Noob brigade run an insane gauntlet (Star Wars)

The most undersold and downplayed members of the Star Wars universe have had enough of the ridicule and are ready to team up to prove to the galaxy that they are more than just fodder...

The brigade consists of Nahdar Vebb,Kanan Jarrus, Rosh Penin , Coleman Trebor, Jedi trainer and Sha'a Gi .

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Character Details - Nahdar Vebb was apprentice to Kit Fisto and seemingly stalemated Grievous for a time. Rosh Penin can do lightning he has some basic training. Jedi Trainer trained other Jedi at the Academy in lightsaber combat. Coleman Trebor has the title of Jedi Master.

Rules - Please answer the rounds separately they are separate gauntlets.

Pictures are out of order follow the order in which they are written. They fight each character individually. They rest in-between every opponent and any fallen member is revived.

Round 1. Two Luke level training bots. / Proxy; Darth Maul protocol. / 4 Magnaguards. / Savage Opress (Boss).

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Round 2. Jocasta Nu. / Adi Gallia. / Finn Galfridian. / Asajj Ventress (Boss).

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Round 3. 4 Temple guards / Barris Offee. / Ashoka Tano. / Obi-Wan TPM and Qui-Gon (Boss).

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Grand Finale - Plo Koon (They recruit one more member- Zayne Carrick.)

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Lol They don't make it past round one.

MagnaGuards give distinguished Masters trouble. The only Master here is Trebor and he's average at best. Fighting four at once means at least a couple of those padawan get one shot right off the bat. This is after they fight Darth Maul, and right before they go on to fight Savage Opress with no rest. They're toast.

To be fair to Kanan, he became an absolute badass when he went blind. Unfortunately, since the picture is him from seasons 1 and 2, he's not helping much. Stop hard at 2 with the only factors being Kanan (who doesn't last long), Rosh, Nahdar and maybe Coleman. If they even make it to Ventress (doubtful), she tools them like she did when she fought Mace's group of knights and masters.

With blind Kanan, they stop at 2 or 3.

@echostarlord117 Yeah good points. I should've been clearer in stating that they get to rest between each round (opponent). Just an FYI the Maul is the droid Proxy's training program not the real thing. I agree that Magnaguards are actually very formidable I could've placed them differently but I still think they could protect each other with some team work to avoid anyone getting stomped (maybe I should've noted they have perfect teamwork or something).

If you want you could comment on the other rounds that'd be cool.

@breakofdawn Damn lol I will have to see that episode where she beats 'mace windu and his knights and masters'?! that sounds crazy. If so then yeah they lose. I'm glad you mentioned that thing about blind Kanan also if you say they stop at 3 would you mind stating who exactly gives them trouble ? Or are you suggesting they clear that but stop and Plo.

They may take some casualties when fighting the MagnaGuards in the first round, but should pull it off. One of them should also land a lucky strike against Savage, especially given Kanan’s capacity to provide distracting TK, so I’m willing to accept that they can clear the first round.

Jocasta Nu is hard to place, but I doubt she’ll succeed where Savage failed. Adi Gallia should go down too. I don’t know too much about Finn Galfridian but, assuming they get to Asajj, I think she stands a good chance of stopping them. They have perhaps a 40-45% chance of winning.

In the third round they get to the boss battle without too much trouble. I think they fail here. TPM Obi-Wan is vastly superior to most of the team, and Qui-Gon won’t be worn down as he was against Maul if he fights efficiently.

I don’t think Zayne Carrick contributes much in the fight against Plo Koon; I’d rate their chances as similar to the odds when fighting Ventress. Maybe they’ll pull it off, but Plo is well-rounded and can probably work his way through the team without compromising himself as I believe Savage would.

@echostarlord117 Also I might add do you maintain they can't beat the Magnaguards even with the force?? I think even the most inept duelist Jedi could use the force as a lifeline to pull of some trick like destroy them or throw a saber or SOMETHING. And not only one but six Jedi using the force together seems as though it would from my view have a more significant affect.

@azureamaterasu: Will attach some scans in a second. Might have misinterpreted what I said; she beat several knights and masters but got absolutely lolstomped by Mace.

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Right to left. She was toying with everyone except Mace, and might have been holding back against them in order to sow discord amongst them so they'd turn on him.

Edit: Just realised this probably isn't Legends. They still stop here but in a very close fight that they can take a minority in.

I'm glad you mentioned that thing about blind Kanan

I've a new appreciation for Kanan after rewatching Rebels. He's not especially powerful in seasons one and two but by season three I'd say he's definitely above GI level. IIRC, Maul considered him enough of a threat to place a transponder that would alert the Imperials to their presence if he was killed. If I'm right, that's pretty insane when we also consider he held back both Hera and a massive explosion at the same time before pushing a ship away when he entered Oneness.

also if you say they stop at 3 would you mind stating who exactly gives them trouble ?

Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan could beat them, but I'm torn after looking back. I think they could stop at Legends Plo but they'll clear if it's canon Plo.

Or are you suggesting they clear that but stop and Plo.

If Legends, they stop hard even if it's season 3 Kanan. If canon, they can clear, especially if it's season 3 Kanan. Hope this all makes sense, season 3 Kanan is hard to place whereas seasons 1 and 2 Kanan is below and just above GI level, respectively.

@breakofdawn Damnnnnnn, that is good stuff. Also if that is K'Kruhk she literally force pushes him okay that is crazy... one qualm I have is that these jedi may have been holding back as that one jedi says I will try to spare you but I won't deny that she performs incredibly well...

@azureamaterasu: Edited a few parts of my previous post. Whether K'Kruhk was holding back or not, he was instantly blitzed by Asajj, which is pretty insane for a non-Sith to pull off.

@breakofdawn Certainly is I agree. My faith is shaken in the team but one thing I noticed is in contrast to that team of Jedi this noob brigade have more numbers and might actually be better than that team lol. The The K'Kruhk thing is quite staggering to me though I mean I thought that guy was some kind of master.

This is true, and it's unlikely that PROXY's imitations are perfect. That being said, my reasoning is that being even half as good as Maul is more than enough to significantly trouble the team. After all, PROXY's Darth Maul module gave Galen a pretty good fight and Galen would wreck this team.

I never said that. I said that fighting four of them would surely result in heavy casualties for the team.

Understand that I'm taking into account one-shots here. I wouldn't be surprised if six Force users could overwhelm four MagnaGuards in time, but it really wouldn't be a constant six Force users. Nahdar and Sha'a are no doubt dying early that fight. So really, you're talking about three to four fodder taking on four droids that held the same fearsome reputation as the General himself. That's going to be rough.

I honestly don't believe they can take on four MagnaGuards, but we have proof that renowned Jedi can solo about half a dozen of them or so at once. I'll give the team the benefit of the doubt, however I refuse to believe that they'd pass through that fight unscathed.

Well, you're wrong there. Single MagnaGuard units have engaged in prolonged duels with the likes of Shaak Ti and Obi-Wan. There are quotes that explicitly state that they're superior to most Jedi. That being said, with the help of Coleman the team could survive, especially now that I know they'll be fully rested beforehand.

Even with the mid-round resting, though, I don't think the team is passing round one. I'm assuming they don't regenerate casualties. If that's the case, each opponent would whittle the team down each round (save for maybe Luke's training bots), until it'd likely be a padawan or two and Coleman facing up against someone who choked out Dooku and Ventress at the same time.

Savage and magnaguards destroy them completely.

@echostarlord117 Great feedback magnaguards are formidable opponents and it seems likely that the more fodder guys die. All great points.. I was wondering though do you think they could take Savage, also after that how would they fare in round 2 and 3 I actually thought they could beat Jocasta Barris Ahsoka and even Adi Gallia possibly getting to Obi-Wan and Qui Gon however that guy was probably right - Asajj wrecks them all. At the end of the day they would probably lose at the end even with Zayne Carrick helping them against Plo Koon.

Not at all, at least not after the gauntlet they'd be put through up to that point. I personally rate Savage as slightly under Asajj. If he gets sufficiently angry during their bout, then he could surely take on the whole team at once victoriously.

Well, they'd lose. Lol Both are obvious wipes. Jacosta would lose, she's old and generally not too impressive in combat AFAIK. Adi Gallia, though, would at least thin out the team. I haven't heard anything impressive about Finn so he probably wouldn't pose too much of a threat, and Asajj obviously cleans house.

Round three runs similarly. I don't think a non-dark side Barriss Offee could beat the team, but the Temple Guards probably would. If they manage to get past both of them, though, Ahsoka would give them a massive run for their money, if not beat them outright. The Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon dream team combo would subsequently decimate.

@echostarlord117 Cool thanks for this feedback wow it's great ... what you say rings true indeed. Ahsoka is no joke lol. Interesting what you said about the Temple guards you haven't one me over on that one but I definitely definitely see where you're coming from they are all trained guards with faith bestowed in them from the highest authority. If it's not any fuss would you mind answering the obvious about them receiving Zayne Carrick to challenge Plo Koon? - just to be clear.

@azureamaterasu: Zayne doesn't impress me. I know for a fact he wouldn't pose a threat to Koon.

That round's basically Koon vs. Trebor and a group of people he can easily one-shot. He could get blindsided if he gets really careless, but I'm assuming you want everyone to be fighting at their best. Yeah, Koon would systematically one-shot all the fodder and Trebor being the steaming pile of garbage he is would lose shortly thereafter.

