-CAV--MCU Thanos (Eri123) vs DCEU JL w/out Superman (Death4Bunnies)

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Wonder Woman

A amazonian demi godess.

• Mach + burst speed.
• Armor that resists Kryptonains and New Gods alike
• Most importantlya Kryptonain cutting sword.
• (if the swords ability to cut Thanos is contested I will explain why chopping off DD's hand is impressive)

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Aquaman

The king of Atlantis.

• Massive Strength.
• Armor that resists Steppenwolfs axe
• Most importantly a new god piercing Trident-current trident is upgraded above that.
• (if the tridents ability to pierce Thanos is contested I will explain why stabbing Steppenwolf is impressive)

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Cyborg

A half man half alien super machine.

• A plasma Cannoon that raggdolls
• Flight.
• And incredible speed, strength and durability....a oft overlook feat.... Cyborg busting strait through the armor of the Knightcrawler.

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Flash

A inexperienced speedster.

• Dodges Superman's punches. He's also faster than the rest of the JL to the point even Diana can not perceive him at all.

• Pushes car and Family (Proof he can push someone as heavy as Thanos)

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The Batman

The tactician.

• a couple words whispered in fighter ear is the difference between a win and a loss

• Smoke allows him to sneak up behind Superman

This team carries not 1 but 2 godly weapons in Wonder Womans Sword and Aquamans trident....both comparable to Thor Odinson's Stormbreaker in feats.

These one shot murder weapons are carried by very fast, highly skilled, strong, durable warriors..

The Flash would be good support, as he his much much faster than Thanos and can surely push him around and off balance.

Cyborg has flight and surprisingly the bullrush style damage output to harm Thanos.

Batman even in his mech suit is no match for Thanos, not even a little bit, but I think Batman provides a essential element to this battle....strategy.

We can compare stats like strength and striking, but what this battle really comes down to is a duel with bladed weapons.

Team JL not only has the speed and numbers, it also has the damage output to oneshot with the godly weapons.

Thanos is facing overwhelming odds here, not only fighting on the ground with Arthur and Diana, but also being tripped up by Flash, ragdolled by a flying Cyborg, and harassed and blinded by Batman.

Im betting he cant win a sword fight with Diana under these conditions.

Wonder Woman

A amazonian demi godess.

Mach + burst speed.

Armor that resists Kryptonains and New Gods alike

Most importantlya Kryptonain cutting sword.

(if the swords ability to cut Thanos is contested I will explain why chopping off DD's hand is impressive)

Impressive but in the bank scene some bullets were moving faster than her.

Her armor has some amazing durability,but Thanos is skilled and will go for the unprotected parts.

The sword can definitely cut Thanos,but cutting his armor is arguable since it no sold Stormbreaker.

Aquaman

The king of Atlantis.

Massive Strength.

Armor that resists Steppenwolfs axe

Most importantly a new god piercing Trident-current trident is upgraded above that.

(if the tridents ability to pierce Thanos is contested I will explain why stabbing Steppenwolf is impressive)

The submarine feat is cool,but an outlier and not consistent with Arthur feats,sure you can argue it's not cause he is more powerful in water but we are not fighting underwater here,and Thor and Hulk strength feats are better that that.

Stepp axe doesn't have impressive piercing feats to make his armor impressive.

I agree that the Trident can cut Thanos,but again like Diana's sword is arguable that it would pierce his armor.

Cyborg

A half man half alien super machine.

A plasma Cannoon that raggdolls

Flight.

And incredible speed, strength and durability....a oft overlook feat.... Cyborg busting strait through the armor of the Knightcrawler.

Thanos has tanked far more powerful attacks than Cyborg's plasma cannons or Knightcrawler armor busting.

Flash

A inexperienced speedster.

Dodges Superman's punches. He's also faster than the rest of the JL to the point even Diana can not perceive him at all.

Pushes car and Family (Proof he can push someone as heavy as Thanos)

It took like 2-3 seconds to push that car.Thanos is not going to wait and let him do that.

The Batman

The tactician.

a couple words whispered in fighter ear is the difference between a win and a loss

Smoke allows him to sneak up behind Superman

I don't think Batman is bringing anything in this battle,he never showed his tactician abilites when fighting Stepp and Thanos isn't going to wait for Bruce to tell the others what to do.

He will sneak up on Thanos and do what exactly,he isn't hurting him.

