Title says it all, both in their primes
Oberyn: When fighting The Mountain
Jaime: When he had his right hand
The only reason everyone picks jaime is because he is famous. He's been in tourney's and has been praised by for example barristan selmy. Which are impressive definetely but what actual feats does he has? Not a lot does he.
I will never deny that jaime is one of the greatest warriors there are but people should realize that for example jaime has never seen oberyn martell fight before, which should indicate that someone like jaime who lives in the 'capital' of westeros and other people like yes barristan selmy (fellow kingsguard) have never seen oberyn fight before. So the praise certain characters have in the books should be looked at by a critical point of view.
on the other hand, oberyn went to face probably one of the most dangerous and feared warriors of westeros in single combat, and humiliated him from the first moment to the last. Yes he was dragged down by his emotion but that's just the ironie of the series.On the other hand people hide behind the poison;
1 it was a slow acting poison so oberyn won the fight fair and square
2 oberyn didn't use it because he was afraid to lose, (slow acting????) but because he wanted a confession and wanted gregor to die a gruesom death. A death that no sword nor spear could inflict.
So I think it is more of a 50/50 fight because both fighters have theyre pro's and con's.
I'd say Jaime, he is far more agile and quicker than the mountain and his skills in swordsmanship are among the best ever. It will be entirely an entirely different fight because while the Mountain relies on his outstanding strength (with a fair amount of skills) Jaime in his part is full of agility and quickness, reaching him will be extremely difficult for Oberyn moreover it will be very difficult for him to prevent Jaime from closing the gap between them.
@chazz85: That claim is made of a lot of people in their prime for GoT. Just because some people don't have someone screaming their name and singing songs about them. Does not mean they are not more skilled than Jamie. I think some of the best fighters in the series do not have songs sang about them because there is nobody left to sing. On a serious note though. Jamie is in my top 5.
@nomar: Oberyn has literally one feat in the entire series, he's incredibly overrated and died because of it.
Jamie cut through literally an army of lordlings, masters at arms and equivalents of northern Knights by himself, that feat trumps anything Oberyn has done by a mile. Let's also not forget that GRRM flat out said on several occasions that Jaime is the best fighter in Westeros by the start of the series.
Jaime is basically the best warrior on the planet by the time of ASOIAF. If you try to tear down Jaime by saying he's all hype, Oberyn is even moreso. His only feats are unintentionlly crippling Willas, dueling Edgar Yronwood in a duel to first blood (Edgar died of the Viper's poison but I don't recall an actual outcome given for the duel), and of course the one great feat of beating the Mountain. Jaime's crossed swords with the Smiling Knight at 16, cut his way through Robb Stark's bodyguard, and beaten plenty of knights and lords in tourneys, as well as giving Brienne trouble while starved, shackled, and out of practice.
Jaime wins 8/10 and becomes "The Princeslayer."
Jaime couldn't even beat a past his prime Ned Stark. Ned was evenly matching Jaime every time. He has no actual feats that put him past even Sandor Clegane, let alone Oberyn Martell who already beat a stronger opponent . the spear is a far better weapon that a sword in medium quarters because it basically negated mountains reach and armor. And we all know how much faster and more agile Oberyn is than jaime
This is Jaime wank not Oberyn wank. Mountains sword didnt touch Oberyn even once.
Well Oberyn is less well-armored, but has an advantage in range with his spear. Meanwhile Jamie is well armored but is at an offensive disadvantage with a one handed sword. Neither of them have helmets so one could just stab the other in the face. The skill gap shouldn't be that different considering feats. Jamie should have more experience in combat in addition to his high renown in general. Assuming a fight like this would be written as well as GRRM would, who I believe considers a lot of practicality in the battles he writes, I'll take Jamie overall. Jamie is pressing more advantages than disadvantages.
Edit: You know what I change my mind. Oberyn should win, he could spear Jamie in the face with the OP's conditions.
Depends on the versions, really. Show could go either way but Oberyn has the advantage of winning if his spear opens Jaime’s skin thanks to the poison. Book versions and the poison edge still stands but two-handed Prime Jaime is the best swordsman alive so he should win despite the range disadvantage.
I'm only in the third book but i really don't see a difference between Jaime skills in the book and tv, the feats are the same, even status and reputation seems the same, if this is about his fight against Ned you could say Ned was "scaled" to his level and not that Jamie was nerfed.
That said, Oberyn stomped The Moutain and he was not even fighting to kill fast, i'm aware Jaime could beat Gregor, but could be a stomp? easily?mid difficulty? So, considering this i think Oberyn has a good chance here.
In history, for general use the sword was pretty much replaced in all but narrow close quarters by the spear - and then the Halberd. This is because a spear is 1) easy to use 2) has a major range advantage and 3) if you do train to use it, like Oberyn does, you can use the damn thing as bo staff with a point end.
So if you take an excellent swordsman in full plate armor and make them vs someone who is so good with a spear that it's more like watching someone dance than fight...that swordsman is going to have an extremely hard time - they can't really get close without a spear thrust missing and getting on the inside of the blade and while getting close would normally work when the spear user starts flourishing and using the spear like a staff; that advantage of getting up close just vanishes.
Jamie gets knocked on his back and impaled 8/10 times because Oberyn has a weapon and skill disadvantage along with having never fought someone as fast, who uses kinetic energy so well before.
Id back Oberyn slightly. Full Plate armor really does a lot here for Jamie, helping to remove the advantages held by carrying a spear. Jamie could end Oberyn with a blow to the neck up, or serious wound him with a well placed Jab. Meanwhile, Oberyns only real option is a headshot.
However, Oberyns spear grants him a huge range advantage, as well as a massive striking and blocking power advantage. I find it unlikely that Jamie finds a way to close the gap and effectively land a killing blow to Oberyn, before Oberyns heavy blows, combined with steel plate, wear out Jamies arms and legs. Seriously, blocking a Spear with a Sword takes a lot of energy, and after a few solid hits, Jamie is going to feel the burn—if he can even block that many hits effectively to begin with.
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