens of thousands or even hundreds of millions of strange explosions.

If the theory of relativity that summarized the relationship between time and space would allow a black hole-like object to exist under certain special circumstances, the extreme compression of space by their frightening clash may have twisted the continuity of time.

That was how extreme this series of attacks was.

A wall of explosions completely filled the space between those two monsters. It showed no sign of ending and seemed to completely ignore the concept of numbers.

What is dumb about it, please elaborate when you know you are wrong cant come up with an argument, what I said is correct, Goku is faster stronger and more durable

common sense says he wins

I dont feel bad about stating facts and feats

you should feel bad about posting novel statements that basically have no feats to show and yes those things are listed on the wiki :)

In this case goku has been written to be universal++++ by those standards and wins with even more ease

Ok... Now stick with me for a second here....

You have two characters...

Character A is Faster and stronger then Character B

Character B can choose the outcome of the match and how it plays out.

who wins?

Ok I will play your game

Character A is faster stronger and more durable (as you say yourself) than Character B can even think or process and dies literally instantaneously as the fight starts

then how does it play out?

who wins?

Character B gets to choose the outcome from before,during and after the match friend.

Who wins?

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#39 Posted by Thekillerklok (9402 posts) - - Show Bio

Both at their strongest.

Who wins? And how?

Also don't think I don't know what you did!

I know...

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#40 Posted by houseshm (1966 posts) - - Show Bio

@houseshm said:
@thekillerklok said:
@houseshm said:
@thekillerklok said:

@houseshm:

controlling time/fate/outcomes means nothing if your too slow to react and even think before your killed

hit can stop time completely yet goku is still able to hit him and hit is alot more durable than othinus who could get killed by one punch

goku blitzes with ease and one shots

This statement is dumb and you should feel bad.

this is copy pasted from the same wiki which I got the stats from and some starting saying it sucks, cherry pick at its finest lol

Nah I don't even bother with that crappy wiki here have the full verse.

if it wasn't for copyright I would post the entire novel for you...

Kamijou tried to deny Othinus’s words in an attempt to look away from the hopeless situation, but Othinus’s reply was one of disinterest.

“These small fights are such a pain. I think I’ll just end the world."

Immediately afterwards, everything in the world was truly and seriously destroyed.

He had never been so far from understanding this eyepatch-wearing girl.

In that sense, she seemed further than the ends of the earth.

“This isn’t Sargasso. You carried me somewhere else while I was unconscious. That’s the truth of what happened! After all! Um… After all!! Anything else would be a major problem!!”

“Why do you think the world revolves around your convenience?”

“Then what happened to Sargasso!? What happened to Tokyo Bay!?”

“Does it look like any of it remains?”

“Then what happened to the people there!? What happened to Index!? Or Misaka!? Or Lessar and Birdway!? A-and not just them! What about all the people living in Tokyo!?”

“Why are you talking about this on the tiny scale of Tokyo Bay? What I destroyed is not contained to just the small planet known as Earth.”

Time had passed. By the time Kamijou realized that, he could not remember how long he had been walking. There was no sun or moon to judge time by. There were not even stars. He was surrounded by a pitch black dome. He may have only been walking for half an hour or so, but he might have been walking for three days and three nights.

Magic God Othinus could control everything. Without exaggeration, she controlled the world itself. If she wanted to, she could have galaxies collide to kill Kamijou Touma. Or she could break the bonds between the particles making up his body and cause his very existence to disperse. If she was the slightest bit dissatisfied with something, she could turn back time, re-lay the rails of fate that led to the future, and create the exact result she wanted.

-------------------

The girl known as a magic god closed her single eye just once.

It looked like she was trying to take her mind off of some truly hideous clown.

An instant later, the slight space between them was filled with tens of thousands or even hundreds of millions of strange explosions.

If the theory of relativity that summarized the relationship between time and space would allow a black hole-like object to exist under certain special circumstances, the extreme compression of space by their frightening clash may have twisted the continuity of time.

That was how extreme this series of attacks was.

A wall of explosions completely filled the space between those two monsters. It showed no sign of ending and seemed to completely ignore the concept of numbers.

