Old King Thor vs The One Below All Hulk

Yea that was a fake email btw, Aaron never replied to anyone's message. It literally said in the comic that TOBA was beyond concepts and Ewing has said on twitter he is beyond concepts.

I am not, Ewing is. So does TOAA according to Ewing, he writes both as being desires. He only fails if his hosts fails. Well i guess than when TOAA and TOBA confront each other as Ewing has said he will surely snap him out of existence as you said.

Seriously your post confuses me, are you not aware that TOAA/TOBA are meant to mirror each other? I am not sure if the 2 are exactly equal in power or if TOAA is above but that still means TOBA is like the second most powerful being in all of Marvel by design, the 2 are meant to be the opposite mirror forces, it would be silly if that was the case and TOBA was actually someone belowe OKT who is honestly fodder to him in the grand scheme of things.

Sure thing, you can take a look at this when you come back

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Aaron clarification solo!

@eliotte3344: Is this you WITB? The amount of nonsense written and dowplaying of Hulk as well as some of the arguments i heard lol, did you try to come back to CV? This is amazing.

@eliotte3344: Oh boy this is too funny. Be sure to stick around this time, the upcoming months are gonna be hilarious and i am gonna enjoy you try to downplay or dismiss anything relating to Hulk.

@eliotte3344: LOL.

@eliotte3344: Quick question first, who wins WBH or Thor?

@eliotte3344: Yea Hulk does stomp the crap out of fodder like Thor, true.

That is all i needed fro you, carry on.

This Hulk would stomps composite Thor

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TOBA Hulk destroyed the multiverse.

OKT dies instantly

Can you catch me up on TOBA Hulk? Is that still Banner? Some type of one-off Amp or is it always within him?

that's TOAA posessing Hulk's body

Lol so it’s just the TOAA and the Hulk part is basically irrelevant since it’s not the Hulk or Banner?

TOBA eats him.

Not sure what you mean by irrelevant

It’s not even really the Hulk, or Banner, or replicable. It’s just the One Below All vs Thor, not an actual version of the Hulk that’s the Hulk in any other way than name.

Old King Thor > Rune King Thor then or…?

Old King Phoenix Thor should take this, but not Old King Thor himself.

Toba hulk was boring same with old thor

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Why wouldn’t TOBA Hulk count as a Hulk form?

Sure, it’s TOAA, but Hulk is still the chosen avatar. That’s like saying Juggernaut isn’t fighting, it’s Cyttorak.

Hulk is not actually the avatar, it's TOAA/BA puppeting his corpse. The entity admits just as much to Par%l in the comic in question, it devoured all the Hulk alters a long time ago, Hulk's soul was long gone.

Alex Ross's cover for the issue is also a bit on the nose lol

@rajjarsalt:

Let’s be completely honest here. The only reason you’re making this distinction is because if you didn’t, the Hulk vs. Thor debate would forever be closed. Nothing Thor could ever do would put him on TOBA/TOAA level.

Oh?

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Hulk stomps

TOBA Hulk is by design the Galactus of that new iteration of the verse. His feats are blowing up a moon by flying into it, blowing up a planet with a punch, and crushing a star with two hand squeeze. OKT has feats on that tier but also way better stuff too

@rajjarsalt: It reminds me of Ryan Ottley saying on X/Twitter that Mephisto against TOBA would be a great fight, lol.

Bruh that's GOAT

@rajjarsalt: When Tetsujin/Sakaar mentioned avatar I think he was talking about what was revealed in Immortal Hulk issue 50; Hulk is the avatar of destruction/strength for TOAA.

@rajjarsalt: I just found out the tweet. What Ryan says is that we need a Mephisto against TOBA:

So like, I think it depends on your interpretation of it.

@rajjarsalt: @andromeda1001: Ryan Ottley is saying yes to TOBA being “far greater” than Mephisto. This is conveniently confirmed in the scan above me lol

Also I’m pretty sure D’Spayre just encountered a “speck” of the power from the Green Door.

@jay_z94: As I said in this thread: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/ryan-ottley-hulks-writer-seems-to-confirm-that-mep-2302209/

I think we can interpret Ryan's statement in different ways. He also says that certain circumstances might allow Mephisto and TOBA to fight, and then later compares it to Batman fighting Supes. So again, I guess it depends on how you interpret it.

And no, I don't think D'Spayre ever met TOBA.

I could buy that, it was implied at the beginning of the series.

@andromeda1001: Well the scan confirms TOBA is much more powerful than Mephisto anyways

EDIT: Ottley’s follow up provides way more context: “Writers do look at power levels, but what makes an interesting story is finding a way to disrupt them. Sure, you can talk about power levels of Batman and Superman all day and how it’s ridiculous for Batman to win. Then Miller makes it happen. All it takes is some creativity.”

This, along with Ottley saying TOBA is “far greater”, along with the scan above, puts the whole Mephisto thing to rest.

Based on what TOBA represents, i don't see how he loses.

@jay_z94 said:

Under Ewing, sure.

Ryan might not think alike, though. As I said, I think it depends on how you view his statements. Since Ryan himself doesn't think strictly about power-levels.