One Piece God Tier vs Black clover God Tier vs Fairy tail God Tier

>God tiers

>Rhya

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OT: Probably BC due to the speed and hax of Yami/Julius/Zagred. Don’t know FT well enough to say who wins between them and OP

OP>BC>>>Statues Tail.

This is a horrible represention of "BC God Tiers" no Dante? No Zenon? No Vanica? You didn't even add Asta or Yuno...

OP is irrelevant. Fairy Tail in a hell of a war.

Acno solos the BC team while the rest of FT annihilates OP team.

Dumbass Fairy fanboy "FAiRy TaiL MiGhT wIn tHIS" hELL NO!! they are the slowest here.

lol lol existence erasure one shot him.

This is between Black Clover and Fairy Tail. One Piece is irrelevant and finishes in last place.

>says its between FT And BC

Bc have FTL characters while FT don't even have characters above MHS+ (they can statue the FT verse to oblivion) and the bc verse is built with hax with most to specifically counter magic abilities

Op verse has FTL characters like BC so no blitzing for the most part and they're mostly physical stats based and don't use magic which is a hard counter to the bc mages who are glass canon

From the way I see it ft verse doesn't belong here and are the ones irrelevant

FTL One Piece wank still going strong. It's always the same people always wanking One Piece in every single versus matchup.

OT: I'd give this to Black Clover. Fairy Tail comes in second. One Piece comes in last.

OP top tiers should logically be easily FTL, FT are too slow to compete here, BC and OP can go either way since BC has hax while OP has AP and durability advantage, FT finishes last

OP >=FT >>>>>>> BC

@shirso: Save for patri with his movement spell, and kizaru with certain techniques, everyone here is in the rel - rel + range. One Piece characters are able to keep up with Kizaru and dodge his lasers due to prediction techniques. you don't need to be faster than an attack when you know it's coming. Especially with an attacks that only move in a straight line and can't change direction after fired. Someone like kaido is a whole different story. On top of being fast He can dynamically change his trajectory in the middle of an attack so even if you can see the future it wouldn't help much.

The same can be said for BC. Everyone that has kept up with light speed movement has done so through prediction. And when it comes to completely linear attacks like the ray of divine judgement, they can easily predict it's path and intercept it. But when it comes to catching someone like patri who's adept at using the light movement spell, Even julius who can see the future couldn't catch him.

As for FT, characters like Laxus and Erza have sub rel feats and base natsu scales to them. A god tier like Aldoron could attack so fast Natsu couldn't even perceive it. Gildarts also has a rel feat in ice trail but I don't think that needs to be considered since there's enough feats in the main series. The God tiers of all the verses here would be in the rel range. Speed isn't a deciding factor here.

@hypermach7: Kizaru is LS in all aspects, his combat speed as well as the speed of his attacks as has been confirmed multiple times by himself and in Databooks. You have characters that can match him blow for blow in a fast paced sword fight (so not just linear attacks) like old Rayleigh so at least LS, and characters like Marco who moves a substantial distance relative to his lasers and intercepts them after they have been fired, which is already high end rel speed. Any Yonko or Admiral scales well above Marco and in fact old Garp outright blitzed him at MF, so yeah the top tiers of OP being at least low end FTL seems perfectly fair to me.

Sub rel starts at like low quint mach while LS is close to Mach 900k so no the FT team is outclassed in speed here by either of the other 2 teams.

@death8dragon: lol lol acnologia literally survived a void where everything ceases to exist

@shirso: Can you point me to where it's stated that Kizaru's sword play and every movement is light speed? Cause making a construct out of light doesn't make it light speed. And if he could just normally move that fast there'd be no reason to have techniques like yata no kagami. And his yasakani no magatama isn't light speed either. The light from the balls he fired clearly reached whitebeard long before the actual attack did. And even his yata no kagami requires him to make a visible path of light to his destination, then move his body to it in individual particles. When rayleigh intercepted it, Kizaru didn't even have half his body into particles and rayleigh saw the beam path b4 hand.

