Old school gangsters VS modern gangsters

What's tougher and meaner between todays modern gangsters or the good old classic gangsters?

Define classic, do you mean like "Wild wild west" classic or "Prohibition era" classic?

@The_Emerald_Soviet: Godfather classic

what are modern gangsters? a bunch of homeys? or some mexican cholos?

There are no modern gangsters just street thugs pulling bulls$&@ liquor store robberies and selling drugs...not even close,,Murder INC. would eat these so called modern gangsters for breakfast

@Bane_of_sith said:

There are no modern gangsters just street thugs pulling bulls$&@ liquor store robberies and selling drugs...not even close,,Murder INC. would eat these so called modern gangsters for breakfast

This.

Modern Gangs are highly indiscipline, uneducated, and due to made up of 90% younger people more stupid.

Older Gangs were made up of intelligent people with a wide connection and loads of money to get what they want. Bribe Cops, Vehicles, Weapons, Bail Money, LAWYERS, etc.

Older Gangsters like Capone, Dillinger, and even Bonnie and Clyde have accomplish more and require a Government effort to be put down.

Modern Gangs are little Bands of warring factions for their little piece of turf. They are dealt with on a Local Police level.

What kind of thread is this? I'm real lost.

If we are talking actual confrontation...modern gangs take this easily, classic gangs were somewhat classy and conspicuous no where near as ruthless as modern day Mexican gangs.

Old Gangsters would curbstomp, seriously.

They have connections like crazy, and feats like having Mayors under their control.

People saying Old Gangsters weren't ruthless are silly; if anything they were more ruthless but sadistic with it too.

Not to mention they are suave and well dressed, the only thing Modern gangsters have going for them are modern weapons.

Old Gangsters would curbstomp, seriously.

They have connections like crazy, and feats like having Mayors under their control.

People saying Old Gangsters weren't ruthless are silly; if anything they were more ruthless but sadistic with it too.

Not to mention they are suave and well dressed, the only thing Modern gangsters have going for them are modern weapons.

@Pwok21 said:

Old Gangsters would curbstomp, seriously.

They have connections like crazy, and feats like having Mayors under their control.

People saying Old Gangsters weren't ruthless are silly; if anything they were more ruthless but sadistic with it too.

Not to mention they are suave and well dressed, the only thing Modern gangsters have going for them are modern weapons.

@IZZR:

Actually if you bothered to read the OP you would notice that this isn't a confrontation.

This is about behaviour and how ruthless they can be, which Old Gangsters curbstomp.

Learn2read kthnxbai.

Modern Gangstas.

well im guessing the current Russian mob or triad or yakuza would take out the classic gangsters because they have more modern weapons.

alot of people believe "old school gangsters to be this top tier criminal organization but they really are not the time difference is the big factor and the "old school mobsters" dont have the man power or weapons to stand up to modern times.

alot of people also confuse street thugs with actual gangsters.

old school mobsters are far too glamorized. for time they were a force to be afraid of but in modern times they are the not.

this would be a very entertaining deadliest warrior episode

@IZZR:

Actually if you bothered to read the OP you would notice that this isn't a confrontation.

This is about behaviour and how ruthless they can be, which Old Gangsters curbstomp.

Learn2read kthnxbai.

@IZZR: A bunch of untrained, uneducated youths or some real gangsters with real money and power who make history? Classic wins every time.

@CadenceV2: I agree with you

What's the difference? They are all ghetto anyway.

@chaos-soul: Sorry mate but weapons arent much of a factor , When Egypt attacked Israel they had the most modern weapons of the time while Israel had a pile of ww2 junk and they massacred egypt, Men win wars not guns. some of the older gangsters made history and the goverment had to clamp down to take them on. You dont here anything like that anymore, modern gangs are nothing.

@AmazingScrewOnHead said:

@chaos-soul: Sorry mate but weapons arent much of a factor , When Egypt attacked Israel they had the most modern weapons of the time while Israel had a pile of ww2 junk and they massacred egypt, Men win wars not guns. some of the older gangsters made history and the goverment had to clamp down to take them on. You dont here anything like that anymore, modern gangs are nothing.

