@strongarm: Your saying DS wins?Othinus became a universe++ buster in NT Volume 9
Then Othinus clearly stomps Dark Schneider, he has no Universe busting feats. He has no galaxy busting feats either...I'd put "DS" around planetary to solar system level based on his actual feats, contrary to what his fans proclaim he can do.
@princearagorn1: Yeah,DS is a giant man-whore,but Othinus have self defense and she give DS a universal level kick to the nuts.I don't take Baltoro that seriously.
@strongarm: Your saying DS wins?Othinus became a universe++ buster in NT Volume 9
Then Othinus clearly stomps Dark Schneider, he has no Universe busting feats. He has no galaxy busting feats either...I'd put "DS" around planetary to solar system level based on his actual feats, contrary to what his fans proclaim he can do.
Flagged for trolling.
The hypocrisy here is hilarious. You accept claims about 1 character you know nothing about and yet ignore feats DS has.
H-i-l-a-r-i-o-u-s.
At least you now have let everyone on the forums know your credibility is 0.
@princearagorn1: So end in sex then?Baltoro try to prove Hao Asakura with the Great Spirit cannot beat Superman.I could see Baltoro try to disprove Othinus in the future.
@fallschirmjager: I'd suggest ignoring him. He cannot distinguish between different arcs, nor read the OP, sometimes misses the title, and comments on things without reading them. It's not trolling, simply high level ignorance. (level 99)
@fallschirmjager: I'd suggest ignoring him. He cannot distinguish between different arcs, nor read the OP, sometimes misses the title, and comments on things without reading them. It's not trolling, simply high level ignorance. (level 99)
@princearagorn1: So end in sex then?Baltoro try to prove Hao Asakura with the Great Spirit cannot beat Superman.I could see Baltoro try to disprove Othinus in the future.
Seriously. If you have not read Bastard read it.
DS has sex with every female, except the main chick (because she's the typical anime girl firecracker personality). And frankly its only a matter of time.
Every other female has had sex with him. Including several who have tried to kill him. Consensual sex or not, it always happens.
@princearagorn1: So end in sex then?Baltoro try to prove Hao Asakura with the Great Spirit cannot beat Superman.I could see Baltoro try to disprove Othinus in the future.
Nah. He does that to every character he has no knowledge on. Somehow throwing a star > galaxy busting lolol.
Either way, I don't know anything about othinus. Where is she from?
@princearagorn1: Othinus goal was to become a Majin,but Othinus could only reach 50% of a Majin. Othinus had become a Majin when she gotten the Lance of Gungnir.In the latest volume,she recreate the universe and she gotten bore and destroy it.She repeat it again and again until Touma Kamijou willpower is broken.Othinus is from the To Aru Majutsu No Index series.To Aru is underrated and it does have some damn powerful/hax characters.
@fallschirmjager: I started reading Bastard recently and I do like it so.It was small joke about DS might not having sex
@princearagorn1: So end in sex then?Baltoro try to prove Hao Asakura with the Great Spirit cannot beat Superman.I could see Baltoro try to disprove Othinus in the future.
Nah. He does that to every character he has no knowledge on. Somehow throwing a star > galaxy busting lolol.
Either way, I don't know anything about othinus. Where is she from?
I'm glad you remember the time I proved SA Supes has feats above Dark Schneider in that other thread. I also showed how overrated Saint Seiya characters were...such as Hades being afraid of the sun. You just admitted you have no idea about Othinus but if she is a Universal character...well when has "DS" done anything universal? I won't bust out the scans of a human ninja lobbing off his arm but I haven't seen anything showing he is above planetary or solar system level. Surtur who Odin hangs around with is actually a galaxy buster, here's what destroying a galaxy looks like for reference.
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There's a BIG difference between having an attack called "Galaxy Explosion" and what I'm showing above.
@princearagorn1: So end in sex then?Baltoro try to prove Hao Asakura with the Great Spirit cannot beat Superman.I could see Baltoro try to disprove Othinus in the future.
Ya know something, maybe I will start questioning Othinus's powers when she goes against a legitimate threat like Galactus or Odin. "DS" is just overhyped so much I can't possibly argue for him, the guy might be solar system level but even that is sketchy, but his fans seem to think because his attacks have cool names that makes him Universal kind of like how the manga guys overrate Saint Seiya.
@princearagorn1: So end in sex then?Baltoro try to prove Hao Asakura with the Great Spirit cannot beat Superman.I could see Baltoro try to disprove Othinus in the future.
