Obi Wan Kenobi Vs Ahsoka Tano Vs Darth Maul

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Obi > Maul >> Ahsoka IMO

Don’t take it personal bestie <3

Maul's prime is TCW. Unless Maul is not toying or Kenobi isn't amped;

Maul > Kenobi > Ahsoka.

There is no way Obi-Wan is more powerful than Maul, unless of course Kenobi isn't amped due to someone is dying or being in danger of dying.

Agreed with Ahsoka being inferior to both though.

Obi-wan. His style is best suited for this kind of fight and while he is the least powerful person here, he has enough power to defend himself and the durability to keep going after getting force pushed.

Obi-Wan > Maul > Ahsoka

Since when did he protect himself against Maul unless Kenobi isn't extremely amped due to PIS? You need someone dying or being in danger so Kenobi can actually amp himself against Maul and win a fight. In the final account Maul beat Kenobi more even if we count all the amplifications / PIS situations that happened in favor of Kenobi due to someone is dying / or being in danger of dying.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/erkan12/blog/all-the-fights-between-darth-maul-vs-obi-wan-kenob/142149/

Maul 5-3 Kenobi.

Ahsoka beats Maul as of TCW back in season 7. He dies

This is between Obi-Wan and Ahsoka.

Your trolling towards Maul needs to improve.

The director of TCW show says Maul > Ahsoka;

Dave Filoni: ''When Ahsoka pauses and struggles at the break in the fight, it was really meant to portray the toll it took on her compete against Maul. I wanted to take a lot out of Ahsoka to compete at his level. He is the stronger sword fighter.''

Source: Clone Wars Download: "Shattered"

And the Rebels show itself says Maul > Ahsoka;

''Kanan agrees to split the group up, the logical choice pairing Maul with the weakest of the Jedi.''

Source: Starwars.com/series/star-wars-rebels/twilight-of-the-apprentice-episode-gallery-2

The strongest Maul had to match with the weakest Jedi. It's Maul > SWR Ahsoka > Kanan > Ezra. Group A: Maul/Ezra. Group B: Ahsoka/Kanan.

-Ahsoka fans: ''Ahsoka beats Maul.'' LOL.

Find another thing to lowball Maul.

@erkan12: Every time he’s forced pushed Kenobi, he was either off guard or in a position where he couldn’t put up his active force wall. The last force push Maul used on Kenobi was a rage amped push btw.

@erkan12:

Your trolling towards Maul needs to improve. The director of the TCW show, and the Rebels show itself says Maul > Ahsoka.

Ahsoka fans: ''Ahsoka beats Maul.'' LOL.

Find another thing to lowball Maul.

Ahsoka hunted him down, interrogated, beat and captured Maul, as i say, way back in S7.

"I wanted it to take a lot of Ahsoka to compete at his level."

"Still, it should be difficult for Ahsoka, and it should take all of her focus and the ability to control her fear to allow her to defeat Maul in the end.” Filoni. So no, Maul wasn't even > than her back then, and it would make no sense that he is now.

Even if you Maul fans bring out the 'he wasn't at his best' card

A - There is no reason to believe he declined during TCW, this gives us an idea of how advanced she was at this stage when she beat him

B - She has grown considerably since then herself, as this is a Prime battle.

In Rebels she brushed him aside, went on to fight and contend with Prime Vader on a DS nexus, followed by fending off Sidious - which is why i have said this is between Obi Wan and her, as she actually has some good feats and scalling to warrant the comment. So she was Superior then, and there is no question that she is Superior now, No lowballing intended.

Inb4 the ambigous pic from the rebels show which apparently proves Mauls superiority - (it doesn't)

Lol what?

Maul is always ''rage amped'' that's what he was trained for as a Sith Lord. He was specifically trained to use his rage and anger, like every other Sith Lord in Banite Sith was trained in that way.

Sidious: ''Your anger is a tool.''

Vader is the same.

