NWH Spider-Men vs. MCU Iron Man

Spider-Men

Iron Man

• Nanotech armour, Iron Spider suit, post NWH
• Stark can't control the Iron Spider suit
• Random encounter
• Basic knowledge
• Win by any means
• Perfect teamwork
• In character but determined to win
• Win by any means
• Takes place in IW NYC
• Start 50 ft apart

Round 1: H2H fight only. No webs, princers or CQC weapons for Stark.

Round 2: Anything goes

Any Spider-Man solos

After analyzing the MCU Spider-Man is not fodder to MCU Iron Man thread created by @blackspidey2099, I have to say any of the Spider-Men can solo.

As I've said the problem the Spidermen have is Tony's insane blunt force and energy durability.

Ironman has like kiloton tier durability.

This is an advantage of outlasting. Cull was getting the upperhand on Tony but would most likely lose anyway because how much of a tank Ironman is. Once Cull gets an upperhand on Peter he wouldn't be lasting to long.

All 3 of them can probably solo him with durability equalized but Tony still has massive striking advantage with those fancy hammer fist things.

The Ironman armor looks like it's easier ripped then it takes to punch him out.

I can actually see a case being made for spider-men

MCU Spider-Man solos…even without the Ironspider.

Adding the Ironspider, Tobey and Andrew makes this a mismatch.

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Without Ironspider armor Spiderman has tanked tons of Stark tech…All of this Stark tech is from post endgame movies.

• Spider-Man tanks Stark Bullets
• Spiderman tanks Stark Sonics.
• Spiderman tanks Stark Missiles.
• Spiderman tanks Stark Unibeam.

…on top of things like Goblin bombs to the face.

Tobey and Holland have both matched Doc Ocks arms.. and those arms already ripped up Stark Nanotech.

• Doc Ock rips up Stark Nanotech.

Plus Holland already showing a stat superiority when he saved Ironman from Cull in IW and EG.

• Spider-Man saves Ironman from Cull…twice.

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Spiders are more skilled too.. not only did Holland best Strange in a fight with a fair amount of context.. but Holland also fought a giant army of Stark drones.

That’s a lot of Stark drones.

The drones were controlled by Stark AI (the same kinda AI that bested Cap).. the Stark AI with the Stark targeting systems has already been shown to be inferior to Spidey.

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The Spiders also have a insane speed advantage.

• Toms 20+ lighting speed feats.
• Andrews 20+ lightning speed feats.

Tony has nothing close to even FFH speed feats, let alone NWH… and already proving he can beat Stark AIs targeting system from 1000s of drones proves that advantage.

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I don’t see Ironman taking one Spider let alone 3.

IW Ironman he stomps the spiders come on now. None of them are bullet proof and doesn’t have the attack potency to harm him in the slightest, I can not stress this enough bloodlusted holland punches were laughed off by Norman Tony has sent cull flying and made Thanos bleed 2 different tiers.

Even hand 2 hand none of the spideys are skilled tony out skilled cap once he analyzed his fight pattern. All the Spider-Man have been pressured in H2H by far inferiors characters (Norman and new Goblin) then add the all used webs in the close quarters fights.

Tony low diff having 3 of the same essentially characters is not going to change a thing.

@death4bunnies: lets cav this spidey vs mark 85

Yeah, any Spiderman alone is way too much for Tony. Together it’s a mismatch.

IM stomps. MCU Peter couldn’t even break Goblin’s skin with his punches, compared to Stark who made Thanos bleed

@kryptonianking88:

I have a full plate right now fixing the broken links from my RTs because i the picture size restriction.. I might take you up on that after the HD digital release of NWH tho.

@allhellkingdox:

Holland has multiple bullet resistant feats in his suits, objectively false.

No evidence the suit's AI (EDITH was Stark's latest AI and she couldn't hit Peter with an army of drones) could even keep up with Spider-Mans, also Peter and Cap fight in very different manners, Cap is purely hand to hand and the Spider-Men flip around their opponents whilst using ranged attacks like webbing - nonsense equivelancy.