Nah. He does that to every character he has no knowledge on. Somehow throwing a star > galaxy busting lolol.
Either way, I don't know anything about othinus. Where is she from?
I'm glad you remember the time I proved SA Supes has feats above Dark Schneider in that other thread. @homicidalmaniac said:
the time you proved you fail to see the picture in the OP and can't read the version mentioned in the OP, you mean. And that you think star level feats are bigger than galaxy level feats. Still laughing at that.
I also showed how overrated Saint Seiya characters were...such as Hades being afraid of the sun.
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There's a BIG difference between having an attack called "Galaxy Explosion" and what I'm showing above.
You showed you can't read properly, you mean.
Or that you haven't read a single thing on Saint seiya, you mean.
You just admitted you have no idea about Othinus but if she is a Universal character...well when has "DS" done anything universal?
Releasing the equivalent of big bang is not universal, being unscathed by the explosion, and continuing to fight isn't universal? Oh, I forgot. You think universal explosion means destroying a planet and star. lol.
I won't bust out the scans of a human ninja lobbing off his arm but I haven't seen anything showing he is above planetary or solar system level. Surtur who Odin hangs around with is actually a galaxy buster, here's what destroying a galaxy looks like for reference.
Oh you will. Or won't. It doesn't matter, because What you fail to do as usual is actually reading the OP and the version mentioned.
There's a BIG difference between having an attack called "Galaxy Explosion" and what I'm showing above.
There is even bigger difference that actually having read the said material, and randomly spouting nonsense.
More so, you completely disregard the databook statement provided to you. No one cares what your opinion is when you're going against the author.
Ya know something, maybe I will start questioning Othinus's powers when she goes against a legitimate threat like Galactus or Odin. "DS" is just overhyped so much I can't possibly argue for him, the guy might be solar system level but even that is sketchy, but his fans seem to think because his attacks have cool names that makes him Universal kind of like how the manga guys overrate Saint Seiya.
You don't know a single thing about him. Or almost all the characters you think are overrated or underrated. Yusuke. Seiya. DS. Heck, you didn't know SA superman failed to beat a human boxer, and was KO'd. Keep ignoring the context, keep ignoring the versions, and keep yelling 'overhyped!' 'underrated!'.
No one beside you bases opinions on things like tattoos and colors of helmets to my knowledge. That is a rather retarded way of basing a characters knowledge, but well, I don't have to criticize you for your way of thinking. Keep at it.
You have already proven that you don't know what you're talking about, except maybe one or two manga like bleach, but nothing from vast amount of comics and manga. Only thing you keep doing is throwing around extreme low-end or PIS scans, and flat out nonsense.
You know what? I don't have to engage you every time. Continue in your quest to fail. Let me help you in it, in fact. Here are some low end showings for a few characters. Consider them a gift, and throw them on every thread you find:
1 Flash is slower than peak humans!
This renders every speed feat he has ever done void! Go on a spree and spread this on flash threads
2. Dark Schneider:
DS gets hurt by a magic sword of a ninja! This feat renders all his other feats void! It's obviously applicable to every single one of his forms ever shown, and it's completely unnecessary to read what actually happens in the next chapter!
Don't have to tell you to go on a posting spree. You already have.
3. Silver age Superman:
SA superman can't beat a human boxer! This obviously neutralizes every other showing he has, and should apply even when he is at full power in every single battle thread ever!
Feel free to post on every SA S thread. Oh no, go ahead and post it in every superman thread ever. Versions don't matter, right?
4. Spectre can't beat a human in suit!!
Obviously, this weakling can't have universal feats? Spectre << peak human. So let's bump all his threads and post this.
5. Saint Seiya:
Hades, incarnation of darkness, is afraid of the sun!! This disproves everything they have said, shown, done, and is far more important than the official databook statements by the author himself!! Let's show everyone!
6. Silver Surfer:
This should disprove everything else saying that SS is stronger than a human being. This guy can't be what they call 'herald level' at all! He has no right facing the comic and manga legends! Let's spread the knowledge to every single SS thread there is!
7.
Galactus << Freaking spiderman!!!!!!! He should obviously lose to planet busters like terax and Frieza!!!! Post this on Galactus threads ASAP!
9. Thanos:
Oh. Thanos can't even kill a squirrel? Why are people putting him against darkseid then? Must spread this knowledge to everyone...