Characters like Erza and laxus are already around 10% light speed with buffs. Natsu scaling to them and Aldoron completely blitzing him when at full power makes god tiers comfortably in the rel- rel+ range. The only characters on the other teams that have lightspeed attacks are kizaru patri and raia and those are all linear. The rest are all rel- rel+. And a difference in speed of 2-10x is not a match winner in any of these series. Katakuri was much faster than luffy when their fight just started along with having future sight. Luffy adjusted and was able to keep up with him. Vetto was faster than asta but he could still adapt and contend. Natsu was completely blitzed by ultear's flashforward but he was able to adapt and intercept it. A slight difference in speed does not win a fight.

@hypermach7: Because he has stated it himself ("have you ever been kicked at the speed of light"), and a Databook statement confirms he "spams attacks at light speed"

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/kizaru-is-lightspeed-according-to-databook-2013661/

When he is charging up his attacks the light emitted from it would reach WB before he has even fired his attack of course, and honestly that's just tropes, technically, it should not be possible to even see a LS or FTL attack before it reaches you but it happens all the time in fiction.

What 10% LS feats do Erza and Laxus have lol

@shirso: Nothing in that page says everything he does is light speed. No mention of "spam" anywhere. The phrase光速で攻撃を繰り出す( kousoku de kougeki wo kuri dasu) literally translates to "can launch attacks at lightspeed". Nothing about this implies that every movement he does is lightspeed and the databook doesn't say much of anything that isn't already known And the only time I've seen his light speed kick get intercepted is after a long charge up and it was by rayleigh who has high level observation haki.

Yeah the light hitting him may be a trope but there's nothing backing up his light balls being light speed. Also marco didn't even travel that great of a distance compared to the attack. The thing was balls were fired from high up on the air and marco didn't get to the until they were almost at the ship. And as you said there was a charge up time and as well as a huge "i'm here" right before he launched the attack.

Erza dodging laxus' lightning was calced at around 3-4% ls (don't remember exact numbers rn). She can amp her speed with armors.

@hypermach7: Can launch attacks at light speed can mean:

a) He is launching attacks at light speed, implying his own combat speed is LS

b) He is launching attacks at light speed, implying the attacks he launches, as in the laser spams and the like, moves at LS.

It's most likely b), but doesn't matter which you take, if it's a), then old Rayleigh has kept up with him in a cqc sword fight which puts old Rayleigh's combat speed at LS, and people like Primebeard, Roger, current Kaido etc would logically scale above an old, rusty Rayleigh.

If you go with b), then Marco is still high end rel and the same scaling applies.

Either way, again, we know Kizaru's combat speed at least is LS since he himself states he kicks at light speed. The manga's own words >> your headcanon. And old Rayleigh can evenly match his combat speed.

Except the Databook and everything about him being light. Like why'd literal light fired by a light man not be LS? You are reaching hard here.

He did, he was nowhere in sight or in the panel at all when Kizaru fired his lasers and came out of nowhere to intercept them when the lasers were only halfway to WB.

Kizaru charging means little here, since again we saw Marco was nowhere in sight or in the panel after the lasers had been fired.

The most well known calc for Laxus' lightning is Mach 900, you can check pretty much any FT CaV by prominent FT debaters like say Molt and that's the number they use. Far far cry from even sub rel which'd start at quint mach let alone LS.

Imagine trying to say Kizaru isn't light speed

An imagine trying to say no one scales to him in speed when you literally have characters like Rayleigh matching his every movement

• Having precognition is irrelevant if you are not fast enough to follow through with the movements

This applies to real life and is directly stated in verse

The low ball attempts people try to make on speed of One Piece characters literally makes no sense

@wushu59: I am pretty sure he hasn't read One Piece as he didn't seem to know old Rayleigh has outright matched Kizaru in combat speed.

FT >> BC >>>> OP

FT>>OP>BC in power

BC>OP>>FT in speed

FT>>>OP>BC in physicals

FT>BC>>>>>>>OP in hax

FT>>BC>>>OP

: @shirso:What do you mean "if it's a"? That's what you've been asserting this entire time. The section of his page was talking about his devil fruit attacks and the things that move at light speed are his BEAMS. Again what marco intercepted was balls of light not beams. Even if you say those move at LS as well they still moved a significantly higher distance than he did to intercept them so it wouldn't be as high in the rel range as you are saying.

