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Obi Wan & his rivals

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Anakin & his rivals

  • Everyone is prime versions
  • Base Anakin, no Knightfall Vader
  • Good teamwork on both sides
  • Win by any means
  • Location is the Hypori ship from 2003 Clone Wars
  1. Round 1 is Canon versions
  2. Round 2 is Legends versions

Disclaimer for Legends round

  • Seen as though the pre Disney acquisition LFL hierarchy system (G canon, C canon etc) is no longer compulsory, it will not apply here. Therefore, G canon will not have supremacy. Although Lucas is still a filmmaker so his WoG can apply when it pertains to his own films, but not the wider verse
  • In Legends, sources can be weighed equally but given that CV is a feats oriented website, it can be assumed that people will debate on who has the better feats. That said, scaling chains, in universe logic/intent and accolades can still counter balance
  • In case it isn't obvious, content such as lego SW, alternate endings/DLC, crossovers with other universes, infinites etc aren't allowed
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R1. Team 2. Dooku beats Obi Wan and has FL to help Ventress, along with her own force powers against GG. Anakin destroys Maul.

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Anakin's team.

Anakin beats Maul

Dooku beats Kenobi

Ventress can at least hold her own against GG.

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Very interesting battle. This is actually very close and it can go either way for Canon. I'll lean towards team 2 for this one though. I would also think that at least one person from team 2 won't make it.

For Legends, team 2 definitely wins. Dooku can kill Grevious and Anakin defeats Obi-Wan with enough time to assist Ventress in beating Maul.

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Canon I’m taking Anakins team, however in Legends; GG stomps Ventress and Carries his team

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Canon: Team 2 takes 7/10. Team Anakin wins in a good fight, Dooku defeats Maul in a good fight, Anakin/Obi-Wan and Ventress/Grievous fight to a relative stalemate. Grievous is a relative weak link, so that is why Kenobi’s team loses.

Legends: Team 2 takes 8-9/10. Team Anakin wins more decisively, Dooku is just too powerful force wise, he could just ragdoll Obi-Wan once again (or Maul for that matter) and then help his teammates. Also, Anakin vs Maul in Legends would be alot more decisive in Skywalker’s favour. Grievous probably kills Ventress rather easily but he cannot take Dooku and Anakin after that.

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Canon: Team 1

Darth Maul beats Dooku in a good fight, Dooku is not his superior in anything; this is base Anakin before beating Dooku, so he shouldn't be capable of win against Mustafar Obi-Wan with Soresu; and between Venteess and Grievous is close, Ventress beat him once in with diff but she was amped by the Dathomir Nexus (although is confusing how that works), in either way the winner is going to end in bad conditions and gets stomped by the others

Legends: Team 1

Grievous here is totally above Ventress and has beaten her easily before, Maul and Dooku I am adding with Maul due his feats againt Vader, Sidious, Windu and Obi-Wan, and Kenobi and light-side Anakin is basically the same again, it should be close but Anakin is not going to best Obi-Wan without any darkside amp

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@hody_jones: Team 2 in legends is winning here. Dooku beats Grievous, Anakin beats Maul and Kenobi would ultimately be overwhelmed.

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#14  Edited By BreakOfDawn

Canon: Team 2.

Legends: Team 2 in an amazing fight. Anakin bests Obi-Wan, Dooku beats Maul in a goodish fight, and Ventress holds off Grievous until one of the others can help.

It comes down to the MVPs of both teams (Kenobi and Anakin). Kenobi has one dead weight and another character who's very skilled but has shown himself time and time again to be inferior to the big three here (Dooku, Anakin - by proxy - and Obi-Wan), albeit not by much.

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Anakin > Maul, Dooku > Obi-Wan, GG > Ventress, but she can hold her own for a while, favoring team 2.

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@hellothere5432: Reasoning?