What is dumb about it, please elaborate when you know you are wrong cant come up with an argument, what I said is correct, Goku is faster stronger and more durable

common sense says he wins

I dont feel bad about stating facts and feats

you should feel bad about posting novel statements that basically have no feats to show and yes those things are listed on the wiki :)

In this case goku has been written to be universal++++ by those standards and wins with even more ease

Ok... Now stick with me for a second here....

You have two characters...

Character A is Faster and stronger then Character B

Character B can choose the outcome of the match and how it plays out.

who wins?

Ok I will play your game

Character A is faster stronger and more durable (as you say yourself) than Character B can even think or process and dies literally instantaneously as the fight starts

then how does it play out?

who wins?

Character B gets to choose the outcome from before,during and after the match friend.

Who wins?

Character B will be dead before the match even begins though friend, like literally instantaneously?

Unless there is like prep allowed?

Who wins?

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#41 Posted by Thekillerklok (9402 posts) - - Show Bio

@houseshm said:
@thekillerklok said:
@houseshm said:
@thekillerklok said:
@houseshm said:
@thekillerklok said:

@houseshm:

controlling time/fate/outcomes means nothing if your too slow to react and even think before your killed

hit can stop time completely yet goku is still able to hit him and hit is alot more durable than othinus who could get killed by one punch

goku blitzes with ease and one shots

This statement is dumb and you should feel bad.

this is copy pasted from the same wiki which I got the stats from and some starting saying it sucks, cherry pick at its finest lol

Nah I don't even bother with that crappy wiki here have the full verse.

if it wasn't for copyright I would post the entire novel for you...

Kamijou tried to deny Othinus’s words in an attempt to look away from the hopeless situation, but Othinus’s reply was one of disinterest.

“These small fights are such a pain. I think I’ll just end the world."

Immediately afterwards, everything in the world was truly and seriously destroyed.

He had never been so far from understanding this eyepatch-wearing girl.

In that sense, she seemed further than the ends of the earth.

“This isn’t Sargasso. You carried me somewhere else while I was unconscious. That’s the truth of what happened! After all! Um… After all!! Anything else would be a major problem!!”

“Why do you think the world revolves around your convenience?”

“Then what happened to Sargasso!? What happened to Tokyo Bay!?”

“Does it look like any of it remains?”

“Then what happened to the people there!? What happened to Index!? Or Misaka!? Or Lessar and Birdway!? A-and not just them! What about all the people living in Tokyo!?”

“Why are you talking about this on the tiny scale of Tokyo Bay? What I destroyed is not contained to just the small planet known as Earth.”

Time had passed. By the time Kamijou realized that, he could not remember how long he had been walking. There was no sun or moon to judge time by. There were not even stars. He was surrounded by a pitch black dome. He may have only been walking for half an hour or so, but he might have been walking for three days and three nights.

Magic God Othinus could control everything. Without exaggeration, she controlled the world itself. If she wanted to, she could have galaxies collide to kill Kamijou Touma. Or she could break the bonds between the particles making up his body and cause his very existence to disperse. If she was the slightest bit dissatisfied with something, she could turn back time, re-lay the rails of fate that led to the future, and create the exact result she wanted.

-------------------

The girl known as a magic god closed her single eye just once.

It looked like she was trying to take her mind off of some truly hideous clown.

An instant later, the slight space between them was filled with tens of thousands or even hundreds of millions of strange explosions.

If the theory of relativity that summarized the relationship between time and space would allow a black hole-like object to exist under certain special circumstances, the extreme compression of space by their frightening clash may have twisted the continuity of time.

That was how extreme this series of attacks was.

A wall of explosions completely filled the space between those two monsters. It showed no sign of ending and seemed to completely ignore the concept of numbers.

What is dumb about it, please elaborate when you know you are wrong cant come up with an argument, what I said is correct, Goku is faster stronger and more durable

common sense says he wins

I dont feel bad about stating facts and feats

you should feel bad about posting novel statements that basically have no feats to show and yes those things are listed on the wiki :)

In this case goku has been written to be universal++++ by those standards and wins with even more ease

Ok... Now stick with me for a second here....

You have two characters...

Character A is Faster and stronger then Character B

Character B can choose the outcome of the match and how it plays out.

who wins?