"he himself states he kicks at light speed. The manga's own words >> your headcanon" What head canon? I didn't say his light powered kick wasn't ls, I said the only one that's intercepted it is rayleigh, and that was after a long charge up and he has observation haki. But his light powered kick has nothing to do with the speed of his regular sword swings. You can't equate the attributes a character has with a special move to every normal attack (you guys like to do that alot on here).

Yeah his beams are ls. I don't see where the confusion is. The balls could be light speed or they could not but the beams are.

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Well no Marco didn't come "out of nowhere". We know that he was right behind WB. And on the panel it was fired there were only close ups of WB and Kizaru so of course he wouldn't be in frame. If the balls are ls Marco's feat is in the rel range but so are the other people on the other teams.

Moving meters in the same time it takes lightning to inches makes you massively faster than it. As opposed to the case with marco where he doesn't move as much distance as the light, Erza and laxus moved a far greater distance than the lightning. That's why their speed is far higher. The calcs that yield sub rel use the average speed of lightning which is close to the mach 900 calc. You can actually go plug in mach 900 instead of the mach 1282 used and it's still sub rel. Red lightning is superior to his regular lightning anyway.

@wushu59 A super fast beast who also has observation haki and can adjust his trajectory mid attack >>>>> a linear light beam that can't change direction after it's fired. Katakuri could see the future but he still had trouble hitting luffy because he could "dodge twice". Future sight isn't perfect when dealing with dynamic situations.

@hypermach7:

A super fast beast who also has observation haki and can adjust his trajectory mid attack >>>>> a linear light beam that can't change direction after it's fired.

You are directly admitting Kaido combat speed is faster then Kizaru's beam.

Katakuri could see the future but he still had trouble hitting luffy because he could "dodge twice"

Thank you for proving my point.

Future sight isn't perfect when dealing with dynamic situations.

This is common sense

You need fast enough movement speed in general

Precog doesn't make you faster. It just helps you predict attacks

Dodging occured after laser is fired

Thank you for proving my point again.

@wushu59: No I'm saying Kadio's attack is better because he's not locked in a linear path not that it's faster. Future sight is good for avoiding unchanging attacks but struggles when the attack can change trajectory.

How does this prove your point? Are you reading some other comment? Luffy being able to avoid an attack by a future sight user illustrates it's weakness and why kaido's attack is better than a linear light beam.

Let me break it down play by play since maybe it's too complicated for you to understand (it's quite simple tho....)

Katakuri attacks luffy. He predicts the path that luffy will take in dodging it. He then adjusts the trajectory of his spear mid thrust. Luffy sees this adjustment and changes how he dodges. In this scenario Katakuri didn't hit luffy. Not because he's slower(he's actually faster), but because he's moving according to a future that is no longer going to happen.

It's the same thing with kaido and luffy. Luffy sees the future that kaido is coming in with the attack. Luffy moves to dodge Kaido's attack, Kaido adjusts for luffy's dodge and luffy doesn't have any time to see the future again and see where the attack is coming from. He can only rely on his actual reactions at this point. This is why the attack barely hits him. Predicting something that is going to move in a straight line is easy. You guys like to tout "real life" but an actual real life example of this exists. Look up the samurai that slices a moving bullet. He doesn't do it by moving faster than it. He predicts the path of the bullet and when it's going to fire and put his blade in that path.

Your point hasn't been proven you are just misunderstanding.

FT > OP > BC

OP>BC>FT

FT are statues and will get blitzed

OP wins --> No way around Zeref's immortality.

BC wins --> No way around Acnologia (assuming FT magic = BC magic, otherwise Yami could very well solo almost everyone with his hax).

@wushu59 said:

Imagine trying to say Kizaru isn't light speed

An imagine trying to say no one scales to him in speed when you literally have characters like Rayleigh matching his every movement

• Having precognition is irrelevant if you are not fast enough to follow through with the movements

This applies to real life and is directly stated in verse

The low ball attempts people try to make on speed of One Piece characters literally makes no sense

Even regular observation haki isn't enough sometimes. If you can't keep up with high speeds even though you can predict them your not tagging or dodging anything.

Black Clover solos these fodder verses.

OP >=< BC >> FT

The only argument ft debaters have of ft not losing is Zeref's immorality which can be countered in soo many ways smh

Half the characters on the Black Clover team are far from god tier.