I could go on, but this should keep you busy for a while. Why don't you go around, post these scans. They prove how extremely overrated each of these characters are by people who have actually read comics. (or manga for the matter)
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I could explain every single one of them, and actually have for a few, but since you don't bother about versions, context, plot, OP, or anything at all, just post low showings... feel free to use them in future. Or no time like present. Now that I have already added DS's low showing here, your work is done. leave the thread alone, and Let people who actually read stuff debate.
@princearagorn1: "SCREW CONTEXT(and logic)!!!! Who cares if Wally West punched a Kryptonian level being into orbit!!!! He'd break his hand trying to punch a brick wall!!!!"
@princearagorn1: "SCREW CONTEXT(and logic)!!!! Who cares if Wally West punched a Kryptonian level being into orbit!!!! He'd break his hand trying to punch a brick wall!!!!"
-baltoro, 2014
Yeah...it may look like I've been lowballing characters like "DS" and the Saint Seiya-verse but I assure everything I've said can be backed with scans. I'm not here for a scan war but apparently princearagorn1 is. Listen @princearagorn1...you seem like an intelligent guy with a strong working knowledge of the manga characters. You should work on your game with the comic characters too, especially the DC powerhouses and Silver Age feats, but you definitely got a lot going for you manga wise. I just don't get why you think I'm purposely lowballing these manga characters though? I have no hidden motives or bias toward DC or Marvel comics.
Let's take that scan with Seiya Hades for example. Don't you think being afraid of the Sun is a BIG liability when he's pitted against characters that will use that against him? For instance, SA Supes can just plow him through the star at light speed. I just don't buy that these are Universal level characters unless they have the on-panel feats...
Now back to the topic, we got "DS" here, a being who isn't proven to be Universal level or even galaxy level, but I'm supposed to buy he can take on Othinus? Well I've done a little fact checking and found that Othinus has in fact created and destroyed entire Universes. The best ability I've seen from Dark Schneider is Dispel Bound, that ultimate shield defense spell...but how does he shield against Universal destruction? So "DS" loses to this Othinus girl.
I admit it though, I'm a DC guy, I'm a Marvel guy...so heck, I've proven Schneider can't even take DC's Monarch because Dispel Bound didn't have protection against "Quantum Power". My point is there are a lot of characters that can beat "DS" without being Universal threats. Perhaps putting him up against Othinus was a ploy to give "DS" more credibility. I'm just asking you to come down a little bit on the "DS" hype...just meet me in the middle man.
you seem like an intelligent guy with a strong working knowledge of the manga characters. You should work on your game with the comic characters too, especially the DC powerhouses and Silver Age feats, but you definitely got a lot going for you manga wise.
Funnily enough, I've read over six times more comics than I've read manga. Been reading comics since I was a kid, started reading manga few years ago. I prefer manga debates because the scans are more readily available, and there are far lesser amount of inconsistencies generally. And they are well explained most of the times.
I can post scans of thor fighting mftl and reacting in microseconds, at the same time someone can post scans of him failing to catch mongoose and admitting to be slower than wolverine.
I just don't get why you think I'm purposely lowballing these manga characters though? I have no hidden motives or bias toward DC or Marvel comics.
Because you're posting scans that have no meaning without actually having read the source material, ignoring what the scans mean, and posting it without even looking at the versions.
Posted scan of first- second arc yusuke for EOS version, without knowing that He started out human, and reached mountain++ level by end of chapter black saga. sensui shattered a huge sized mountain cliff with a single punch. Yusuke stomped him badly. And EOS yusuke was several times stronger.
Posted a scan of Human dark schneider, from the third chapter, right after he had just returned from death and at the weakest point in series, and insisted that he was dying of blood loss from getting his arm lopped off, and had only two spells left. What you were ignorant of was that he was joking. In the next chapters, he literally rips his own heart out and crushes it, continues to fight when over 2/3rd of his body was destroyed, and later regenerates back from being reduced to just a head for the lulz. Anyway, what was even more ignorant was, none of the showings mattered at all. The version in OP was a completely different one. It was Majin Dark Schneider. He undergoes a severe transformation, increasing his durability and reflexes, and offense/defense power, too.
Posted a scan of Hades fearing sun in a Gold cloth Seiya debate. Not knowing anything about apollo, or what the saints do in general.
You may or may not be biased towards DC or Marvel, may or may not hate manga. Or maybe just hate things you have zero knowledge on. What you're currently doing is posting completely irrelevant and useless low showings without knowing anything about the said character. That is direct trolling, whether you're aware of it or not.
