@omnihater: he scales above kn8 naruto who over powered chibaku tensei, above naruto who reacted to LS, kakashi who can use chakra control stop internal freezing.
We see that naruto a sasuke could not get on their knees because of the gravity of kaguya dimension, even her could not get on her knees.
Naruto never reacted to LS, that was aimdodging.
Well you can compare random freezing with aokijis freezing, which tied with ace hiken, which scales to his pasive heat that could change the climate of drum island for a whole day.
the databook says naruto reacted to it so nah.plus his novel feat and possibly the delta feat. also his relativistic feat in The Last.
and we cant compare kakashi to a god tier. The drum island snow thing makes no sense since if Ace was actually doing that the snow near his feat and on the nearby buildings wouldve melted.
It was not kaguya gravity, was the gravity of the dimension.
It does not matter either, since fujitora gravity is better than pain and kaguya gravity by feats.
The databook does not said that, the databooks just describe the technique, but naruto didmt reacted to the movement of the technique, all he need to do is read Madara facials movemements and anticipate to ir, which is a easy task because naruto has extrasensorial abilities.
So thats NLF, there not proof of momoshiki surviving to an internal freezing of the aokiji temperature/freezing potency.
Ace feat is valid, since is more a feat of heat potency than temperature itself, you should know the difference between those two terms.
@omnihater: she created the dimension and controls its gravity(she/black zetsu lessened it because it was affecting her aim).
chibaku tensei>fuji's gravity feats.
there's a translation that also mentions he dodged it thanks to 6 paths sage mode boosting his reaction time but I can find it so I wont bring it up. He didnt aimed dodge though, madara's face wasnt saying "hey duck im shooting a beam" he just shot the beam out.
Also anytime naruto uses his senses to anticipate an attack there's "!" beside his head. He even shouts "whoah" implying he wasn't expecting it.
it shows that he has resistance to it, not the he would need it since he can kill aokiji before that becomes and issue.
What are you taking about, either Ace was generating enough heat to change the temperature of the air enough to stop the snow on the whole island or he wasn't.
If she controls his gravity it does not make sense that her gravity affects her.
Fuji literally can bring meteor from outer space and literally lift the rubble from a more than 50km of diameter city, no, chibaku tensei is weaker than that.
Madara needed to inflate his cheeks before throwing his beam of light, naruto reacted to the first movement.
I does not show anything since there nothing in naruto in matter of ice potency or freezing resistance comparable to aokiji freezing potency.
This is something that ignores convencional durability.
Exactly, and to that he does not need to meltdown any house, its like a volcano that can change the air temperature withing his range but that temperature could not meldown houses.
Here comes Eazy2002 and Exauce to claim the Admirals stomp 6path tier characters.
Even though Eazy and Exauce say a lot of stuff I don't agree with this is really pathetic on your part. I've seen you get destroyed in several bleach and onepiece arguments. Your really not the one to talk here.
@omnihater: he scales above kn8 naruto who over powered chibaku tensei
-He did not over power it. He merely borrowed his way out.
above naruto who reacted to LS
-There are no LS naruto characters all LS feats have been debunked on cv.
kakashi who can use chakra control stop internal freezing.
-Show me kakashi slipping out of internal freezing which makes you as feeble as brittle glass or which can cause people with large mountain level physicals to loose limbs by tipping over. Also from what we have seen so far in the series Aokiji's ice ignores conventional durability.
Kakashi has resisted freezing to death from ice particles forming in him through continuous Chakra manipulation and Momoshiki already has Absolute Zero Ice manipulation
Shouldn't the DF be equalized instead? Anyway, Momo is weak in hand 2 hand combat, and Admirals dwarf him in the physical category. Once they exploit that weakness, he'll get bodied in an instant.
Momo easily has speed in the bag, nothing the admirals use against him will be effective seeing as he can either absorb the attacks or repel them. Op High Tiers aren't meant to be compared to Naruto God Tiers
Kakashi has resisted freezing to death from ice particles forming in him through continuous Chakra manipulation and Momoshiki already has Absolute Zero Ice manipulation
When was this?
Besides Naruto and Sasuke got flash frozen in Kaguya's dimension, Momo who scales above them obviously breaks it easily or he evades its AOE
-All admirals are going all out(Akainu was able to stalemate old whitebeard while holding back)
This is fused momoshiki. He could handle them all on his own.
-Akainu defeated Aokiji(who had small country level AoE and was a direct counter to his devil fruit).
Haki=Chakra, meaning all of Momoshiki's jutsu were capable of harming them.
