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#1 Posted by Frocharocha (6251 posts) - - Show Bio

Title says all. Who would win?

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#2 Posted by JcDeJesus24 (7 posts) - - Show Bio

Orochi is stated by murata and one to be DRAGON+ , so he is on par/same level with awakened garou and boros.
He can mimic all of stances on the spot. Plus murata said that even melzalgald+geryuganshoop+groribas HAS NO CHANCE OF DEFEATING OROCHI. that supports the first sentence. He is also the monster king, above Elder centipede whom saitama used serious punch to kill, and above rover who has insane durability. and above GS and gouketsu. he was stated several times to be the strongest being/monster on earth.

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#3 Posted by LUFFYISKING (209 posts) - - Show Bio

Luffy solos the verse.

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#4 Posted by Gaoron (8226 posts) - - Show Bio

Maybe not the verse but he does solo MA

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#5 Posted by LUFFYISKING (209 posts) - - Show Bio

@gaoron: the verse gets soloed. Luffy is the speed of light and can bust continents

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#6 Edited by AlexTheBoss (16938 posts) - - Show Bio

@gaoron said:

Maybe not the verse but he does solo MA

No he doesn't. Beginning of series Genos could already do this, and he would lose to a lot of them 1v1 at this point.

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Genos fighting elder centipede

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A much stronger version of Genos has problems with a cocroach

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Orochi eats him

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Speed

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And I don't know how the giant compares to the monster association but his feats far outdue Luffy's.

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#7 Posted by Narutogen13 (211 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump

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#8 Posted by vsw (2871 posts) - - Show Bio

From what I've heard luffy is city level so he should get stomped here

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#9 Posted by Gaoron (8226 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss: Genos destroyed that part of a mountain with a blast while against EC he kicked him, not sure what one has to do with each other.

Second fight he again didn't use his blasts at all and pretty sure it was before EC fight not after.

Rest of the feats are nothing Luffy can't deal with, him breaking Doffy webs and punching him breaking a town below him or one shotting giant kraken under water are better. I agree Marugori surpasses Luffy but like you said there is no way to compare him to Orochi since he was not a part of MA and by feats Marugori is 2nd strongest monster in the verse only weaker than Boros in the manga.

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#10 Posted by AlexTheBoss (16938 posts) - - Show Bio

@gaoron:

Genos destroyed that part of a mountain with a blast while against EC he kicked him, not sure what one has to do with each other.

What? He destroyed that part of the mountain in chapter 9 against the house of evolution.

Second fight he again didn't use his blasts at all and pretty sure it was before EC fight not after.

It doesn't matter if he did or didn't use it. BOS Genos<<<<Genos that fought elder centipede<<<<<<<<entire monster association.

Rest of the feats are nothing Luffy can't deal with, him breaking Doffy webs and punching him breaking a town below him or one shotting giant kraken under water are better.

I agree Luffy would be S class hero/dragon level, but my point is he isn't taking them all on at once. He will use gear four, knock some of them around, then run out of time and be killed.

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#11 Posted by TheWatcherKing (18240 posts) - - Show Bio

the verse gets soloed. Luffy is the speed of light and can bust continents

Lmao

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#12 Posted by FlashingSabre (3822 posts) - - Show Bio

@vsw: Luffy is mountain level using Boundman.

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#13 Posted by SrlangEhen (39 posts) - - Show Bio

@gaoron:

Genos destroyed that part of a mountain with a blast while against EC he kicked him, not sure what one has to do with each other.

What? He destroyed that part of the mountain in chapter 9 against the house of evolution.

Second fight he again didn't use his blasts at all and pretty sure it was before EC fight not after.

It doesn't matter if he did or didn't use it. BOS Genos<<<<Genos that fought elder centipede<<<<<<<<entire monster association.

Rest of the feats are nothing Luffy can't deal with, him breaking Doffy webs and punching him breaking a town below him or one shotting giant kraken under water are better.

I agree Luffy would be S class hero/dragon level, but my point is he isn't taking them all on at once. He will use gear four, knock some of them around, then run out of time and be killed.

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the verse gets soloed. Luffy is the speed of light and can bust continents

Lmao

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#14 Edited by LUFFYISKING (209 posts) - - Show Bio
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#15 Posted by FlashingSabre (3822 posts) - - Show Bio
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#16 Posted by LUFFYISKING (209 posts) - - Show Bio

@flashingsabre: Stop denying facts, calling current boundman Luffy mountain level is a massive downplay. Luffy has been island level since east blue and is currently planet to possibly star level.