Ok I will play your game

Character A is faster stronger and more durable (as you say yourself) than Character B can even think or process and dies literally instantaneously as the fight starts

then how does it play out?

who wins?

Character B gets to choose the outcome from before,during and after the match friend.

Who wins?

Character B will be dead before the match even begins though friend, like literally instantaneously?

Unless there is like prep allowed?

Who wins?

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#42 Edited by RandomSid82 (9864 posts) - - Show Bio

@houseshm said:
@thekillerklok said:
@houseshm said:
@thekillerklok said:

@houseshm:

controlling time/fate/outcomes means nothing if your too slow to react and even think before your killed

hit can stop time completely yet goku is still able to hit him and hit is alot more durable than othinus who could get killed by one punch

goku blitzes with ease and one shots

This statement is dumb and you should feel bad.

this is copy pasted from the same wiki which I got the stats from and some starting saying it sucks, cherry pick at its finest lol

Nah I don't even bother with that crappy wiki here have the full verse.

if it wasn't for copyright I would post the entire novel for you...

Kamijou tried to deny Othinus’s words in an attempt to look away from the hopeless situation, but Othinus’s reply was one of disinterest.

“These small fights are such a pain. I think I’ll just end the world."

Immediately afterwards, everything in the world was truly and seriously destroyed.

He had never been so far from understanding this eyepatch-wearing girl.

In that sense, she seemed further than the ends of the earth.

“This isn’t Sargasso. You carried me somewhere else while I was unconscious. That’s the truth of what happened! After all! Um… After all!! Anything else would be a major problem!!”

“Why do you think the world revolves around your convenience?”

“Then what happened to Sargasso!? What happened to Tokyo Bay!?”

“Does it look like any of it remains?”

“Then what happened to the people there!? What happened to Index!? Or Misaka!? Or Lessar and Birdway!? A-and not just them! What about all the people living in Tokyo!?”

“Why are you talking about this on the tiny scale of Tokyo Bay? What I destroyed is not contained to just the small planet known as Earth.”

Time had passed. By the time Kamijou realized that, he could not remember how long he had been walking. There was no sun or moon to judge time by. There were not even stars. He was surrounded by a pitch black dome. He may have only been walking for half an hour or so, but he might have been walking for three days and three nights.

Magic God Othinus could control everything. Without exaggeration, she controlled the world itself. If she wanted to, she could have galaxies collide to kill Kamijou Touma. Or she could break the bonds between the particles making up his body and cause his very existence to disperse. If she was the slightest bit dissatisfied with something, she could turn back time, re-lay the rails of fate that led to the future, and create the exact result she wanted.

-------------------

The girl known as a magic god closed her single eye just once.

It looked like she was trying to take her mind off of some truly hideous clown.

An instant later, the slight space between them was filled with tens of thousands or even hundreds of millions of strange explosions.

If the theory of relativity that summarized the relationship between time and space would allow a black hole-like object to exist under certain special circumstances, the extreme compression of space by their frightening clash may have twisted the continuity of time.

That was how extreme this series of attacks was.

A wall of explosions completely filled the space between those two monsters. It showed no sign of ending and seemed to completely ignore the concept of numbers.

What is dumb about it, please elaborate when you know you are wrong cant come up with an argument, what I said is correct, Goku is faster stronger and more durable

common sense says he wins

I dont feel bad about stating facts and feats

you should feel bad about posting novel statements that basically have no feats to show and yes those things are listed on the wiki :)

In this case goku has been written to be universal++++ by those standards and wins with even more ease

Ok... Now stick with me for a second here....

You have two characters...

Character A is Faster and stronger then Character B

Character B can choose the outcome of the match and how it plays out.

who wins?

Ok I will play your game

Character A is faster stronger and more durable (as you say yourself) than Character B can even think or process and dies literally instantaneously as the fight starts

then how does it play out?

who wins?

Character B gets to choose the outcome from before,during and after the match friend.

Who wins?

I don't know anything about Othinus, never read whatever she(?) is from. However, for this power to control outcomes of events, how long does it take Othinus to use this power? We know that Goku is fast enough with Kaio-Ken to move faster than a time stop, so it has to be extremely fast.

