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#1 Edited by Smoke-W (414 posts) - - Show Bio
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Standard gear, all abilities allowed, they are fighting all out, and the fight is to the death. The fight takes place on Yavin IV.

Who wins and why?

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#3 Posted by darthbane77 (2114 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol. Kas'im spites.

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#4 Posted by foxerdes (10247 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh..

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#5 Posted by LordOfTheLight (2678 posts) - - Show Bio

His abilities grew throughout his life, as per Starwars.com. Which means that Rebels Maul is more powerful than TCW Maul. That constitutes a stomp, possibly a one-shot.

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#6 Edited by Kiadi-Monday (298 posts) - - Show Bio

I honestly don't see why Kas'im would fare any better against a peer of Vader than Maul did. And I personally think the Maul debacle was due to Maul's mindset of blinding hatred, matched up against Kenobi's polar opposite mindset of clarity and focus, which led to such a quick defeat. As well as Maul playing right into Kenobi's hands due to his impulsivity and short sightedness. Maul should still definitely win here, without a doubt.

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#7 Edited by LordOfTheLight (2678 posts) - - Show Bio

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Better to hear it from sourcebooks or novels on what is the explanation for this.

On the other hand, interesting. Maul was far far more blinded by rage and impulsiveness in TCW than here. Yet, he fared much better. Rage doesn't hinder dark-siders, certainly not ones that have been at it for long and have decades of experience tapping and harnessing it, on the contrary it empowers them. And Maul is far more experienced, more knowledgeable and a lot less impulsive in Rebels than in TCW. So why would it hinder him here?

The more prudent explanation would be that, I don't think that the SW team cares about power levels. They have tried to distance themselves from the EU, where every ancient Sith was "unbeatable" and such, and power mattered more than what SW was really about. Filoni has stated that he thinks Obi Wan was robbed of his accomplishment when Maul returned, and probably has reversed that. You have to remember that it's a kid's show. It is what its supposed to be, simple but powerful at the same time.

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#8 Posted by Th310rbit (74 posts) - - Show Bio

Kas'im stomps. Rebels Maul is inquisitor level or slightly above in sabers. :)

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#9 Edited by Azronger (4334 posts) - - Show Bio

His abilities grew throughout his life, as per Starwars.com. Which means that Rebels Maul is more powerful than TCW Maul. That constitutes a stomp, possibly a one-shot.

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#10 Edited by Emperordmb (1987 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah my opinion of Rebels Maul has slipped, he's definitely declined. Kas'im wins.

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#11 Posted by Kiadi-Monday (298 posts) - - Show Bio

Better to hear it from sourcebooks or novels on what is the explanation for this.

On the other hand, interesting. Maul was far far more blinded by rage and impulsiveness in TCW than here. Yet, he fared much better. Rage doesn't hinder dark-siders, certainly not ones that have been at it for long and have decades of experience tapping and harnessing it, on the contrary it empowers them. And Maul is far more experienced, more knowledgeable and a lot less impulsive in Rebels than in TCW.

The more prudent explanation would be that, I don't think that the SW team cares about power levels and such. Filoni has stated that he thinks Obi Wan was robbed of his accomplishment when Maul returned, and probably has reversed that. You have to remember that it's a kid's show. It is what its supposed to be, simple but powerful at the same time.

Fair enough.

I'm not really sure about that. Maul in TCW seemed to display his anger more openly, but Maul in Rebels had spent years dwelling on his hatred of Kenobi, constantly plotting. The hatred would have been building up inside him all those years in exile and ran very deep. And it is certainly true that rage can and does empower darksiders, but when you have someone who is so naturally impulsive like Maul, it seems logical that the rage would unbalance him or prevent him for seeing straight. And Maul in Rebels is still extremely impulsive. The Kanan fiasco comes to mind.

That is very likely the explanation for this, to be honest. But I prefer explanations that aren't based on author negligence. Although I can totally see what you are getting at.

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#12 Posted by nfactor1995 (12929 posts) - - Show Bio

Maul

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#13 Edited by LordOfTheLight (2678 posts) - - Show Bio

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Although he has grown older and gained new abilities throughout his life, Darth Maul still builds on the teachings he received from Darth Sidious. Now, he’s trying to pass them on to Ezra Bridger.

Credit: Starwars.com, Darth Maul:The Story of an Apprentice

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#14 Edited by Azronger (4334 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordofthelight: So Rebels is his prime? That's glorious news for Kenobi, Dooku and Vader.

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#15 Posted by Emperor339 (2488 posts) - - Show Bio

With Canon it looks like they're going for, 'they all grew in power' rather than the shadows of their old selves Lucas was going for.

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#16 Posted by LordOfTheLight (2678 posts) - - Show Bio

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Seems that way. Though I can't see how Dooku features into this. If Maul improved, Obi Wan most definitely did. This is canon Obi Wan, meaning that they have most likely retconned him being weaker. Logical, as they have Vader growing stronger from before as well.