This team carries not 1 but 2 godly weapons in Wonder Womans Sword and Aquamans trident....both comparable to Thor Odinson's Stormbreaker in feats.

These one shot murder weapons are carried by very fast, highly skilled, strong, durable warriors..

The Flash would be good support, as he his much much faster than Thanos and can surely push him around and off balance.

Cyborg has flight and surprisingly the bullrush style damage output to harm Thanos.

Batman even in his mech suit is no match for Thanos, not even a little bit, but I think Batman provides a essential element to this battle....strategy.

We can compare stats like strength and striking, but what this battle really comes down to is a duel with bladed weapons.

Team JL not only has the speed and numbers, it also has the damage output to oneshot with the godly weapons.

Thanos is facing overwhelming odds here, not only fighting on the ground with Arthur and Diana, but also being tripped up by Flash, ragdolled by a flying Cyborg, and harassed and blinded by Batman.

Im betting he cant win a sword fight with Diana under these conditions.

Thanos in character disarms his enemies or uses their weapons against them like he did with Iron Man nano sword,Stormbreaker,Cap's Mjolnir and Gamora's sword.

Thanos is also skilled and fast enough to not be hit by them.

The Flash isn't the type of guy to charge first in battle,when he does Aquaman and WW would already be dead.

Cyborg isn't harming him at all,he also doesn't go CQC which means Thanos wouldn't have to deal with him when he is fighting Aquaman and WW.

We didn't see any strategy from Batman in the battle against Steppenwolf.And it isn't like Thanos is new to strategy,he has been fighting battles for thousands of years.

I have already explained that Thanos has the speed to keep up with anyone but Flash.Numbers won't be a problem here where only 2 members of the JL are real threats and the JL don't attack at the same time like the MCU trinity.

Takes the Trinity at once,this is Thanos best speed feat.Let's take a look at how fast Cap,Iron Man and Thor are.

----Cap

As I said before can react to a 230m/s grenade launcher.

----Iron Man:

Can react to missiles,a tank shell,he moved his body after the tank shell was close to him.

Iron Man can also react to 3 arrows and shoot them down in point blank.

----Thor:

Can move in Quicksilver perception,in this scene you can even see a bullet moving as fast as Thor or slower than him.This bullet was probably shot from Klaw's mercenaries and not from Widow who wasn't using guns in that fight scene,so the bullet was likely mach 2 and above,considering what guns the mercenaries were using.

Thanos not only was faster than them in H2H but he also reacted to Iron Man's repulsors and Mjolnir in point blank(Mjolnir is fast enough to move in QS perception when thrown by Thor)

You said this is Thanos' best speed feat and id agree.

Problem is every single one of these people are way way slower than my team.

QS can see a bullet in slo motion.....so can Diana..... to a higher degree, and to faster bullets than hand gun bullets and more consistently.

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Hits close range bullets with her bracers / 670 ft/s (205 m/s)---(This is about the speed of of QS's bullets)

Blocks bullets while pacing through No Man's Land, 2 / 878 m/s (2,881 ft/s)

Follows a bullet / 878 m/s (2,881 ft/s)

Dodges modern day rifles / 850-920 m/s (2,788.7-3,018 ft/s)----(this is 3-4 times faster than QS's best bullet reaction feat)

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Impressive but in the bank scene some bullets were moving faster than her.

She blocked all the bullets, why would she need to go as fast as all the bullets to do so...that makes no sense...youd agree she went as fast as some of the bullets right?? And that she did what she needed to do to save the people...Not seeing the anti feat here.

Her is proof that WW not only perceive bullets of a higher speed than Quicksilver can, but actually moves as fast as a bullet.

There is literally no other way Diana could block this unless her arm was moving a comparable speed to the bullet.

Hard numbers clearly over Quicksilvers handgun bullets....let alone Cap, and Tonys much a slower grenade and missile reactions. Dianas bullets are quite literally 3-4 times faster than QS's handgun bullets.

Thor seems to be in slo-motion there right??^^^

Like hes moving but very slowly.

I think its fair to say that Thor would move twice as slow to Diana as he did quicksilver, so if Thanos scales to Thor he'd be moving at least like this^^^ likely much slower.

She just has to show that she can perceive and move in QS speed or above for Thanos to be rendered into Thor like slo motion.

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Flash

It took like 2-3 seconds to push that car.Thanos is not going to wait and let him do that.