Better in nearly every area. We have at least 4 quotes stating AOTC Dooku is significantly better than TPM Maul. Even permitting immense growth for Maul between TPM and SoD (the best we ever found for this is that he grew significantly), Dooku also grew significantly between AOTC and ROTS.

The only area Maul is better in his agility, and that's not helping him. Dooku has much better feats, better accolades, better scaling, and better intent.

Grievous in legends was beating Mace in LOE despite being hindered by the Maglev train.

He wasn't "beating" him. The two were duelling, Grievous created a rough imitation of Vaapad, Mace was in a rush and slashed downwards to get him to fall off the train. Grievous nearly killed him because he left himself open - which Mace dodged with time to spare - as he outmanoeuvred and defeated Grievous.

Grievous has also trashed Obi Wan in duels throughout CW with Obi Wan obviously being superior to Ventress.

Ventress and Obi-Wan have gone back and forth over the course of the Clone Wars. Ventress has likewise fought 19 BBY Anakin and held her own - even landed blows - who himself is virtually equal to prime Obi-Wan in skill.

As for "trashing" Obi-Wan, Grievous hasn't properly outduelled Kenobi in some time. Each time, he's either exploited his extra arms, or landed a single hit and it's been interrupted by the environment. He's never actually defeated him with technical skill since around 20 BBY. Since then, Kenobi's duelling ability improved massively.

If you want to be specific about it:

Grievous and Kenobi have fought 5 times; Kamino, Saleucami (twice), the Venator, and Utapau.

Kamino: Grievous uses his extra arms to grab Kenobi and throw him, Kenobi yeets him, then the duel is interrupted. Inconclusive.

Saleucami #1: Grievous lands a kick, Kenobi overpowers him in a saber lock, the two fight back and forth, Kenobi throws a destroyed Magnaguard at Grievous, and Grievous retreats. They then fight in the boarding tunnel, before it's interrupted. Inconclusive.

Saleucami #2: They fight, Obi-Wan disarms him, Grievous kicks him, then escapes. Inconclusive.

Venator: An angry Obi-Wan engages, gets kicked, then realises the ship is lost and retreats. Inconclusive.

Utapau: The two duel, Obi-Wan progressively severs two of Grievous' hands, Force Pushes him, then he retreats. They then continue their fight with unconventional weapons, until Obi-Wan wins. Win for Obi-Wan.

So at what point does Grievous "trash" Kenobi? If you're going to base that off of the times Grievous has struck or grappled with Kenobi, I'd remind you that it's quite common for near-equals or equals to land blows on each other, especially if one is more of a brawler than the other.

Grievous would decimate Ventress.

All evidence to the contrary.

How is Kenobi the MVP when Maul rag dolled Florrum amped Obi Wan twice while pre-prime. Florrum amped Obi Wan should be on par with or at least near his ROTS self.

Based upon what, exactly? Or are you saying Maul is more powerful than MFV, since prime Kenobi deflected Force attacks from him?

Legends wise Maul is superior to Dooku, Jedi Anakin and Obi Wan.

...Right. The only person Maul is better than here is Ventress, and she'll be more interested in Grievous or Obi-Wan.

Grievous as well is far more than a match for Ventress

He's better, sure. He's not stomping her in her prime, though.

and can give Anakin a hard fight.

Debatable. Anakin is more skilled than Obi-Wan from a technical standpoint per Gillard. Regardless, Grievous and Anakin won't be fighting, so this is irrelevant.

Maul takes Dooku, Grievous slaughters Ventress and Obi Wan fends off Anakin long enough for the other two to help him.

Maul is not taking Dooku, and Grievous is not slaughtering Ventress.

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@uhu123: Anakin is laughably better than Maul.

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Interesting battle. Firstly, Anakin is more likely than not attracted toward Obi Wan as they have the intimacy. And it was established that Anakin > Obi Wan

Next, Dooku will probably engage Maul as they are the most powerful left, and they will compete for the top spot in the Sidious apprentice hierarchy, in which case Dooku edges it out. Asajj can at least contend with GG for a long enough time so team 1 8-9/10

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Better in nearly every area. We have at least 4 quotes stating AOTC Dooku is significantly better than TPM Maul.

