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Lets see. In the Canon comic of Tick vs Invincible Viltrum War Invincible at that, weaker than Omni Man for context, we see Invincible kick a moon.
Viltrumite War Mark hurls Tick and himself with enough force to kick this dwarfs planet/moon size planetoid out of its orbit, through swath of space, and onto the surface of Mars. Tick himself is only building busting level in comics, Stated twice his only real super power is nigh-invulnerability, toon force like durability. Also stated by the Martian that Tick is inferior to Martian's strength and power, however a Viltrumite is the most powerful being in Tick universe by comparison by said Martian. So we see Mark was using Tick's as a nigh invulnerable bullet. Momentum which Mark had to create with his own strength. This feat of throwing Tick with the needed force and kicking moon with Tick as a glorified bullet is all Invincible power. This feat is actual canon. https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/invincible-crossover-canon-2262961/
Mean Supreme is a character who showed the power to bust worlds. Respect Thread here for Mean Supreme (Liefeld Supreme) and the inferior and weaker Moore Supreme. https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/supreme-respect-thread-2193843/ In the previous comic, Omni-Man fights into a stalemate Mean Supreme who never holds back and destroyed Suprema. This feat is actual canon. https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/invincible-crossover-canon-2262961/
Viltrumite War Mark and Omni Man feat of durability and power. Planet Viltrum is 1.5 the gravity of Earth, which makes it by calcs 3-6 times denser than Earth. Thaddeus states they need to reach the core of the planet at same time as Space Rider energy beam or die on impact with the denser than Earth planet core. The energy beam only used to destabilize the core, which would re stabilize near instantly. The Omni-Man, Thaddeus, and Invincible physically punch through the planet at light speeds by art. The last scan also confirms the trio indeed "punch through a planet".
Omni Man comfortable solos the OPM verse :)
And Bump.
This is a really bad matchup for Nolan. He's outclassed both in combat speed and skill, and if you look at the consistent feats from Invincible in his own series, in AP aswell. Even if you take the crossovers as his consistent feats, he has no defense for Garou's internal damage techniques, in fact, Viltrumites are weaker in the inside than the outside as proven by Robot:
Garou specializes in internal attacks, and has planetary AP with them. Nolan isn't tanking those. Garou also has pressure points techniques which Nolan hasn't shown resistance to. Garou has also tanked multiple normal punches from Saitama, which have been shown to be multicontinental against Boros and small planetary against Orochi, so it will be difficult for Nolan to harm him. Even if Nolan does hurt Garou, he can regenerate almost instantly, and Nolan can't overcome that. The only chance Nolan has is if he bullrushes Garou into the sun at max speed, but he's never done that, and Garou can fly now. Garou takes this 9.5/10
This is a really bad matchup for Nolan. He's outclassed both in combat speed and skill, and if you look at the consistent feats from Invincible in his own series, in AP aswell. Even if you take the crossovers as his consistent feats, he has no defense for Garou's internal damage techniques, in fact, Viltrumites are weaker in the inside than the outside as proven by Robot:
Garou specializes in internal attacks, and has planetary AP with them. Nolan isn't tanking those. Garou also has pressure points techniques which Nolan hasn't shown resistance to. Garou has also tanked multiple normal punches from Saitama, which have been shown to be multicontinental against Boros and small planetary against Orochi, so it will be difficult for Nolan to harm him. Even if Nolan does hurt Garou, he can regenerate almost instantly, and Nolan can't overcome that. The only chance Nolan has is if he bullrushes Garou into the sun at max speed, but he's never done that, and Garou can fly now. Garou takes this 9.5/10
Interesting, can I see the internal attack abilities? This may be the only legit counter.
Also how is Omni Man slower? How???
Viltrumites are stated able to practically ignore laws of Inertia, and move at high speeds near what seems instantaneous time frame.
Omni-Man's speed is stated to ignore gravity, and stated that near light speeds Omni-Man has lightspeed reaction due to time dilation that comes with traveling at those speeds. Omni-Man speed can by pass Speed of Light due to the sub space jumping of his atoms.