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#43 Posted by houseshm (1966 posts) - - Show Bio

@houseshm said:
@thekillerklok said:
@houseshm said:
@thekillerklok said:
@houseshm said:
@thekillerklok said:

@houseshm:

controlling time/fate/outcomes means nothing if your too slow to react and even think before your killed

hit can stop time completely yet goku is still able to hit him and hit is alot more durable than othinus who could get killed by one punch

goku blitzes with ease and one shots

This statement is dumb and you should feel bad.

this is copy pasted from the same wiki which I got the stats from and some starting saying it sucks, cherry pick at its finest lol

Nah I don't even bother with that crappy wiki here have the full verse.

if it wasn't for copyright I would post the entire novel for you...

Kamijou tried to deny Othinus’s words in an attempt to look away from the hopeless situation, but Othinus’s reply was one of disinterest.

“These small fights are such a pain. I think I’ll just end the world."

Immediately afterwards, everything in the world was truly and seriously destroyed.

He had never been so far from understanding this eyepatch-wearing girl.

In that sense, she seemed further than the ends of the earth.

“This isn’t Sargasso. You carried me somewhere else while I was unconscious. That’s the truth of what happened! After all! Um… After all!! Anything else would be a major problem!!”

“Why do you think the world revolves around your convenience?”

“Then what happened to Sargasso!? What happened to Tokyo Bay!?”

“Does it look like any of it remains?”

“Then what happened to the people there!? What happened to Index!? Or Misaka!? Or Lessar and Birdway!? A-and not just them! What about all the people living in Tokyo!?”

“Why are you talking about this on the tiny scale of Tokyo Bay? What I destroyed is not contained to just the small planet known as Earth.”

Time had passed. By the time Kamijou realized that, he could not remember how long he had been walking. There was no sun or moon to judge time by. There were not even stars. He was surrounded by a pitch black dome. He may have only been walking for half an hour or so, but he might have been walking for three days and three nights.

Magic God Othinus could control everything. Without exaggeration, she controlled the world itself. If she wanted to, she could have galaxies collide to kill Kamijou Touma. Or she could break the bonds between the particles making up his body and cause his very existence to disperse. If she was the slightest bit dissatisfied with something, she could turn back time, re-lay the rails of fate that led to the future, and create the exact result she wanted.

-------------------

The girl known as a magic god closed her single eye just once.

It looked like she was trying to take her mind off of some truly hideous clown.

An instant later, the slight space between them was filled with tens of thousands or even hundreds of millions of strange explosions.

If the theory of relativity that summarized the relationship between time and space would allow a black hole-like object to exist under certain special circumstances, the extreme compression of space by their frightening clash may have twisted the continuity of time.

That was how extreme this series of attacks was.

A wall of explosions completely filled the space between those two monsters. It showed no sign of ending and seemed to completely ignore the concept of numbers.

What is dumb about it, please elaborate when you know you are wrong cant come up with an argument, what I said is correct, Goku is faster stronger and more durable

common sense says he wins

I dont feel bad about stating facts and feats

you should feel bad about posting novel statements that basically have no feats to show and yes those things are listed on the wiki :)

In this case goku has been written to be universal++++ by those standards and wins with even more ease

Ok... Now stick with me for a second here....

You have two characters...

Character A is Faster and stronger then Character B

Character B can choose the outcome of the match and how it plays out.

who wins?

Ok I will play your game

Character A is faster stronger and more durable (as you say yourself) than Character B can even think or process and dies literally instantaneously as the fight starts

then how does it play out?

who wins?

Character B gets to choose the outcome from before,during and after the match friend.

Who wins?

Character B will be dead before the match even begins though friend, like literally instantaneously?

Unless there is like prep allowed?

Who wins?

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Friend this is not worth doing that to yourself :), I am here to help

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#44 Posted by NeonGameWave (19333 posts) - - Show Bio

Othinus.