Haki also has the ability to bypass the powers of a Devil Fruit user whose body has been altered by their fruit in any way, such as Logia intangablity or body altering Paramecia, allowing the Haki user to hit the "substantial body" beneath whatever protection the fruit provides.
-Fujitora can pin him to the ground while he gets raped by the other admirals.
Momoshiki could use his Rinnegan to absorb the energy of Fujitora's gravity.
-Equalizing haki and chakra doesn't help momo as it won't enable him absorb any df powers.
No, what enables Momoshiki to absorb them is the ability of the rinnegan to absorb energies from attacks.
Like let's be real here the Admirals stomp. Admirals bloodlusted stomp.
Its the opposite actually, Fused Momoshiki stomps because whatever attack he do is fatal against the admirals.
Its a novel that takes place several months after the war before Sasuke is released from prison and leaves Konoha. The main focus is on Kakashi and Hozuki Castle by the end he decides to take up the mantle of the Sixth Hokage after feeling inadequate for most of the novel.
Because theres nothing that suggest is more impressive than fuji's gravity.
Fujitora with gravity can pull out meteors from outer space and can lift the entire rubble of a several kilometers wide island (around more than 50km), that rubble should had a mass that is several times heaver than pica which is a mountain, and that rubble literally dwarf him in every direction.
Basically kaguya's dimension gravity feat is pull down characters that are weaker physically (talking about lifting strenght to be precisse) that most of OP high tiers or Top tiers.
@woodward: I would have made DF equalized but that would limit them too much as their main moveset are DF abilities. So I made chakra = Haki so he can touch them and I won't hear, "Logia Intag GG"
And Momoshiki's fused form got all the expertise from Kinshiki after eating him
Its a novel that takes place several months after the war before Sasuke is released from prison and leaves Konoha. The main focus is on Kakashi and Hozuki Castle by the end he decides to take up the mantle of the Sixth Hokage after feeling inadequate for most of the novel.
Shouldn't the DF be equalized instead? Anyway, Momo is weak in hand 2 hand combat, and Admirals dwarf him in the physical category. Once they exploit that weakness, he'll get bodied in an instant.
He might be weak in hand to hand against Naruto and Sasuke but I don't think he'll be that weak against the four admirals. He could also utilize his Shadow Imitation Technique to immobilize them.
Because theres nothing that suggest is more impressive than fuji's gravity.
Two things IMO, it pinned Kaguya down, she Lil every other Juubi jin has physicals far above the Juubi and it slowed down a FTL object (Bone Ash) to a near turtles pace
Fujitora with gravity can pull out meteors from outer space and can lift the entire rubble of a several kilometers wide island (around more than 50km), that rubble should had a mass that is several times heaver than pica which is a mountain, and that rubble literally dwarf him in every direction.
You've lost me here. All I see is the range of his DF, why would rubble be heavier than a small mountain?. This is the first time I'm hearing Dressrosa is 50KM, the calcs ive seen don't even put it at half as that.
Basically kaguya's dimension gravity feat is pull down characters that are weaker physically (talking about lifting strenght to be precisse) that most of OP high tiers or Top tiers.
I'll have to disagree with this part, Juubito effortlessly ripped of that barrier made by the Hokage (the barrier tanked a charged TBB) and he shook off the deity gates that pinned the Juubi. That's a strength feat right there, he might have been using chakra arms but it should still count.
No way in hell is momoshiki winning against 4 BLOODLUSTED admirals
A bloodlusted kizaru speedblitz him to oblivion (even if you make a case that he can react..which is hilarious..kizaru still has precognition to boot)
Bloodlusted fujitora would straight up crush his bones to dust (making a case for him having enough physical to not get pinned/ crushed won't mean the increased gravity wont slow him down,fuji could also just yeet him away if he cant pin him plus he still has to deal with a meteor shower)
Bloodlusted aokiji can instantly freeze a small country wide area casually and his ice is far cooler than anything in the naruto verse not even the god tiers can tank him freezing them to the bones instantly
Akainu just straight up bodies him physically
Also they all have forcefields as a form of defense
No way in hell is momoshiki winning against 4 BLOODLUSTED admirals
There's a lot of ways actually. Absorb their devil fruit attacks and then kill them either by turning them into fruit or using his jutsu.
A bloodlusted kizaru speedblitz him to oblivion (even if you make a case that he can react..which is hilarious..kizaru still has precognition to boot)
Fused Momoshiki could easily react. worse since Haki=Chakra, Fused Momoshiki could react to Kizaru's attack and use his Chakra Edible Creation to turn Kizaru to a fruit and eat him.