Yes Thanos is just going to stand there and let Flash push him......because he is a unmoving statue who cannot hope to do anything about it......Flash pushing the car was just proof that he could push heavy things at speed(there were also humans in that car), Thanos has no choice but be pushed around by flash.

He's faster than JL Superman and not even Diana can perceive him

Performs his push attack in 0.014

The Flash isn't the type of guy to charge first in battle, when he does Aquaman and WW would already be dead.

I think you mean before Flash talked to Batman(see Bats is good to have around...Batman was also calling shoots during the steppenwolf battle even Superman went up to batman and was like "how do I help" Batman was like "buy Cyborg some time")

After his Bat-prep-talk... Flash was signing up for missions like protecting Cyborg while he does his thing("bug duty").

He went from "I just kinda push people then run away" to Decapitating and exploding Parademons

I think its fair to have him push Thanos and run away, and think its odd that you think he will just sit back and watch his friends die in slow motion.

Im glad you agree the sword and trident would put Thanos down.

The sword can definitely cut Thanos,but cutting his armor is arguable since it no sold Stormbreaker.

I think that was a glancing blow at best.

So I still think Dianas sword or Aquamans trident can compromise the the armor.

Aquaman first trident beat Wolfs armor, Orms trident broke that trident, and Aquamans new trident broke Orms trident.

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And Thanos has large gaps in his armor.

How will Diana even think to aim for all that purple...LOL

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As to Cyborg, ive only claimed he can provide knockback, as every energy attack Thanos has took has done.....

Its going to be hard to fight a amazon goddess that much faster than you whist being shot in the face from range.

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Thanos will be hard pressed to put Diana or Aquaman down...

Her armor has some amazing durability,but Thanos is skilled and will go for the unprotected parts

So Dianas pretty safe, and it dont think you beat her blunt force durability relating too kryptonain strikes.

Stepp axe doesn't have impressive piercing feats to make his armor impressive

Oh but it does.....It killed a Green Lantern , and cut right into Cyborg.....And both Diana and Aquman got hit full on by it(not a glancing blow like Thor... full swings)......

None of that Diana durability really matters tho, because Thanos is laughably slower than her.

Even Thor and his mighty Mjolnir were rendered to slow motion by Quick Silver a character quantifiably slower than Diana..a character who proved that high fps bullets will outright kill him.

By feats or by scaling Diana is just too fast for Thanos, and is a comparable swordsman.

Then add Aquaman to the CQC mix.

With Cyborg taking pot shots.

And Batmans leadership.

And lastly Flash speed hax....Like I know you said he'd prolly sit this out, and that would be nice for you...but Flash is in this CAV and his character development through out the movie clearly shows that he'd at least push Thanos around and off balance.

Team 10/10... this is not a gauntlet, this is a team effort with at least 2 heroes that will see and react to Thanos as if he was in slo motion, and one of those speedy characters has a godly sword.

You said this is Thanos' best speed feat and id agree.

Problem is every single one of these people are way way slower than my team.

QS can see a bullet in slo motion.....so can Diana..... to a higher degree, and to faster bullets than hand gun bullets and more consistently.

Just no,that is wrong.

The only people with amazing combat speed in you team are WW and Flash.

Aquaman's only quantifable speed feat is him reacting to a 73m/s grenade launcher,that's below Captain America.And before you bring Steppenwolf scaling I'm going to tell you that he was getting destroyed by him,he never kept up with him in combat,plus he had the help of WW.

Batman and Cyborg don't have any quantifable speed feats,if they dare to go near Thanos.

Iron Man alone is better than all these 3 in combat speed,shooting down 3 arrows in point blank and moving his whole body to dodge a tank shell.

Even Cap is better.

Thor moved faster than a bullet or as fast.Even if that bullet was a mach 1 or a little bit above it would still put Thanos on the same level as WW since he is faster than Thor,Cap and Tony.

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Good feat,but near the end of the gif you can see a bullet going faster than her.And you don't need to be faster than those bullets to block them.

Hits close range bullets with her bracers / 670 ft/s (205 m/s)---(This is about the speed of of QS's bullets)

Firstly the bullets that QS has reacted to are much faster than that lol,like for example the bullet that Klaw shot was 390m/s and QS reacted to it,emptied and dismantled his whole gun.All the others bullets are mach 1 or above too,not 205m/s.

Secondly that feat isn't really good,if you watch it in 0.25x speed you begin to see the problems like sometimes the thugs have the chance to shoot Diana's back but they just start dancing lol.