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#45 Edited by Thekillerklok (9402 posts) - - Show Bio

@randomsid82 said:
@thekillerklok said:
@houseshm said:
@thekillerklok said:
@houseshm said:
@thekillerklok said:

@houseshm:

controlling time/fate/outcomes means nothing if your too slow to react and even think before your killed

hit can stop time completely yet goku is still able to hit him and hit is alot more durable than othinus who could get killed by one punch

goku blitzes with ease and one shots

This statement is dumb and you should feel bad.

this is copy pasted from the same wiki which I got the stats from and some starting saying it sucks, cherry pick at its finest lol

Nah I don't even bother with that crappy wiki here have the full verse.

if it wasn't for copyright I would post the entire novel for you...

Kamijou tried to deny Othinus’s words in an attempt to look away from the hopeless situation, but Othinus’s reply was one of disinterest.

“These small fights are such a pain. I think I’ll just end the world."

Immediately afterwards, everything in the world was truly and seriously destroyed.

He had never been so far from understanding this eyepatch-wearing girl.

In that sense, she seemed further than the ends of the earth.

“This isn’t Sargasso. You carried me somewhere else while I was unconscious. That’s the truth of what happened! After all! Um… After all!! Anything else would be a major problem!!”

“Why do you think the world revolves around your convenience?”

“Then what happened to Sargasso!? What happened to Tokyo Bay!?”

“Does it look like any of it remains?”

“Then what happened to the people there!? What happened to Index!? Or Misaka!? Or Lessar and Birdway!? A-and not just them! What about all the people living in Tokyo!?”

“Why are you talking about this on the tiny scale of Tokyo Bay? What I destroyed is not contained to just the small planet known as Earth.”

Time had passed. By the time Kamijou realized that, he could not remember how long he had been walking. There was no sun or moon to judge time by. There were not even stars. He was surrounded by a pitch black dome. He may have only been walking for half an hour or so, but he might have been walking for three days and three nights.

Magic God Othinus could control everything. Without exaggeration, she controlled the world itself. If she wanted to, she could have galaxies collide to kill Kamijou Touma. Or she could break the bonds between the particles making up his body and cause his very existence to disperse. If she was the slightest bit dissatisfied with something, she could turn back time, re-lay the rails of fate that led to the future, and create the exact result she wanted.

-------------------

The girl known as a magic god closed her single eye just once.

It looked like she was trying to take her mind off of some truly hideous clown.

An instant later, the slight space between them was filled with tens of thousands or even hundreds of millions of strange explosions.

If the theory of relativity that summarized the relationship between time and space would allow a black hole-like object to exist under certain special circumstances, the extreme compression of space by their frightening clash may have twisted the continuity of time.

That was how extreme this series of attacks was.

A wall of explosions completely filled the space between those two monsters. It showed no sign of ending and seemed to completely ignore the concept of numbers.

What is dumb about it, please elaborate when you know you are wrong cant come up with an argument, what I said is correct, Goku is faster stronger and more durable

common sense says he wins

I dont feel bad about stating facts and feats

you should feel bad about posting novel statements that basically have no feats to show and yes those things are listed on the wiki :)

In this case goku has been written to be universal++++ by those standards and wins with even more ease

Ok... Now stick with me for a second here....

You have two characters...

Character A is Faster and stronger then Character B

Character B can choose the outcome of the match and how it plays out.

who wins?

Ok I will play your game

Character A is faster stronger and more durable (as you say yourself) than Character B can even think or process and dies literally instantaneously as the fight starts

then how does it play out?

who wins?

Character B gets to choose the outcome from before,during and after the match friend.

Who wins?

I don't know anything about Othinus, never read whatever she(?) is from. However, for this power to control outcomes of events, how long does it take Othinus to use this power? We know that Goku is fast enough with Kaio-Ken to move faster than a time stop, so it has to be extremely fast.

Ok first off I need to ask.... Moving faster then a time stop? How is that quantifiable? are we certain time actually Stopped or was it just slowed to an extreme amount from the observers perspective.

Othinus Is from To aru series (AKA a Certain magical index, A certain Scientific railgun ect.)

magic God Othinus is the creator of the "World" (Universe) the story takes place in.

just to clear any confusion At one point in time she is weakened (her magic works 50% of the time everytime) her feats are planet+

(At her best) her Magic is 100% effective (This takes in account every possible reality) and she is basically nigh omnipotent in her world.

