The Tsuchikage:
The Admiral:
The Captain Commander:
Who wins the battle of the old elite dudes?
Round 1 Morals on
Round 2 Morals off
If the fight is too unfair, suggestions on how to make it fairer are welcome.
Who wins the battle of the old elite dudes?
Round 1 Morals on
Round 2 Morals off
If the fight is too unfair, suggestions on how to make it fairer are welcome.
Oonoki is irrelevant here.
This a battle between fujitora and yamamoto.
With morals off i can bet my wallet to the fact that fujitora could just BFR yamamoto out of the planet with gravity (considering he can bring rocks from outer space, he could brinf them back too)
With moral on and feat wise, yamamoto should win if he actives his bankai, but if he dont use it, he loses.
If Yamamoto uses his bankai from the start, he wins.
If not, Fujitora would win.
Oonoki is irrelevant here.
Same. Oonoki has nothing to do here.
Oonoki is irrelevant here.
Same. Oonoki has nothing to do here.
That's almost laughable tbh. Onoki has the best feats here that dont require dubious scaling and fanfiction fan calcs
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Yamamoto bankai was literally burning up the entire soul society (Thousand of kilometers)
And fujitora literally lifted casually the entire rubble of dressrosa, which is island sized by terms (island sized thing is around 50km diameter)
Oonoki dont had anything like this, his jinton just has large AoE, but nothing more... (turtle island is very small compared to dressrosa, let alone the entire soul society)
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Yamamoto bankai was literally burning up the entire soul society (Thousand of kilometers)
This is litterally based off one of those fanfiction based fan calcs I mentioned earlier. Meanwhile one of his best visual feats is burning a chunk of a city.
And fujitora literally lifted casually the entire rubble of dressrosa, which is island sized by terms (island sized thing is around 50km diameter)
Another laughable highball, you're comparing debris to solid rock? That feat isnt even mountain level nor is it anywhere near 50km, that's an absolutely egregious highball.
Oonoki dont had anything like this, his jinton just has large AoE, but nothing more... (turtle island is very small compared to dressrosa, let alone the entire soul society)
Turtle island was not only visible on a map, it dwarfed a mountain range as well as had a series of mountains on its back and Onoki casually one handed it like it was nothing.
Then afterwards he tanked two islands to the face at pointblank range and got up with only a bloodstained forehead. Onoki accomplished these feats a whopping 40 years past his prime and they are without a doubt better than anything either have done. Then we have the fact he has the jutsu and processing speed to just practically get off Jinton and oneshot either one of them. Onoki is by far the most impressive here by a longshot, if Oda wrote Onoki he'd soundly be above any admiral.
1. Onoki
2. Fuji
3. Yama
Morals Off makes it worse
Fujitora crushes them both.
>This is litterally based off one of those fanfiction based fan calcs I mentioned earlier. Meanwhile one of his best visual feats is burning a chunk of a city.
This was stated and was already happening, if your like it or not, its irrelevant.
> Another laughable highball, you're comparing debris to solid rock? That feat isnt even mountain level nor is it anywhere near 50km, that's an absolutely egregious highball
Yes, because solid rock and concrete have overall similar densities.
That feat is island level, is funny that you said isnt even mountain level, when he can lift several picas (mountain sized)
And it is 50km, read the manga, law took 40 min runnung to cross the bridge between dressrosa and greenbit, dressrosa is more than 2 times that bridge.
>Turtle island was not only visible on a map, it dwarfed a mountain range as well as had a series of mountains on its back and Onoki casually one handed it like it was nothing.
That map is NOT AT SCALE, so irrelevant.
Dwarfing "range mountains" does not mean anything, mountain varies in size.
Oonoki onehanded the island thanks to his jutsu which REDUCE THE WEIGHT OF ISLAND, its like lifting a giant airballon or even mess than that, nothing impressive at this scale.
>Then afterwards he tanked two islands to the face at pointblank range and got up with only a bloodstained forehead.
He didnt tank anything, the first one he did again reduce his weigh to actually be able to lift it.
The second one destroys him and HE GOT K.O BY IT, so he didnt tank anything.
Even edo madara wich is more durable than oonoki, didnt tank those meteors, so nope.
>Onoki accomplished these feats a whopping 40 years past his prime and they are without a doubt better than anything either have done
Fanfics and headcanon.
>Then we have the fact he has the jutsu and processing speed to just practically get off Jinton and oneshot either one of them
He had not, he is the slowe here.
Fujitora is relativistic, or 5 digits
Yamamoto is 4 digits
And oonoki is what? 3 digits with high ball?
>Onoki is by far the most impressive here by a longshot, if Oda wrote Onoki he'd soundly be above any admiral.
Crealy biased opinion.