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#17 Posted by nfactor1995 (12929 posts) - - Show Bio

On second thought, if its Maul as of that gif, Kas'im wins. If it's Maul throughout Rebels (not jobbing or being an idiot), he wins.

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#18 Posted by foxerdes (10247 posts) - - Show Bio
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#19 Edited by deactivated-5a20a68641bc7 (1969 posts) - - Show Bio

Certainly Maul. His performance against Kenobi in "Twin Suns" is arguably one of the most context-dependent ones in Star Wars canon.

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#20 Posted by Th310rbit (74 posts) - - Show Bio

@foxerdes: It was joke but he's certainly closer to the inquisitors than he's to Kenobi, if that can be considered an accurate display of their abilities. LOL

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#21 Posted by WollfMyth209 (16791 posts) - - Show Bio

Kas'im wouldn't perform much better.

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#22 Posted by LordOfTheLight (2678 posts) - - Show Bio

The inquisitors are basically stomp material for him, as was shown.

I don't see why this is a thread. He is an ant compared to TPM Maul. TCW Maul is more powerful and stronger than TPM Maul, and Rebels Maul has only grown better.

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#23 Edited by Lvenger (36338 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordofthelight: I cannot see Rebels Maul as better than TCW Maul when he lasted seconds against Old Kenobi. Compared with TCW Maul consistently overpowering Obi Wan, a website statement isn't enough to overrule what happened on TCW.

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#24 Edited by Bane_Train (236 posts) - - Show Bio

@azronger said:

@lordofthelight: So Rebels is his prime? That's glorious news for Kenobi, Dooku and Vader.

The quote is out of canon.

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#25 Posted by foxerdes (10247 posts) - - Show Bio
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#26 Posted by YousufKhan1212 (2265 posts) - - Show Bio

Whoever wins gets punched like this:

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#27 Edited by Azronger (4334 posts) - - Show Bio

@bane_train: Why? It's said the story group doesn't review the content of the blogs, but I don't that classifies as non-canon.

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#28 Posted by deactivated-5a4a9a7745a28 (1514 posts) - - Show Bio

Maul still wins though, his Rebels fight with Obi-Wan is very specific and is influenced by a life long - desperate on Maul's side - rivalry

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#29 Posted by Azronger (4334 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordofthelight: Until a retcon is established (if ever) I'm riding this quote to Narnia.

Dooku = Prime Kenobi >> ANH Vader = ANH Kenobi >>> Rebels Maul > TCW Maul ~ TCW Kenobi > TPM Maul = A level 8 fighter.

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#30 Posted by Th310rbit (74 posts) - - Show Bio

@azronger: Easter has come sooner to you, Az. LMAO

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#31 Posted by LordOfTheLight (2678 posts) - - Show Bio

It's posted in the news category. News and blog categories are merged, but this one lists it in Starwars.com as under news, both in the URL, and here:

http://www.starwars.com/search?q=megan+crouse

So it's still valid.

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#32 Posted by Azronger (4334 posts) - - Show Bio

@th310rbit: It's more like all the holidays in one. This is pure ecstasy.

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#33 Edited by Brightsteel (1165 posts) - - Show Bio

@azronger:

wait

can we scale this in anyway to Windu?

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#34 Edited by Erkan12 (8435 posts) - - Show Bio

Not sure, this version of Maul is complete wreckage thanks to Filoni. Could go either way.

@lordofthelight said:

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Although he has grown older and gained new abilities throughout his life, Darth Maul still builds on the teachings he received from Darth Sidious. Now, he’s trying to pass them on to Ezra Bridger.

Credit: Starwars.com, Darth Maul:The Story of an Apprentice

''New abilities'' , ''he’s trying to pass them on to Ezra Bridger.'' such as Nightsister rituels and combining the holocrons, that's what he did with Ezra. There is nothing new about lightsaber combat and combative TK.

Saying that he is more powerful than his TCW-self is a lol-worthy claim, Voice actor of Maul already claimed that Maul is past his prime but some people didn't want to believe it, and here we are, Kenobi one-shotted this Maul, while he was unable to do anything to Maul in Florrum when he is amped by Gallia's death. TCW Maul > TPM Maul > Rebels Maul as for now.

But he’s not ready to change his ways yet …

Witwer: He has this ambition that still exists inside him and that ambition is eating him up –especially now that he’s past his prime and his glory years. Yeah, he’s a sadder character than we perhaps remember in Clone Wars.

Dave, you’ve had Ezra pulled between both the light and the dark side of the Force. Is Maul a cautionary tale for him? An example of what not to do?

Filoni: This whole season has been about getting Ezra to kind of explore the dark side of the Force and be aware of its existence on a powerful level that maybe he didn’t understand before. It’s really kind of an Empire Strikes Back movement for the series, where we bring the dark side out more to our heroes and challenge them with it. It’s going to get pretty crazy before the end here.