Bloodlusted fujitora would straight up crush his bones to dust (making a case for him having enough physical to not get pinned/ crushed won't mean the increased gravity wont slow him down,fuji could also just yeet him away if he cant pin him plus he still has to deal with a meteor shower)
Fused Momoshiki could simply absorb Issho's gravitational attack and blitz him like what Fused Momoshiki do against the 4 kages. He could also turn Issho to a fruit and eat him.
Bloodlusted aokiji can instantly freeze a small country wide area casually and his ice is far cooler than anything in the naruto verse not even the god tiers can tank him freezing them to the bones instantly
Fused Momoshiki could simply use his Rinnegan to absorb Aokiji's AoE.
Two things IMO, it pinned Kaguya down, she Lil every other Juubi jin has physicals far above the Juubi and it slowed down a FTL object (Bone Ash) to a near turtles pace
Juubi jins literally dont had any lifting strenght feats thats suggest their at OP level lifting strenght when a low tier can lift 10,000 tons with one hand.
Theres nothing FLT in naruto, since theres no statement or feat to back up that, even the most faster technique of Madara is just LS by statements, and kaguya has no LS technique by statements or feats.
You've lost me here. All I see is the range of his DF, why would rubble be heavier than a small mountain?. This is the first time I'm hearing Dressrosa is 50KM, the calcs ive seen don't even put it at half as that.
Its no about range, is about gravity atraction force, fujitora can pin down a meteor from outer space when his position is on earth, and the meteor position is probably hundred of kilometers away, you need to generate even more gravity force than the earth to pin down a meteor that the earth itseft cant pin down with his gravity while the meteor has his trayectory in outer space.
More volume is equal to more mass.
Is not the same a mountain which is rock within its volumen, the 3 dimensions of pica just measure hundred of meters, but the 3 dimensions of dressrosa rubble measure more than several kilometers, so they final mass would be more than a mountain, since the mountain is rock and rubble is contrete their density is very similar so if concrete has significative more volumen than the mountain, it would be more heavier.
And for the size of dressrosa, law, caesar, robin and ussop took 40 min running to cross the bridge between dressrosa and greenbit while they were is some random point (not at the begining of the bridge, they did started to cross it before running for 40 min), humans con run 28km/h (we all know that in Op are superhumans, but this should be fine), and the size of the dressrosa is more than 2 times that bridge.
Son it should be around that size aprox 50km.
I'll have to disagree with this part, Juubito effortlessly ripped of that barrier made by the Hokage (the barrier tanked a charged TBB) and he shook off the deity gates that pinned the Juubi. That's a strength feat right there, he might have been using chakra arms but it should still count.
Yes, but that was because used the principle of "concentrated damage" (Hachibi did explain this), obito did just grab specific points of the barrier and apply pressure to that part of the barrier causing fractures in that small area, and thanks to that damage, the barrier falls apart completely because it loses its integrity.
And even ignoring that i does not make sense that his chakra arms were stronger than a his juubidama, because even naruto with BSM who is definitly weaker than juubito, could deflect appart one of his chakra arms, with one kurama tail. (not prime Kumara tail>chakra arm> charged Juubidama, the most powerful attack of the juubi xd ??)
And for the feat of deity gates, again it could thanks to the fact tha juubito can concetrate the power of the juubi, and when it comes to concetrated damage it need less energy to deal damage, so he dont necesary neas to had more power than a juubidama.
But even ignoring that, juubi does no hat any physical relevant ligfting ot strinking feat that puts him to OP high tiers or tp tiers in these two specific areas.
all his feats are because energy feats, which he cant translate to physical force beacause the juubi does not know how to concentrate his energy (said by hachibi)
-I would appreciate if you posted gifs or something. But most of these are irrelevant to admirals. Also if you want to bring up debate don't just name random attacks. Name the attacks then tell me why it would affect the admirals.
People understand, bloodlusted admirals *cough* kizaru blitzes him to oblivion *cough*. Logia intangibility is a thing. All physical attacks would be irrelevant to 75% of the admirals. Momo can't even absorb their attacks for obvious reasons. The advantage he has is chakra being equalized to chakra which I can only assume that this means momo has Armament haki and momo get bodied by Akainu in physicals.
@omnihater: you're acting like kaguya's the first character in history to be affected by their own.
chibaku tensei uprooted a mountain range worth of stone and bedrock from the earth and compressed it into a ball. lifting a city's worth of rubble doesn't come anywhere close to that.
madara making any motion before the attack or naruto anticipating it is never shown, what we do see is that naruto was clearly surprised by it which would make no sense if he was aim dodging.
we're just gonna have to agree to disagree on the freezing thing since we're just gonna go in circles.
youre gonna need to show me an example of a volcano heating up something inches away from its heat.