She can Control Everything in her World, Time,reality, Past events, current events, future events, ect.

n the end, Kamijou Touma’s battle was the exact same thing.

Magic God Othinus could control everything. Without exaggeration, she controlled the world itself. If she wanted to, she could have galaxies collide to kill Kamijou Touma. Or she could break the bonds between the particles making up his body and cause his very existence to disperse. If she was the slightest bit dissatisfied with something, she could turn back time, re-lay the rails of fate that led to the future, and create the exact result she wanted.

also even If somehow she dies she should be able to Resurrect herself so...

Does a character who is basically nigh omnipotent need speed feats? that is silly.

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#46 Posted by kurokoxyz789 (73 posts) - - Show Bio

goku was actually stopped when Hit improved his time stop again........

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#47 Posted by Agent9149 (3626 posts) - - Show Bio
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#48 Posted by Thekillerklok (9402 posts) - - Show Bio

@thekillerklok: You're wasting your breathe.

I know but Randomsid is generally reasonable and worthy of a reply.

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#49 Edited by RandomSid82 (9864 posts) - - Show Bio

@thekillerklok said:
@randomsid82 said:
@thekillerklok said:
@houseshm said:
@thekillerklok said:
@houseshm said:
@thekillerklok said:

@houseshm:

controlling time/fate/outcomes means nothing if your too slow to react and even think before your killed

hit can stop time completely yet goku is still able to hit him and hit is alot more durable than othinus who could get killed by one punch

goku blitzes with ease and one shots

This statement is dumb and you should feel bad.

this is copy pasted from the same wiki which I got the stats from and some starting saying it sucks, cherry pick at its finest lol

Nah I don't even bother with that crappy wiki here have the full verse.

if it wasn't for copyright I would post the entire novel for you...

Kamijou tried to deny Othinus’s words in an attempt to look away from the hopeless situation, but Othinus’s reply was one of disinterest.

“These small fights are such a pain. I think I’ll just end the world."

Immediately afterwards, everything in the world was truly and seriously destroyed.

He had never been so far from understanding this eyepatch-wearing girl.

In that sense, she seemed further than the ends of the earth.

“This isn’t Sargasso. You carried me somewhere else while I was unconscious. That’s the truth of what happened! After all! Um… After all!! Anything else would be a major problem!!”

“Why do you think the world revolves around your convenience?”

“Then what happened to Sargasso!? What happened to Tokyo Bay!?”

“Does it look like any of it remains?”

“Then what happened to the people there!? What happened to Index!? Or Misaka!? Or Lessar and Birdway!? A-and not just them! What about all the people living in Tokyo!?”

“Why are you talking about this on the tiny scale of Tokyo Bay? What I destroyed is not contained to just the small planet known as Earth.”

Time had passed. By the time Kamijou realized that, he could not remember how long he had been walking. There was no sun or moon to judge time by. There were not even stars. He was surrounded by a pitch black dome. He may have only been walking for half an hour or so, but he might have been walking for three days and three nights.

Magic God Othinus could control everything. Without exaggeration, she controlled the world itself. If she wanted to, she could have galaxies collide to kill Kamijou Touma. Or she could break the bonds between the particles making up his body and cause his very existence to disperse. If she was the slightest bit dissatisfied with something, she could turn back time, re-lay the rails of fate that led to the future, and create the exact result she wanted.

-------------------

The girl known as a magic god closed her single eye just once.

It looked like she was trying to take her mind off of some truly hideous clown.

An instant later, the slight space between them was filled with tens of thousands or even hundreds of millions of strange explosions.

If the theory of relativity that summarized the relationship between time and space would allow a black hole-like object to exist under certain special circumstances, the extreme compression of space by their frightening clash may have twisted the continuity of time.

That was how extreme this series of attacks was.

A wall of explosions completely filled the space between those two monsters. It showed no sign of ending and seemed to completely ignore the concept of numbers.

What is dumb about it, please elaborate when you know you are wrong cant come up with an argument, what I said is correct, Goku is faster stronger and more durable

common sense says he wins

I dont feel bad about stating facts and feats

you should feel bad about posting novel statements that basically have no feats to show and yes those things are listed on the wiki :)

In this case goku has been written to be universal++++ by those standards and wins with even more ease

Ok... Now stick with me for a second here....