All of which have not only been utterly debunked by logical analysis, but also Lucas' own statements of TPM Maul being equal to ROTS Dooku.

Dooku's canonical superiority over Maul

Dooku has several OOU quotes comparing him to Maul and all of them note him as the superior of the 2.

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The first of 5 sources Redguardian has posted to try and establish Dooku's superiority to TPM Maul. Upon first glance, this quote may seem pretty clear cut: Dooku is better than Maul, "no contest". However, if we dive deeper into the reasoning given by the source itself, which is the Dooku is more knowledgeable than Maul, and would beat him with that, we can conclude that the answer the author gave is, bullshit.

Starting off, Maul had 10 more years of training in the darkside than Dooku had, and according to Dooku, that training had been "beyond his most spectacular fantasies":

Not only had the Dark Lord introduced Dooku to realms of power beyond his most spectacular fantasies, but Sidious was also a political manipulator so subtle that his abilities might be considered to dwarf even the power of the dark side itself.

Source: Revenge of the Sith Novelization

Maul had 10 more years of training than Dooku did of powers that were "beyond his most spectacular fantasies", so the whole idea of Dooku being more knowledgeable than Maul is outright false. Just because Dooku displayed more esoteric abilities doesn't mean he is more knowledgeable.

Furthermore, to prove that even if Dooku had a knowledge advantage it would be meaningless, I would like to introduce you to a man called Anakin Skywalker. Someone who is less knowledgeable than Dooku, much less, yet utterly trashed him in a duel to the point where "his knowledge of the Force became a joke".

This is the death of Count Dooku: A starburst of clarity blossoms within Anakin Skywalker's mind, when he says to himself Oh. I get it, now and discovers that the fear within his heart can be a weapon, too. It is that simple, and that complex. And it is final. Dooku is dead already. The rest is mere detail. The play is still on; the comedy of lightsabers flashes and snaps and hisses. Dooku & Skywalker, a one-time-only command performance, for an audience of one. Jedi and Sith and Sith and Jedi, spinning, whirling, crashing together, slashing and chopping, parrying, binding, slipping and whipping and ripping the air around them with snarls of power.

And all for nothing, because a nuclear flame has consumed Anakin Skywalker's Jedi restraint, and fear becomes fury without effort, and fury is a blade that makes his lightsaber into a toy. The play goes on, but the suspense is over. It has become mere pantomime, as intricate and as meaningless as the space-time curves that guide galactic clusters through a measureless cosmos. Dooku's decades of combat experience are irrelevant. His mastery of swordplay is useless. His vast wealth, his political influence, impeccable breeding, immaculate manners, exquisite taste-the pursuits and points of pride to which he has devoted so much of his time and attention over the long, long years of his life-are now chains hung upon his spirit, bending his neck before the ax. Even his knowledge of the Force has become a joke. It is this knowledge that shows him his death, makes him handle it, turn it this way and that in his mind, examine it in detail like a black gemstone so cold it burns. Dooku's elegant farce has degenerated into bathetic melodrama, and not one shed tear will mark the passing of its hero. But for Anakin, in the fight there is only terror, and rage.

Source: Revenge of the Sith Novelization

If Dooku's vast knowledge was truly the biggest factor in all of his fights, as this source insinuates, than he should have smoked Anakin. Yet it was quite the opposite. Now I'm not saying TPM Maul=Zonakin, never would I say that. My point is to criticize the flawed logic used by this source. Having greater knowledge than someone doesn't mean you'll beat them. Caedus knew force powers even Luke himself didn't, that doesn't mean Caedus is > Luke.

