Oblivion vs Empty Hand

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Oblivion
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Empty Hand

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Well, the Empty Hand is 100% featless, but by implication he should win this easily.

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#4  Edited By Sy8000

Empty Hand is impossible to gauge.

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Oblivion.

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The Empty Hand.

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Who the fook are these guys.

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I say Oblivion from what I read is that nothing can stop or kill Oblivion because he eats attacks and all becomes nothing when one stares into his real form

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I say Oblivion from what I read is that nothing can stop or kill Oblivion because he eats attacks and all becomes nothing when one stares into his real form

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Bump in case Empty Hand has more feats. (No idea if he does or does not)

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empty hand. now

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#12  Edited By Sungsam

I hear from some on a few forums about Empty Hand that he represents the reader's hand when he puts the comic down. And that he destroyed "Multiverse-2" according to this scan. Now If these two things are true, it implies the following light about Empty Hand:

  • Empty Hand has Possible DC Metafictional type level of existence, that is questionably near or equivalent to that of the Primal Monitor itself since his hand puts down the Primal Monitor that is the sheet of every DC comic page ever. If this nature is further exploited by the writers in the future, it could shed better light as to his nature's very own level of existence to better understand.
  • Empty hand has Multiversal Power behind him. But the complexity, mass or size of that so called "Multiverse-2" that he destroyed is unknown. I don't know if there are infinite universes in Multiverse-2 since DC has had a history of playing with both infinite type multiverses and finite type multiverses. Likely, I think it could be infinite universes but I could be wrong.

If these two things are true, as I am still skeptical, then Empty Hand is Oblivion's counterpart in DC in Multiversal monstrosity. Oblivion got some fucking shit coming to him if this is true, but I'm still skeptical since Empty Hand is still impossible to gauge. But I just want to lay out most liberal estimations of his power just for the sake of argument.

Yes, it is impossible to gauge Empty Hand at the moment. He could be a dimensioned low multiversal being, but he could also just as well be a being that either nearly rivals, rivals or surpasses Oblivion by either small or large magins. I have five different possible, as of now, equally plausible to me ratings for Empty Hand that all differ in outcome against Oblivion.

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Does this scan's context imply Multiversal destruction? Would anyone care?

There is also the quote I got from other forum debaters of Grant Morrison talking about Empty Hand which is the only basis for him being the empty hand of the reader that puts the comic down.

"The real big bad guy at the end - he looks like the Ultra Comics character, but he's also the reader. The empty hand of the reader when he puts the comic down and everything ends. But like the bad guy, he can also come back in full force and say, "You'll meet me again."- Grant Morrison on the Empty Hand

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Empty hand godstomps. No question

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Oblivion.

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#16  Edited By Stezzy

I'm still waiting for Oblivion to do literally anything but if he really scales that hard off of Mikaboshi(him being just a fraction of the infinity Oblivion is) then Oblivion should be absurdly powerful.

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@soratoumiga: Empty hand claps oblivion, my name all you people

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@stezzy: Yes, oblivion is absurdly powerful, but i don't think he can really tank EH tho

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Empty Hand

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Ultraa lays the smackdown. Fun fact, not relevant to the topic but still fun, Ultraa appeared in Countdown briefly.

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Who the fook are these guys.

The embodiment of nothingness (oblivion) vs the representation of the reader and he’s empty hand when not holding a comic.

Its impossible to say who wins

Oblivion says he would thrive if we as the readers died and nothing existed.

Empty hand creates and destroys multiverses, the world ends when he chooses.

They are conceptually impossibLe to equate.

Using feats neither can die but Oblivion would be in a losing battle in which he doesn’t die but is pummeled for an eternity, as creation weakens him and Empty hand can create multiverses.

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empty hand

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Empty Hand's character concept belongs in the silver age.

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Oblivion.

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Empty Hand sweeps.

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Did Oblivon means Chaos King (The final state absorbed 98 percents of the multiverse) his one portion from infinite or just Choas King before he started conquest?

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#28  Edited By TonyStark6999
@badassbeck said:

Did Oblivon means Chaos King (The final state absorbed 98 percents of the multiverse) his one portion from infinite or just Choas King before he started conquest?

CK absorbed everything by the end, except a few pieces of Earth, which are, however, irrelevant. Actually, he was talking about both.

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The Empty Hand is literally the reader. You and me are the Empty Hand. We stomp.

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#31  Edited By Ouroborik

Stupid ass thread and stupid ass answers.

Empty Hand only ever appeared at the very end of a single comic-book chapter and did absolutely nothing. There is also no indication that Empty Hand is the reader. We know Empty Hand is metafictional but there is no evidence of it being the reader other than fan-theories. The reader in Multiversity was stated very clearly to be the person holding the comic book and not anyone in the story. The whole point of Multiversity is that it is aware of being just a comic book limited by the pictures and text it can show to the reader. I don't see how that suddenly translates to the reader becoming a character in the pages.

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According to Morrison:

Always I've thought, and particularly now in the era of event-driven comics where characters are subjected to these absolutely life-ruining events in every story arc, I wanted to sum up what all these stories are. It's where the characters get to the end and they appear to have beaten the bad guy, and then an even bigger bad guy shows up and says, "I'll get you later." The real big bad guy at the end - he looks like the Ultra Comics character, but he's also the reader. The empty hand of the reader when he puts the comic down and everything ends. But like the bad guy, he can also come back in full force and say, "You'll meet me again."

I like my books to have multiple meanings. There's multiple ways of reading it. The big bad at the end represents all the big bads in every story. We just beat that villain, now here comes the Anti-Monitor. We just beat the Anti-Monitor, now here comes something that's bigger than big. That was my thinking - the ultimate bigger than big, the ultimate universe destroyer. It's the reader, who chooses to either participate or not."

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#34  Edited By Neutral-kun

Oblivion and it should be obvious.

One represents my empty hand.

The other represents and embodies nonexistence as a whole and emptiness

My empty hand is literally trillions less than apercentage of all of nothingness.

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Empty Hand is featless...

Oblivion should godstomp

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One with feats

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Oblivion stomps

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The hand is empty and has no feats.....Nothingness wins

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The Empty Hand is literally the reader. You and me are the Empty Hand. We stomp.

Empty Hand stomps, and he is not the reader. it is Ultra comics, and he is the embodiment of all readers. Like you and me. Empty Hand/The Gentry is something far worse than the readers. They would be something like a ghost or higher dimensional being reading a comic book instead of an actual person.

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OT: Multi oblivion stomps fodder hand

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Oblivion is the real life void. This should be the easiest battle on Comicvine.

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#44  Edited By ElSpectrum

Empty Hand god-stomps for what It was seen in Ultra comics

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Empty Hand Stomps He destroyed the pre-crisis multiverse

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Oblivion stomps the fodder with no feats

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#48  Edited By LevTarkovski

Oblivion is an avatar that represents a nothingless which is bound by quantum mechanics and linked to only single quantifiable multiverse, he gets destroyed by Empty Hand.

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@mandabub said:
@manofmanynames2 said:

The Empty Hand is literally the reader. You and me are the Empty Hand. We stomp.

@sladeracer said:

Empty Hand stomps, and he is not the reader. it is Ultra comics, and he is the embodiment of all readers. Like you and me. Empty Hand/The Gentry is something far worse than the readers. They would be something like a ghost or higher dimensional being reading a comic book instead of an actual person.

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OT: Multi oblivion stomps fodder hand

There is more than enough evidence that Empty Hand is the reader. Oblivion gets stomped.