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#17 Posted by Fabricolage (1883 posts) - - Show Bio
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#18 Posted by ALMIGHTY (3269 posts) - - Show Bio

Too be perfectly clear Luffy is Island level and MHS+++ that being said Orochi by scailing is clearly above that.

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#19 Posted by Evil-Incarnate (6992 posts) - - Show Bio

Luffy...loses

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#20 Posted by AlexTheBoss (16938 posts) - - Show Bio

@almighty: Maybe really small island level. His best feat is only small mountain level tbh.

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#21 Posted by LUFFYISKING (209 posts) - - Show Bio
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#22 Edited by ALMIGHTY (3269 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss: His potency should be Island level easily he already was mountain level via G3 which doflamingo was easily able to overpower with his basic attacks, Doffy’s strongest attack God Thread which was city wide in scale easily should have Island level potency more eveident in the shockwave from their clash that spanned beyond the Island, Luffy’s King Kong gun after clashing and having its force weakened by the God thread still managed to hit Doglamingo with enough force that DOFFY’S BODY which is maybe 250 pounds at most ? FOLDED A CITY. With all that context it’s safe to assume Boundman is Island level.

Also Luffy has gotten stronger since, his Haki bloomed post doflamingo fight, post Cracker fight, post enrage army beat down, post big Mom beat down and post Katakuri fight, his armaments should be leagues more potent than it even was in the Doffy fight making Boundman even more destructive

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#23 Posted by ALMIGHTY (3269 posts) - - Show Bio

But again with all that ^ being said Orochi by scailing should be well above even that, if he’s truly in Boros and Monster Garou’s ballpark as stated he’s comfortably Multi Continental - Continental at the very least in potency. And Relativistic in combat speed

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#24 Posted by silvanus (895 posts) - - Show Bio

Apparently, Orochi has more tricks up his sleeve. So I'll wait.

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#25 Posted by AlexTheBoss (16938 posts) - - Show Bio

@luffyisking: That is only town/small mountain level destruction and energy beams aren't all light speed.

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#26 Posted by AlexTheBoss (16938 posts) - - Show Bio

@almighty: Maybe small island level in potency. Dresrosa isn't a big island to begin with. I doubt Luffy has the power to destroy a mountain the size of Everest yet. At least not in one shot.

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#27 Edited by ALMIGHTY (3269 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss: I think with a King Kong gun it’s plausible taking into the context the force in which it sent Doffy flying despite its momentum being stunted.

Luffy was pretty confident that he could bust Noah which is Island sized with simply his G3 Elphant Gattling, he didn’t even think G4 was necessary I’m certain with a King Kong Gun he could’ve busted Noah in one shot especially current Luffy.

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#28 Posted by Jko1 (3000 posts) - - Show Bio

@almighty: Rule number one in debating-never try to apply real world phycis to a world that doesn't follow phycis.

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#29 Posted by AlexTheBoss (16938 posts) - - Show Bio

@almighty: The Noah was made of wood and even with his elephant Gatling he only destroyed a fraction of it. And his Kong gun didn't directly hit, but the damage wasn't even city level. A direct strike probably could have destroyed he mountain the castle was on.

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#30 Edited by ALMIGHTY (3269 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss: The wood clearly wasn’t normal wood normal wood and was extremely durable or else it would have been crushed under the thousands of meters of water pressure, he Elephant Gattling destroyed half of Noah actually and only because he was stopped, the point is he was confident with G3 alone he could bust Noah so he most certainly with G4 could’ve.

It was a King Kong gun not a Kong Gun, and the damage wasn’t city level ? Did you not see the aftermath ? Or the shockwave created from the initial clash ? Again the damage that was caused was still caused even tho 1. It’s moment and force was hindered from the struggle with the God Thread. 2. The fact that the damage caused wasn’t even from a direct hit but from the force which Doflamingo’s body was sent crashing into the city. A direct blow with no hinderence from a King Kong gun being only Mountain level is a massive undersell especially when we’ve seen Mountain level feats from G3 (Noah, Grizzly Magnum, Clashing with Shadow Amped Moria who was splitting Thriller Bark, Hell even El Thor against Don Chinjao was paralleled too when Garp cracked his head.)

https://youtu.be/xJ0JwVPPm5M

Look at the shockwave from the initial clash at 1:20 I think it’s evident that if at the very least King Kong Gun is Island level in potency, although there’s so much pointing too it being Island level in DC as well.

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#31 Posted by AlexTheBoss (16938 posts) - - Show Bio

@almighty:

he Elephant Gattling destroyed half of Noah actually and only because he was stopped, the point is he was confident with G3 alone he could bust Noah so he most certainly with G4 could’ve.