They are ghetto, vicious, and dangerous.

@IZZR: A bunch of untrained, uneducated youths or some real gangsters with real money and power who make history? Classic wins every time.

@IZZR said:

@AmazingScrewOnHead said:

@IZZR: A bunch of untrained, uneducated youths or some real gangsters with real money and power who make history? Classic wins every time.

Sorry....uneducated?!!! LMAO!!!!!!! Do you really believe the classic gangsters were educated??? Oh lord.

+1 The 1930's suffered a rate of illiteracy that is 700% more the today.

@IZZR said:

@AmazingScrewOnHead said:

@IZZR: A bunch of untrained, uneducated youths or some real gangsters with real money and power who make history? Classic wins every time.

Sorry....uneducated?!!! LMAO!!!!!!! Do you really believe the classic gangsters were educated??? Oh lord.

+1 The 1930's suffered a rate of illiteracy that is 700% more the today.

@MasterJohn: Yeah, Italian mobsters are soooooo ghetto. You sound halfway like you're implying something.

Old School gangsters had style, intelligence and class. They could control entire towns. Modern gangsters are retarded teenage to young adults who are obsessed with their petty neighborhood corner.

In management and brains? Old School. In firepower and ruthlessness? New School.

@IZZR said:

No way there is nothing that Classic gangsters did that modern gangsters do not do to an even grittier degree. Thanks for the sarcasm dipsh*t.

The body trails left behind suggest so; because the whole point is that they had the Police under their thumb to the point where they could do MUCH worse.

Also swearing is real intelligent there friend, almost scared me into not replying.

@chaos-soul: its funny but Yakuza, Russian Mob, and Ittalan Mob are all Classic Gangst that are still around and rule in parts of the world.

Crypts and Bloods are the biggest Modern Gangs in America and are just Thugs. Over 70% of Gangs are State wide at best and are Ethnic background with limited members.

So listing Classic Gang style (and case of Yakuza Classic lasting to modern) from the top Crime Organisations in the Modern World proves the point.

First-off... This should be in the off-topic. Secondly, if by modern we include the Russian Mafia, then I would see it as a win for the modern ones. Yes the early days of Cosa Nostra's Commission days were strong. But they relied mostly on good leadership. When Costello (Luciano's successor) retired, the Five families only had one great leadership (Capo di tutti Capi) left in Carlo Gambino. After that, it all went downhill. Russian mafia, on the other hand, is like a hydra. Kill one, others come up. Take the Russians out and I see it as a win for the Mafia.

Another thing we need to put into consideration is the member count. Yes, Cosa Nostra was more organized. But The street gangs today outnumber the mafia in it's hayday at least 20 to one. That's a pretty damn huge margin. So if we just use the street gangs against the five families (plus Buffalo and Chicago Outfit), then, although I see it as a win for the older generation, would not be as easy as some might think.

Also, where do we categorize Triads and Yakuza? They seem to be both old-school and modern.

@CadenceV2 said:

@chaos-soul: its funny but Yakuza, Russian Mob, and Ittalan Mob are all Classic Gangst that are still around and rule in parts of the world.

Crypts and Bloods are the biggest Modern Gangs in America and are just Thugs. Over 70% of Gangs are State wide at best and are Ethnic background with limited members.

So listing Classic Gang style (and case of Yakuza Classic lasting to modern) from the top Crime Organisations in the Modern World proves the point.

How is Russian Mob considered modern when Crypts are even older than them? Yes the Thieves Guild pre-dated a lot of Street Gangs but the Russian "Mafia" only became an organized crime entity towards the end of the Cold War. Before that, it was just a prison gang.

I have been near my fair share of current "gangs", in all honesty. Most of them were punks, and thought that a gun made them god. Classic Gangsters stomp hard.

Classic ftw. Are there even groups as powerful as the mafia in america still they seem to be more like groups of gangs rather than powerful orginazations. But that's not true in other parts of the world though.