''When man and machine were one, he no longer felt the absence of his legs or arms, the pain of his flesh, but the hate remained, and the rage still burned. Those, he never relinquished, and he never felt more connected to the Force than when his fury burned..''

Source: Star Wars Lords of the Sith (2015)

There is no such a thing as ''rage amp'' for Sith Lords and Dark Side users, that's only for Jedi.

If you are claiming that Maul needs to see other things to use his rage and hate to its full potential, then you are basically saying that his mastery of the dark side is not sufficient, which is not true, as Sidious said Maul is well trained as a Sith Lord, he doesn't need other things to use his full potential of his rage and his hate. So in short, what you are saying that doesn't apply to dark siders, especially doesn't apply to well trained Sith Lords such as Maul.

Basically this.

@erkan12: Before Savage’s death, Sidious was only tagged once and that was only because he was distracted while Sidious tags them plenty of times. Once Savage dies, Maul tags Sidious once and Sidious only tags him once. How else could he outperform himself+Savage if he wasn’t rage amped?

@jedisympathiz3r: That's your subjective opinion only. The objective sources states that Maul initially had the ''upper hand'' at the beginning against Sidious, nothing really changes after Savage's death.

''Although the brothers initially gained the upper hand, Sidious proved too powerful, and impaled Opress in the chest with his lightsaber. Maul lashed out at his former master, but couldn't match Sidious's mastery of Force throw and Force lightning,''

Source: Star Wars The Clone Wars Magazine 19 (2013)

@erkan12: They did initially have the upper hand but after they were thrown off the balcony Sidious had the upper hand, he was constantly tagging them while they couldn’t return the favor. Your quote supports this since right after the underlined part it says that Sidious proved too powerful.

Canon or Legends, Obi-Wan solos.

Obi-Wan probably.

Goes down to maul vs obi tbh,ahsoka does go down with honor.

Prime Kenobi > Prime Maul > Prime Ahsoka

@w4nkdestroyer: this is prime Maul

@w4nkdestroyer: Prime Ahsoka is Mando Ahsoka (via Filoni referring to her as being a “master”) who Maul had no canonical relation to.

@w4nkdestroyer: Why do you always get triggered as a soon as someone thinks that Maul doesn’t win a fight?

No ill intent, I’m genuinely asking?

@w4nkdestroyer: How is ROTS Kenobi sub Grievous?

He won that fight.

And based on what quote is TPM Maul>Grievous?

As for why Kenobi wins, I find his performance against Mustafar Vader more impressive than what Maul and Ahsoka have (at least as of Rebels).

Yea i actually completely agree she didn't really showcase her abilities in the Mandalorian, but he has never called her a straight up master prior to the show like he did here so I think it's fair to say Mando Ahsoka > Rebels Ahsoka to a certain degree

"Ahsoka Tano is equivalent to a Jedi Master in The Mandalorian says Dave Filoni"

@flolikeyou: w4nkdestroyer is being completely fair, he doesn't seem triggered at all

@w4nkdestroyer: What amp?

@w4nkdestroyer:

He was giving himself into the force, same thing he did against Anakin on Mustafar.

It's not like this is an external amp or something circumstancial like entering oneness. If he can give himself into the force against Grievous he surely can do the same against Maul.

This is just the way Kenobi fights and operates. As of ROTS he can enter that state of mind easly if he did it twice in a few days.

Do you really think Kenobi would be able to beat Grievous when late TCW Kenobi was still getting beat by him?

He could have just grew.

Agreed. I think Maul and Ahsoka are closer than >>, probably just >.

Prime (TPM) Maul > prime (ROTS) Obi-Wan > prime (Mandalorian) Ahsoka.