Allen is stated to attain near light speed in space, as well on planets, but reaching such speeds would damage the planet from his speed alone, so he does not go fast on planets intentionally to not damage them though he can.
Stated even characters like Allen much like Viltrumites reflexes are proportion to the speeds he attains. Faster Allen is going the faster his reflexes.
The super power villain Cho was so fast that he can land 100 punches in what appeared to be 1 punch. Even when Robot slowed footage down by x100, the villain was still appearing as a multi image. Robot states this is close to Viltrumite Combat Speed.
Racer tracks and follows a low level Viltrumite flying from one solar system to another, meaning traveling at FTL Speeds. Speeds shown in the panels. Space Racer at these speeds even navigates through a asteroid field.
Racer stated he could somewhat keep track of the battle across the planet at rapid rates between Battle Beast and Thragg. Thats Viltrumite Speed.
Viltrumite War Mark again in one page flies so fast the stars are blurs.
As stated the planets are moving so fast they are blurs. Moving FTL speeds across the galaxy. Viltrumites many light years away locked on to this ship, and bull rush it. The ship tries to change course at FTL speeds, and the Viltrumites simply reacted and follow the course change. Ramming the ship. The escape ship in the last scan proves the ship that was destroyed never slowed in FTL speeds since Mark notice the escape ship was moving faster then the original ship. A clear FTL reaction and attack feat.
Viltrumite War Mark and Omni Man in a clear showing of on panel lightspeed, is able to keep up with the Laser, Thaddeus, and Omni-Man. A showing of reaction and combat speed as Mark is smiling to his father as his father helps pull him closer.
Wow thats alot of combat, and reaction and flight speed so far beyond OMP.
@akz:
So you still want to pretend they canty go faster than Mach whatever in Atmosphere? Ok.
So we have Kirkmen writing Allen stating if too close on planet they can ruin it at FTL speeds. In space this wouldn't matter, as we seen them in space just going near lightspeed next to planets, so must be the fact they are in the Planets field somewhere.
And yet again we see Kirkmen showing insane speed use on a planet like Viltrum. The art is clear and suggest they went slower than Speed of light is dishonest.
Something he never does on Earth. A feat from the Show WRITTEN BY KIRKMEN!!!!!
Thats faster than Mach 10, Mach 1000, Mach 10,000. Alot faster.
Explained above, and why was Earth not damaged with OM and Supreme’s clash? I mean artist wanted to show a shockwave did occur, why make it a small one knowing their power levels?
Same reason why Superman can bench a planet but struggle with mountain busting damage on Earth vs other foes. Same reason Planet busting Saitama cant bust Earth at all with serious punches. Same reason why Hulk never busts earth but magically fights to the limits planet and continent busters with city level damage lmao. Not a good counter, this applies to OPM fights too smh.
I don’t think you read OPM to know about his different forms.
Webcomic is the only other form with "possible lightspeed" and has many more feats than Manga, Yet there the feats are also questionable, thats why Manga is use in battle forums. So not a good point.
It’s stated that Garou was creating hundreds of light constellation with FF and PS. Boom, no calc needed. Let’s not pretend you don’t use calcs as well, like you tried to use mine against me a few days ago for Mark. You damn well know I like Invincible more than OPM, nice try though.
Wow sounds like fancy flowery HYPERBOLE to me. How about time and distance? Nothing? How about simple easy to read they are FTL statement? No? Hmmm....
So you think Star Level KE is not inconsistent? Bullshit. He could’ve solo’d the Viltrum feat millions of times over then.
Is it insane high end? Sure. Makes sense? Nope. But we allow it for OPM high ends....
I ignore outliers, as well as anti-feats (which you do too, except you consider outliers). Only thing I take is within the middle in the consistency spectrum. Garou has dozen times less appearances than Nolan.
Its bias. Simple as that. Invincible is the closest thing to Manga in Western Comics.
