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#51 Posted by FirstHunter (3277 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324 said:
@reaverlation said:
@kingant27 said:

Give it to OF Thor here.

@reaverlation: How?

He can't copy his powers and he also has Time Manipulation.

Not an ability Thor is likely to use. And Amazo would just blitz Thor with Wally's speed, strength of the heavy hitters and skill of Batman. Thor doesn't win here at all

I mean the Odinforce has been used to face Celestials

Heavily amped user of the OF who had wielded it longer than this version of Thor had and still got stomped.

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#52 Posted by destinyman75 (7173 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor wins here amazo isn't stopping OF Thor who has a huge boost in durability and power

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#53 Posted by jayc1324 (21709 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324 said:
@reaverlation said:
@kingant27 said:

Give it to OF Thor here.

@reaverlation: How?

He can't copy his powers and he also has Time Manipulation.

Not an ability Thor is likely to use. And Amazo would just blitz Thor with Wally's speed, strength of the heavy hitters and skill of Batman. Thor doesn't win here at all

I mean the Odinforce has been used to face Celestials

Heavily amped user of the OF who had wielded it longer than this version of Thor had and still got stomped.

Yet Amazo is nowhere near the level of Celestials, he would be stomped too. And Thor has actually cracked their armor before.

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#54 Posted by FirstHunter (3277 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324 said:
@firsthunter said:
@jayc1324 said:
@reaverlation said:
@kingant27 said:

Give it to OF Thor here.

@reaverlation: How?

He can't copy his powers and he also has Time Manipulation.

Not an ability Thor is likely to use. And Amazo would just blitz Thor with Wally's speed, strength of the heavy hitters and skill of Batman. Thor doesn't win here at all

I mean the Odinforce has been used to face Celestials

Heavily amped user of the OF who had wielded it longer than this version of Thor had and still got stomped.

Yet Amazo is nowhere near the level of Celestials, he would be stomped too.

I never claimed otherwise, simply that your point about Celestials is moot.

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#55 Posted by jayc1324 (21709 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324 said:
@firsthunter said:
@jayc1324 said:
@reaverlation said:
@kingant27 said:

Give it to OF Thor here.

@reaverlation: How?

He can't copy his powers and he also has Time Manipulation.

Not an ability Thor is likely to use. And Amazo would just blitz Thor with Wally's speed, strength of the heavy hitters and skill of Batman. Thor doesn't win here at all

I mean the Odinforce has been used to face Celestials

Heavily amped user of the OF who had wielded it longer than this version of Thor had and still got stomped.

Yet Amazo is nowhere near the level of Celestials, he would be stomped too.

I never claimed otherwise, simply that your point about Celestials is moot.

It's not. It shows he has the potential to defeat Amazo, but the speed will be a problem

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#56 Edited by FirstHunter (3277 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324 said:
@firsthunter said:
@jayc1324 said:
@firsthunter said:
@jayc1324 said:
@reaverlation said:
@kingant27 said:

Give it to OF Thor here.

@reaverlation: How?

He can't copy his powers and he also has Time Manipulation.

Not an ability Thor is likely to use. And Amazo would just blitz Thor with Wally's speed, strength of the heavy hitters and skill of Batman. Thor doesn't win here at all

I mean the Odinforce has been used to face Celestials

Heavily amped user of the OF who had wielded it longer than this version of Thor had and still got stomped.

Yet Amazo is nowhere near the level of Celestials, he would be stomped too.

I never claimed otherwise, simply that your point about Celestials is moot.

It shows he has the potential to defeat Amazo,

How? I'm talking about when you claimed the Odin-Force was used to face Celestials.

If by face you mean someone much better with OF than Thor and was heavily amped got stomped.

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#57 Posted by jayc1324 (21709 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324 said:
@firsthunter said:
@jayc1324 said:
@firsthunter said:
@jayc1324 said:
@reaverlation said:
@kingant27 said:

Give it to OF Thor here.

@reaverlation: How?

He can't copy his powers and he also has Time Manipulation.

