Optimus Prime (Bayverse) vs Iron man (MCU)

Tony destroys Optimus.

Tony easily. Prime is city block at best

@mr-yes: Optimus blinks that fodder with his pinky going at a snails rate of speed.

@chris2kzombieki: lol Optimus ripped through the fallen and the fallen tanked a shot from jetfires gun which obliterated the star harvesters barrel 💀

Tony hurt thanos, who could tank hits from Carol who cut a black hole in half.

I can play the wank game too.

Iron Man

@chris2kzombieki: except it's not wank lol and how exactly? Because it is that high or it doesn't suit bayverse? You had barely saw any feats in the first film they looked like they were barely city block,

but seeing as this was the second film and prime was going against the two leaders after revival (during final battle mind you) narratively makes sense to drop the true power scaling.

It would be "wank" if they were shown consistently scaling less than that feat, then that would be an outlier but it's not so there's no reason to assume they're any lower. Just because they don't showcase these feats again does not mean they don't scale to it. It's only contradictory if it's the former.

- the barrel absorbs the star, though it's durability would only be relative to its AP and it was just the barrel (which still gets Optimus anywhere between star level seeing as he ripped through fallen who tanked two of these shots in a row?

Also can you send proof of that "black hole" feat?

@thehhydra: You should just go back to YouTube.

xcept it's not wank lol and how exactly? Because it is that high or it doesn't suit bayverse? You had barely saw any feats in the first film they looked like they were barely city block,

Because they've never shown feats on that level. The one, and the only feat that gets them to star is with the Star Harvester. I've watched the movies front and back, but unlike you, I know how to power scale. It's inconsistent. You, yourself, went on a whole post about how BB movie characters are weaker, yet, their statement is better. You show an anti feat, you seem to at least know what consistency is.

but seeing as this was the second film and prime was going against the two leaders after revival (during final battle mind you) narratively makes sense to drop the true power scaling.

Megatron had been fodder since the beginning to base Optimus. Other than that you need to work on your typing skills.

It would be "wank" if they were shown consistently scaling less than that feat, then that would be an outlier but it's not so there's no reason to assume they're any lower. Just because they don't showcase these feats again does not mean they don't scale to it. It's only contradictory if it's the former.

They do exactly that. They are consistently not at that level. They don't scale to the harvester. Period. They need to showcase these feats consistently to scale. Because, guess what, they get hurt by far less. The TF are city level, probably higher using comic tie ins with Starscream and Shockwave.

- the barrel absorbs the star, though it's durability would only be relative to its AP and it was just the barrel (which still gets Optimus anywhere between star level seeing as he ripped through fallen who tanked two of these shots in a row?

Again, inconsistent unless you would like to show Fallen tanking a direct star destruction. You obviously can't because it's never happened. Inconsistent.

Also can you send proof of that "black hole" feat?

Black Hole feat

I can spout even more bs, in fact @rajjarsalt can do it for me. He has ends upon ends of this crap.

But unlike the Bayformers, they perform these feats on more than one occasion.

@chris2kzombieki: Sure I'll "fix" my grammar as if you didn't already understand it 😂

"because they've never shown feats on that level" you're acting as if revenge of the fallen wasn't the second installment in the franchise, that was pretty early to explain the power system.

...just because they show only one or two cases of power doesn't mean they don't scale to it 💀 what is this logic

The only time your argument would apply, is if they got damaged by something scaling clearly lower in potency than the harvester, but they have not. Even if they have, it's relative

But if they have proven a feat, and they don't get much damaged by anything lower, it's common sense that they'd still scale to that previous feat

Also the difference between our arguments is you're admitting your scales are bullshit, you find ZERO flaws in my argument

@thehhydra: Yikes, you really suck at power scaling.

Thetes one feat that puts them at “Star Level”. Everything else is way below that. They don’t scale to that one feat because it’s an outlier.

They…have been harmed by weaker things than the harvester though? Unless you want to say an RPG is stronger than the star harvester. Sentinal was knocked back an bleed even though he block it in the final battle. Ratchet got beat tf out of just by cemetery wind, unless you want to claim those weapons>> Star Harvester. Even Optimus was pierced by mortar shells. His truck mode was pierced by shotgun shells.

There are lots of flaws in your argument. At least the MCU feats occur multiple times, unlike your one star harvester feat.

Goofy scaling will not stand to feats!

Iron Man at 0% power withstood a supernova

@chris2kzombieki: it barley knocked the wind out of sentinel, you see as he ran away multiple explosives bounced off

2, ratchet obviously doesn't scale to the harvester, so those weapons wouldn't be stronger than the harvester

Even then cemetery wind didn't have normal weapons, you forgot about the scraps of dead cybertronians that the groups started using after dotm

It's common sense, do you seriously think a normal rocket could hurt ratchet when ratchet literally tanked re-entry landing on earth back in the first film...