Oonoki has a serious chance at an upset with his Particle dismantlement Jutsu, aiming it from a blindspot. That much should be obvious, even if he's not on the other's level otherwise, which doesn't even mention how his weight-manipulation Jutsu would theoretically counter Fujitora's gravity manipulation perfectly.
Fujitora, as well as I know him, actually seems to have the lowest chance of coming out on top here. We might not have seen quite that much of him yet, but nothing in his arsenal seems to be potent enough that Yamamoto couldn't potentially cut through it with his Bankai.
Yamamoto probably wins.
Oonoki has a serious chance at an upset with his Particle dismantlement Jutsu, aiming it from a blindspot. That much should be obvious, even if he's not on the other's level otherwise, which doesn't even mention how his weight-manipulation Jutsu would theoretically counter Fujitora's gravity manipulation perfectly.
Fujitora, as well as I know him, actually seems to have the lowest chance of coming out on top here. We might not have seen quite that much of him yet, but nothing in his arsenal seems to be potent enough that Yamamoto couldn't potentially cut through it with his Bankai.
Yamamoto probably wins.
Ohnoki’s too weak and slow for both Fuji and Yamma and Yamma can resist dismantling.
Fuji’s weaker and slower than Yamma and his energy durability is non existent.
Yamma wins handily in Shikai or even base tbh.
@omnihater: yep, just what I needed to see to label you as what you are. An overly sensitive fanboy who adheres to the most imparied and outright cancerous logic known to man. So genbu with a mountain range along it's back that extends past the clouds at sea level, is visible on a map, and dwarfs a mountain range all on panel with no sort of speculation involved whatsoever isnt an island......:
Your average cumulus cloud hieght btw:
yet vague and inconsistent character statements along with law running an unspecified distance at an unspecified speed, for an unspecified amount of time makes both Yama and fuji Island level? How blatantly foolish can one person seriously be on this website?
Onoki being past his prime is headcanon? Lmfao statements from Onoki's own mouth about his own capabilities is headcanon? Age isnt a determining factor anymore? Onoki was litterally struggling with Edo Mu, when he had already surpassed alive Mu
Lmfao this scene right here litterally says it all:
And it's not the only time it's been outlined as a weakness of his:
Like seriously, is it even a question that a Human would be stronger in his 40's than his mid 80's? Do us both a favor and save me the essay response (that I'm definitely not going to read) full of garbage centered around your personal fanfiction.
>An overly sensitive fanboy who adheres to the most cognitively impaired and outright foolish logic known to man.
Stopped reading here.
Your are clearly a child, grow up and maybe i will take you seriusly (depending on your intentions, because right now u are just trolling)
Good look boy.
Ends in sex
As part of the "train" Fujitora would be the middle car. uwu
PD: Yamamoto wins with medium difficulty.
@omnihater: who cares what you take seriously? You've demonstrated your inability to properly decipher pictures and sentences which is why you blatantly ignored the scans posted. You claim others are childish after a slew of condescending garbage and blatant dismissal of fact?
Please, ignore me; I would seriously hate to further conversate with someone so intentionally ignorant in the first place.
You demostrated that you are a child that cant had a civilized talk without insulting others.
Thats why it said im not wasting my time on childs or inmature people.
Btw, i read your "argument" is wrong in all the aspects (expected) and with your attitude is clear that you will never change your mind.
So, good luck.
You demostrated that you are a child that cant had a civilized talk without insulting others.
Yea, because nothing screams maturity like repeating 'ur wrong!' And 'HeAdCaNnOn' repeatedly while adhering to your own dumpster fire that you call logic. That's not a civil discussion, its talking to someone whose a waste of time.
Thats why it said im not wasting my time on childs or inmature people.
The irony. Anyways, please do us both the favor, you've yet to provide anything that suggests fuji or Yama win so I would suggest that you dismiss yourself in fear of further embarrassment.
Btw, i read your "argument" is wrong in all the aspects (expected) and with your attitude is clear that you will never change your mind.
Yet you couldnt correct a single thing from it, wonderful. I'm glad someone who thinks running an unspecified distance magically equates to '50km' cant change my mind. I'm far better than that to be tricked by something so foolishly non-concrete and outright asinine.
So, good luck.
You're the one who needs luck, you're one of the many OP/Bleachstans on this website that's labeled as nothing more than a worthless troll.
I said headcanon because the versus says old oonoki, not the oonoki that is in your mind, still not an insult.
You had to be very sentive if you got offended by it.
Your are wrong.
Because dwarfing mountains does not mean any size at all, could be from 1km to 1000km, bring back something measurable from the manga
Because authors dont know what is the altitude of the clouds, and kishi never stated that those cloud are at 2km high, even using that nonsense stil a lot small to dressrosa or soul society.