And other times she puts her hand in front of the gun before the bullet is fired.

Not good at all.

Blocks bullets while pacing through No Man's Land, 2 / 878 m/s (2,881 ft/s)

Those bullets can also be 639 m/s,if those guns are M98.

Dodges modern day rifles / 850-920 m/s (2,788.7-3,018 ft/s)----(this is 3-4 times faster than QS's best bullet reaction feat)

The bullet is going faster there,this is exactly what I'm talking about.

She blocked all the bullets, why would she need to go as fast as all the bullets to do so...that makes no sense...youd agree she went as fast as some of the bullets right?? And that she did what she needed to do to save the people...Not seeing the anti feat here.

Her is proof that WW not only perceive bullets of a higher speed than Quicksilver can, but actually moves as fast as a bullet.

What I'm saying is she isn't faster than them,it seems you agree to.I agree with you that she doesn't need to be as fast as a bullet to block them.

Are you saying Quicksilver doesn't even move as fast as a bullet,that he can only perceive them?That is very wrong.

Hard numbers clearly over Quicksilvers handgun bullets....let alone Cap, and Tonys much a slower grenade and missile reactions. Dianas bullets are quite literally 3-4 times faster than QS's handgun bullets.

Thor seems to be in slo-motion there right??^^^

Like hes moving but very slowly.

I think its fair to say that Thor would move twice as slow to Diana as he did quicksilver, so if Thanos scales to Thor he'd be moving at least like this^^^ likely much slower.

She just has to show that she can perceive and move in QS speed or above for Thanos to be rendered into Thor like slo motion.

As I said the bullet in that big scene is mach 2 since it's extremely likely that the mercenaries shot that bullet and they were wielding machine guns.

Thanos does scale to Thor,he is faster than him and Cap and Tony combined so even if that bullet was mach 1 speeds Thanos would be in WW tier.

Yes Thanos is just going to stand there and let Flash push him......because he is a unmoving statue who cannot hope to do anything about it......Flash pushing the car was just proof that he could push heavy things at speed(there were also humans in that car), Thanos has no choice but be pushed around by flash.

He's faster than JL Superman and not even Diana can perceive him

Performs his push attack in 0.014

Look,it took 2 seconds to start pushing the car in real time.Thanos is going to kill him if Flash tries to do it to him.

Thanos is heavier than that man in the gif,plus he is wearing heavy armor and wielding a heavy sword.

I think you mean before Flash talked to Batman(see Bats is good to have around...Batman was also calling shoots during the steppenwolf battle even Superman went up to batman and was like "how do I help" Batman was like "buy Cyborg some time")

After his Bat-prep-talk... Flash was signing up for missions like protecting Cyborg while he does his thing("bug duty").

He went from "I just kinda push people then run away" to Decapitating and exploding Parademons

I think its fair to have him push Thanos and run away, and think its odd that you think he will just sit back and watch his friends die in slow motion.

Doubt he will even push Thanos,he pushed an average man like 10 feet away.As I said Thanos is heavier than that.

And destroying fodders like Parademons isn't close to beating Thanos,Flash never went against Steppenwolf,even tho he had the ability to statue him.

Look how long it took him to enter the battle against Superman.

He will start to get scared when he sees his friends getting owned by Thanos.

I think that was a glancing blow at best.

So I still think Dianas sword or Aquamans trident can compromise the the armor.

Aquaman first trident beat Wolfs armor, Orms trident broke that trident, and Aquamans new trident broke Orms trident.

It's still impressive cause Stormbreaker decaped Thanos' head and arm casually,but it couldn't scratch his armor.

Thanos piercing is pretty impressive,he has tanked hits from Worthy Cap's shield throws.Cap's shield has pierced Pre-Vibranium Ultron body who no sold gunfire from Quinjet,hydra tanks and Ultron Bots.

Thanos took those shield throws by a Cap with the powers of Thor,basically the shield was thrown by a guy with the strength of Thor.

So it's arguable if the Trident and the Sword will pierce the armor.

I must say the Trident has the biggest chance of piercing it,unfortunately it's on the hands of someone who is very weak compared to Thanos and won't get the chance to hit the Mad Titan.

And Thanos has large gaps in his armor.

How will Diana even think to aim for all that purple...LOL

You are right,but still most of his body is covered by his armor.

Add the skill,Diana and Aquaman won't get the chance to stab him.

They don't even know how strong the armor is,we already have seen Aquaman hit someone's armor and not the part without it.