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/03/24/darth-maul-returns-star-wars-rebels

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#35 Edited by Bane_Train (236 posts) - - Show Bio

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@bane_train: Why? It's said the story group doesn't review the content of the blogs, but I don't that classifies as non-canon.

Yes. It's obvious that's what's meant by Chee when asked whether the blogs were canon or not.

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#36 Posted by YousufKhan1212 (2265 posts) - - Show Bio

Erkan12 makes a good point about the "new abilities" quote, it's a reference to the Holocrons and Nightsister rituals. But he might want to remove his laughter.

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#37 Edited by Bane_Train (236 posts) - - Show Bio

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@lordofthelight: I'm riding this quote to Narnia.

I really advise against this for your own sake.

ILS tried to do the same with a bane quote, and proceeded to base his entire ethos on a single passage of text. It convinced no one. The quote regarding Maul is both more vague and less authoritative in canon. In other words, be reasonable. Don't be unreasonable.

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#38 Edited by LordOfTheLight (2678 posts) - - Show Bio

He has already built on what has been given to him by Sidious, i.e. force and lightsaber combat and has improved from there. So this can't be argued.

The fact that this is in the News section, prevents it from being regarded as outright non-canon by Chee. It's a grey area till then.

We'll have to wait for Filoni or some novel or a sourcebook, to provide more content on the fight. Until then, it's all speculation.

Besides, it's kind of obvious that Obi Wan has improved from his previous self, in the new canon, and Vader has too. Maul has spent decades gaining knowledge and secrets of the dark side which has been established. And knowledge leads to greater power in SW. He has built on all of his abilities given by Sidious( if you take the quote seriously), which includes everything from lightsaber combat to the force. There shouldn't be a reason for him to decrease. If anyone should have decreased, it would be Obi Wan, but that's obviously not the case.

And the "Obi Wan being amped" claim has been debunked countless times.

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#39 Edited by Bane_Train (236 posts) - - Show Bio

The quote : "Darth Maul still builds on the teachings he received from Darth Sidious" If taken as canon (it isn't) still does not preclude the notion that his physical abilities and his lightsaber combat have declined. Which is the most logical conclusion.

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#40 Edited by LordOfTheLight (2678 posts) - - Show Bio

The quote : "Darth Maul still builds on the teachings he received from Darth Sidious" If taken as canon (it isn't) still noes not preclude the notion that his physical abilities and his lightsaber combat have declined. Which is the most logical conclusion.

In the new canon, Maul is still Sidious's apprentice, and was taught by him. Force and lightsaber combat come under it. He may have decreased physically, but so may have Obi Wan. They augment themselves with the force.

Seems as if people don't want to accept it. I can understand that. Though it would have definitely not been the case had the reverse happened, with Obi Wan managing to survive due to plot.

Cool it down people. Wait for new material on Obi Wan and Maul as of Rebels, their other feats and portrayal. Know how they stand compared to their former selves, in the new canon, instead of comparing with the old one in the EU( for Obi Wan).

Until then, making threads on them, is pretty much pointless.

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#41 Posted by noobsnowman (3630 posts) - - Show Bio

Just because Kenobi wiped the floor of Maul dosen't mean Kas'im would have any better chance. Maul still beats Kas'im, easily.

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#42 Posted by Bane_Train (236 posts) - - Show Bio

It's not just Kenobi moping the floor with Maul though, is it. A younger Maul would give Kas'im the Jinn treatment. This Maul is around his level.

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#43 Posted by LordOfTheLight (2678 posts) - - Show Bio

This shouldn't be a thread. ILS already established that long ago.

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#44 Posted by GeorgeWBush (12163 posts) - - Show Bio

Not sure they're both really really bad

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#45 Posted by Bane_Train (236 posts) - - Show Bio

Appeals to false authority. ILS can come here and defend his favourite 'Sith Lord' if he wants. In spite of the glaring evidence that Maul is a failure as a fighter a scheming mastermind and a character.

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#46 Posted by YousufKhan1212 (2265 posts) - - Show Bio

Not sure they're both really really bad

Hmm IKR.

Just imagine if we added Bane tho, then everyone's brains would explode!

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#47 Posted by ShootingNova (25691 posts) - - Show Bio

Rebels Maul discovering new powers doesn't quite mean that he's in his prime.

Regardless, he beats Kas'im.

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#48 Edited by Azronger (4334 posts) - - Show Bio

@brightsteel: Maul was matching Windu a bit in SoD, so I guess ANH Kenobi >> Windu. >:)

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#49 Posted by Azronger (4334 posts) - - Show Bio

@bane_train: Eh, I'll just see what happens :)

Anyway, are you ZiggyStardust?

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#50 Posted by Brightsteel (1165 posts) - - Show Bio