Norman wasn't laughing off blows from Bloodlusted Holland, Tobey had to step in because Norman became exhausted and couldn't defend himself from getting impaled -- He could tank blows in the apartment but Peter wasn't bloodlusted, also feat for Norman. Comparatively Thanos couldn't even no sell pistol whips from Star Lord. Also Russos have comfirmed in their commentary the drop of blood was everyone's combined effort in the film, not Stark's.

A single arm from Doc Ock can physically tear off Nanotech and crumple it, no reason any Peter can't replicate.

I’ve seen Spider-Man argued to be above DCEU Superman and Wonder Woman, and I know they’re better then Tony. One spidy solos

IW Iron Man did a lot better than Iron Spider against Thanos. The intent was there, can't be more obvious.

@rajjaralt: those bots don’t compare to warmachine carpet bombing in infinity war let alone tony let’s be real. Those bullets from the drones failed to pierce a random door in a museum 😑 no way are they the caliber of Nanotech Ironman. Wrong Tony uses Friday for his IW suite which has way better accuracy. Holland was pierced by a random Assault rifle when he was holding aunt may.

Peter fighting different does not prove his fighting style can’t be analyzed by by A.I such as friday terrible take, It’s says hand 2 hand means no webs involved spidermen are getting folded like tissue paper at a truck stop.

Norman was indeed laughing off his attacks in the apartment fight go re watch the scene. Holland needed the glider because he couldn’t do any real damage himself your only prove my point you clown. Holland won the fight but he did 0 damage to Norman which proves his striking is garbage. Feat for Norman? Comical when Norman can tank a tank shell, survive a small meteor impact, shrug off automatic gunfire like it’s not even there. Clash with Thanos, Block power stone blast, Then we can put them in the same weight class of durability until then Ironman No sells Holland attacks.

Thanos was comatose when he got pistol wipped and it didn’t make him bleed so what’s your point? Combined efforts? That makes no sense no one had hit him in his face up until that point besides star lord with that gun thing.

Those same arms casually restrained Peter so no he can’t replicate that also add Stark armor is far superior to Spidey’s who doesn’t have a fraction of the feats Tony got in durability

NB4 “glider buster ock arms nope it cut them and was took out of commission by 1 pumpkin bomb”

Stark stomps the little spiders can play mouse all the want they’re eventually run outta spots to swing on and they’ll be air out by bullets and homing missiles.

Thanos could have skullcrushed IW Iron Man at any point given how he did crush his helmet with 0 effort

Thanos also got teambusted by Proxima, defeated by Proxima and Cull, etc

@allhellkingdox:

The drones are superior, Beck was gonna destroy London in an effort to prove he was a good superhero and Peter said he could level half of Europe with EDITH, Rhodes doesn’t compare. Also Rhodes specifically carries carpet bombs and heavy artillery on his back, Stark doesn’t. They don’t scale. If you do wanna scale to Rhodes — Peter could move far larger amounts of rubble than what it took to completely crush Rhodes suit.

Round two isn’t hand to hand and I was referring to that, if you can prove the AI could keep up with them I’ll concede - don’t see any evidence of that as of now. And Stark was wearing EDITH glasses during Infinity War, I don’t recall him outright calling his suit Friday.

He was never pierced by assault rifle, there was no exit wound and his suit is undamaged. you’re ignoring he’s wearing Iron Spider here as well which has outright bulletproof feats and the better piercing durability from the two. Ock’s Nanotech spike bent on the armor meanwhile Cull’s arm blade was about to kill Stark twice.

As I said he tanked blows in the apartment but that wasn’t bloodlusted. Bloodlusted Spider-Man happened at the end of the movie and he won their fight. Peter picked up the glider because he wanted revenge for May, he picked up the same weapon that was responsible for killing her. Norman was on the ground defenceless, he couldn’t even stand up. Implying he did no damage is nonsense.

Peter’s gun whips visibly hurt him, Nebula nearly killed him per his own words and moved him with her arm blades, Quill’s small bomb heavily staggered him. Everyone across the two movies could affect Thanos - hurting him is not a feat.

Russos outright state that drop of blood is everything they throw at him in the movie, you can try and dodge around it or you can accept the intent of the people who made the film.

