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Oblivion vs Empty Hand
I say Oblivion from what I read is that nothing can stop or kill Oblivion because he eats attacks and all becomes nothing when one stares into his real form
I say Oblivion from what I read is that nothing can stop or kill Oblivion because he eats attacks and all becomes nothing when one stares into his real form
I hear from some on a few forums about Empty Hand that he represents the reader's hand when he puts the comic down. And that he destroyed "Multiverse-2" according to this scan. Now If these two things are true, it implies the following light about Empty Hand:
- Empty Hand has Possible DC Metafictional type level of existence, that is questionably near or equivalent to that of the Primal Monitor itself since his hand puts down the Primal Monitor that is the sheet of every DC comic page ever. If this nature is further exploited by the writers in the future, it could shed better light as to his nature's very own level of existence to better understand.
- Empty hand has Multiversal Power behind him. But the complexity, mass or size of that so called "Multiverse-2" that he destroyed is unknown. I don't know if there are infinite universes in Multiverse-2 since DC has had a history of playing with both infinite type multiverses and finite type multiverses. Likely, I think it could be infinite universes but I could be wrong.
If these two things are true, as I am still skeptical, then Empty Hand is Oblivion's counterpart in DC in Multiversal monstrosity. Oblivion got some fucking shit coming to him if this is true, but I'm still skeptical since Empty Hand is still impossible to gauge. But I just want to lay out most liberal estimations of his power just for the sake of argument.
Yes, it is impossible to gauge Empty Hand at the moment. He could be a dimensioned low multiversal being, but he could also just as well be a being that either nearly rivals, rivals or surpasses Oblivion by either small or large magins. I have five different possible, as of now, equally plausible to me ratings for Empty Hand that all differ in outcome against Oblivion.
Does this scan's context imply Multiversal destruction? Would anyone care?
There is also the quote I got from other forum debaters of Grant Morrison talking about Empty Hand which is the only basis for him being the empty hand of the reader that puts the comic down.
"The real big bad guy at the end - he looks like the Ultra Comics character, but he's also the reader. The empty hand of the reader when he puts the comic down and everything ends. But like the bad guy, he can also come back in full force and say, "You'll meet me again."- Grant Morrison on the Empty Hand
@soratoumiga: Empty hand claps oblivion, my name all you people
@stezzy: Yes, oblivion is absurdly powerful, but i don't think he can really tank EH tho
Ultraa lays the smackdown. Fun fact, not relevant to the topic but still fun, Ultraa appeared in Countdown briefly.
Who the fook are these guys.
The embodiment of nothingness (oblivion) vs the representation of the reader and he’s empty hand when not holding a comic.
Its impossible to say who wins
Oblivion says he would thrive if we as the readers died and nothing existed.
Empty hand creates and destroys multiverses, the world ends when he chooses.
They are conceptually impossibLe to equate.
Using feats neither can die but Oblivion would be in a losing battle in which he doesn’t die but is pummeled for an eternity, as creation weakens him and Empty hand can create multiverses.
Did Oblivon means Chaos King (The final state absorbed 98 percents of the multiverse) his one portion from infinite or just Choas King before he started conquest?
Oblivion.
Did Oblivon means Chaos King (The final state absorbed 98 percents of the multiverse) his one portion from infinite or just Choas King before he started conquest?
CK absorbed everything by the end, except a few pieces of Earth, which are, however, irrelevant. Actually, he was talking about both.
Empty Hand sweeps.
Stupid ass thread and stupid ass answers.
Empty Hand only ever appeared at the very end of a single comic-book chapter and did absolutely nothing. There is also no indication that Empty Hand is the reader. We know Empty Hand is metafictional but there is no evidence of it being the reader other than fan-theories. The reader in Multiversity was stated very clearly to be the person holding the comic book and not anyone in the story. The whole point of Multiversity is that it is aware of being just a comic book limited by the pictures and text it can show to the reader. I don't see how that suddenly translates to the reader becoming a character in the pages.
According to Morrison:
Always I've thought, and particularly now in the era of event-driven comics where characters are subjected to these absolutely life-ruining events in every story arc, I wanted to sum up what all these stories are. It's where the characters get to the end and they appear to have beaten the bad guy, and then an even bigger bad guy shows up and says, "I'll get you later." The real big bad guy at the end - he looks like the Ultra Comics character, but he's also the reader. The empty hand of the reader when he puts the comic down and everything ends. But like the bad guy, he can also come back in full force and say, "You'll meet me again."
I like my books to have multiple meanings. There's multiple ways of reading it. The big bad at the end represents all the big bads in every story. We just beat that villain, now here comes the Anti-Monitor. We just beat the Anti-Monitor, now here comes something that's bigger than big. That was my thinking - the ultimate bigger than big, the ultimate universe destroyer. It's the reader, who chooses to either participate or not."
Oblivion and it should be obvious.
One represents my empty hand.
The other represents and embodies nonexistence as a whole and emptiness
My empty hand is literally trillions less than apercentage of all of nothingness.
@neutral-kun: What? Empty hand should stomp
The Empty Hand is literally the reader. You and me are the Empty Hand. We stomp.
Empty Hand stomps, and he is not the reader. it is Ultra comics, and he is the embodiment of all readers. Like you and me. Empty Hand/The Gentry is something far worse than the readers. They would be something like a ghost or higher dimensional being reading a comic book instead of an actual person.
OT: Multi oblivion stomps fodder hand
@mandabub: I agree.
Oblivion is an avatar that represents a nothingless which is bound by quantum mechanics and linked to only single quantifiable multiverse, he gets destroyed by Empty Hand.
The Empty Hand is literally the reader. You and me are the Empty Hand. We stomp.
Empty Hand stomps, and he is not the reader. it is Ultra comics, and he is the embodiment of all readers. Like you and me. Empty Hand/The Gentry is something far worse than the readers. They would be something like a ghost or higher dimensional being reading a comic book instead of an actual person.
OT: Multi oblivion stomps fodder hand
There is more than enough evidence that Empty Hand is the reader. Oblivion gets stomped.
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