Of these fighters who is the most skilled?

Simple debate, this is a battle of the martial arts.

Rules:

• Physical strength, speed, durability and endurance are all equalized
• No one has any weapons, Logan can not use his claws
• No weapons/gear: i.e. no suit for Black Panther, no amping powers for Danny, no TP for Tomi
• This is purely based on skill and the quest to determine, of this bunch, the most skill
• For the sake of this fight, we are using primarily high-end, in their prime, best-day feats. Not things considered outliers, like Spiderman defeating Firelord type stuff. It's meant to be justifiable consistent feats at their height, so no low-balling of any character
• Comicbook versions

Of these characters, who is the most skilled fighter of this group:

• Daredevil Matthew Murdock (no billyclubs)
• The Wolverine James "Logan" Howlett (no claws)
• The Black Panther T'Challa (no suit or gear)
• Elektra (no sais)
• Master Ogun (no sword)
• The Gorgon Tomi Shishido (no sword/stonestare)
• The Iron Fist Danny Rand (no IF)
• Gamora (no gear/sword)
• Steve Rogers (no shield)
• Taskmaster (no gear)

Please consider this a round-robin tournament.

- in this thread, I prefer the hierarchy to be: feats > handbooks entries/character statements > writer statements

1. Who wins the majority?
2. How would you rank them?

@jay_z94@god_spawn@jashro44@morpheus_@static_shock@wyldsong and anyone else who's knowledgeable

Apologies for tagging anyone who would prefer not to be tagged at thread openings or in general. I just tagged the most knowledgeable viners (in terms of streetlevel) that I could think of.

Probably Gorgon and Gamora.

Tm or danny

Iron Fist

This isn't a battle.

I thought Daredevil broke Gorgon's neck on panel or summ?

Iron Fist

I would like to say Taskmaster.

Iron Fist though..

Mantis would stomp them all

She one shot Thor, Vision, Black Panther, Scarlet Witch and most of those are during the same fight

Keep it mind there are 2 things happening, a round robin stat equalized tourney, and a ranking of a pure skill hierarchy here

On Paper, Gamora (stated to have the knowledge of 83.4 % of forms of combat in the Universe)...

So far it seems like Iron Fist is leading the bunch.. not sure if that’s in the most skilled or the stat-equalized tournament

So basically who's the best hand to hand martial-artists? My guess would be:

Iron Fist > Task Master > Cap ≥ Black Panther ≥ Logan > Elektra > Daredevil > Gorgon > Gamora don't know about Ogun.

@supermanwithatan01: If their stats are all equalized and powers disabled, then what's the difference between both questions. The most skilled hand to hand combatants would beat the rest. I'm assuming Healing Factor is also dismissed in this battle, right?

So the tournament is knowing who the most skilled fighter here is, the second part being a ranking... for example if Logan could take T’Challa who takes Gamora, who beats Matt but loses to Tomi, who beats Logan as well but could not actually beat Danny then a ranking is why I hope to sort through it.

I removed abilities because in my opinion, Logan has too many advantages written to the highest degree. He’s as at least skilled as anyone here (in my personal opinion but I could be swayed), has the best durability, the best healing factor, the 2nd best in strength, in the top 3 on speed and has the ability to one-hit/slash kill everyone here (including Tomi who he could decapitate).. when you average out advantages, as they’re all relatively close, it suits him. Danny in theory could be right there with him in most regards.

I should note my statement about Logan is subject to change and another key reason I created this thread.

Logan stated that it was useless for him to try and match the Gorgon in skill.

Hands down matt.

Tony is the most skilled, even if it is kinda cheating with his abilities.

His jobbing doesn't count.

Karate Kid joins the fray and one shots all of them

Iron Fist lost to Wolverine in a sparring match, no iron fist vs no claw.

They've all kind of downed each other.

I'd say Taskmaster.

Isn't it Gamora?

A lot of different answers which makes me feel good about this thread!

@madrus17: @smoothsanta: @nelomaxwell: @supermanwithatan01: i found this

Probably Daredevil or Taskmaster.

@apex_pretador: you think Matt could be the most skilled fighter here?

Could be. He is quite low stat wise compared to the others but still holds his own quite well

I could be wrong tho, don't read street levelers much.

That’s more or less how I feel. Logan is skilled but usually relies on his advanced healing, durability and other mutant powers. T’Challa is skilled of course but has soo much tech and the HSH his trainings in line with Logans. Gamora I have never seen actual skill feats just impressive stat feats and bouts with non-skilled opponents. Her claim to fame seems to be handbooks. Then of course I don’t rank Tomi Shishido as high as most, though I know he’s got great feats I just think he’s superior speedwise to everyone and being the fastest, smartest and highly skilled breeds doubt in opponents. Elektra I have no idea about. Ogun was only defeated by Logan when Logan went berserk. Then again, Logan didn’t have his memories (they had been tampered with) and Logan was sort of weird lol running away which seems Anti-Wolverine-ish. Steve is right there, skill-wise with T’Challa based on their fights. He’s technically sound, disciplined and obviously has a good track record so he may do well here. Finally, Danny is probably the most skilled here. Its tight, I’d personally argue Logan over everyone skillwise, but at this point I guess I may just be biased. Matthew blending his radar sense to his skill, plus one hell of a jaw might tip all of this into his favor. I like Daredevil. Depending on the year of the thread, he’s either whooping Elektra or Lady Shiva, or the prevailing theory is a loss to punisher and winter soldier... just all over the place

CW Ollie

Bump.

@jay_z94 Could I get your insight here... could you rank these characters based on skill in your opinion?

• Daredevil Matthew Murdock (no billyclubs)
• The Wolverine James "Logan" Howlett (no claws/adamantium)
• The Black Panther T'Challa (no gear)
• Elektra (no sais)
• Master Ogun (no sword)
• The Gorgon Tomi Shishido (no sword/stonestare)
• The Iron Fist Danny Rand (no IF)
• Gamora (no gear/sword)
• Steve Rogers (no shield)
• Taskmaster (no gear)

This is a stat equalized fight, and I know those parameters limit characters feats.. I am okay with using feats that they all have while using skill. I am just aiming to determine the best overall fighter (skillwise). Not just the fastest, or most durable, or smartest, or strongest, or toughest.. the one that if you stripped all of his/her abilities away (except Matthew in this case) who would have the most skill to win in a fight. Parameters being no morals, no holding back and no WIS/CIS

Gamora is the on top based on statements and handbooks.

Taskmaster is probably next.

BP

Idk about everything else.

Gamora would win.

Most skilled in the Galaxy >>>> Most skilled on Earth.

Taskmaster finishes second.

Either Steve or Tomi are superior to the rest.

wolverine

I'm gonna go with daredevil. He consistently fights above his weight-class with no problem and has beaten or held his own against half this list while being physically outmatched. With equal stats plus his senses DD easily puts down the majority. To me this comes down to Daredevil, Gamora, and Taskmaster. I say DD because of his enhanced senses and his frequent utilization of nerve strikes.

Is Gamora that bad? Lol wow