Half destroyed? It wasn't even 1 quarter destroyed.

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It was a King Kong gun not a Kong Gun, and the damage wasn’t city level ? Did you not see the aftermath ?

Clearly the damage didn't span the city. It destroyed multiple city blocks, however the fact that it completely folded them and it wasn't a direct hit could bump it up to city level.

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Look at the shockwave from the initial clash at 1:20 I think it’s evident that if at the very least King Kong Gun is Island level in potency, although there’s so much pointing too it being Island level in DC as well.

Ya, that shockwave was impressive, but that didn't actually happen in the manga.

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#32 Edited by FlashingSabre (3822 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss: You have to take into account that the damage wasn't caused by Luffy's punch; it was from Doffy's body hitting the ground. The punch itself would obviously be much stronger, hence Luffy being mountain level.

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#33 Posted by AlexTheBoss (16938 posts) - - Show Bio

@flashingsabre: Ya, I already said a direct hit could possibly be mountain level. I was saying Luffy isn't island level.

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#34 Edited by Gaoron (8226 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss: I don't know how you can scale Genos blast to anyone in MA. Orochi in recent chaoter and noone in MA before shown blasts with that fire power and Genos never used blasts against them to even see if they can tank them, not saying they can't, EC and Orochi probably can tank it but I don't believe they can replicate that fire power themselves.

Ye time limit is a problem. With unlimited G4 I can see him soloing it tho.

King Kong Gun is easily mountain level. Before Doffy cracked the town below him he went through his spider web aswell. Same spider web casually bounced back Luffy's G3 Elephant Gun which sent back and one shotted small mountain sized Kraken while under water. So not only King Kong Gun had enough force to punch Doffy through web that could no sold around small mountain strikes it had still enough force to crack town after that. Luffy can't level Mount Everest but he should be able to destroy standard sized mountains which I can't say for Orochi.

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#35 Posted by seastone98 (4641 posts) - - Show Bio
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@alextheboss: dont 4get dat dressrosa had an entire port underneath it making luffys feat less impressive seeing how a lot of dressrosa was hallow anyways however i would still put it at city lvl but certainly not country

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#36 Posted by AlexTheBoss (16938 posts) - - Show Bio

@gaoron:

I don't know how you can scale Genos blast to anyone in MA. Orochi in recent chaoter and noone in MA before shown blasts with that fire power

Considering base form Kabuto literally blew back Genos' fire attack at him, I would have a hard time believing BOS Genos could even damage Orochi.

and Genos never used blasts against them to even see if they can tank them, not saying they can't, EC and Orochi probably can tank it but I don't believe they can replicate that fire power themselves.

Genos did use blasts against EC, I'm not sure what you are talking about. He even used his blast while inside of EC and it still didn't work.

Ye time limit is a problem. With unlimited G4 I can see him soloing it tho.

Possibly due to his speed.

King Kong Gun is easily mountain level. Before Doffy cracked the town below him he went through his spider web aswell. Same spider web casually bounced back Luffy's G3 Elephant Gun which sent back and one shotted small mountain sized Kraken while under water. So not only King Kong Gun had enough force to punch Doffy through web that could no sold around small mountain strikes it had still enough force to crack town after that. Luffy can't level Mount Everest but he should be able to destroy standard sized mountains which I can't say for Orochi.

Luffy could possibly destroy a small to mid sized mountain.

The Kracken is estimated to be about 300m, which is the smallest a mountain can possibly be, not to mention he is made of flesh, and knocking him out isn't the same as destroying it. For the feat to even be considered small mountain level he would have to completely destroy the Kraken's body and even then since he is made of flesh that feat being small mountain level would still be questionable. So I would say gear 3 elephant gun is around hill level, and gear 4 king kong gun around small to mid mountain level at most.

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#39 Edited by Raziel2014 (1248 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss said:

@gaoron:

I don't know how you can scale Genos blast to anyone in MA. Orochi in recent chaoter and noone in MA before shown blasts with that fire power

Considering base form Kabuto literally blew back Genos' fire attack at him, I would have a hard time believing BOS Genos could even damage Orochi.

and Genos never used blasts against them to even see if they can tank them, not saying they can't, EC and Orochi probably can tank it but I don't believe they can replicate that fire power themselves.

Genos did use blasts against EC, I'm not sure what you are talking about. He even used his blast while inside of EC and it still didn't work.

Ye time limit is a problem. With unlimited G4 I can see him soloing it tho.

Possibly due to his speed.