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The arms coiled around him and restrained him, only the claws were needed to tear off the armor and Peter punched the tentacles away and moved the claws grasping his hands in the same fight. Cull also internally damaged the suit per the Novel (was visibly damaging him even if you wanna ignore that) and Peters overpowered him consistently.

Stark never took a tank shell, what you’re referring to was anti aircraft, not as powerful. Peter tanked getting pulverized through a highway, spinebusted through six floors of concrete and took goblin bombs to his face. This is comparable, no?

Iron Man.

@death4bunnies said:

MCU Spider-Man solos…even without the Ironspider.

Adding the Ironspider, Tobey and Andrew makes this a mismatch.

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Without Ironspider armor Spiderman has tanked tons of Stark tech…All of this Stark tech is from post endgame movies.

• Spider-Man tanks Stark Bullets
• Spiderman tanks Stark Sonics.
• Spiderman tanks Stark Missiles.
• Spiderman tanks Stark Unibeam.

…on top of things like Goblin bombs to the face.

Tobey and Holland have both matched Doc Ocks arms.. and those arms already ripped up Stark Nanotech.

• Doc Ock rips up Stark Nanotech.

Plus Holland already showing a stat superiority when he saved Ironman from Cull in IW and EG.

• Spider-Man saves Ironman from Cull…twice.

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Spiders are more skilled too.. not only did Holland best Strange in a fight with a fair amount of context.. but Holland also fought a giant army of Stark drones.

That’s a lot of Stark drones.

The drones were controlled by Stark AI (the same kinda AI that bested Cap).. the Stark AI with the Stark targeting systems has already been shown to be inferior to Spidey.

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The Spiders also have a insane speed advantage.

• Toms 20+ lighting speed feats.
• Andrews 20+ lightning speed feats.

Tony has nothing close to even FFH speed feats, let alone NWH… and already proving he can beat Stark AIs targeting system from 1000s of drones proves that advantage.

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I don’t see Ironman taking one Spider let alone 3.

Damn, this is indisputable.

Round 1: Spider-Men

Round 2: Iron Man

@allstarsuperman: Iron Man has been argued to be well higher than Superman as well.

Spider-Man wins this,

either as a team or solo

trio is too much

So...how does the team get past Tony's defense?

Spider-Man's striking power isn't close to Hulk or Thanos level and he's not tearing off the armor with brute strength. Doc Ock tearing off some of the iron spider doesn't mean the spiders can do the same considering how they have a very hard time against Ock's grip strength. Sure, they can parry the arms, but once they get grabbed, they have trouble whether it's from an arm wrapping around them or the claws holding them. Sure, Tobey could still move his arms when they were being held in place but Ock only let go bc he had furniture flung at him from two directions.

Tony wins due to having too much durability and eventually wearing down the team. It's silly to assume the iron spider is as tough as the IM suit when it's clearly designed to allow the wearer more range of motion with thinner layers of armor. The spiders will make Tony work for the victory, but Tony gave Thanos more trouble than the team would due to his attack power. Thanos briefly ko's Tom for a little bit with a clothesline while Tony took repeated punches without getting ko'd. Out of all the Avengers, Tony was the only one Thanos was willing to kill. Tom's entire body got overpowered by Thanos grabbing the gauntlet with his fingertips. So no one should be comparing a Spider-Man's strength to Thanos's. I don't think the team combined could overpower a single arm considering how Thor pushing with both hammers and rage was only slowly overpowering an arm. Same Thor with the star forge feat and feat of stopping Hulk's arm with one arm and then pushing it back with one arm directly and another assisting. Wasn't Professor Hulk supposed to stomp Cull before the idea was scrapped? So stopping Cull really doesn't automatically put you at Hulk or Thanos level. If Cull was going to do anything to Iron Man, it was going to be with an alien blade (which can be like Yondu's arrow or Gamora's sword where it just punches through most materials). Otherwise, Tony wasn't in serious danger against Cull. The spiders don't have a special blade to damage the suit here and webbing won't hold a suit that can change shape with a thought and destroy it with weapons coming out of anwhere Tony chooses. They haven't torn any material as strong as the nanotech IM suit with their hands and don't scale to Ock's grip strength (which are implied to be able to crush Tobey's head if he didn't act fast). Speed is the only reason this is difficult for Tony at all.