One Piece.

Fairy Tail stomp the fodders

Literally just false, there are several instances that explicitly show otherwise. Yami reacted to and countered a point-blank light attack after it was fired and when it was meters away, Asta reacted to and blocked an FTL attack from Dark Elf Patri once again after it was fired, Nozel intercepted the same FTL attack with his mercury magic, Yuno weaved through a barrage of light magic attacks and Mereo punched down a barrage of attacks fired right at her without breaking a sweat. The latter three characters have no predictory abilities and the first two are incredibly explicit in Asta/Yami reacting and moving after the attacks were fired. Plus we've seen that Ki doesn't do jack when they're not capable of moving fast enough to do anything. I don't know where the myth that BC characters all need precog to deal with LS came from but it simply isn't true.

But when it comes to catching someone like patri who's adept at using the light movement spell, Even julius who can see the future couldn't catch him.

Also not true, Julius was holding back massively in trying to take Patri alive, something that means he can't use most of his arsenal (since he can't tone it down and it normally instakills people) and something he himself states is hard for him to do against literal fodder. In fact, Julius proves this by tagging Patri in their first encounter with his very first attack. So yeah, the only reason Julius didn't stomp Patri is that he finds it hard to capture people alive even when they're far weaker than him and he can blitz them silly.

@maestromage: Imma just go point by point. The attack Yami reacts to in that page isn't light speed. The only two things patri has that are light speed are his Ray of divine judgement spell and his light speed movement spell. Everything else is an unspecified speed. And we know the ray is the fastest because he emphasized it's speed over all his other attacks and it was stated to be light speed.

Asta's reaction there utilized ki (as well as his own eyes). While he did move after it was fired, The distance his hand move in relation to the the beam would still put it in the rel+ range, and he couldn't have done it at all without predictive techniques.

Nozel's magic is reflective of patri's. The moment it touches any part the light gets sent off in another direction. And you can see in the page you posted that the mercury was already in front of asta and yuno as the attack was fired.

The attacks yuno dodges are not light speed.

The attacks Mereoleona intercepts are not light speed.

There's a difference between an attack that instantly fires from the point of intent, and an attack that has some build up time and can be seen with the naked eye before it even fires. Don't get me wrong BC chars are fast but the reason I say they need predictive techniques to keep up with attacks much faster than them is because it's been stated. Yami directly attributed his ability to react to patri's attacks to ki.

Has nothing to do with his speed. He doesn't all of a sudden drop a speed tier because he's not trying to kill his opponent. He caught patri off guard in during the flash the first time, but in a head on fight Patri was able to completely avoid him. Julius himself even says that Patri is too fast. His activation of the light movement spell happened so rapidly that not even the guy who can see the future could keep up. Also Julius the reason julius said it would be difficult is because of the numbers not because he himself lacks control. Dealing with that many wizards firing different types of magic at his would have been more bothersome to deal with so he just killed some to make it easier on himself.

@hypermach7: Oh I see you're one of those people who thinks half of the light magic attacks aren't LS for no reason. Carry on then

@maestromage: Nah not for no reason. The ray was emphasized to have unavoidable speed. That attack was stated to be light speed. If every other attack Patri did was light speed, then his statement about the speed of the ray is nonsensical. I like to believe that authors know what they are writing so rather than prioritize my own personal assumptions I just go by what's said in the story. The ray is the fastest attack and it's light speed so his other attacks are not light speed. Same with gauche's magic. I've seen a lot of the ftl scaling coming from asta parrying gauche's attacks. And I get it it's a mirror and it uses reflections so light speed. Normally I would make those same assumptions. But because the light swords completely blitzed asta and the light speed ray is even faster, it wouldn't make sense for asta to be able to parry gauche's attacks, but not be able to see the light swords if gauche's attacks were lightspeed.

@hypermach7:

Nah not for no reason. The ray was emphasized to have unavoidable speed. That attack was stated to be light speed. If every other attack Patri did was light speed, then his statement about the speed of the ray is nonsensical. I like to believe that authors know what they are writing so rather than prioritize my own personal assumptions I just go by what's said in the story. The ray is the fastest attack and it's light speed so his other attacks are not light speed.