But in the end we chose Garou feats as gospel and want to hand wave Invincible high ends. Totally fair and not bias. The fact we have to rely on Garou 1-2 feats to say he wins and ignore Omni Man and marks high ends and statements is bullshit. Pure and simple.
Why you being so hostile and irked all the time?
This is classic me actually. Also you disappointed me. Like really let me down here. Let me ask you this. if we accepted the "high ends/outliers" would Omni Man win? If we ignore the 1-2 high ends feats of Garou could he win? Think about it.
@thedailybagel: As above anyone wanting and choose to side with 1-2 calc feats for Garou but ignored the multiple ones for Omni Man favor, thats bias. Pure and simple.
Lets compare high ends to high ends only. Oh wait Garou gets thrashed hard then... thats right. The Invincible bias still going strong lol.
@kaijuking
Show me. Im thinking of another feat.
While your at it show me several more feats of clear time and desistance,
or stated flat out light speed. So I know its not a Outlier. Fair is fair since all of Omni man feats are outliers here.
Outside of feats there is also scaling that puts other OPM characters that i didn't show at LS/FTL.
@kaijuking
Show me. Im thinking of another feat.
While your at it show me several more feats of clear time and desistance,
or stated flat out light speed. So I know its not a Outlier. Fair is fair since all of Omni man feats are outliers here.
Outside of feats there is also scaling that puts other OPM characters that i didn't show at LS/FTL.
cough cough...
Even on Space Battles people get different numbers lol. fan calc...not clear at all lmao.
Omni-Man is stated to left Earth with only two weeks to hold his breath. In that two weeks Omni-Man sat around in space, and then finds a habitable planet that Earth has not discovered yet far away.
Earth to Pluto is around 7.5 billion kilometers in less than two weeks. CLEAR AND PRECISE TIME AND DISTANCE and that lowballing as Omni Man went to nearest planet lightyears away under two weeks lololol.
@kaijuking
Show me. Im thinking of another feat.
While your at it show me several more feats of clear time and desistance,
or stated flat out light speed. So I know its not a Outlier. Fair is fair since all of Omni man feats are outliers here.
Outside of feats there is also scaling that puts other OPM characters that i didn't show at LS/FTL.
cough cough...
Even on Space Battles people get different numbers lol. fan calc...not clear at all lmao.
Omni-Man is stated to left Earth with only two weeks to hold his breath. In that two weeks Omni-Man sat around in space, and then finds a habitable planet that Earth has not discovered yet far away.
7.5 billion kilometers in less than two weeks. CLEAR AND PRECISE TIE AND DISTANCE lololol.
Even on Space Battles people get different numbers lol. fan calc...not clear at all lmao.
This doesn't disprove anything tbh. The fact that there are multiple calcs on this feat and none of the results of said calc are even below FTL should give you the idea that this feat is not below FTL at all.
Omni-Man is stated to left Earth with only two weeks to hold his breath. In that two weeks Omni-Man sat around in space, and then finds a habitable planet that Earth has not discovered yet far away.
7.5 billion kilometers in less than two weeks. CLEAR AND PRECISE TIE AND DISTANCE lololol.
Travel speed does not correlate to combat speed. This is a clear travel speed feat.
Travel speed does not correlate to combat speed. This is a clear travel speed feat.
As long he is moving at that speed he can fight and react at that speed. Kirkmen confirms this, Three times!!!
And...
And...
You only have a point if Omni Man refuses to use his speed. Too bad he will.
Red Rush has one of the fastest reaction and combat times in the comic. As seen he can hold a conversation with his girlfriend while running over Russia saving people and beating villains. Red Rush was so fast his girlfriend never notice he was moving at all to save the day at first. In the Guardians lair, Omni man speed wise blitzes all the Guardians including the speedy Red Rush, and Immortal who also has super speed could not even see Omni-Man do it.
Invincible states his father in the Flaxan fight was so fast that he seem to appear where he was needed.