@death4bunnies: I agree the Spider-trio would win here but none solo imo. Iron Man has greater AP and overall durability. Another factor that is greatly in Tony's favor is flight. The Spiders have had trouble with foes who actively used flight in combat

• Vulture
• Electro has only been beaten through unconventional methods, even while tangible
• Stark drones are fodder
• Goblins don't count, they don't use flight the way Electro, Vulture, and Iron Man do in fights

Also, Tony's best tech would be in his suits, not the fodder drones. I think Iron Man is super overrated in fights but he should be able to consistently beat the Spiders in one on one fights

@rajjaralt: the drones are not superior I already explained they couldn’t shoot through a museum door meanwhile tony was casually blowing holes in Thanos spaceships there is a clear difference in power. Beck hasn’t shown he could destroy a city and even if he could it’s with damage overtime not a single attack so irrelevant. Tony doesn’t need to Cary artillery on his back his weapons literally form out of nanobots it’s comical to think warmachine would have weaponry that ironman’s greatest armor would have, your rubble nonsense is funny Bleeding edge tony is far stronger than warmachine and Spider-Man never lift up rubble anyways.

Keep up with them lol they’re not that fast MJ, Ned, Strange could keep up with them with their human eyes tony does the same. Tony took those glasses off the moment he first used his bleeding edge armor in New York. EDITH is literally just a defense system by stark it’s not his main go to of weaponry which his IW armor is so your wrong as usual. Tony directly refers to the A.I he uses as Friday I’m starting to think y’all don’t even watch the movies come on now https://youtu.be/02oyDG5gY28

We could not see an exit wound and even if it did not exit it still pierced Peter grabbing his shoulder looking in pain makes that very clear and he has got his nanotechnology back from Otto at that point, Tony bullets > regular assault rifles so shit comparison. Ok What’s otto best piercing feats? Then add bullets can kill the others spideys, Tony also has lasers so he could chop Holland up with those aswell.

Cull blade about to kill tony means what exactly for Spider-Man? He can’t replicate that piercing force nor do have the durability to withstand that also so how is using that as a negative in your argument helping you lol.

None of that hurt him staggering does not equals hurt Thanos showed no sign of physical damage after those hits he made little grunts showing he felt some pain but nothing lasting so irrelevant ironman actually made him bleed and Thanos is 100s more durable then Spider-Man who was put on his death bed from falling through 6 floors.

Russos statements are hogwash especially when on screen evidence shows something blatantly different he got bloodied right after tony punched him so we are crediting him with the damage that simple.

Cull never did any damage to the suite or tony who we see has no scratch on him or suite throughout the rest of the film, miss me with all that novelization crap I’m going directly off what I see on screen all those sources and statements else where is to contradictory. Spider-Man overpowering Cull proves what Cull can’t fly he doesn’t have tons of weapons like missiles, bullets, lasers, blades, or has the striking feats either so moot point. I would like to also add everything Spider-Man overpowered cull was was using 1 hand. (He ran to hammer tony Spider-Man stopped him with his hole body, and when he went to stab tony in endgame Spider-Man used both hands on one of his arms to pull him down not like it matters though because tony got a large pillar feat from endgame which > Spider-Man.

Being out through a highway and slammed through 6 floors is not in the same level as tony gets smacked through a building by Cull, withstanding a power stone punch from Thanos, surviving a small meteor come on now spidermen can’t put a dent on this man. Tony claps

Yeah, I’m still not convinced Tony loses this. His nanotech shield withstood a blast from the power stone and he tanked getting meteor-sized debris thrown on him.

Tom got KO’d from being slammed through six floors of concrete. Tony should have no problem replicating that damage output 3 times.

🐐Yes I have to agree that is a goat thread.🐐

🕸🕷 Spider-Man wins. ⚡️⚡️He’s too fast for Ironman no denying that. ⚡️⚡️ And the people denying the Cull scaling must not of watched Infinity War or Endgame. 🤣🤣 I suspect they overwanked Ironman and have a bias. Doc Ock showed Nanotech isnt all that.🙌

I think tanking Stark missiles, bullets, Sonics and unibeams shows that Spider-Man can withstand starks AP.