That entire argument falls apart because of who made the statements. Patri emphasises the speed of the ray but Gauche is the one who states that it's lightspeed. Gauche wasn't there to hear Patri hype up his speed and by his own admission wasn't fast enough to even perceive it; the reason Gauche states that the attack is LS is not because it's faster than all the other attacks, as Gauche couldn't have known that, it's purely because it was a light magic attack. Meaning that the takeaway from this statement should be that light magic is LS as a default.

Same with gauche's magic. I've seen a lot of the ftl scaling coming from asta parrying gauche's attacks. And I get it it's a mirror and it uses reflections so light speed. Normally I would make those same assumptions. But because the light swords completely blitzed asta and the light speed ray is even faster, it wouldn't make sense for asta to be able to parry gauche's attacks, but not be able to see the light swords if gauche's attacks were lightspeed.

Well I agree on that, Gauche's magic being LS wouldn't make any sense given how much the speed of light magic is hyped and given how Asta couldn't even see light magic attacks and yet could casually parry Gauche's attacks.

@maestromage: Regardless of who says it it's all still written by the same person with the intention to convey information to the reader. We have to look at these statements together because aside from what gauche says there isn't any concrete statement of the speed of the attack. But even without Gauche's statement, patri's statement still says that there is a difference in speed between his attacks. The author describing his fastest attack as light speed and everything else as just "super fast" means his other attacks aren't light speed.

@hypermach7:

Regardless of who says it it's all still written by the same person with the intention to convey information to the reader.

That doesn't make what I said any less valid nor does it really even contradict anything. It's a statement meant to convey information sure, but you're assuming that said information is that this attack is LS, which as I've explained wouldn't make sense, and not just that light magic in general is LS.

But even without Gauche's statement, patri's statement still says that there is a difference in speed between his attacks. The author describing his fastest attack as light speed and everything else as just "super fast" means his other attacks aren't light speed.

"The author" didn't say anything, Gauche did. Writers have characters say things that aren't true all the damn time, and by the same logic, "the author" also talked about Patri moving at LS before this, so his fastest attack being LS still doesn't make sense. There is a difference in speed between some attacks, yes, but the series only ever points towards them getting faster, not slower. Case and point, Dark Light Magic is the exact same as light magic but faster and more powerful, yet the characters who face it are still fast enough to deal with it, and Julius straight up accelerated one of Patri's attacks with his time magic and Patri was still fast enough to dodge it. So it makes sense to assume that LS is the baseline speed and it increases from there. Not that one spell is LS and the rest aren't.

@maestromage: Said information is that the attack is light speed when that's literally what was stated. You can't have a statement telling you the fastest attack is light speed and then assume every other attack is also as fast. That just doesn't make sense no matter how you try to spin it. The only things that are directly stated to be light speed are the movement spell (by yami) and the ray (by gauche). Both instances were the author expositing information through the characters. Going by what you're saying, there wouldn't be any reason to take any of the claims of ls at face value, but that's not how I operate.

The fact that the attack is accelerated and patri with the light speed movement spell is still fast enough to dodge it should tell you that the light sword isn't anywhere near light speed. The assumption that lightspeed is the baseline literally throws all the statements out the window. If the author intended for Patri's ray to be ftl he wouldn't have it described as light speed. If he intended for the movement spell to be ftl he wouldn't have it described as light speed. Fact of the matter is that the only concrete light speed statements are for those two techniques. And feats as well as other statements show that they are faster than other light magic spells. You should think real hard about why the author only ever had characters describe the light swords as very fast instead of just saying lightspeed like he did with the ray and movement spell.

The One Piece low balling is amazing.

Luffy alone dodged the Pacifista lasers at base. Those were light speed. Anything arguing otherwise is lowballing. He then later dodges an explosion happening right on in Punk Hazard, further cementing his ability to dodge light speed attacks.

If Luffy is this quick, anyone else above him is at that or higher. The series has been scaling linearly the entire time.

zoro was reacting to light and light speed attacks pretime skip and people are out here saying the top tiers of one piece are slower than light in combat speed

people like reighley who were stated to be 100× stonger than pretime skip luffy with gears and can fight at light speed takes this

Highly doubt OP knows what God Tier means, also lol at whitebeard soloing p FT verse

OT: Acnologia solos BC team and then FT team stomps OP team