One punch man vs Devilman (CRYBABY version)

@cable_extreme: You are not getting my point. What I was trying to prove is that Saitama wasn't holding back there like you claimed. Now let me come to my main point - The power used in this serious punch and that one IS different.

King was telling him about the city and that he didn't have space. He didn't really teach him anything - Saitama did everything by himself.

Do you get my point now?

Your point isn't at all similar to the point you made in post #130

One didn't build on Saitama's serious punch after that point. Infact, when we saw it used again in the manga, it was nowhere near that level of power. If it was, it would have not only killed Elder centipede but taken away most of the surface as well. Why didn't it?

I answered that question and now you are acting like we are talking about something else. From the looks of the post you just made, you just contradicted yourself and proved yourself wrong.

@cable_extreme: This is what I said:

"One didn't build on Saitama's serious punch after that point. In fact, when we saw it used again in the manga, it was nowhere near that level of power. If it was, it would have not only killed Elder centipede but taken away most of the surface as well. Why didn't it?"

Which part isn't similar? When I was said Saitama used a powerful attack, that was to disprove what you said:

"Saitama specifically didn't hit him hard enough to send him flying into the city, but instead focused his serious punch in a way to destroy Elder Centipede while also having the specific mission not to create collateral damage."

Saitama did hit him hard enough to immediately destroy him.

I didn't contradict anything.

Now back to my main point, the power levels of the 2 serious punches were different. WAY DIFFERENT. So when you said and I quote:

"Saitama never used Serious Series: Serious Punch until that point... All previous fights were One Punch victories, he is consistently too powerful for Dragon-level based on consistent feats. He then faced a God-level threat (Boros) and used a new skill, you can't claim it isn't consistent as his limit hasn't been established yet."

Now we have 2 instances of a serious punch and they are both way different. Saying that was the first time he used that punch doesn't work anymore.

@pmcinelly784: Wherer does it say the translation was wrong? You still haven't proved that. In the manga it says planet surface level and in the databook, it says planet level. The anime is garbage. So in both the manga and databook, there are 2 different explanations. Those alone means damages the validity of this feat.

Forgive me for what? You not being able to prove anything? Or you being fooled into believing it was star level? Manga says it was only surface level. Being surface level DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN DESTROY A PLANET. Please learn the difference.

Anime company is filler. One and Murata are canon. Whatever the anime put ins/says is not canon as it is not in the manga. The best example of this is the tatsumaki meteor feat which is not in the manga.

@theoriginalone:

"One didn't build on Saitama's serious punch after that point. In fact, when we saw it used again in the manga, it was nowhere near that level of power. If it was, it would have not only killed Elder centipede but taken away most of the surface as well. Why didn't it?"

Which part isn't similar? When I was said Saitama used a powerful attack, that was to disprove what you said:

"Saitama specifically didn't hit him hard enough to send him flying into the city, but instead focused his serious punch in a way to destroy Elder Centipede while also having the specific mission not to create collateral damage."

Saitama did hit him hard enough to immediately destroy him.

You aren't making any sense, you claim Saitama didn't show the same level of power against Elder Centipede as he did against Boros. You literally said why didn't it take away most of the surface as well? The answer I provided with King's training throughout the end of the saga. I provided the specific scan stating that he needs to control his punch in a way where no damage would go to the city meaning he controlled the power much more-so than he did against Boros. Stating he completely destroyed the Elder Centipede is completely irrelevant to your initial point. Your argument jumps around making no sense what so ever. You worry about Saitama's consistency while at the same time having no consistency within your own argument.

Now back to my main point, the power levels of the 2 serious punches were different. WAY DIFFERENT. So when you said and I quote:

"Saitama never used Serious Series: Serious Punch until that point... All previous fights were One Punch victories, he is consistently too powerful for Dragon-level based on consistent feats. He then faced a God-level threat (Boros) and used a new skill, you can't claim it isn't consistent as his limit hasn't been established yet."

Now we have 2 instances of a serious punch and they are both way different. Saying that was the first time he used that punch doesn't work anymore.

The were way different because he focused his punch in a way to prevent the city from taking damage.