Because the map is not at scale
Because humans runs at 28km/h (In OP everyone is superhuman), law took to cross the bridge 40 minutes, dressrosa is more than 2 times that bridge, do maths, is very simple to conclude the size of dressrosa (you dont had anything like this to measure island turtle size)
I said headcanon because the versus says old oonoki, not the oonoki that is in your mind, still not an insult.
You had to be very sentive if you got offended by it.
Your are wrong.
Saying Onoki accomplished all his war arc feats 40 years past his prime is a CANONICAL FACT, there is nothing wrong about it. The only sensitivity that stemmed from me is being exposed to the heap of ignorance that is your arguments, they are very offensive to anyone even mildly coherent on the subject.
Because dwarfing mountains does not mean any size at all, could be from 1km to 1000km, bring back something measurable from the manga
So dwarfing a mountain range on pannel isnt enough to substantiate it's an island? We can VERY CLEARLY see those are mountains just shy of cloud hieght so regardless if a distance was stated or not, ITS CLEARLY A MOUNTAIN. Meaning we have SOMETHING CONCRETE to compare its size to. Something this simple shouldnt confuse anyone, let alone someone who claims to actually read manga. You're downplaying on purpose.
Because authors dont know what is the altitude of the clouds, and kishi never stated that those cloud are at 2km high, even using that nonsense stil a lot small to dressrosa or soul society.
So Kishimoto has to state how the planet(earth)works in every specific instance and we cant reference our own planet(also earth)? Laughable.
Because the map is not at scale
So basically what you're saying is.....Your opinion > canon? Because at this point youre arguing directly with the Manga. Genbu was directly stated larger than the Forest of Death, meaning bare minimum:
With the Area of a circle formula:
The FOD would have an area of 314km, which would equate to Genbu being at least that large as well.
Find me virtually anything outside of conjecture that would support such a foolish claim? Y'know what dont even bother, you havent demonstrated yourself capable of actually debating anything here, I'd hate for you to strain yourself for my sake.
Because humans runs at 28km/h (In OP everyone is superhuman), law took to cross the bridge 40 minutes, dressrosa is more than 2 times that bridge, do maths, is very simple to conclude the size of dressrosa (you dont had anything like this to measure island turtle size)
Lmfao! All speculation rubbish based that was never confirmed by anyone, so you can use numbers fabricated from your own conjecture but I cant use the average hieght of clouds or mountains? Stop talking to me, pls.
Yama would disintegrate anything Fujitora threw at him, eliminating a lot of options. Fujitora would have to launch gravity attacks directly at Yama to do anything. Yama has the best chance since any move he has related to heat should be effective if it lands and his passive heat on its own is quite destructive. If Yama deems Fujitora a threat worthy of Bankai, he wins. Observation haki can't save you from that much power pouring out everywhere and I'm not sure Fujitora can even block the shikai using armament haki. Yama's maximum heat generation is beyond that of a top tier like Akainu (so far).
>Dwarfing mountain on panels does not mean anything because panels are not a scale and mountain varies on sizex and those mountains dont had any size statement
>mountain varies in size so thats nothing concrete there
>Cloud hieght isnt stated by kishimoto, and we dont know if he draw that panel knowing that height either.
>im saying that the map isnt at scale, because it is not, or show me the statement where is said that is map at scale and what scale it is (Kilometers or meters).
>when did genbu was stated larger than forest of death? Scan?
>Im using a human speed date and giving it to superhumans when randoms in OP can run 200km/h (gazelleman), you want me to use that number insteed?
>Even if you use your non-existence facts in the manga, to speculate the size of the genbu, it still dwarfted by dressrosa size and even more by entire SS.
@omnihater: Yea, no feats, scans, or even character statements. You're ignored at this point, it's no point in going back and forth with a child who can do nothing but repeat himself or even offer anything to the conversation period. What a genuine waste.
Im not posting scan because i assumed that you did read OP, and you know what im talking about, but i seems that i was wrong and you didnt read it, and you are commenting here with 0 knowledge abour OP.
Lol.
Ohnoki is physically stronger than both (without need for scaling) and he kills Fuji pretty easily tbh
Yamamoto might win but I think Ohnoki can clutch some wins too
Yamamoto or Ohnoki high diff
Onoki solos with Jinton
It's really a battle against Onoki and Yamamoto here if we're being real
Fujitora is fodder here
@gokukid2005: how is onoki physically stronger than both? All of his strength feats come from making things lighter which automatically makes it not a strength feat
OT: yama takes it. He seems like here would get serious faster then Fuji as well
@theemperor95: He can increase the gravity of items/people to make them heavy and do the opposite to make them light. With his lightweight jutsu he was able to casually carry an island with one hand while suffering from back pain, that is what he uses to fly around. He also has the heavyweight jutsu that does the opposite instead weighing himself down meaning he can have the same amount of potency for attacking.