As to Cyborg, ive only claimed he can provide knockback, as every energy attack Thanos has took has done.....

Nope.

This is how far away Star Lord's blasts can send people.

Thanos will probably grab Aquaman and get Cyborg's blast to hit him,I can see that happening.

So Dianas pretty safe, and it dont think you beat her blunt force durability relating too kryptonain strikes.

Diana got two shotted by Superman and Aquaman got one shotted by him(he was hit in the armor too).

Thanos strikes much harder than Kryptonians.

To beat down Thor,Iron Man and Hulk like that is insane.

Oh but it does.....It killed a Green Lantern , and cut right into Cyborg.....And both Diana and Aquman got hit full on by it(not a glancing blow like Thor... full swings)......

Green Lantern's are featless for now.

What piercing feats does Cyborg even have?

Diana didn't get hit by the sharp part.

Aquaman got hit in the armor.

None of that Diana durability really matters tho, because Thanos is laughably slower than her.

Even Thor and his mighty Mjolnir were rendered to slow motion by Quick Silver a character quantifiably slower than Diana..a character who proved that high fps bullets will outright kill him.

By feats or by scaling Diana is just too fast for Thanos, and is a comparable swordsman.

Then add Aquaman to the CQC mix.

With Cyborg taking pot shots.

And Batmans leadership.

And lastly Flash speed hax....Like I know you said he'd prolly sit this out, and that would be nice for you...but Flash is in this CAV and his character development through out the movie clearly shows that he'd at least push Thanos around and off balance.

Team 10/10... this is not a gauntlet, this is a team effort with at least 2 heroes that will see and react to Thanos as if he was in slo motion, and one of those speedy characters has a godly sword.

Quicksilver was tired in the final battle,that's why he was slower than a handgun bullet and died by bullets.

Quicksilver being tired is consistent as it has happened two times in the movie,one time here,another time here.The one is Sokovia was worse because he was so high up in the sky.

I already showed you Thor moving as fast as or faster than a bullet,again it's a highly possible that bullet was mach 2.Even if it was mach 1,Thor was moving faster,even with scaling to Clint's bullet.Thanos is faster than Thor,Tony and Cap together,so he would still be in Diana's tier even if the bullet was mach 1.

So no Diana isn't laughably faster than him.

Aquaman is gonna get destroyed.

Cyborg isn't going to do anything,his blasts won't effect Thanos.

What would Batman do here,tell everyone to attack Thanos?He doesn't know anything about him.

The only thing Flash can do here to be relevant in this battle is push him,but as I said Thanos is too heavy.Even if he did push him what will that do?Diana and Arthur will try to attack him while he is on the ground and Thanos will just counter them.

Look at the Superman fight,they were attacking one by one at the start and they were together too.

Thanos has many options to end the battle quickly.

• His fists
• Sword
• Taking his enemies weapons and using them against them.

Look,it took 2 seconds to start pushing the car in real time.Thanos is going to kill him if Flash tries to do it to him.

Thanos is heavier than that man in the gif, plus he is wearing heavy armor and wielding a heavy sword.

Ive noted that there were Humans in that car(Flash was looking a little girl in the eye almost like "don't be scared little girl, your safe") thats the context.

Thanos doesn't weigh near as much as a 3000lbs car...this proves Berry can move that weight at superspeed, the only reason Berry seems to start slow here is the context of the humans.

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Doubt he will even push Thanos,he pushed an average man like 10 feet away.As I said Thanos is heavier than that.

And destroying fodders like Parademons isn't close to beating Thanos,Flash never went against Steppenwolf,even tho he had the ability to statue him.

Look how long it took him to enter the battle against Superman.

He will start to get scared when he sees his friends getting owned by Thanos.

You bring up a good point we didnt see Flash directly engage Steppenwolf, and there is a good reason for that, because Flash would of been as fast to Steppenwolf as Superman was, it wouldn't of been a fight; so he was plot removed.

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The only thing Flash can do here to be relevant in this battle is push him,but as I said Thanos is too heavy.Even if he did push him what will that do?Diana and Arthur will try to attack him while he is on the ground and Thanos will just counter them

You are really underselling Berrys character development, from not wanting to fight Parademons to feats of bravery like entering a battle against a enraged Superman, for volunteering to run protection for Cyborg splattering a veritable army of aliens.

And there is a clear reason why his character developed so much.