And I think things like busting into the goblin glider(that took explosions and busted Ocks arms) and the fact that Ock (who both Tom and Tobey have overpowered) ripped up Stark Nano tech shows they can deal damage.

On top of showing a stat superiority by saving IM from Cull in IW and EG.

This fight happens in NYC not a open field so I think Tony’s flight would be exactly like the goblins.. between buildings. I don’t think it will be too much of a problem.

I don’t think Stark drones are as fodder as your saying.. like they were made to take Tony’s place after he died.. EDITH “Even in death I am the hero”.. i don’t know why he’d make especially weak missiles or bullets..he made the drones 5 years after he made his IW suit…. plus that’s explicitly Stark AI with Stark targeting systems.. I don’t see why you’d think Starks AI in the suit would have any more luck targeting Spidey than 1000+ Stark tech guided drones did.

I think Spidey has a massive precog and speed advantage(proven by 40+ lightning feats, and Spidey outright beating Stark AI targeting)…and he’s shown the ability to tank Stark tech(even the Unibeam).. he’s shown a stat advantage with Cull in 2 movies.. the only thing left for IM is a claim he can tank anything the Spiders throw at him, Ock ripping up nano tech and the raw stat advantage disproves that.

I know not everyone will agree with it, but that’s my basic reasonin…why I feel Spidey would win a 1v1.. let alone a 3v1 where you give Holland a Nanotech suit like the OP did…that feels like a mismatch in the spiders favor.

@allhellkingdox:

For a guy telling me I don't watch the movies you misconstruct a lot of things. Peter didn't have all his nanotech, this is all he got back:

simply what he was missing around his chest area, doesn't even cover his entire chest. Stark's Arc Reactor is canonically his most powerful attack and Peter already tanked that through Electro along with several of his attacks without full nanotech so if Stark can hit him with ranged attacks he'll be fine.

Russos are the guys who made the movie, there's no reasoning behind dismissing their words in their director's commentary aside from an attempt to cope and wank Stark above what he was intended to be at.

Peter wasn't on his death bed, he took the piledrive, got choked out for several seconds and than took a pumpkin grenade to the face to save his aunt, in the same night went on to fight Goblin and the Sinister three again.

EDITH is his defence network and it makes zero sense for the AI of his product designed to engage in combat to be any less than what is basically his secretary. The fastest thing the AI has been able to adapt to is Cap who's not as fast as Peter and doesn't use his agility in combat like Peter does, no argument you can make will make it less of a false equivelancy.

Rhodes has always carried heavier artilery than Stark, this is visible in every movie they stand together - Rhodes is the one who has the big destructive feats, not Stark - this is traced as far back as Iron Man 2.

Peter grabbed his shoulder in pain, if it didn't have an exit wound than that means they didn't penetrate. Mysterio railgun bullets have failed to pierce his inferior suits. Even Thanos tried shieding himself from War Machine's bullets with the space stone.

Cull did do damage to Stark, you see various points in that forest fight he just lays down and takes time to get back up. We saw Cull crush his Hulkbuster armor which is obviously his most physically imposing suit as well.

You can mention all that stuff but you can't actually show Stark hitting anyone of note with all that gear, the people who get his with that stuff are massive targets who don't have Peter's mobility. Meanwhile Peter consistently dodges electric currents and has already shown the ability to dodge the same artilery Stark has.

I would like to also add everything Spider-Man overpowered cull was was using 1 hand. (He ran to hammer tony Spider-Man stopped him with his hole body, and when he went to stab tony in endgame Spider-Man used both hands on one of his arms to pull him down not like it matters though because tony got a large pillar feat from endgame which > Spider-Man.

Gonna need you to rephrase this? Large pillar > Spider-Man? I suggest reading this blog done by BlackSpidey, it goes over all the scaling chains for Peter > Stark.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/mcu-spider-man-is-not-fodder-to-mcu-iron-man-2254731/

Hand To Hand, Stark is not a boxer - he's slower, less nimble and physically weaker. He would lose to any copy of Spider-Man, add all three and it would basically be that scene from the Boys where the female superheros are kicking the shit outta Stormfront.