King Kong Gun is easily mountain level. Before Doffy cracked the town below him he went through his spider web aswell. Same spider web casually bounced back Luffy's G3 Elephant Gun which sent back and one shotted small mountain sized Kraken while under water. So not only King Kong Gun had enough force to punch Doffy through web that could no sold around small mountain strikes it had still enough force to crack town after that. Luffy can't level Mount Everest but he should be able to destroy standard sized mountains which I can't say for Orochi.

Luffy could possibly destroy a small to mid sized mountain.

The Kracken is estimated to be about 300m, which is the smallest a mountain can possibly be, not to mention he is made of flesh, and knocking him out isn't the same as destroying it. For the feat to even be considered small mountain level he would have to completely destroy the Kraken's body and even then since he is made of flesh that feat being small mountain level would still be questionable. So I would say gear 3 elephant gun is around hill level, and gear 4 king kong gun around small to mid mountain level at most.

Kraken Body >>>>>>>> Rocks. A Mountain is just a big rock, Quality is very low you cant compare even a east Sea Monster to mere Rocks,

cant be comparing something so crap like Stones and rocks to Giant Sea Creatures, mountain is just Size it has no density nor Quality of Durability, even Alabasta Arc MR 1 had much higher Durability than a mere mountain with Steel DF, more so with characters having Haki increasing their Defense past that of Steel, a mere rock to even a fodder in One piece could easily be crumble into dust

Luffy with one Punch made Doflamingo Split what looks to be a Large Town or small city in half, calculate that the force was reduce by hitting Doflamingo, so if luffy were to directly hit the ground the Island would be Shattered so LUffy With Gear 4 is indeed Island level from his feats against Doffy, even with LOw balling Luffy the lowest i seen him go is City level by noobs

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#40 Posted by AlexTheBoss (16938 posts) - - Show Bio

@raziel2014:

Kraken Body >>>>>>>> Rocks. A Mountain is just a big rock, Quality is very low you cant compare even a east Sea Monster to mere Rocks,

Possibly, but even so Luffy didn't "bust" the sea monster, he just hurt it.

cant be comparing something so crap like Stones and rocks to Giant Sea Creatures, mountain is just Size it has no density nor Quality of Durability, even Alabasta Arc MR 1 had much higher Durability than a mere mountain with Steel DF, more so with characters having Haki increasing their Defense past that of Steel, a mere rock to even a fodder in One piece could easily be crumble into dust

If rocks just crumble to dust how come Luffy didn't just vaporize the Noah?

Luffy with one Punch made Doflamingo Split what looks to be a Large Town or small city in half,

A large town or small city? It was a couple city blocks to small town size in area.

calculate that the force was reduce by hitting Doflamingo, so if luffy were to directly hit the ground the Island would be Shattered so LUffy With Gear 4 is indeed Island level from his feats against Doffy, even with LOw balling Luffy the lowest i seen him go is City level by noobs

You have completely no idea what you are talking about and are just making up these calculations based off of nothing in your head.

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#41 Posted by Turr (1138 posts) - - Show Bio

Orochi kills him.

He has adaptability so he will adapt perfectly to counter luffy's fighting style, he has genius level learning abilities, he will actually LEARN Luffy's attacks and will be able to mimick them by just looking. On top of that he has above S class speed, so he's at least MHS, dragon+ destructive abilities so he is at least multi city buster, to continental, and so much more.

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#42 Posted by Cosmic_Armor (115 posts) - - Show Bio

@gaoron: the verse gets soloed. Luffy is the speed of light and can bust continents

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#43 Posted by Cosmic_Armor (115 posts) - - Show Bio

Orochi eat him like meat

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#44 Edited by iUseMyCajonas (4196 posts) - - Show Bio

Orochi wins.

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#45 Posted by geeman2 (2006 posts) - - Show Bio

idk Orochi doesn't have many feats. Probably Luffy.

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#46 Posted by Lan_Fan (12681 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think those feats are enough to beat Luffy to be honest.

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#47 Edited by SkySanji (4582 posts) - - Show Bio

Those feats aren't enough to beat Luffy.

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#48 Posted by MatiasPinto (30 posts) - - Show Bio

Orochi eats him

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#49 Posted by AlexTheBoss (16938 posts) - - Show Bio

@geeman2 said:

idk Orochi doesn't have many feats. Probably Luffy.

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I don't think those feats are enough to beat Luffy to be honest.

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Those feats aren't enough to beat Luffy.

Well Beefcake's feat is better than anything Luffy has, so it depends if you consider Orochi stronger than Beefcake or not.

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