Let's take that scan with Seiya Hades for example. Don't you think being afraid of the Sun is a BIG liability when he's pitted against characters that will use that against him? For instance, SA Supes can just plow him through the star at light speed.
If you had read lost canvas series in question, 'sun' in saint seiya is powered by apollo. Who is the God of sun in greek myths, and arguably the strongest character in the entire verse throughout it's five series. It holds a very special place. Which is why Gold saints, each repeatedly said to be galaxy+, died when replicating power of the 'sun'. It doesn't equate to any random star.
Funny thing is, you are arguing 'if Sun>Hades, how could anyone else be galaxy busters'? you're forgetting what happened to superman after centuries of absorbing radiation from the sun...
I just don't buy that these are Universal level characters unless they have the on-panel feats...
It doesn't matter if you 'buy' it or not. We're not simply showing scans and speculating. Or posting calcs for the matter. I posted a guidebook entry which says it has the power of a galactic explosion. It's author's opinion directly.
He calls it galaxian explosion, he's said to be able to destroy galaxies on several occasions, and the official guidebook says the attack has power of galactic explosion.
Against which, we have.. your opinion and a few completely out of context scans.
That isn't disproving. That is failing miserably to downplay a character.
Now back to the topic, we got "DS" here, a being who isn't proven to be Universal level or even galaxy level, but I'm supposed to buy he can take on Othinus? Well I've done a little fact checking and found that Othinus has in fact created and destroyed entire Universes. The best ability I've seen from Dark Schneider is Dispel Bound, that ultimate shield defense spell...but how does he shield against Universal destruction? So "DS" loses to this Othinus girl.
You've done a little fact checking? How? You're saying you read all sixty two chapters in the series in a day and now know enough about it? lol.
You have shown how helpful this 'fact checking' is in the past. Call it 'looking at random scans and forming an adamant opinion to be shared on all relevant threads like an expert.' Don't even include the word 'fact' in it.
I admit it though, I'm a DC guy, I'm a Marvel guy...so heck, I've proven Schneider can't even take DC's Monarch because Dispel Bound didn't have protection against "Quantum Power".
1. See? You didn't read the series, or even the scan in question again.
Dispel bound are countless magical forcefields that are used to ban all forms of attacks. The writer isn't going to give a list of what every one of those forcefields can do. Which is why he showed high end and low end things like:
Anti-creation. Punch-block.
Reality-Bending. Herbicide.
Intertia-Control. Error-Detect.
It even protects against extremely random things like 'instant victory', and 'dive'. Heck, it doesn't just block/defend. It also has other uses like 'treasure-detect', and 'blessing'. There is a reason it's called one of the haxest defense in fiction lol. I don't see any particular reason it won't protect against quantum manipulation.
If it only protected against what was shown on-panel.. It doesn't show 'fire'. or 'lightening. There are attacks from normal humans in Bastardverse that can heat targets to millions of degrees. Schneider himself has shown such attacks. Plus the ten wise men have seriously high level tech to replicate the effect. Dispel bound of high level angels/demons still made the fight completely hopeless. Hardly going to happen if it protected against only what was shown.. And it'd also mean other countless forcefields didn't protect against anything. lol.
It is impossible to hit the person inside without going through every single scan of dispel bound.
2. Even assuming Schneider simply deactivates the dispel bound (which isn't possible actually, it's an auto-shield and takes the destruction head on... monarch has no way to destroy Mind and Soul. Unlike those who were present when superman ripped his armor, Destroying physical body of a seraph class being isn't doing anything to them. Their mind and soul exist in separate dimensions. Hell, he has fought a hell lord when he didn't even have a body. Fight between two such beings isn't for destroying the body. It is for destroying the eternal atoms.
You'd know this if you read the series.
3. Again, you are completely dodging around the big bang part. I've posted this before, you ignored it, and I'm posting it one last time. (I have a feeling of saying this before, too)
Alcatraz Space: Space created by God to trap the hell lords and Satan in.
Black Abyss: Gate of hell. It connects our universe to Alcatraz space, physically exists within a super black hole, which destroys all matter due to it's gravitational field, traps even time.
What will it take for DS to escape from God's Prison?
The equivalent of energy manipulated in creation of the universe. It has to be released in an instant to shatter the black abyss / wall of hell, meant to keep the hell lords inside.