More sophisticated, more calculating, and if anything deadlier than Maul, Count Dooku (a.k.a. Darth Tyranus) proved himself more than a match for the combined skills of Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker in Attack of the Clones.

There is no indication that the "deadlier", in the source is referring to combative skill. Rather, it is most likely referring to the adjectives preceding it: sophisticated and calculating, which make Dooku more deadly than Maul, not that Dooku is outright better than Maul in combat.

Although again, that is also false since Maul captured Dooku, meaning Maul is more tactically capable. Though the source would be referring to TPM Maul, since it was issued prior to TCW.

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This is the only quote thus far that could actually amplify your cause for Dooku>Maul. However, there is an alternate interpretation.

So I assume the interpretation you're going for is that, once Sidious lost Maul, he took on more powerful apprentices such as Dooku and Vader. Which would lead to Dooku>Maul. However going down this path would contradict your own beliefs, since Vader is included in the apprentices that succeed Maul. Meaning Vader would be more powerful than Maul, yet you hold Vader below TPM Kenobi. So off the bat your interpretation of the quote to try and squirm Dooku>Maul conflicts with your views regarding another character cited in the quote, rendering it a double standard. And before you try and claim that the quote is referring to Knightfall Vader, know that at the bottom, it's citing Darth Vader as he is killing the Emperor, when he's in the suit. When he's sub TPM Kenobi according to you.

My alternate interpretation, the correct interpretation is as follows: the quote saying Sidious took on "even more powerful disciples" doesn't refer to the idea that Dooku and Vader are more powerful than Maul, no. It refers to the fact that after Maul, Sidious took on a larger amount of powerful disciples, that being Vader and Dooku. Basically, the "even" has nothing to do with power, rather, how many disciples took on and the fact that he took more on.

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Furthermore, the last quote is written by Pablo Hidalgo and as a result it had more LFL involvement than the average source.

All this quote says is that Dooku is more skilled than Maul, and frankly, I don't disagree. Dooku is TPM Maul's senior by over five decades, he's obviously going to have had more experience, which in turn leads to being more skilled.

Though keep in mind, as I said when addressing the first quote: skill and knowledge isn't everything, and I don't see the skill difference between Maul and Dooku being vast given the amount of accolades Maul has.

These are further supported by Kenobi's opinion.

"Count Dooku's fall has troubled us all," Obi-Wan acknowledged. "Now we have a great and powerful enemy." His thoughts turned to his battle with Dooku. He had never met such power in battle before. He had never come up against something that had completely overpowered him. Even meeting the Sith Lord who had killed Qui-Gon had not been the same.

Ah yes, completely infallible IU opinions. No character IU has ever been incorrect right? Wrong. Now, I am not saying all IU opinions are invalid, but due to circumstances surrounding events that characters might not take into consideration, they should taken with a grain of salt or analyzed thoroughly; and I'm going to do just that.

Here are three reasons why Kenobi make have the skewed conception that Dooku is > Maul.

Note: Kenobi didn't even say Dooku>Maul, all he said was that Dooku dominated him more than Maul did.

1) In TPM, Kenobi and Jinn had perfect teamwork against Maul, and as a result were able to leverage Maul's attacks as a team rather than individuals. Compare that to AOTC, where Anakin and Kenobi are fighting Dooku separately, and that obviously means Dooku will have an easier time dealing with them than Maul did Jinn and Kenobi.

2) The only time Kenobi fought Maul alone was when he was exuberantly rage amped, and even then he was outclassed once Maul got over the surprise factor. The reason why this is such an important variable, is because Kenobi would then have a flawed measure of Maul's power in relation to his own, since he was circumstantially amped. Beforehand, even with Qui-Gon's help, this is how Kenobi was felt when facing Maul:

So this is a Sith Lord, he thought fleetingly as he dodged and leaped. It was taking every skill he knew just to stay alive.