Not an ability Thor is likely to use. And Amazo would just blitz Thor with Wally's speed, strength of the heavy hitters and skill of Batman. Thor doesn't win here at all

I mean the Odinforce has been used to face Celestials

Heavily amped user of the OF who had wielded it longer than this version of Thor had and still got stomped.

Yet Amazo is nowhere near the level of Celestials, he would be stomped too.

I never claimed otherwise, simply that your point about Celestials is moot.

It shows he has the potential to defeat Amazo,

How? I'm talking about when you claimed the Odin-Force was used to face Celestials.

If by face you mean someone much better with OF than Thor and was heavily amped got stomped.

Yes how is that point moot?

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#58 Posted by FirstHunter (3277 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324 said:
@firsthunter said:
@jayc1324 said:
@firsthunter said:
@jayc1324 said:
@firsthunter said:
@jayc1324 said:
@reaverlation said:
@kingant27 said:

Give it to OF Thor here.

@reaverlation: How?

He can't copy his powers and he also has Time Manipulation.

Not an ability Thor is likely to use. And Amazo would just blitz Thor with Wally's speed, strength of the heavy hitters and skill of Batman. Thor doesn't win here at all

I mean the Odinforce has been used to face Celestials

Heavily amped user of the OF who had wielded it longer than this version of Thor had and still got stomped.

Yet Amazo is nowhere near the level of Celestials, he would be stomped too.

I never claimed otherwise, simply that your point about Celestials is moot.

It shows he has the potential to defeat Amazo,

How? I'm talking about when you claimed the Odin-Force was used to face Celestials.

If by face you mean someone much better with OF than Thor and was heavily amped got stomped.

Yes how is that point moot?

Because that user was better than Thor, was heavily amped, and still got stomped.

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#59 Posted by Laiks Stake (116 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor bust the galaxy.

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#60 Posted by jayc1324 (21709 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324 said:
@firsthunter said:
@jayc1324 said:
@firsthunter said:
@jayc1324 said:
@firsthunter said:
@jayc1324 said:
@reaverlation said:
@kingant27 said:

Give it to OF Thor here.

@reaverlation: How?

He can't copy his powers and he also has Time Manipulation.

Not an ability Thor is likely to use. And Amazo would just blitz Thor with Wally's speed, strength of the heavy hitters and skill of Batman. Thor doesn't win here at all

I mean the Odinforce has been used to face Celestials

Heavily amped user of the OF who had wielded it longer than this version of Thor had and still got stomped.

Yet Amazo is nowhere near the level of Celestials, he would be stomped too.

I never claimed otherwise, simply that your point about Celestials is moot.

It shows he has the potential to defeat Amazo,

How? I'm talking about when you claimed the Odin-Force was used to face Celestials.

If by face you mean someone much better with OF than Thor and was heavily amped got stomped.

Yes how is that point moot?

Because that user was better than Thor, was heavily amped, and still got stomped.

Okay but Thor cracking their armor is still a great feat

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#61 Posted by FirstHunter (3277 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324 said:
@firsthunter said:
@jayc1324 said:
@firsthunter said:
@jayc1324 said:
@firsthunter said:
@jayc1324 said:
@firsthunter said:
@jayc1324 said:
@reaverlation said:
@kingant27 said:

Give it to OF Thor here.

@reaverlation: How?

He can't copy his powers and he also has Time Manipulation.

Not an ability Thor is likely to use. And Amazo would just blitz Thor with Wally's speed, strength of the heavy hitters and skill of Batman. Thor doesn't win here at all

I mean the Odinforce has been used to face Celestials

Heavily amped user of the OF who had wielded it longer than this version of Thor had and still got stomped.

Yet Amazo is nowhere near the level of Celestials, he would be stomped too.

I never claimed otherwise, simply that your point about Celestials is moot.

It shows he has the potential to defeat Amazo,

How? I'm talking about when you claimed the Odin-Force was used to face Celestials.

If by face you mean someone much better with OF than Thor and was heavily amped got stomped.

Yes how is that point moot?

Because that user was better than Thor, was heavily amped, and still got stomped.

