Orion
vs
Apocolypse
Who wins
@Dextersinister said:orion stomps, with ease
this.Orion is just far to powerful for Apoc.
give a good fight to high evolutionary!What are Apocalypse's best feats? Cause, he's going to need em against Orion.
@demifiendninja said:
@WillPayton said:give a good fight to high evolutionary! but that was a lot of pisWhat are Apocalypse's best feats? Cause, he's going to need em against Orion.
Granted, I'm that that familiar with Apocalypse, but he's an X-Men villain. If he could beat Orion, he's have taken out the X-Men long ago. =)
Apocalypse ain't hay.
If Apocalypse is wrote right, he would easily win this. When he was dying he was able to take out storm, beast, quick silver and more. In the "Messiah Complex" a fully strong Apocalypse defeated Stryfe with ease! In "The Twelve" he was able to knock jean out who had some of the Phoneix powers, charles x, and was able to drain Cyclopse optic blast with ease! Apocalypse has went toe to toe with the High Evol, and whooped the hulk with ease.
@darklord_apoc said:
If Apocalypse is wrote right, he would easily win this. When he was dying he was able to take out storm, beast, quick silver and more. In the "Messiah Complex" a fully strong Apocalypse defeated Stryfe with ease! In "The Twelve" he was able to knock jean out who had some of the Phoneix powers, charles x, and was able to drain Cyclopse optic blast with ease! Apocalypse has went toe to toe with the High Evol, and whooped the hulk with ease.
Orion has killed Darkseid 3 times :/ not to mention single handedly wiped out every worrior on apokalips.
Do you have any of the issues that he has done that in? I know he has took down D.S but he either used something against him or had help. Or D.S allowed him to. But do you actually think his strength is a match to the hulk? And Apoc fought the hulk when the hulk was at full power. What defenses does Orion have against Apoc's psy offensives? If we are going by strength then Apoc is up there with the most physical hero's and villains. But this is when Apoc is written correctly though.
@darklord_apoc said:
Do you have any of the issues that he has done that in? I know he has took down D.S but he either used something against him or had help. Or D.S allowed him to. But do you actually think his strength is a match to the hulk? And Apoc fought the hulk when the hulk was at full power. What defenses does Orion have against Apoc's psy offensives? If we are going by strength then Apoc is up there with the most physical hero's and villains. But this is when Apoc is written correctly though.
When did Apocalypse fight the Hulk?
@darklord_apoc: The Motherbox can make it's carrier immune to mind control and most New Gods have high end protection against mind control. A New God called Sleaze could effortlessly control Superman but was unable to control Scott Free but Scott said he could prevent anyone below Darkseid, Orion is a lot more powerful than Scott Free.
@darklord_apoc said:
Do you have any of the issues that he has done that in? I know he has took down D.S but he either used something against him or had help. Or D.S allowed him to. But do you actually think his strength is a match to the hulk? And Apoc fought the hulk when the hulk was at full power. What defenses does Orion have against Apoc's psy offensives? If we are going by strength then Apoc is up there with the most physical hero's and villains. But this is when Apoc is written correctly though.
Both times I recall Orion killing DS (the end of Countdown and DotNG...both somehow cannon at the time) it went down the same way. Orion beat Darkseid to death with his big harry knuckles. No help. No special weapons.
Orion's beat Superman down before. He's waded through the armies of Apokolips in order to confront his father. You average Apokoliption has vast superhuman strength and speed with the elite being able able to go toe to toe with Superman and Wonder Woman.
Even in his most powerful, most well written form, Apocalypse doesn't stand a chance.
Even so, in the "Hunger" when galactus went to drain D.S world, the silver surfer was able to best orion in battle. When cable fought the silver surfer, in a whole other comic issue, he was able to fight the surfer while holding up an island (i believe) so even if orion had mental defenses against Apoc, his strength would not be enough to fight him. Apoc was able to tame and control the hulk with ease. He was able to make hulk even more stronger then before with his own tech, so if Apoc can do that for the hulk, then I have no doubt he could not for himself. And the issue where he vs the hulk was in "The Incredible Hulk Sept. Issue 456" Also Apoc was able to make sinster, and I dont even think that orion could take him on in a fight because what could he do even against sinister? Also Apoc had created a being called Harbringer, who was able to take on the avengers and cable. Apoc is way more powerful then he is.
You assume that D.S is more stronger then Apoc, which there is no proof of this. So even though Orion has beat D.S in battle it does not mean he could Apoc. As i recall in that issue D.S was over confident and D.S has also killed Orion also. Can orion whoop all of the avengers and cable at once? Can he withstand a sound wave from black bolt, and cyclopse optic beams at the sametime? Not to mention help from jean grey. Do you think orion can take the hulk down without breaking a sweat? Well Apoc did all that so I doubt orion can get him. If he is written right. I do admit its all on the writers when it comes to comics, therefore sometimes hard to debate, but when Apoc is wrote right, orion is no match for him.
@XiiX said:
Orion still splatters him.
Yo, I know orion wins and all, but does he beat apocalypse physically or using his Astro Harness/Force. cus Apoc at his strongest was regenerating all over the place and had all kinds of powers and im not an expert on Orion so I don't know how he'd beat Apocalypse, I know Apoc can't beat him though...
@Ancient_0f_Days: In my opinion he'd resort to the Astro-Harness first(being he does so in character from the get go quite often), which would certainly do the trick. I personally tend to go by the average showings of characters, as opposed to looking to their highest/lowest showings as the deciding factor(s).
That being said, and I'm no expert on Apocalypse, I've never seen anything to suggest from him(on average) that he could tank multiple blows from someone who can at the very least trade them with Superman.
@XiiX: didn't Orion one shot Superman with the Astro Harness or was that PIS,
cus Superman also blocked them before that I think...
@Ancient_0f_Days:Indeed. But let's be honest here, almost no one on a planetary level will out and out dominate Superman in every encounter. The writers just wouldn't let it happen. With that being said, from what I gather, Orion has about as consistent a history versus The Man Of Steel as you're likely to find(except maybe Martian Manhunter's) to suggest he'd walk away with the majority of wins under his belt(particularly with The Astro-Harness).
Not to mention, in one of their more even keeled encounters(a continuation of your own scan), Superman's blows seem to do nothing but further enrage Orion
And as you could see in your own scan, a shot from Superman does nothing but make him smile.
@XiiX: Yeah, I figured as much, I was just thinking that Apocalypse's vast powerset would mean something, but the astro harness and the astro force in general would likely one shot him before he can do anything. I hope Orion returns in Nu52 as a complete and absolute beast of badassness like he was before.
Orion ftw. Though Apocalypse is a great character Marvel doesn't give him his due when it comes to power levels.
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