@RoyHarperBLOW said:

Classic ftw. Are there even groups as powerful as the mafia in america still they seem to be more like groups of gangs rather than powerful orginazations. But that's not true in other parts of the world though.

Republicans and Democrats? Nyahahahahahaha!

@ssejllenrad: Crips ben around since 1971 and is still a Gang with Infighting and small turf wars with WAY LESSER gangs.

Russian Mob is a collection of Crime Syndicates from WW2 and betond. Its not something that sprout over night at the end of the Cold War. It has roots way before that guy.

@CadenceV2 said:

@ssejllenrad: Crips ben around since 1971 and is still a Gang with Infighting and small turf wars with WAY LESSER gangs.

Russian Mob is a collection of Crime Syndicates from WW2 and betond. Its not something that sprout over night at the end of the Cold War. It has roots way before that guy.

I know that. But it was never a powerhouse outside the prisons and not a "mob" until the fall of USSR. It wasn't the Russian Mafia back then. It was the Thieves Guild. It was "organized criminals" and not "organized crime". It was only given the chance to be syndicate due to the fall of Soviet and gained support from desperate former Soviet officials and all that. All I'm saying is it's modern. It's not a street gang. It's organized and resembles more the Cosa Nostra of Luciano but it's modern.

Old-Time gangsters had the connections to put the Government itself against today's "Gangsta's" who for the most part are unorganized,keep warring to themselves and die of OD, rarely getting closer to the kind of Fortune/Political power of the great ones of the old days.

The ones that do are because they are much more cunning than the rest of them.

The criminal organizations that are powerful today,are the ones whose members have a sense of honor and loyalty(Triads,Russian Mob),the ones that people are citing above are thugs don't attain that much power because whn they grow they normally split up and star warring between them.

Old-Timers wins unless you put them against the powerful criminal organizations of today(Yakuza,The triads,russian mob)which operate almost under the same rules of Prohibiton-era mobs.

Modern, though the old school gangsters were more cunning

Modern. Though old school got lot more accomplished and actually had goals. Whereas modern day gangsters all about drugs, prostitution, alcohol and dominance. Money and influence makes people, and leadership is an alien concept.

@rxdking said:

This is the most ignorant picture I've ever seen in my life.

Also, Modern the numbers speak for themselves.

if you mean old school gangster like from godfather then old school would kill them...

@superman52445: How?

Definitely classic gangsters. I don't see how this is debatable.

they are more organizated, and more rich...

@thelaughingman_aoi: I don't see any reasonable claims from you.

/ this isn't a "Put them in a arena with their weapons and let them fight it out, it's a "What's tougher and meaner" concept.

Just throwing this out there to put some reality into the situation. The Amount of gang members in America alone is 1.4 million people. That is bigger than the population of some countries. If we're comparing that to a standing army, that would be the 2nd largest army in the world. If we were to single out one gang we would have a legitimate argument but you just said modern gangs in general.The mafia in their prime never had close to that many members. Then you also have to take into consideration the technology gap. No matter how organized the old school mafia, they aren't taking out 1.4million people with modern weapons and some with body armor.

@rxdking: even if we are going by that then we can base that on murder rate which modern gangs also have by a large margin. Initiation process also is a lot tougher, you have to be able to take a beating from people in the gang in order to get in. Older gangs were more intelligent and organized but they aren't tougher and meaner.

You're right.

Older gangs were more intelligent. That's what made them tougher and meaner. They literally controlled citys, politicians, hell even had ties with the president. If someone messed up on a job, consequences were huge. If an hit were ordered, they would blast the whole place and kill families and torture people for speaking out of place.

Although i do admit some modern day gangs like the "yakuza" or "ms-13" etc are just inhumane altogether.

It's a back and forth battle. I agree with parts of what you said/ vice versa i'd like to assume.

Yeah sure guys, but back in in the real world...

I’d be way more terrified of the Latin Kings, 18th street, MS-13, Yakuza, Triad etc. than the Italian or Irish Mob.

Yakuza is a classic gang, that's still around.

but yea I agree, classic gangs had a code that they followed, the newer gangs will kill for a lot less.