And when was Optimus pierced by human shells??? Thought that was lockdowns doing lol which was why he was evasive

@chris2kzombieki: star harvester isn't the only feat because there is Optimus surviving casual quintessa (who at a minimum is large country - continental) although this feat isn't as high, it's beyond your "multi city block 🤓" scales and plus from a scan I saw on someone's video galvatron was powered by a tiny black hole. Although latter is not my scale

@rajjarsalt: I'm not debating you and two your friend over here said those scales of urs were wank and considering you two seem to sure know about those scales a lot I'll take that word for it : )

@rajjarsalt: Damn Raj! You had him running lmfao

@thehhydra: Just matching your vibe. I consider it wank, as I do your feat. So you admit your feat is wank as well right?

Also Quintessa is not country lmfao. Not even close. Optimus, if you look at him being fixed by Cade, removes a shell before asking Cade why he’s willing to help him. Lockdown as well was pierced by a normal hook. If you look at his encounter with Evasion Optimus

@chris2kzombieki: Nothing had me running lol, we are discussing this, and two we don't have the same vibes at all. Not even close

I never said it was wank (because it's not) you admitted your scale is wank and you also admitted to the harvester being that level.

Plus, quintessa moved cybertron into orbit casually and cybertron is about the size of the moon,

and can you re-send scans of lockdown being pierced and that shell being removed from prime?

Iron man stomp

@thehhydra: Bro what?

Just look up the AOE Cade and Optimus, then look up Evasion Mode zoptimus vs Lockdown, not that hard.

Quintessa didn’t move Cybertron physically, nor with the powers she used on Prime. She teleported it. Humans like Cade were in range of her powers and it did nothing to him.

I called the Star Level Optimus wank; because it is. It’s inconsistent. At least with the MCU, their crazy feats happen more than once. Tony stomps.

@chris2kzombieki: Just because a similar feat only happened once doesn't make the characters scale inconsistent, the only time it's an outlier is if the character is shown consistently scaling much lower then said feat.

Other weapons damaging said character doesn't make said weapons scale higher than the object the character destroyed, as the weapons would only be barely relative

also, you already admitted to your feats being wank unlike my feat

@thehhydra: You have terrible reading comprehension.

We have no idea if the star harvester even survives. They rebuild it on every planet. It harvest the energy from suns, etc. but that’s it. It’s way to vague. And yes, even if the Transformers weaknesses were exploited, it shouldn’t elicit them being hurt by it if they scale to Star level. They are consistently City Level. Keep coping my friend. You have no feats to draw from

@chris2kzombieki: Lol now I'm actually starting to think you're trolling here. My reasons -

The energy is absorbed into the harvester through the barrel

and nothing implies it can't survive it, and two what??? If it didn't survive how would they harvest the energon... the barrel literally guides the beam

The narrative openly tells you it would 💀

and two that hook only got stuck in lockdowns parts, it didn't damage him and as you know transformers have complicated messes of parts

Even if you wanna lowball Optimus to barely city block, not even a hook would damage any of them, so that's already false. That shell that damaged prime was specially manufactured.

@thehhydra: They put the Allspark in there, it would absorb the Energon because the Allspark was finite in Energon.

There’s no evidence that the shotgun that pierced Prime was specially manufactured. Even if it was, Prime still should get hurt by it if he was Star Level.

You have literally nothing. Relying on one shot headcannon scaling that isn’t consistent.

@chris2kzombieki: they didn't put the all spark, they used the matrix and the barrel guides the shot and so the harvester then.absorbs it into the machine and is converted into energon

Iron Man stomps

@thehhydra: No, the Matrix powered it, but they used the Harvesters to refuel the Allspark. It didn’t have infinite recourses.

@chris2kzombieki: I just agreed that the matrix powered it tho 😭

@chris2kzombieki: no clue what you mean by a shot gun shell, are you talking about when cade first saw Optimus in the old theater and when he pulled the door he saw shells roll on the ground?

@chris2kzombieki: The all spark is contradictory so I don't use it. But in bayverse films it's only finite. What's your point on bringing the all spark up

@thehhydra: When Prime asks “Why are you willing to help me?” He’s pulling out a shotgun shell

@chris2kzombieki: I just don't use comics with the movies because they're never consistent even the guy who wrote the fallen relic backstory thing nearly spilled his drink when he found out that comic was no longer canon to the movie but we can use tie in feats ig, but I'm using all feats from bayverse movies instead to be on the safe side

Optimus might beat Ironman 1 or two but nanotechnology tony curbs any transformer

Regular Ironman< Optimus Prime<nanotech Ironman

Iron man should win in somewhat close fight.

Depends on the version

@chris2kzombieki: ok I found the scene already and ye it was a shotgun shell, no clue what it proves though

@chris2kzombieki: this can be an error. Even if we scale prime to city block - multi city block a shotgun shell logically cannot hurt him, also note that the only time it's okay to call something an inconsistent error is if the majority of other things are consistent (example primes durability even at a lowball and the fact bullets are literally shown to be nothing to the transformers and a shotgun wouldn't upscale them drastically)

Iron Man stomps

Optimus prime wins