Source: The Phantom Menace Novelization

3) Unlike Maul, Dooku had a unique advantage over Kenobi's Ataru due to the fact that Dooku trained Qui-Gon, who trained Kenobi.

Kenobi's Master had been Qui-Gon Jinn, Dooku's own Padawan; Dooku had fenced Qui-Gon thousands of times, and he knew every weakness of the Ataro form, with its ridiculous acrobatics.

Source: Revenge of the Sith Novelization

Now this actually isn't unique to the AOTC fight either. In TCW S6, Kenobi gets utterly dominated by Dooku despite the fact that him and Anakin are essentially peers at the time (and Anakin isn't dominated by Dooku). The reason being is Kenobi's Ataru, which is displayed by his use of acrobatics throughout the fight: a trademark of Ataru. Come ROTS, Kenobi is able to stone wall Dooku's finest assault, to the point where Dooku resorts to abusing the Force against him.

He threw himself spinning up and away from the two Jedi to land on the situation table, disengaging for a moment to recover his composure-that had been entirely too close-but by the time his boots touched down Kenobi was there to meet him, blade weaving through a defensive velocity so bewilderingly fast that Dooku dared not even try a strike; he threw a feint toward Kenobi's face, then dropped and spun in a reverse ankle-sweep-But not only did Kenobi easily overleap this attack, Dooku nearly lost his own foot to a slash from Skywalker who had again come out of nowhere and now carved through the table so that it collapsed under Dooku's weight and dumped the Sith Lord unceremoniously to the floor. This was not in the plan."

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He drove a series of flashing thrusts toward Kenobi's legs to draw the Jedi Master into a flipping overhead leap so that Dooku could burn through his spine from kidneys to shoulder blades-and this image, this plan, was so clear in Dooku's mind that he almost failed to notice that Kenobi met every one of his thrusts without so much as moving his feet, staying perfectly centered, perfectly balanced, blade never moving a millimeter more than was necessary, deflecting without effort, riposting with flickering strikes and stabs swifter than the tongue of a Garollian ghost viper, and when Dooku felt Skywalker regain his feet and stride once more toward his back, he finally registered the source of that blinding defensive velocity Kenobi had used a moment ago, and only then, belatedly, did he understand that Kenobi's Ataro and Shii-Cho had been ploys, as well.

Kenobi had become a master of Soresu.

Source: Revenge of the Sith Novelization

This is once Kenobi started using Soresu against Dooku rather than Ataru.

These three confounding variables (along with feats) substantiate the idea that Kenobi had a misconstrued conception of Maul's power, and even then, he's probably right that Maul didn't dominate him to the same extent Dooku did due to the reasons I addressed above.

The only area Maul is better in his agility, and that's not helping him.

How about strength? You know, given Maul is > Savage who ragdolled Dooku when he tried to straight up block his strike.

Dooku has much better feats,

On the surface level sure.

better accolades,

Definitely not.

better scaling,

Again no.

and better intent.

Given it is Lucas' intent that TPM Maul=ROTS Dooku=ROTJ Vader: nope again.

As for "trashing" Obi-Wan, Grievous hasn't properly outduelled Kenobi in some time. Each time, he's either exploited his extra arms, or landed a single hit and it's been interrupted by the environment. He's never actually defeated him with technical skill since around 20 BBY. Since then, Kenobi's duelling ability improved massively.

If you want to be specific about it:

Grievous and Kenobi have fought 5 times; Kamino, Saleucami (twice), the Venator, and Utapau.

Kamino: Grievous uses his extra arms to grab Kenobi and throw him, Kenobi yeets him, then the duel is interrupted. Inconclusive.

Saleucami #1: Grievous lands a kick, Kenobi overpowers him in a saber lock, the two fight back and forth, Kenobi throws a destroyed Magnaguard at Grievous, and Grievous retreats. They then fight in the boarding tunnel, before it's interrupted. Inconclusive.

Saleucami #2: They fight, Obi-Wan disarms him, Grievous kicks him, then escapes. Inconclusive.