Okay but Thor cracking their armor is still a great feat

PIS Feat.

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#62 Edited by FirstHunter (3277 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor bust the galaxy.

How often has this version of Thor done that in combat?

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#63 Posted by Spambot (7538 posts) - - Show Bio

@jay_z94 said:
@krleavenger said:
@jay_z94 said:

Considering this is Post-Ragnarok Odin Force Thor, Amazo wins.

Pre and Post-Ragnarok.

Yeah but he only has his Post-Ragnarok Odin force feats, if you know what I mean

Not really true. He had quite a few feats with the OF before the Reigning. Prob more than he does post Ragnarok.

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#64 Edited by jay_z94 (2855 posts) - - Show Bio

@spambot said:
@jay_z94 said:
@krleavenger said:
@jay_z94 said:

Considering this is Post-Ragnarok Odin Force Thor, Amazo wins.

Pre and Post-Ragnarok.

Yeah but he only has his Post-Ragnarok Odin force feats, if you know what I mean

Not really true. He had quite a few feats with the OF before the Reigning. Prob more than he does post Ragnarok.

I know, I'm talking about the OP. It states he can only use odin force feats from Post-Ragnarok.

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#65 Posted by Spambot (7538 posts) - - Show Bio

@jay_z94 said:
@spambot said:
@jay_z94 said:

Yeah but he only has his Post-Ragnarok Odin force feats, if you know what I mean

Not really true. He had quite a few feats with the OF before the Reigning. Prob more than he does post Ragnarok.

I know, I'm talking about the OP. It states he can only use odin force feats from Post-Ragnarok.

No, it just limits them to non Reigning feats. op says:

  • Pre-Ragnarok and Post-Civil War feats apply for Thor
  • No Reigning, Rune King, Old King and All Black Thunder God feats

So it would be up until the final assault on Asgard which brought on the Reigning.

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#66 Posted by jay_z94 (2855 posts) - - Show Bio

@spambot said:
@jay_z94 said:
@spambot said:
@jay_z94 said:

Yeah but he only has his Post-Ragnarok Odin force feats, if you know what I mean

Not really true. He had quite a few feats with the OF before the Reigning. Prob more than he does post Ragnarok.

I know, I'm talking about the OP. It states he can only use odin force feats from Post-Ragnarok.

No, it just limits them to non Reigning feats. op says:

  • Pre-Ragnarok and Post-Civil War feats apply for Thor
  • No Reigning, Rune King, Old King and All Black Thunder God feats

So it would be up until the final assault on Asgard which brought on the Reigning.

Ok, I just assumed that all King Thor feats weren't allowed.

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#67 Posted by Spambot (7538 posts) - - Show Bio

@jay_z94: Its kind of confusing unless you are really familiar with how all those stories went.

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#68 Posted by willpayton (19032 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor bust the galaxy.

When has he done that?

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#69 Posted by Kingant27 (15045 posts) - - Show Bio

@reaverlation: So a character who beat Bor, who could kill regular Thor with one strike couldn't take on Amazo, I definitely think power wise he transcends a mix power set.

Its like saying Odin vs Justice league(ish) IMO.

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#70 Posted by reaverlation (23045 posts) - - Show Bio

@reaverlation: So a character who beat Bor, who could kill regular Thor with one strike couldn't take on Amazo, I definitely think power wise he transcends a mix power set.

Its like saying Odin vs Justice league(ish) IMO.

Thor won't touch Amazo anyways with the enormous speed gap between them. With the speed of Wally and the combined strength of both Superman and Wonder Woman, Thor will get pounded into the floor

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#71 Posted by Batvibe12 (1315 posts) - - Show Bio

Amy....

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#72 Posted by KrleAvenger (22138 posts) - - Show Bio

Second bump.

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#73 Edited by FirstHunter (3277 posts) - - Show Bio

Can someone provide me a better feat for this version of Amazo then going toe to toe with Surtur?- Thor #400

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#74 Edited by Kingant27 (15045 posts) - - Show Bio

@reaverlation: Again Thor has time manipulation power and his physical stats are league's above Superman, as regular Thor's strength levels is enough to rival that of Supes.