Batman got him to enter battle by telling him "just save one", so Barry can see how his speed is overpowered on the battlefield.

Flash got a pep talk from Cyborg at Supermans grave.

And his encounters with Diana and Aquaman also have served as the young heroes inspiration.

I get why you are trying so hard to discount the Flash.

Its because Thanos has no hope of reacting to or even perceiving the Flash.

Any intervention by the Flash while Diana and Aquaman are fighting Thanos means a quick death for the purple guy.

This is not the same guy whoo was scared to enter a battle ^^ this is the dude who's stood up to Superman and fought along side a Goddess and a King.

Ok I shouldn't say featless, it can kinda protect from a single mjolnir throw before breaking, but it it does not have feats on the level of stormbreaker (or by extension the more poweerful (by feats)Diana Sword and Aquaman Trident.)

You keep acting like this ^^ means that Thanos armor can resist Strombreaker, it's was clearly a glancing blow that barely touched him, even Thanos backs up because he knows his armor will fail against Stormbreakeer.

It's still impressive cause Stormbreaker decaped Thanos' head and arm casually,but it couldn't scratch his armor.

You made the claim that Stormbreaker couldn't even scratch ......And clearly it not only scratched his armor, but did exactly what a you'd expect a glancing blow to do.

Im sure I dont need to circle that obvious scratch through Thanos' armor, and if you rewatch the scene its clearly visible for the rest of the movie.

Thanos' Armor just does not have the feats to resist the JLs weapons, at the best it breaks after one shot, at the worst is doesn't protect significantly at all.

Meanwhile Diana and Aquaman's armor actually has feats from full on hits from a godly axe, Steppenwolf's axe feats may not impress you(cutting Lantern and Cyborg, busting large portion of earth), but at least both Diana and Aquman resisted full on shots from the axe, and not got their armor defeated by a glancing blow(thats a pretty weak feat, glancing and with a cut that is shown for the rest of the movie).

Im not sure this needs another deep dive.

That QS bullet is cool, but that scene only barely suggests that QS may be around Diana speed (assuming that was a rifle bullet and not a handgun bullet from Widow or Clint) it does not suggest that Thor is near Diana speed.

Diana would of been able to block that bullet, Thor was a barely moving.

If thats the best speed that you got.. Thanos scaling to Thor..then Thanos is laughably slower than Diana.

Diana doesn't only move too fast for Human level creatures to react to, she moves to fast for The god of War to react to.

Ive shown Diana to be quantifiably faster with hard numbers.

She uses her speed in combat, and she has dam near statued Gods.

Thor at his best does not fight with this level of speed and skill.

Thor barley moving in conjunction with a bullet is not on the level of Diana perceiving every bullet and moving her arms dynamically to block.

She would outright be the fastest opponent Thanos has ever faced, making her alone a match for Thanos, here she has a vey impressive backup team.

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Flash can not even be perceived by Thanos and he ran at Superman so fear isn't a major issue(character development)....

His speed is well above what Thanos could ever hope to deal with.

A push from him is enough to open Thanos up to Diana or Arthur for the kill.

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Aquaman is about as fast as Thanos, and with better armor and a better weapon....Both have been upgraded from JL....to gold armor and a gold trident....his silver gears were effective in damage output and protection against the new god Steppenwolf.

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Im cool with Cyborg doing as much knockback as Quills first shot(the rest were shielded)...I think thats plenty to put Thanos off balance, along with all the other attacks.

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Batman makes sure Flash does his thing.(always good to keep a inspirational Bat around.)

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And yes they are all going to attack together, this attack on superman was all happening at the same second.

Thanos does not have the speed to deal with that ^^^ and that was how they attack their friend.

Ive noted that there were Humans in that car(Flash was looking a little girl in the eye almost like "don't be scared little girl, your safe") thats the context.

Why does that have to do with anything?

He still took 2-3 seconds to start to push it.

And he doesn't look like he is smiling but struggling.

Thanos doesn't weigh near as much as a 3000lbs car...this proves Berry can move that weight at superspeed, the only reason Berry seems to start slow here is the context of the humans.

True,he is lighter than the Hulk who weighs 1600lbs,but you are forgetting that he is wearing thick armor and wielding a thick sword.That would make him much heavier.

You bring up a good point we didnt see Flash directly engage Steppenwolf, and there is a good reason for that, because Flash would of been as fast to Steppenwolf as Superman was, it wouldn't of been a fight; so he was plot removed.