Venator: An angry Obi-Wan engages, gets kicked, then realises the ship is lost and retreats. Inconclusive.

Utapau: The two duel, Obi-Wan progressively severs two of Grievous' hands, Force Pushes him, then he retreats. They then continue their fight with unconventional weapons, until Obi-Wan wins. Win for Obi-Wan.

So at what point does Grievous "trash" Kenobi? If you're going to base that off of the times Grievous has struck or grappled with Kenobi, I'd remind you that it's quite common for near-equals or equals to land blows on each other, especially if one is more of a brawler than the other.

The only reason some of those fights are inconclusive is because Kenobi abused the Force against Grievous. In a duel, Grievous consistently beats Kenobi. The only time where Kenobi "won" a duel was when he caught Grievous from behind on Saleucami.

All evidence to the contrary.

Well let's see:

  • Hardpressing Dooku, who we've seen destroy Ventress.
  • Hardpresses Kenobi in ROTS, who is relative to Dooku.
  • Hardpresses Windu in LOE while hindered, who is also relative to Dooku.

Based upon what, exactly? Or are you saying Maul is more powerful than MFV, since prime Kenobi deflected Force attacks from him?

That's exactly what we're saying.

...Right. The only person Maul is better than here is Ventress, and she'll be more interested in Grievous or Obi-Wan.

  • Ignores that Maul is confirmed superior to Grievous as of TPM by Lucas, and is stated to have easily beat Grievous in SOD.
  • Ignores that Maul is a confirmed equal of Dooku as of TPM by Lucas.
  • Ignores that Maul consistently dominates Obi-Wan with the Force, and that Jedi Anakin is a peer of Kenobi.

As always, your argument is comprised of appeals to incredulity. Never change bod.

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Interesting battle. Firstly, Anakin is more likely than not attracted toward Obi Wan as they have the intimacy. And it was established that Anakin > Obi Wan

Next, Dooku will probably engage Maul as they are the most powerful left, and they will compete for the top spot in the Sidious apprentice hierarchy, in which case Dooku edges it out. Asajj can at least contend with GG for a long enough time so team 1 8-9/10

Reasoning for Dooku beating Maul??

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Is it really against the rules to have alts? Never heard that before.

While banned, i think so, when Frozen Nuked Dbzfan44 that was one of the reasons

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Either way but edge to team 2

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@darthor said:

Interesting battle. Firstly, Anakin is more likely than not attracted toward Obi Wan as they have the intimacy. And it was established that Anakin > Obi Wan

Next, Dooku will probably engage Maul as they are the most powerful left, and they will compete for the top spot in the Sidious apprentice hierarchy, in which case Dooku edges it out. Asajj can at least contend with GG for a long enough time so team 1 8-9/10

Reasoning for Dooku beating Maul??

Quotes that compare them:

Obi-Wan remarks that he has never met combative power on a par with Dooku's, including that of Darth Maul's:

"Count Dooku's fall has troubled us all," Obi-Wan acknowledged. "Now we have a great and powerful enemy." His thoughts turned to his battle with Dooku. He had never met such power in battle before. He had never come up against something that had completely overpowered him. Even meeting the Sith Lord who had killed Qui-Gon had not been the same.

Source: Legacy of the Jedi

Canon: Dooku's lightsaber skills are better than anything seen in The Phantom Menace, including those of Darth Maul, Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi:

We're trying to go much more classical for some characters," says Gillard, "Some of the characters are real master swordsmen, better than anything we've seen so far. So we're using an old, classical European style for a couple of the characters.

Source: Homing Beacon #57

Canon: Jeremy Barlow, writer of the Son of Dathomir series, claims that Darth Maul's Force power is not on the same level as Count Dooku's:

His power isn’t on Vader’s level, true, or even on Count Dooku’s level — but that never stops him. He stands alongside the Sith Lords only by sheer force of will.