If one-shot could kill normal Thor and OF Thor was handling Bor that is easily leagues above Herald level which Amazo is that level or slightly higher deffo not in the low-mid Skyfather range.

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#75 Posted by reaverlation (23045 posts) - - Show Bio

@reaverlation: Again Thor has time manipulation power and his physical stats are league's above Superman, as regular Thor's strength levels is enough to rival that of Supes.

If one-shot could kill normal Thor and OF Thor was handling Bor that is easily leagues above Herald level which Amazo is that level or slightly higher deffo not in the low-mid Skyfather range.

Thor doesn't have time manipulation in this fight. Amazo has the combined strength of the heavy hitters of the Justice League so Amazo is above Superman as well

Lol Amazo being Herald level? Amazo would beat Thanos himself yet Thor with the Odin Force would win here? Amazo just TP's Thor seeing how Amazo has Martian Manhunter's telepathy and Amazo has successfully used it against J'onn himself while in combat. Amazo pounds Thor before Thor realizes what's going on just like Amazo would've done to the Justice League if Wally didn't rob Amazo of his speed.

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#76 Posted by Void-X (313 posts) - - Show Bio

Okay reading some crazy shit here. Amazo can't beat Thanos. Sorry. But he should be able to beat Thor. For the record, Thor has a small measure of super speed, he justn' doens't use it enough to be a thing. Amazo way outclassed Thor is speed and thats why he wins here.

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#77 Posted by FirstHunter (3277 posts) - - Show Bio

@void-x:

And OF Thor outclasses Amazo in strength and durability.

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#78 Posted by Void-X (313 posts) - - Show Bio

@void-x:

And OF Thor outclasses Amazo in strength and durability.

??? how does he get to use it when he can't even begin to react to someone wiht Amazos speed? you are making zero sense right now

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#79 Posted by FirstHunter (3277 posts) - - Show Bio

@void-x said:
@firsthunter said:

@void-x:

And OF Thor outclasses Amazo in strength and durability.

??? how does he get to use it when he can't even begin to react to someone wiht Amazos speed? you are making zero sense right now

He can use it because it will take him a long time to take OF Thor out. The OF also has been used to enhance speed.

Especially when OF Thor can grow to this level of size

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#80 Posted by Chimeroid (5564 posts) - - Show Bio

Amazo usually waits for enemies to do something before he analyzes and counters. That gives thor a chance to win if he can oneshot him. If he fails it Amazo calculates the best way to win and he does it.

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#81 Posted by reaverlation (23045 posts) - - Show Bio

@void-x said:
@firsthunter said:

@void-x:

And OF Thor outclasses Amazo in strength and durability.

??? how does he get to use it when he can't even begin to react to someone wiht Amazos speed? you are making zero sense right now

He can use it because it will take him a long time to take OF Thor out. The OF also has been used to enhance speed.

Especially when OF Thor can grow to this level of size

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Show a speed feat from Thor that matches up to Wally West.

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#82 Posted by FirstHunter (3277 posts) - - Show Bio

@firsthunter said:
@void-x said:
@firsthunter said:

@void-x:

And OF Thor outclasses Amazo in strength and durability.

??? how does he get to use it when he can't even begin to react to someone wiht Amazos speed? you are making zero sense right now

He can use it because it will take him a long time to take OF Thor out. The OF also has been used to enhance speed.

Especially when OF Thor can grow to this level of size

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Show a speed feat from Thor that matches up to Wally West.

You'll never hear me or anyone with good knowledge say Thor can match up to Wally West in speed.

Maybe Travel Speed but that's it.

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#83 Posted by Void-X (313 posts) - - Show Bio

@reaverlation said:
@firsthunter said:
@void-x said:
@firsthunter said:

@void-x:

And OF Thor outclasses Amazo in strength and durability.

??? how does he get to use it when he can't even begin to react to someone wiht Amazos speed? you are making zero sense right now

He can use it because it will take him a long time to take OF Thor out. The OF also has been used to enhance speed.