He also has the Ultra version of both which are leagues better. So suffice to say Fujitora isn't pinning him down with his gravity.
He also has Dust release that was stated to be able to delete the entirety of Turtle Island by mistake. Ohnoki was shocked to learn that it was Turtle Island and not just a part of the Landscape he could delete without remorse, showing he is fully capable of that.
Round 1: Yamamoto doesn't start with his Shikai or Bankai in character, while Ohnoki's first move 9/10 of the time is Dust release. Ohnoki 6/10
Round 2: Morals off Yamamoto 8/10
Yamamoto stomps this is a mismatch.
This. Yamamoto is too much for both.
>He also has the heavyweight jutsu that does the opposite instead weighing himself down meaning he can have the same amount of potency for attacking.
Hardcore assumption.
@gokukid2005: I know what his jutsu does. I can lift a building if it only weighed 20 lbs but that doesn't make me the strongest person in the world because I can lift a building. This is the same concept he is only lifting something because he lightened it.
We also know he isn't destroying all of turtle island because he couldn't even destroy PS with dust release and quite literally lost hope after seeing it. That wouldn't happen if he could easily destroy it. Over time he could destroy it but he isn't destroying it outright
Yama definitely starts fights with shikai? Ukitake and shunsui he did, aizen he did, yhwach he did, sternritter he did. The only time he hasn't immediately used shikai was against ayon (who he still used it on). Also dust release isn't even hitting yama in a 1v1
@gokukid2005: I know what his jutsu does. I can lift a building if it only weighed 20 lbs but that doesn't make me the strongest person in the world because I can lift a building. This is the same concept he is only lifting something because he lightened it.
Ok. The same way he can make something weigh less, he can make it weigh more. Which is why I say he can do a lot of damage if he gets the chance to land a hit.
We also know he isn't destroying all of turtle island because he couldn't even destroy PS with dust release and quite literally lost hope after seeing it. That wouldn't happen if he could easily destroy it. Over time he could destroy it but he isn't destroying it outright
When has he ever failed to destroy a Susanoo? While being powered by some of Tsunade's chakra when he was low, he disintegrated 25 humanoid body Susanoos with no effort. By the time Madara used PS Ohnoki had run out of chakra, but he still didn't run out of hope he was the first to engage him.
And the second part is headcanon. He was not injured, he had full stamina and was trying to kill Deidara. His assistants who are related to him and have been around him their entire lives would obviously know what he is capable of. And Deidara who could spam a bomb that spans 20 km in diameter was scared shitless of his dust release.
Yama definitely starts fights with shikai? Ukitake and shunsui he did, aizen he did, yhwach he did, sternritter he did. The only time he hasn't immediately used shikai was against ayon (who he still used it on). Also dust release isn't even hitting yama in a 1v1
Sorry my mistake, it's Bankai that he doesn't use in character.
Onoki shouldn't be here. Particle Style is powerful but it can be dodged. As for his manipulation of gravity... he doesn't bring meteors down from the sky.
I'm not a Bleach fan so I can't speak to the nature of Yamamoto.
Yamamoto >>>>>>>>> Fujitora >>>> Onoki
the chance of onoki winning is practically 0, if you were to built a simulator then after several thousand battles he might get lucky and win 1, Fujitora has extraordinary Haki and Yamamoto can sense souls at min 20km+.
@gokukid2005: when he makes something heavier it moves a lot slower. Something he doesn't need as he's already the slowest one here
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/589
That sure looks like someone who has lost hope to me. He was the first one to try to do something however. Also if he could destroy an island sized object with ease as you are claiming then a small mountain sized object wouldn't be something to even faze him
Deidara can't spam that attack casually? (Isn't it 10 km not 20?) That's a suicide attack
when he makes something heavier it moves a lot slower. Something he doesn't need as he's already the slowest one here
I'm not really going to go into the speed thing because sadly like a lot of characters in naruto he lacks speed feats but he should be faster than Tsunade but slower than Ay. In about a minute he was able to fly and fight so fast that Turtle Island wasn't visible to him and he was above the clouds. And there are a bunch of relativistic feats for Jonin and Kage level fighters in the verse.
So high end MHS+ to sub-relativistic. Then he can drastically decrease his weight with Ultra Lightweight jutsu.
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/589
That sure looks like someone who has lost hope to me. He was the first one to try to do something however. Also if he could destroy an island sized object with ease as you are claiming then a small mountain sized object wouldn't be something to even faze him
He was OUT OF CHAKRA, without chakra he can't do anything. And even that didn't stop him from confronting Madara first when he released Edo Tensei, knowing full well he could barely do anything.(chapter 592).
Deidara can't spam that attack casually? (Isn't it 10 km not 20?) That's a suicide attack
He was an Edo Tensei Zombie so he could spam it, he said and even showed he could in a later fight. And it is a 10 km radius.
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