Everything Else: Peter becomes to evasive with webbing, Stark can't hit him and has never nailed anyone of note - Stark also eventually tries to physically fight any opponent despite all his gear

Yeah no this is getting ridiculous, all of them combined can't put a dent in Tony's armor. MCU Peter got fodderized by Thanos while Tony held his own and even made him bleed. They may have a combat speed advantage but it's not nearly enough to give them the win.

@darkpsychiclord_prime:

Tony making Thanos bleed was confirmed to be combined effort(and SM was one of the few other heroes to land shots on Thanos’s face, and Holland took sone hits from Thanos also)..on top of saving Tony from cull in 2 movies... plus Ock (who the spiders have overpowered) has ripped up Stark nano tech.

I think with the speed advantage on top of already tanking tons of Stark tech…

• Spider-Man tanks Stark Bullets
• Spiderman tanks Stark Sonics.
• Spiderman tanks Stark Missiles.
• Spiderman tanks Stark Unibeam.

Holland solos, IMO, can you at least understand why people think this? I mean Spidey saving IM from Cull is one of the most clear showing to me, but there bud a lot of stuff that leans this way.

The Spider-wank at The Vine is ridiculous. Now, even MCU’s Golden Boy isn’t safe.

Spider trio stomps.

Spider trio vs stormbreaker Thor is probably next

@death4bunnies: the Stark drones were never meant to be Tony's equal. Mark 50's AP is vastly greater than the drone's and each Spider-Man. Iron Spider and Mark 50 both being Stark nanotech doesn't mean they're the same durability. None of the Spiders have fared too well against flying opponents.

MJ was able to make a Stark drone go haywire with a single hit. The drones are as fodder as they come.

In conclusion, the trio definitely wins ~8/10 fights against Tony. But in a one v one, Tony should win ~7/10

All three win

@dundermifflin:

The drones are much newer than the mark 50.. made 5 years after IW.. they have Stark AI with Stark targeting.. why would Tony make drones to be the “hero after his death” with weaker missiles, or a AI and targeting ststem worse than his suit from 5 years ago? I think the FFH drones definitely prove Tony’s AI targeting can’t keep up even with a 1000+ drones to target Spidey.

The drone MJ hit was already riddled with bullets and malfunctioning a bit, but sure they aren’t as durable as IM, I still see no reason they would have worse AI with Edith, or why Stark would make weak missiles and bullets and stuff…Spidey already tanking Stark Missiles, and bullets, and a Unibeam is just icing on the cake, he’s much faster and won’t be easily tagged by stark targeting, but if he is I think he’d be able to recover.

I don’t see why Tony would win a 1v1 against Holland who had to save IM from Cull twice…but you seem to agree that Holland can pull some wins outta ten and that the spiders win a majority, and I can accept that.

@death4bunnies: glad we reached some sort of consensus

@death4bunnies: the drones are effective due to sheer numbers, but they weren't packing the weaponry Iron Man was. Nothing like the red laser or plasma, just missiles, bullets, and sonics. Spider-Man would get cut in half by the red laser. It's much hotter than a unibeam (which Iron Monger tanked) with less concussive force. The drones didn't show any weaponry that would even crack IM's nanosuit while repulsors alone are enough to take down drones.

Iron Man would solo his own drones.

Iron Man and its not even close.

Tony stomp’s horribly

They had the red laser but didn’t use it offensively so I didn’t mention it, so ye just Stark bullets, missiles, and Sonics from 1000s of Stark drones..guided by Stark AI.. I don’t understand why Missiles and repulsers and stuff from 1 Ironman guided by Stark AI is any more likely to hit him then 1000+.

Ironmonger didn’t tank a new element (triangle) reactor Unibeam, but Spidey did tho.

I don’t see IM being able to effectively target SM with his ranged weapons, and I think with things like Ock ripping up Stark Nano tech and SM matching those arms that the much faster SM can deal damage.

Webbing is still a option too, Ironman said webbing had more tensile strength than any material he’s seen.. “off the charts” is how he phrased it.

Iron Man still beats any Spider-Man 1v1, but the trio should take it here.