Especially when OF Thor can grow to this level of size

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Show a speed feat from Thor that matches up to Wally West.

You'll never hear me or anyone with good knowledge say Thor can match up to Wally West in speed.

Maybe Travel Speed but that's it.

Right and that's the problem. Thor doesn't match up to Amazo who can copy Wally's speed.

Also, the scan from above is Reigning Thor. The OP already said this

  • No Reigning, Rune King, Old King and All Black Thunder God feat

The problem with an Odin force Thor outside of the Reigning is it doesn't leave many feats of Thor with the Odin force. His fight with Bor is game, but their wasn't enough concrete from that fight to draw too many conclusions. I still say Amazo wins this.

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#84 Edited by destinyman75 (7173 posts) - - Show Bio

@reaverlation: Highly unlikely given he has OF which allows him to literally take out the whole battle field with a thought, and Clark nor Diana Can kill THOR with a blow as Bor and he stopped Bor, regular Thor sure but not with Odin Force, he can literally turn them/amazo to slag like he did Logan

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#85 Posted by reaverlation (23045 posts) - - Show Bio

@reaverlation: Highly unlikely given he has OF which allows him to literally take out the whole battle field with a thought, and Clark nor Diana Can kill THOR with a blow as Bor and he stopped Bor, regular Thor sure but not with Odin Force, he can literally turn them/amazo to slag like he did Logan

So Thor is gonna react to Amazo when Amazo has the speed of Wally West? When Amazo used that same speed to engage in a high speed battle where Amazo threw batarangs, shot arrows, used a Lantern ring, made an Nth metal mace to swing at Wally and 1,000 martial art blows and this all happening within less than a second? Or the combined strength of Superman and Wonder Woman, which is enough to damage Thor? I mention this because Amazo could apply both of these strengths and Thor wouldn't even register Amazo, especially since Amazo was capable of doing that when facing the Justice League and only didn't because Wally took Amazo's speed.

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#86 Posted by FirstHunter (3277 posts) - - Show Bio

@void-x said:
@firsthunter said:
@reaverlation said:
@firsthunter said:
@void-x said:
@firsthunter said:

@void-x:

And OF Thor outclasses Amazo in strength and durability.

??? how does he get to use it when he can't even begin to react to someone wiht Amazos speed? you are making zero sense right now

He can use it because it will take him a long time to take OF Thor out. The OF also has been used to enhance speed.

Especially when OF Thor can grow to this level of size

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Show a speed feat from Thor that matches up to Wally West.

You'll never hear me or anyone with good knowledge say Thor can match up to Wally West in speed.

Maybe Travel Speed but that's it.

Right and that's the problem. Thor doesn't match up to Amazo who can copy Wally's speed.

Also, the scan from above is Reigning Thor. The OP already said this

  • No Reigning, Rune King, Old King and All Black Thunder God feat

The problem with an Odin force Thor outside of the Reigning is it doesn't leave many feats of Thor with the Odin force. His fight with Bor is game, but their wasn't enough concrete from that fight to draw too many conclusions. I still say Amazo wins this.

Eh, fair enough. If it was Reigning Thor allowed then OF Thor would win for sure since he'd have a legit counter to speed.

I still say OF Thor wins given his fight with confirmed Galaxy Buster Surtur

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#87 Posted by destinyman75 (7173 posts) - - Show Bio

@reaverlation: My take is because Thor is many times more durable with OF I don't see Clark or Diana being able to do the same damage they could with regular Thor they may affect him but I'm a greatly diminished capacity. Also since he can become larger then a sun amazos speed would be of little difference, OF Thor is beyond amazo

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#89 Posted by FirstHunter (3277 posts) - - Show Bio

Also since he can become larger then a sun

Reigning.

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#90 Posted by Thor_Parker82 (12111 posts) - - Show Bio

Only Old King Thor w/ necrosword and above, stronger versions would beat Amazo.

Not even close bruh, that version of Thor is his most powerful version to date, there are no versions above necrosword OKT.