Im no acting like that, im saying that if kaguya could manipulate and control the gravity, she should be no affected by it, just like fujitora, so it is not her gravity, is the gravity of the dimension which she cant control.
Again, i already explained why fujitora feats is better, contrete (rubble) and rock (mountains) has a very similar density, so the best feat is decided by the volume of it, and that chibau tensei is not near close to be 50km diameter just like dressrosa rubble, so yes, Fujitora feat is better in terms of lifting force, because that chibaku does not measure anywhere close to dressrosa size.
As we dont see naruto reacting to the movement of the beam either, we just naruto evading the beam or the result, so that could be aimdodging as i explained, btw he will still suprise because again he didnt react to the beam of light an he just evade it because he saw madaras previus momevents, thats he was "surprised" (not IMO, but ok, i dont take exclamations too literally as you).
the volcani thing was an example, again, to meldown houses you need highers temp to just change the temperature of the clouds, to be precisse you just to had 5c° in the climate to stop the snowing.
to meldown houses you need like more than 1000c°....
How do people think momoshiki can beat the admirals?
by using his Rinnegan and the techniques he had absorbed.
*He can't. He has only shown the ability to absorb chakra based attacks. Before you come in with "haki was equalized with chakra", haki=/=devil fruit.
-Momo cannot react to kizaru(that's a fact)
No, Momoshiki could easily react against both Sasuke and Naruto. (at least in the anime)
Remember Naruto ch 674 when Naruto reacted and evade an attack((Senpō: Ranton Kōga) that is on the speed of light. Source: Fourth Databook, page 321
-Naruto reacting to a lightbeam does not put him as lightspeed in travel speed it just shows he has lightspeed reaction. So there is no way he is reacting to Kizaru.
Or he could easily stop the time as shown in Boruto ch 10.
*If time stopped how are boruto and naruto still moving? Also I feel very certain that your taking that this time stop out of context can you elaborate on what is happening above? If he could do this what stopped him from time freezing naruto and sasuke and making quick work of them?
-Aokiji has instant small country level AoE
Momoshiki could absorb those AoE.
*He can't. As I said Chakra=/=Devil fruit. Also assuming he could absorb them how the hell is momo suppose to hurt logias with there own df powers? Even by amping them he can't do shit.
-With Observation haki none of them are getting tagged
*Observation haki as I said. They can all for see the shadow and either blitz or evade. Plus in the scan above its shown naruto and friends are basically standing In one place. The admirals are bloodlusted you think they are here to make discussion? Also what stopped him from using it on naruto and sasuke to immobilize them during their fight?
-All admirals are going all out(Akainu was able to stalemate old whitebeard while holding back)
This is fused momoshiki. He could handle them all on his own.
*You really don't know do you. Whitebeards quake punches were causing earthquakes on islands at multi-country wide distances. And Akainu(who is holding back) stopped 2 of these attacks and even took one to the head. Momo gets bodied physically by the Akainu alone.
-Akainu defeated Aokiji(who had small country level AoE and was a direct counter to his devil fruit).
Haki=Chakra, meaning all of Momoshiki's jutsu were capable of harming them.
*No, haki and chakra can't be equated to each other in that sense. They work fundamentally in different ways. Momo will be able to hit them with his own physical attacks but it was never shown in the series that devil fruit users can imbue their devil fruit abilities(not bodies) with haki. And as we know momo gets bodied b admirals in physicals. Infact worst case scenario admirals have observation haki and can use it with their logia properties to evade any attacks.
Haki also has the ability to bypass the powers of a Devil Fruit user whose body has been altered by their fruit in any way, such as Logia intangablity or body altering Paramecia, allowing the Haki user to hit the "substantial body" beneath whatever protection the fruit provides.
*As I said above you can imbue your devil fruit abilities(not body) with haki. You can only coat physical attacks with armament haki.
-Fujitora can pin him to the ground while he gets raped by the other admirals.
Momoshiki could use his Rinnegan to absorb the energy of Fujitora's gravity.
*How do you absorb gravity lol. And also I've debunked this.
-Equalizing haki and chakra doesn't help momo as it won't enable him absorb any df powers.
No, what enables Momoshiki to absorb them is the ability of the rinnegan to absorb energies from attacks.
*Debunked.
Like let's be real here the Admirals stomp. Admirals bloodlusted stomp.
Its the opposite actually, Fused Momoshiki stomps because whatever attack he do is fatal against the admirals.
*While Kizaru is blitzing the hell out of momo(at which point he does not know where the f he at) the admirals proceed to gang rape him.
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