Source: http://www.previewsworld.com/Home/1/1/71/950?articleID=145871

Note, while this quote is C-canon, the OP specifically stated that there are no disparity between G-canon and C-canon, so it still counts

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@hellothere5432 said:

@frozen

Another mod handed him a weeks temp ban for insults.

Also not sure why but my notifications haven't been working at all today. Do you know of any way to fix them?

I'm experiencing the same problem

Same.

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R1: Maul can beat Dooku with high diff, Obi-wan contended against an amped dark-side Anakin, he is not going to lose against a base Anakin, Ventress defeated Grievous with an amp, here the thing is more complicated

R2: Maul beats Dooku even more easily, Grievous claps Ventress without much trouble between Obi-Wan and Anakin the winner is Obi-Wan, and even If the battle of Obi-Wan or Maul is complicated, Grievous would help either of them after killing Ventress

Obi-Wan team wins the two times

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#43  Edited By Lord_Tenebrous

@darthor said:

Quotes that compare them:

Obi-Wan remarks that he has never met combative power on a par with Dooku's, including that of Darth Maul's:

"Count Dooku's fall has troubled us all," Obi-Wan acknowledged. "Now we have a great and powerful enemy." His thoughts turned to his battle with Dooku. He had never met such power in battle before. He had never come up against something that had completely overpowered him. Even meeting the Sith Lord who had killed Qui-Gon had not been the same.

Source: Legacy of the Jedi

Oh, we mustn't forget this, from Star Wars Insider:

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Insider actually provided a more detailed analysis in another issue, comparing their strengths:

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Of course, it concluded that Dooku would achieve a sweeping victory, in both the Force and lightsaber dueling:

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@darthor said:

Canon: Jeremy Barlow, writer of the Son of Dathomir series, claims that Darth Maul's Force power is not on the same level as Count Dooku's:

His power isn’t on Vader’s level, true, or even on Count Dooku’s level — but that never stops him. He stands alongside the Sith Lords only by sheer force of will.

Source: http://www.previewsworld.com/Home/1/1/71/950?articleID=145871

Note, while this quote is C-canon, the OP specifically stated that there are no disparity between G-canon and C-canon, so it still counts

Now, to be fair, Barlow did give Maul a slim majority over the Count when asked:

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Because sheer power isn't as influential as lightsaber skill in a traditional Star Wars battle.

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@darthadi said:

Anakin's team.

Anakin beats Maul

Dooku beats Kenobi

Ventress can at least hold her own against GG.

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Team Anakin. Ventress is a weak link, but if used properly can delay things long enough for the teamwork and synergy of a Dooku/Anakin team.

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#47  Edited By BAMDuelist

Obi-Wan team. Base Anakin can try all day If he wants and he is not going to beat Mustafar Obi-Wan, specially in canon during all TCW is clearly below his master and where only amped dark-side Anakin is capable of challenge Obi-Wan, and due to circumstances seen in their battle, he would not beat him even with the power of darkside. Ventress is a strong weak link in Legends, she would not last against Grevious, and she might be beaten even in canon since she only defeated with difficult inside a darkside nexus that amps only nightsisters, Dooku and Maul is a whole issue, some thinks that Maul wins, others think Dooku wins, but whorever wins is not going to left in conditions.

Team 1 wins due their advantages,

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This is a good idea, but it might be more fair if you swapped Dooku and Maul. Team 2 with moderate difficulty. Dooku>Maul, Anakin(when not being an idiot)>Obi, and we saw Ventress beat Grevious with serious difficulty.

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#49  Edited By Slash03

Team 2 wins, both rounds. Anakin and Dooku can make it even though Ventress is the weak link.

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#50  Edited By ElSpectrum

Team 1 wins

Mustafar Obi-Wan > Ligthside Anakin

Grievous > Ventress (in Legends is Grievous >>>>> Ventress)

Maul > Dooku