You have two characters...

Character A is Faster and stronger then Character B

Character B can choose the outcome of the match and how it plays out.

who wins?

Ok I will play your game

Character A is faster stronger and more durable (as you say yourself) than Character B can even think or process and dies literally instantaneously as the fight starts

then how does it play out?

who wins?

Character B gets to choose the outcome from before,during and after the match friend.

Who wins?

I don't know anything about Othinus, never read whatever she(?) is from. However, for this power to control outcomes of events, how long does it take Othinus to use this power? We know that Goku is fast enough with Kaio-Ken to move faster than a time stop, so it has to be extremely fast.

Ok first off I need to ask.... Moving faster then a time stop? How is that quantifiable? are we certain time actually Stopped or was it just slowed to an extreme amount from the observers perspective.
It was actually stopped according to the narrators, the person that used the move, the gods watching the fight and Goku himself. In order to move through it you would have to be able to move faster than light, quite a bit faster than light.

Othinus Is from To aru series (AKA a Certain magical index, A certain Scientific railgun ect.)

magic God Othinus is the creator of the "World" (Universe) the story takes place in.

just to clear any confusion At one point in time she is weakened (her magic works 50% of the time everytime) her feats are planet+

(At her best) her Magic is 100% effective (This takes in account every possible reality) and she is basically nigh omnipotent in her world.

She can Control Everything in her World, Time,reality, Past events, current events, future events, ect.

Ok, I didn't really ask for any of that, I asked how fast she can use those powers.

n the end, Kamijou Touma’s battle was the exact same thing.

Magic God Othinus could control everything. Without exaggeration, she controlled the world itself. If she wanted to, she could have galaxies collide to kill Kamijou Touma. Or she could break the bonds between the particles making up his body and cause his very existence to disperse. If she was the slightest bit dissatisfied with something, she could turn back time, re-lay the rails of fate that led to the future, and create the exact result she wanted.

also even If somehow she dies she should be able to Resurrect herself so...

Does a character who is basically nigh omnipotent need speed feats? that is silly.

Yes, they do. If they have never used their powers at anywhere even close to faster than light speeds, and they don't have the durability to suggest they could survive a hit from a character that moves far far faster than them, then they are going to die before they can use their powers. That's why I asked how fast she uses her powers. Now, if she does have feats suggesting she can survive hits from him, it's a different story.

I will say this though, if she controls past and future events, I suppose she could change it after the fact. But I wouldn't really call that winning as she would still have lost the first time. But again, this all depends on her not having the durability feats to survive hits from Goku.

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controlling time/fate/outcomes means nothing if your too slow to react and even think before your killed

hit can stop time completely yet goku is still able to hit him and hit is alot more durable than othinus who could get killed by one punch

goku blitzes with ease and one shots

This statement is dumb and you should feel bad.

this is copy pasted from the same wiki which I got the stats from and some starting saying it sucks, cherry pick at its finest lol

Nah I don't even bother with that crappy wiki here have the full verse.

if it wasn't for copyright I would post the entire novel for you...

Kamijou tried to deny Othinus’s words in an attempt to look away from the hopeless situation, but Othinus’s reply was one of disinterest.

“These small fights are such a pain. I think I’ll just end the world."

Immediately afterwards, everything in the world was truly and seriously destroyed.

He had never been so far from understanding this eyepatch-wearing girl.

In that sense, she seemed further than the ends of the earth.

“This isn’t Sargasso. You carried me somewhere else while I was unconscious. That’s the truth of what happened! After all! Um… After all!! Anything else would be a major problem!!”

“Why do you think the world revolves around your convenience?”

“Then what happened to Sargasso!? What happened to Tokyo Bay!?”

“Does it look like any of it remains?”

“Then what happened to the people there!? What happened to Index!? Or Misaka!? Or Lessar and Birdway!? A-and not just them! What about all the people living in Tokyo!?”

“Why are you talking about this on the tiny scale of Tokyo Bay? What I destroyed is not contained to just the small planet known as Earth.”