They were different, the first attack against Boros, Saitama didn't have king teaching him how to control his power. You are complaining he didn't recreate the destruction with Boros. This can states exactly why, what else do you want? I have been more than accommodating for you with the scans and statements I have provided. You haven't provided anything so far.

@cable_extreme: What sense am I not making? King's training? He was telling Satima that he shouldn't hold back on his ouch because he has less space and there is a city near by. Why would he hold back if he knows there is a chance that EC would be sent flying away? You are the one who is not making any sense.

He had t control his power yes but that only mean he concentrated more power into his punch. That still doesn't mean Saitama held back. What are you not understanding here?

Lol, him focusing his punch does not mean he decreased his power. If he did that, EC could have been sent flying. Why would Saitama take that risk? Why would he decrease his power? And when you focus/concentrate your power, you actually use more power to deliver the most damage.

If we take your point of view in account, his punch after king's so-called trainig should have been STRONGER than his boros punch. People don't get weaker after advice/training, they get better. So even then, your "logic" falls flat. Scans? You have only provided 1 scan and even misinterpreted that.

And why would he need training from someone who has never even fought while Saitama himself has been training/practicing HIS WHOLE LIFE? You are not making much sense.

@pmcinelly784: I know the databook says that but the manga says it was only surface level. I never once denied the databook scan but you can't deny the what was said in the manga.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/comments/4fofr8/the_opm_guidebook_and_boros/

Here, they describe that statement properly.

As you said, that is one meaning but there are different meaning as well. So to say it specially said the planet is wrong.

Where does it say the official translation was wrong? You still haven't been able to prove that. Not to mention, that is from the official Viz translation. This is because in Japanese he says this 星の表面を消し飛ばしてやる which translates to "erase the face of the planet". And Viz never released any statement saying it was a mistake.

Not to mention, the anime changed Boros's dialogue. In the manga his line about the Earth was this

星の表面を消し飛ばしてやる

but the anime dropped the 表面 which is Japanese for face. In the mange he said

I will erase you and the face of this planet

But since the anime dropped the 表面, he said this

I will erase you and this planet

https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/comments/51phns/boros_is_a_planet_buster_if_you_believe_vegetas/

I never even said he can't beat Devilman. I am saying it wasn't planet + like you keep lying. You keep saying it was mistranslated but it wasn't. Provide me a statement from Viz that says it was a mistake.

@theoriginalone:

What sense am I not making? King's training? He was telling Satima that he shouldn't hold back on his ouch because he has less space and there is a city near by. Why would he hold back if he knows there is a chance that EC would be sent flying away? You are the one who is not making any sense.

You didn't read the manga, and it is very obvious. In the manga, Saitama is trying to learn martial arts, and King was trying to teach him how to control his power more. He wanted Saitama to focus his attack, not just punch and have everything go to shit. The whole story was leading up to that point where Saitama had little room to work with as there was a city nearby, so he had to focus his power in a small localized area and try not to have any damage hit to city. That is why he didn't replicate the overflow like he did against Boros, he focused his energy to the elder centipede. Go read it and come back to me.

If we take your point of view in account, his punch after king's so-called trainig should have been STRONGER than his boros punch. People don't get weaker after advice/training, they get better. So even then, your "logic" falls flat. Scans? You have only provided 1 scan and even misinterpreted that.

Are you seriously trying to argue his punch should have damaged the city? I showed you why his serious punch didn't have the same collateral damage as his punch with Boros, he was specifically not trying to hit the city.

I guess I'll post the image again.

@theoriginalone:

So I guess that's where we will never agree, and talking about it with you is like talking to a brick wall or a dead horse.

Arguing with people like you turns from being fun to being a complete chore.

Regardless of everything, lets agree Saitama beats Devilman, and we can close this thread. Its not about the fact that Saitama is a world-buster+, its about the fact that Saitama could easily destroy Devilman.

@pmcinelly784: I can say the same to you.

I can say the same to you again.

I know he beats Devilman and quite easily but I don't agree with that planer level/star level stuff.

@cable_extreme: Lol, I did read the manga, can you post me a scan where he wanted to learn martial arts FROM KING? You seem to forget that he wanted to learn it, yes but from the martial art tournament NOT KING. King has zero experience in fighting, why would he learn from king? He does learn to game from king BUT THAT IS ALL.