Too bad he will.
Travel speed does not correlate to combat speed. This is a clear travel speed feat.
As long he is moving at that speed he can fight and react at that speed. Kirkmen confers this, Three times!!!
And...
And...
You only have a point if Omni Man refuses to use his speed. Too bad he will.
I did not know about the second scan u posted. Is it legit? and is the consistent speed feats in invincible are in the same degree as this feat? because it could be an outlier after all, just asking.
Travel speed does not correlate to combat speed. This is a clear travel speed feat.
As long he is moving at that speed he can fight and react at that speed. Kirkmen confers this, Three times!!!
And...
And...
You only have a point if Omni Man refuses to use his speed. Too bad he will.
I did not know about the second scan u posted. Is it legit? and is the consistent speed feats in invincible are in the same degree as this feat? because it could be an outlier after all, just asking.
Could it be outlier? Thats the question. These characters have high ends and low ends like most comics. What we know for facts is these characters have stated speed reaction equal to speed they are going, and they can go MFTL in space and lightspeed or faster on planet though it will heavily damage or destroy said planet as Kirkmen wrote three times for Viltrum, Bio, and Show feats.
My point remains, if we use Garou best feats, then fair is fair for Omni Man. At least these Omni man feats are consistent as in the More Than Once in statements how their speed works, in time and distance for flying around, and use in combat.
If we compare the two best feat for feat (whether statements, scaling or calcs) and how their powers work, I think Omni man clearly wins. We have to take Garou best feats and nerf Omni Man best feats for Garou to win then. Thats says alot. IMO
Travel speed does not correlate to combat speed. This is a clear travel speed feat.
As long he is moving at that speed he can fight and react at that speed. Kirkmen confers this, Three times!!!
And...
And...
You only have a point if Omni Man refuses to use his speed. Too bad he will.
I did not know about the second scan u posted. Is it legit? and is the consistent speed feats in invincible are in the same degree as this feat? because it could be an outlier after all, just asking.
Could it be outlier? Thats the question. These characters have high ends and low ends like most comics. What we know for facts is these characters have stated speed reaction equal to speed they are going, and they can go MFTL in space and lightspeed or faster on planet though it will heavily damage or destroy said planet as Kirkmen wrote three times for Viltrum, Bio, and Show feats.
My point remains, if we use Garou best feats, then fair is fair for Omni Man. At least these Omni man feats are consistent as in the More Than Once in statements how their speed works, in time and distance for flying around, and use in combat.
If we compare the two best feat for feat (whether statements, scaling or calcs) and how their powers work, I think Omni man clearly wins. We have to take Garou best feats and nerf Omni Man best feats for Garou to win then. Thats says alot. IMO
Could it be outlier? Thats the question. These characters have high ends and low ends like most comics. What we know for facts is these characters have stated speed reaction equal to speed they are going, and they can go MFTL in space and lightspeed or faster on planet though it will heavily damage or destroy said planet as Kirkmen wrote three times for Viltrum, Bio, and Show feats.
Can you show another feat on this level then? if you can and its the actual consistent speed in invincible then its obv not an outlier.
These characters have high ends and low ends like most comics
Every series has high ends and low ends. But in the invincible case that we are talking about if this high end speed feat is not consistent with other invincible speed feats then its an outlier i believe. If this said low ends overcome the high end then the scaling starts to get bad and wonky inverse and the said low ends become the consistent level where invincible characters scale to IMO.
My point remains, if we use Garou best feats,
the thing is Garou's best feats are his own consistency tho. While comics have a lot of low ends which fucks up the scaling, and again if the low ends overcome the high ends then said low ends become the consistent level where the characters operate at.
. At least these Omni man feats are consistent as in the More Than Once in statements how their speed works, in time and distance for flying around, and use in combat.
Ok if this feat that you showed me is the consistent speed in invincible then can you show me another feat as good as this? if you can i'll concede.
Interesting enough, most people dont think this OMG WTH Garou feat is planetary it seems.
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