Time had passed. By the time Kamijou realized that, he could not remember how long he had been walking. There was no sun or moon to judge time by. There were not even stars. He was surrounded by a pitch black dome. He may have only been walking for half an hour or so, but he might have been walking for three days and three nights.

Magic God Othinus could control everything. Without exaggeration, she controlled the world itself. If she wanted to, she could have galaxies collide to kill Kamijou Touma. Or she could break the bonds between the particles making up his body and cause his very existence to disperse. If she was the slightest bit dissatisfied with something, she could turn back time, re-lay the rails of fate that led to the future, and create the exact result she wanted.

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The girl known as a magic god closed her single eye just once.

It looked like she was trying to take her mind off of some truly hideous clown.

An instant later, the slight space between them was filled with tens of thousands or even hundreds of millions of strange explosions.

If the theory of relativity that summarized the relationship between time and space would allow a black hole-like object to exist under certain special circumstances, the extreme compression of space by their frightening clash may have twisted the continuity of time.

That was how extreme this series of attacks was.

A wall of explosions completely filled the space between those two monsters. It showed no sign of ending and seemed to completely ignore the concept of numbers.

What is dumb about it, please elaborate when you know you are wrong cant come up with an argument, what I said is correct, Goku is faster stronger and more durable

common sense says he wins

I dont feel bad about stating facts and feats

you should feel bad about posting novel statements that basically have no feats to show and yes those things are listed on the wiki :)

In this case goku has been written to be universal++++ by those standards and wins with even more ease

Ok... Now stick with me for a second here....

You have two characters...

Character A is Faster and stronger then Character B

Character B can choose the outcome of the match and how it plays out.

who wins?

Ok I will play your game

Character A is faster stronger and more durable (as you say yourself) than Character B can even think or process and dies literally instantaneously as the fight starts

then how does it play out?

who wins?

Character B gets to choose the outcome from before,during and after the match friend.

Who wins?

I don't know anything about Othinus, never read whatever she(?) is from. However, for this power to control outcomes of events, how long does it take Othinus to use this power? We know that Goku is fast enough with Kaio-Ken to move faster than a time stop, so it has to be extremely fast.

Ok first off I need to ask.... Moving faster then a time stop? How is that quantifiable? are we certain time actually Stopped or was it just slowed to an extreme amount from the observers perspective.
It was actually stopped according to the narrators, the person that used the move, the gods watching the fight and Goku himself. In order to move through it you would have to be able to move faster than light, quite a bit faster than light.

Othinus Is from To aru series (AKA a Certain magical index, A certain Scientific railgun ect.)

magic God Othinus is the creator of the "World" (Universe) the story takes place in.

just to clear any confusion At one point in time she is weakened (her magic works 50% of the time everytime) her feats are planet+

(At her best) her Magic is 100% effective (This takes in account every possible reality) and she is basically nigh omnipotent in her world.

She can Control Everything in her World, Time,reality, Past events, current events, future events, ect.

Ok, I didn't really ask for any of that, I asked how fast she can use those powers.

n the end, Kamijou Touma’s battle was the exact same thing.

Magic God Othinus could control everything. Without exaggeration, she controlled the world itself. If she wanted to, she could have galaxies collide to kill Kamijou Touma. Or she could break the bonds between the particles making up his body and cause his very existence to disperse. If she was the slightest bit dissatisfied with something, she could turn back time, re-lay the rails of fate that led to the future, and create the exact result she wanted.

also even If somehow she dies she should be able to Resurrect herself so...

Does a character who is basically nigh omnipotent need speed feats? that is silly.

Yes, they do. If they have never used their powers at anywhere even close to faster than light speeds, and they don't have the durability to suggest they could survive a hit from a character that moves far far faster than them, then they are going to die before they can use their powers. That's why I asked how fast she uses her powers. Now, if she does have feats suggesting she can survive hits from him, it's a different story.

I will say this though, if she controls past and future events, I suppose she could change it after the fact. But I wouldn't really call that winning as she would still have lost the first time. But again, this all depends on her not having the durability feats to survive hits from Goku.

Let me put an end to the silly speed blitz argument

Ask yourself would a in character goku instantly murder a little girl without so much as saying a word?