DS and uriel escape from the black abyss while fighting:
From Defender of Faith:
good enough for you?
If you still want further confirmation of whether it was destroyed or not, it was confirmed by michael, the archangel. Currently weaker than DS, but possibly stronger in executioner mode / when her body of light is unsealed. Hopefully in the next volume to be released.
More importantly:
Every single one of the archangels, DS, Uriel, and all the hell lords were present point blank where the explosion took place. Not a single one of them was even bleeding. Their durability is crazy powerful. Want further confirmation of how strong shields of seraph level beings are?
In the black abyss destruction, you'll see some people surrounded by bubble-like things. They are not bubbles. Those people are human/elvish warriors, the bubbles are Dark Schneider's shields protecting them. (Not just from the explosion. Hell in Bastardverse is far too dense for a normal physical body to survive in it.)
The shields held fast through the hell arcs, and protected them through the big bang level explosion..
They were in place till the humans were back in our world:
A little like monitor's shields protecting a sapling, right?
just that DS fought all the while protecting every human with him, and the explosion wasn't a specified chain reaction..
My point is there are a lot of characters that can beat "DS" without being Universal threats.
Yes, your opinion is most valid considering you're very knowledgeable on the character. Oh wait. Bastard!! manga doesn't consist of one page posted by klandikar on animevice. And besides, you seem to decide the outcome of battle depending on who has better tattoos and helmets.
Perhaps putting him up against Othinus was a ploy to give "DS" more credibility.
See? you don't even read any other comments in a thread. Even when you don't know either of characters, and go on to make baseless claims, which are consistently wrong as usual.
@princearagorn1: Othinus is from the To Aru Majutsu No Index series.To Aru is underrated and it does have some damn powerful/hax characters.
He created the thread because he felp TAMNI series was underrated, and putting them against some established and respected characters might gain them some respect in return.
I'm just asking you to come down a little bit on the "DS" hype...just meet me in the middle man.
And why is that? You have no knowledge of the said character at all. You've repeatedly proved that, but nothing else lol.
It's fine to have differing opinions on a character's power levels. I slightly disagree with DS's level on both sides with other people. @reikai and @fallschirmjager: rate him a little higher up the ladder than I do, while @uberhikai 's opinion is more or less matches with mine, but I think he rates DS a little lower than me. I have no problem with their opinions because they have actually read the material, and can provide consistent arguments backed by scans if I ask them to.
And both, when you haven't read the manga in question. Zero knowledge, just baseless opinions and hatings. More so, You think people choose their opinions based on attack names and tattoos like you seem to do.
This is nothing more than sheer trolling. There is no reason to meet you in the middle, when you haven't read one bit of the source material. If anyone with trustworthy opinion, (you know, someone who actually reads what they talk about, and not base vote on things like 'legend', and 'tribal tattoos' as you like to call them), asks me to meet them in the middle, I will be more than happy to debate.
Just take the low showings I've given and go happily posting them everywhere. From now on, as you can 'prove' with 'facts' on every thread:
Dark Schneider < ninja with magic sword. Flash <peak humans. SA superman < human boxer. Spectre <peak human. Thanos <squirrel. All Saints < sun. Silver surfer < Peak humans. Galactus < spiderman level characters.
Enjoy!
This might seem harsh and aggressive to you, but we had similar discussions before. And not just once. Each time you've feigned ignorance and continued to bring up same things on other threads. What makes it worse is you haven't read the source material -at all-
And I'm almost sure you'll continue to say the same things after this discussion too.
But check his previous posts.. he has been downplaying for a while now, even after repeatedly getting corrected. What's more annoying is he hasn't read any of the series in question. >:(
•Character with mftl+ speed scaling, possibly infinite speed with statements, versus, from what I get, ftl at best;
•Character with layers and layers of resistance to fate and causality manipulation/conceptual erasure, with conceptual regeneration, and with attacks on a conceptual level with his standard moves, amplified through his spells that range from space-time/reality warping, to sub atomic manipulation, from BFR to straight up annihilation of the soul on multiple levels...against character I saw no resistance against most of the former;
•Character who'd regen even if you erase his being on multiple higher planes of existence vs character that can't negate his regen in any way whatsoever;
I ask, how can Othinus resist a single Judas Priest? She also cannot blitz him in any way shape or form from what I understand.
Higher dimensional shenenigans is only thing you can argue for Othinus as an advantage from what I understand, but I don't buy it tbh, without that, Darsh just kinda haxstomps.
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