Obi Wan wins

Now, now, Erkan. We all know supplementary sources can be mistaken -- and on a rather frequent basis. If that were not the case, however would you deal with these sources?

https://www.starwars.com/series/clone-wars/the-lawless-episode-gallery

~ The Official Star Wars Fact Files #44, Relaunched (2014)

~ The Official Star Wars Fact Files #44, Relaunched (2014)

~ The Official Star Wars Fact Files #75, Relaunched (2015)

~ The Official Star Wars Fact Files #75, Relaunched (2015)

~ Ultimate Star Wars (2015)

Hm, hm, hm. Fortunately, we have the episode itself at our disposal -- and said medium, as it so happens, portrays Maul & Savage as being trounced in combat:

Quite similar, in fact, to the manner in which Maul was thrashing the Inquisitors:

Only difference being, Sidious was simply having himself a good time against his opponents, eventually having had enough fun and proceeding to end things promptly:

At the end of the day, with Sidious, nobody was really going to be able to touch him. He had to be the strongest, most dangerous guy. And you could see at a certain point, he just puts his lightsabers away at the end of the fight and says, “I’m done with this,” and goes in and mauls Maul, so to speak.

~ Dave Filoni

Interviewer: He really always does have the upper hand in that fight.

Filoni: And he’s enjoying himself while he does it.

We've a plethora of creator statements establishing intent, that Sidious was utterly and immovably dominant in that fight, considerably superior to his foes:

http://www.starwars.com/news/interview-dave-filoni-on-star-wars-the-clone-wars-season-five-part-2

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/05/star-wars-the-clone-wars-dave-filoni-talks-about-the-death-watchdarth-maul-arc-and-the-casualties-along-the-way?page=2

Remember: You have to be either Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor.

Deleted scenes conflict with the finished product -- where Sidious is stated to be far more powerful than Maul -- by portraying the two as similarly, if not equally powerful.

Likewise, longevity means nothing when one party isn't putting in effort to win as soon as possible. There's also the drama component, key in Star Wars fiction. The only reason Ahsoka's duel with the Seventh Sister lasted as long as it did was because of Filoni wanting to prolong the fight for visual enjoyment purposes, and he would have preferred it longer.

I could have had that fight be all twenty-two minutes, because I was so excited. She's never really in jeopardy, Ahsoka, in that fight.

~ Dave Filoni

64 year old Sidious being winded has nothing to do with how he compares to his opponents in power, lightsaber prowess or physical strength. Only stamina.

@bayman007 said:

And yet, CW Ahsoka looks up to Master Aayla Secura in regard to combat skills:

~ Star Wars: The Complete Visual Dictionary, New Edition (2018)

And Master Secura was no match for Lord Maul:

~ Star Wars: Son of Dathomir #3

Obi-Wan. He's by no means the best here, but his mastery of Soresu is too OP here. Against 2 opponents, Kenobi can make sure he doesn't get overwhelmed (Grievous didn't so I don't see them doing it unless it's a pure 2v1) and he can find gaps in theirs as they fight each other.

Maul definitely goes for Kenobi full-on though, with Ahsoka and Kenobi 2v1ing him - he'd be the most aggressive and will suffer for it.

As for Ahsoka versus Kenobi, I'm confident Kenobi has it in the bag.

@lord_tenebrous: I mean, yeah, but that scaling only really works if you flat out ignore how Ahsoka DID match him (even if overconfident and distracted). I agree that PIS/CIS was a factor, but using a tiny detail in a guidebook to scale another character to be much more powerful when they've fought on-screen with a different outcome is silly to me.

Then again, I don't understand the obsession with using children's encyclopedias and guidebooks to contradict movies, comics, and shows in Star Wars.

Ahsoka competitively engaged him, she did not match him. He was still the superior combatant.

The guidebook is no more designed for children than the animated CW series. Star Wars in general is aimed at children.

That said, I do not seriously endorse the scaling chain, I'm simply putting it forward to Bayman. Maul's SOD feat is an outlying inconsistency -- if he's being pressed by Obi-Wan, Ventress, Ertay and even Ahsoka, clearly he's got no business outfighting someone of Mace's calibre. Especially not when Mace has another elite fighter backing him up.

@lord_tenebrous: Yeah, fair enough.

Ahsoka tends to be overrated, I don't really know how to place her, I don't think her disarming Maul makes much sense but she clearly was inferior.