That statement from you shows you have no awareness of what you read.

Lol, you are not getting what I am saying. This is the second time he ever used a serious punch and he has never shown to control his power to THT DEGREE. Now, yes he had little space and yes he didn't want to hit EC back into the city but controlling planet surface+ level power to this is GARBAGE. There should have been enough force left over to destroy the surrounding area like nothing, not the damage it actually did.

Now to the main point - The 2 times he has shown his serious punches, they have shown an EXTREMELY different level of powers. EXTREMELY. So when you said it was the first time he used the Serious punch with Boros, doesn't work here because when he used it again, it was much lower in power. Even if he focused his power, the gap between the 2 is massive.

Saitama stomps.

How?

How this thread is still going on for so long is beyond me. Saitama would destroy crybaby Akira in one punch.

One guy in the thread is claiming Saitama's Serious Series: Serious Punch was "inconsistent" and therefor can't be used. He has argued this despite me showing quotes from ONE Sensei, on-panel feats from both Manga and the online comic. The whole reason it is still going is because he claims "it is inconsistent" repeatedly despite evidence showing otherwise.

@cable_extreme: You don't even have to go that far. Saitama beat a more powerful enemy than Akira without exerting much of his own power while Akira died without hurting an enemy more powerful than himself.

@theoriginalone:

Lol, you are not getting what I am saying. This is the second time he ever used a serious punch and he has never shown to control his power to THT DEGREE. Now, yes he had little space and yes he didn't want to hit EC back into the city but controlling planet surface+ level power to this is GARBAGE. There should have been enough force left over to destroy the surrounding area like nothing, not the damage it actually did.

Now to the main point - The 2 times he has shown his serious punches, they have shown an EXTREMELY different level of powers. EXTREMELY. So when you said it was the first time he used the Serious punch with Boros, doesn't work here because when he used it again, it was much lower in power. Even if he focused his power, the gap between the 2 is massive.

You can argue how you "think" is should happen but I already provided you the scan where he was specifically trying not to knock the Elder Centipede into the city (implying he could, but he needed to control his punch). You whole argument is base-less specialization not supported by anything but your own bias. Come up with an actual scan, or ANYTHING of substance, not just you trying to find a fault with all the evidence I have provided thus far.

If Devilman can make shockwaves comparable to Earth he should just one-shot Saitama.

Yeah

Can you elaborate more on that point?

@god_vulcan: By punching him. Devilman was consistently harmed by bullets, stabbed, cut, by things so ridiculously underneath Saitama's level of damage output it isn't even funny. Yes he can regenerate, but he can also run out of juice if harmed enough, which Saitama is well beyond capable of doing.

Saitama's best feat is creating an inferior shockwave. Even scaling his maximum level above that (assuming he wasn't trying that hard vs Boros), the shockwaves Akira made are larger simply based on being spherical but covering the same distance. If we accept that the attack might've been surface wiping it's closer, but Saitama would still lose.

@sy8008: He can't make shockwaves comparable to Earth.

Pretty sure he got a huge boost at the end of the series making those showings moot.

I'll just copy and paste what I told you in the chat here, since CV is a better environment to support a debate.

Akira is only vulnerable to piercing attacks, as he's been consistently shown to be affected by them. He stood in the epicenter of the shockwaves generated by him and Satan's physcial clashes, which were creating explosions that rivaled the size of the Earth... Furthermore, Saitama has a snowball's chance in hell of tagging him. Akira swerved away from a a beam that went from the Earth to the Moon nigh-instantaneously, giving him LS-FTL reactions. His travel speed is enough to avoid the AOE of serious punch and his durability is enough to bathe in it.

They weren't as big as the Earth but still respectively large in comparison. About a fourth to half the size depending.

Anyway I haven't finished Crybaby yet so I might be missing something but it seems like a very high tier feat.

@sy8008: It's his final fight but shockwaves aren't comparable to the punching actually destroying that area.

Yes he can. I shut you down in the first page when you said the same thing.

Not sure what that has to do with what I said.

@god_vulcan: That's shockwaves that cover a small part of one side of the Earth. That isn't comparable to the entirety of the planet nor did he even destroy any significant landmass on the planet. These shockwaves aren't explosions.

