Optimus Prime vs The Fallen (Read)

Optimus Prime

vs...

The Fallen

Settings & Conditions

• Morals off.
• Optimus is not allowed Jetfire's parts as an upgrade.
• The Fallen can use his Telekinetic and Teleportation powers as much as he wants.
• Optimus can use whatever weaponry he used in the first two Movies.
• TF1 and TF2 feats only.

Who wins?

@alextheboss

The Fallen.

The Stongest person Optimus fought was Sentinal Prime and Optimus still lost.

Also The Fallen was supposed to be the most power Prime so if Optimus lost to Sentinal he definitely would loose to Fallen

Probably the fallen. Right when Optimus was revived the Fallen one shot him knocked back all the autobots and took the matrix like nothing, though Optimus could of been weakened at that point.

The Fallen would take this, Optimus was only getting the upperhand against him because he fused with Jetfire's parts.

Bump.

@starsprime3:

Fallen was scared to fight Optimus. I don't think everyone's looking at this clearly.

As far as Optimus vs Sentinel, I have a few problems with it. One being that Optimus was pressing Sentinel at the start of the fight so hard that Sentinel had to ask for a Decepticon airstrike to blow Optimus away.

On top of that, Optimus's biggest problem with Sentinel was the big shield covering Sentinel's entire body. Optimus is overall the more aggressive fighter and the more skilled in actual combat from what I can tell. Sentinel just had the equipment advantage.

And even further, I always found it strange how Optimus's blades had always been fixed to his arms in literally every instance before this, but then they suddenly decided for this movie (I think on the street before this it wasn't even) that his blades were going to be hand-held so that Sentinel was able to disarm him. Always thought that was kinda wack.

However, Optimus does not have an answer for the Fallen's telekinesis. Though the Fallen was never shown to use that ability in actual combat. He only ever uses it on tanks and debris outside of the games. Even then, when Optimus actually fought him the Fallen didn't even try to defend himself with it even as he was dying, so I call that to question.

Without telekinesis, the Fallen is at a distinct equipment advantage. All he has is his spear. He's never used his mini-space-bridge tech in combat either, except to open a fight. Optimus has guns capable of putting Megatron on his back, and heated blades capable of slicing through cybertronian metal like nothing. Even though he CAN use them, he simply doesn't. Saying he will is out of character.

The Fallen has a size advantage on Optimus, but that alone isn't doing much. That didn't stop Optimus from climbing Blackout and ripping his head apart, and it certainly didn't save Infernicus from getting torn to pieces. Not to mention the mauling on Grimlock. (I know 2 of those 3 feats are from later movies, but those speak to Optimus's skill/the Logic of the movies, not specific to any of Optimus's forms or power)

The Fallen had the potential to be the greatest villain the Bay-Films had to offer, and a real threat, even a 2-parter like Thanos, but he just wasn't utilized well. Optimus has consistently been shown as a ruthless, brutal powerhouse apart from the ONE fight with Megatron in the middle of the city in TF1. As soon as they were alone in TF2 Optimus tore Megatron to pieces. They've really been hammering in the fact that no-one but another Prime stands a chance against another in a fair battle. If the Fallen didn't think Optimus had the chance to end him, he would have come out of hiding literal thousands of years earlier.

Bump. I think Optimus takes this high-extreme diff. Even without Jetfire’s parts, Prime would’ve still won. The Fallen was afraid of getting H2H with Prime for most of the movie.

@deactivated-64969837cbeff: because the fallen was holding back.

Prime, for multiple reasons.

Guidebook puts Optimus at 10 for ROTF, when Fallen only had a 5+. This is base Optimus as that’s who’s depicted in the photo. If you want to argue Fallen oneshot him, he didn’t. Prime was still recovering and had the Matrix pulled from him. Fallen only had the upper hand when Prime was still getting up.

Additionally, he was afraid because “Only a Prime can defeat him” (which makes 0 sense since Jetfire stated he was stronger than his brothers but i believe it’s stated Prime is the strongest descendent since the primes etc.)

As for the Allspark argument, Megatron fused with it in the game so there’s more to it than Fallen surpassing it. And it wouldn’t matter since Megatron could fuse with it anyway.

His fight with Sentinal was in his favor until the air strike, and Sentinal was stated the better fighter of the two.

TK is the only problem. But Fallen used it very few times in actual combat

Prime would win if morals are off. His skills in close quarters at that point is pretty much unrivalled.

Most of Prime's defeats are attributed to being distracted or wanting to protect others. Without such hinderances, he is an absolute beast.

It's a close fight, though. The Fallen's martial abilities are comparable and he has Telekinesis on his side.

Fallen slaughters.

There’s a reason fallen waited until prime was dead.

Pre Retcon multiversal singularity Fallen would win but Optimus Prime would defeat rotf Fallen.

Optimus Prime says "It's Primin time" before tearing The Fallen's face off

This. The Fallen made it abundantly clear he wasn't going anywhere near Earth until Prime was dead. If it had been him vs Prime in that forest even without Jetfire parts he would've got dismantled in seconds still. Only Sentinel, Prime Megatron and Lockdown are taking Optimus.

@ninjawarrior268: tbh Optimus would still has a chance because Optimus has also some multiversal+ feats like alternaty and maybe IDW

Still fallen curbstomp because if the fallen didnt holding back ,fallen could destroy earth with neg diff and would throw optimus into non existence