King Thor would beat Amazo in 10-20 seconds.

Rune King Thor, Old King Thor & Old King Thor w/ necrosword would one shot Amazo.

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#91 Posted by reaverlation (23045 posts) - - Show Bio

@reaverlation said:

Only Old King Thor w/ necrosword and above, stronger versions would beat Amazo.

Not even close bruh, that version of Thor is his most powerful version to date, there are no versions above necrosword OKT.

King Thor would beat Amazo in 10-20 seconds.

Rune King Thor, Old King Thor & Old King Thor w/ necrosword would one shot Amazo.

We're using a limited Amazo here. An Amazo using all his feats plus the ability to copy powers is much more powerful than the nerfed one used here.

On the bold part, I agree he'd easily beat Amazo since Amazo also can't copy powers.

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#92 Posted by Thor_Parker82 (12111 posts) - - Show Bio

@void-x said:
@firsthunter said:
@reaverlation said:
@firsthunter said:
@void-x said:
@firsthunter said:

@void-x:

And OF Thor outclasses Amazo in strength and durability.

??? how does he get to use it when he can't even begin to react to someone wiht Amazos speed? you are making zero sense right now

He can use it because it will take him a long time to take OF Thor out. The OF also has been used to enhance speed.

Especially when OF Thor can grow to this level of size

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Show a speed feat from Thor that matches up to Wally West.

You'll never hear me or anyone with good knowledge say Thor can match up to Wally West in speed.

Maybe Travel Speed but that's it.

Right and that's the problem. Thor doesn't match up to Amazo who can copy Wally's speed.

Also, the scan from above is Reigning Thor. The OP already said this

  • No Reigning, Rune King, Old King and All Black Thunder God feat

The problem with an Odin force Thor outside of the Reigning is it doesn't leave many feats of Thor with the Odin force. His fight with Bor is game, but their wasn't enough concrete from that fight to draw too many conclusions. I still say Amazo wins this.

Eh, fair enough. If it was Reigning Thor allowed then OF Thor would win for sure since he'd have a legit counter to speed.

I still say OF Thor wins given his fight with confirmed Galaxy Buster Surtur

There are two things wrong here.

For starters, the scan is not from "The Reigning", one needs to read all of Dan Jurgens´ run to understand and know how to difference when The Reigning starts. The Reigning starts when Asgard is brought down by the government with the help of Doctor Doom and Thor just snaps and takes them all out with a whim and conquers Midgard, that´s when it starts, not before and not after.

Secondly, Thor never grew to that size, it was a mental projection all happening in Thor´s mind, the Odin Force manifested itself to Thor in his mind and spoke with him in the form of Odin.

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#93 Posted by highaccuser (29571 posts) - - Show Bio

Amazo stomps.

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#94 Posted by Thor_Parker82 (12111 posts) - - Show Bio

@krleavenger: Also, you should have made this without Wally West´s powerset, we all know how things turn out with speed issues especially in a thread that invloves Thor, plus, you´d have gotten a more accurate approximation of what will be our CaV.

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Yes, for anyone wondering, me and @krleavenger are going to do this CaV (Odin Force Thor vs Amazo).

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#96 Posted by KrleAvenger (22138 posts) - - Show Bio

@krleavenger: This is cheating lol

JK

I know this is a joke, but I'm afraid I don't understand it. How exactly is this cheating LOL?

@krleavenger: Also, you should have made this without Wally West´s powerset, we all know how things turn out with speed issues especially in a thread that invloves Thor, plus, you´d have gotten a more accurate approximation of what will be our CaV.

It wasn't my intention to do that. I just wanted to add something on the Daily Debater. Come on. Kill me. Hate me. Tell me I'm pathetic. I deserve it.

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#100 Posted by reaverlation (23045 posts) - - Show Bio

Also, you should have made this without Wally West´s powerset, we all know how things turn out with speed issues especially in a thread that invloves Thor, plus, you´d have gotten a more accurate approximation of what will be our CaV.

Amazo would still have Superman/Wonder Woman's speed

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