You didn't shut anything down, you didn't respond to my reply to your post.

Please do not give Akira Light speed reactions. You don't know the context of how long his fight with Satan took. If he did have light speed reaction speeds, he wouldn't be dead nor would he constantly get hit.

@jashugan:

That's shockwaves that cover a small part of one side of the Earth. That isn't comparable to the entirety of the planet nor did he even destroy any significant landmass on the planet.

The shockwaves were bigger than a moon so none of this matters. Saitama would need a serious punch to be argued as even approaching that level and he wouldn't pull one in character.

These shockwaves aren't explosions.

This has nothing to do with anything.

You didn't shut anything down, you didn't respond to my reply to your post.

It was in bold and formatted strangely, nor did I have time at the moment.

Please do not give Akira Light speed reactions.

I didn't give it to him, he performed the feat by his lonesome.

You don't know the context of how long his fight with Satan took. If he did have light speed reaction speeds, he wouldn't be dead nor would he constantly get hit.

What?

@sy8008: Yes, he got a huge boost and was still getting wrecked, needed an extremely relevant external intervertion of demons regenerating his busted limbs several times and was unable to harm Satan. The only justifiable and Devilman exclusive amp he got was the fact he was very angry and was creating shockwaves... But his 20 times larger limbs and all that jada jada came after he was fusioning himself with demons.

@cable_extreme: What scan? You own scan proves it. Even if Saitama did focus his power and not let it run loose, there should still have been massive damage as you can't have a planet+ level punch and not do massive damage even if you hold back.

Not to mention, using something twice doesn't make it consistent.

@jashugan: I have never once said Saitama doesn't win. But he tried to use that planet surface level punch to justify Saitama pushing through a whole planet, even though it was only cover art and not an actual feat as of yet.

@theoriginalone: Murata has said Saitama can destroy a planet if he wants to. In the webcomic Saitama said he could destroy a planet. If we're just going by feats, it's fine if someone says Saitama can't destroy a planet because he hasn't done one on panel.

Just because he couldn't harm Satan doesn't mean it shouldn't be considered an amp or that the feat shouldn't be legit. He wasn't getting hurt by bullets after the amp was he?

I mean the feat is still superior to Saitama's no matter how you look at it.

@theoriginalone:

I have never once said Saitama doesn't win. But he tried to use that planet surface level punch to justify Saitama pushing through a whole planet, even though it was only cover art and not an actual feat as of yet.

I never did such a thing. I never tried to use his Boros feat to justify the cover art. You are blatantly lying.

@theoriginalone: you are trying to disprove a manga feat using real world logic. How far your argument has fallen.

@jashugan: That is what I have been saying. I know he will eventually get that feat but for now, he doesn't.

@cable_extreme: Lol, I am trying to show you what is consistent and what is not.

@cable_extreme: I am lying?

In post 50, you said and I quote:

"Your point is moot since we aren't arguing anyone is destroying a planet.

However lets look at it factually.

• Boros stated he would take Saitama down as well as scorch the surface of the Earth.
• Saitama reflected that attack (which is world level) by the secondary concussive force his fist generated when moving through the air.
• He not only stopped the attack but had enough energy left over to split the jet stream around the Earth.
• Boros was confirmed God-level by One-Sensei
• It was also stated on-panel that Saitama wasn't even going full throttle, that he was holding back and still depressed from the lack of anyone who could challenge him.

Saitama is easily world level and that is without trying."

How much are you going to lie?

@sirfizzwhizz: The whole point of one punch man is that he's unstoppable, one punch man wins no matter what

Consistency isn't an issue here, defeating Boros in one serious punch is consistent with his character. You are trying to argue that him punching Boros is not consistent, yet all the matches previously he ended in one punch. All of his previous matches were consistently too easy for Saitama yet he was forced to use a finishing move on Boros.

He used this same finishing move and one shot Elder Centipede which you tried to argue he "didn't show the same level of destruction". Despite being shown the exact scan stating as to why.... You stubbornly hold onto your position with nothing but your own head cannon and a false notion of inconsistency.

Yeah and where did I mention the cover art?......

Every-time someone says this, I like to believe they're trolling

Wait... this fight takes place on the moon with no bfr... can either of them survive for long periods on the moon?