Or you know he was scared of him.

You are really underselling Berrys character development, from not wanting to fight Parademons to feats of bravery like entering a battle against a enraged Superman, for volunteering to run protection for Cyborg splattering a veritable army of aliens.

And there is a clear reason why his character developed so much.

Batman got him to enter battle by telling him "just save one", so Barry can see how his speed is overpowered on the battlefield.

Flash got a pep talk from Cyborg at Supermans grave.

And his encounters with Diana and Aquaman also have served as the young heroes inspiration.

I get why you are trying so hard to discount the Flash.

Its because Thanos has no hope of reacting to or even perceiving the Flash.

Any intervention by the Flash while Diana and Aquaman are fighting Thanos means a quick death for the purple guy.

You didn't say anything about my point,Aquaman and WW attacking Thanos while on the ground would be countered.

He has the skill,strength,speed and weapon to do this.

So it doesn't matter even if Flash can push him.

Im sure I dont need to circle that obvious scratch through Thanos' armor, and if you rewatch the scene its clearly visible for the rest of the movie.

Thanos' Armor just does not have the feats to resist the JLs weapons, at the best it breaks after one shot, at the worst is doesn't protect significantly at all.

Meanwhile Diana and Aquaman's armor actually has feats from full on hits from a godly axe, Steppenwolf's axe feats may not impress you(cutting Lantern and Cyborg, busting large portion of earth), but at least both Diana and Aquman resisted full on shots from the axe, and not got their armor defeated by a glancing blow(thats a pretty weak feat, glancing and with a cut that is shown for the rest of the movie).

Ok,I never realized it damaged it,nice catch.

It would still be enough to protect from the weapons even if it breaks,but it will take a hit for Thanos.

How is it godly when it doesn't have feats to be godly,it has failed to pierce amazons and Knightcrawler.Busting a large portion of earth is more of a blunt feat rather than piercing.That doesn't make their armor impressive.

And as I said Thanos is skilled and smart he will go for the unprotected parts like he did to Thor's head.

Im not sure this needs another deep dive.

That QS bullet is cool, but that scene only barely suggests that QS may be around Diana speed (assuming that was a rifle bullet and not a handgun bullet from Widow or Clint) it does not suggest that Thor is near Diana speed.

Diana would of been able to block that bullet, Thor was a barely moving.

If thats the best speed that you got.. Thanos scaling to Thor..then Thanos is laughably slower than Diana.

Diana doesn't only move too fast for Human level creatures to react to, she moves to fast for The god of War to react to.

The bullet being mach 2 would make QS faster than Diana.

Thor was moving as fast or faster than the bullet.If we scale Thor moving there to the bullet that Clint's shot,he was definitely faster,so Thor is atleast mach 1+.

Thor would have blocked that bullet too if he was facing it.The bullet seems like it was going fast but that is just the camera angle that makes it seem so,same thing happened with Cap's shield,when we see the camera going towards Cap's shield giving the illusion that the shield was moving.

The God of War doesn't have any speed feats to make her impressive.

And no again Thanos isn't laughably slower than Diana.

Flash can not even be perceived by Thanos and he ran at Superman so fear isn't a major issue(character development)....

His speed is well above what Thanos could ever hope to deal with.

A push from him is enough to open Thanos up to Diana or Arthur for the kill.

He ran into Superman after like 1 minute.

Thanos wearing thick armor and a thick sword means he won't be pushed.

And if he gets pushed Thanos has the skill,strength,weapon and speed to counter Diana and Aquaman.

Aquaman is about as fast as Thanos, and with better armor and a better weapon....Both have been upgraded from JL....to gold armor and a gold trident....his silver gears were effective in damage output and protection against the new god Steppenwolf.

This is already depunked,he isn't as fast as Thanos,his combat speed is supersoldier tier

Im cool with Cyborg doing as much knockback as Quills first shot(the rest were shielded)...I think thats plenty to put Thanos off balance, along with all the other attacks.

The blast only moved his hand and he wasn't even paying attention.The rest weren't shielded,he used to space stone to open a portal,not to create a shield,there is no shield there.

Batman makes sure Flash does his thing.(always good to keep a inspirational Bat around.)

Batman better tell Flash to get him away from Thanos.

And yes they are all going to attack together, this attack on superman was all happening at the same second.

They attacked him together after like 1 minute.

And if Thanos is in that position it means he will be bracing so Flash isn't doing anything at all.

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