@breakofdawn: I just realised what you added to your edited comment. I didn't really have legends or canon in mind but I agree with everything you said about it making the difference they need. I agree with the Kanan thing he repulses a huge explosion by attaining force oneness for a brief moment. Perhaps the most interesting thing was you accepted they might best Obi and Jinn which I think is quite honestly within reason. And yeah they could possibly pressure canon Plo and get lucky - maybe scoring a cheap shot or something. I don't know his legends feats but I'm guessing you brought that up cause they're op, iirc he bested Yoda in a sparring match though, which would most likely allow him to fodderize the team. Great feedback thanks.

@echostarlord117: I agree there is a blindside possibility. And yeah he would most likely win, I lold at 'steaming pile of garbage'. Many thanks for the feedback.

They hard stop at 1.

Also WTH is Plo doing at the top? He admitted inferiority to TPM Kenobi and has already lost to Ventress and Savage

When?

When?

You really think that fight indicates an inferiority to Savage?

@echostarlord117:

TPM Game

Khorm fight

Yes typically losing to someone despite being backed up up by clones means you’re inferior.

@azureamaterasu: I love the concept of this thread lol. So if I understand right each round is it's own gauntlet and the team is healed between fights, correct?

If that is the case, team stops at Proxy Maul round 1 (I think even proxy Maul is too skilled for this team) and get bodied by the Magnagaurds if they somehow get past him. At full strength, I imagine the team could take Savage though just because he fights so recklessly. Of course, he could also just ragdoll the whole team if he felt like it.

Round 2 they beat Jocasta Nu and Finn without problem (I don't remember either doing anything impressive), lose a few members against Gallia and then get stomped by Ventress who blitzes everyone bar Trebor and then beats him (at worst) mid-diff.

I honestly don't remember what the temple guards did but I'll say the team gets past them and Offee with casualties. Ahsoka gives them one hell of a fight but I think they pull the win with Coleman and Kanan carrying. Either Kenobi or Qui-gon solo whatever is left of the team.

Round 4 I'll say Plo pulls a majority but barely.

I wasn't aware of this, tbh. That being said,

He admitted inferiority to TPM Kenobi

is a fairly disingenuous thing to say. He never actually said that. He simply said that Kenobi's strong and admits that he's impressed by Kenobi defeating him in a training situation. I mean, if you're actually trying to argue that in a to-the-death fight, TPM Kenobi would defeat Plo then... God speed, good sir.

Yeah, I thought that's what you're talking about. Unless I'm forgetting something, Ventress didn't win anything. Lol In fact, I remember that being a pretty good showing for Plo.

Savage won because he took advantage of an open moment and grabbed Plo's mask while the latter was distracted. Everyone knows this.

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Prior to that moment, it was pretty clear that Savage was on the losing track. It's not difficult to argue that Plo would defeat Savage were it not for him turning around like that.

This thread annoys me and is confusing, having both sets of characters and opposition from two entirely different Canons. >< That said of the team, the Jedi Trainer is far the best, being more versatile with Force powers and a seasoned combatant. Trebor does nicely with scaling at the least, Rosh is....hard to place, but he's shown to be versatile with Force powers too and not bad of a saber combatant.

The others are...eh? I mean honestly, I'm not sure why this is what it is but if those training droids are Luke's level, then everyone is basically gonna get creamed with the Jedi Trainer and Trebor holding out the longest. So R1 they could stop there. If by some chance they do get passed, then they probably stop at the Magnaguards, if these are previous continuity ones.

Trebor is the MVP. I've already proven in other threads that he's not the fodder SW household joke everyone says he is, Trebor is genuinely top-tier. Trainer should be the next best.

That said, team might just barely stop at 2-3. Really Trebor could just occupy the MVP of each round until the rest of his opponents are overwhelmed by numbers.

They can take the final round though due to it being a 6v1.

@lord_tenebrous: How is Trebor top tier? I admit that he isn't a slouch, but I'm not sure about top tier material.

@echostarlord117:

is a fairly disingenuous thing to say. He never actually said that.

Plo states that Qui-Gon was right when he said Obi-Wan could replace him. The context being that Obi-Wan had just bested him. I.E proven he's better.

It's a concession

I mean, if you're actually trying to argue that in a to-the-death fight, TPM Kenobi would defeat Plo then... God speed, good sir.

TPM Kenobi would defeat Plo. He has better saber and comparable power feats.

Yeah, I thought that's what you're talking about. Unless I'm forgetting something, Ventress didn't win anything. Lol In fact, I remember that being a pretty good showing for Plo.

Ventress quickly overwhelmed Plo who only got one trade in and a disarm while she was distracted by Kit setting off an explosion. After which Ventress easily beat Plo down and stymied him with one blade.

Savage won because he took advantage of an open moment and grabbed Plo's mask while the latter was distracted. Everyone knows this.

Yes and I'm sure getting shot at by a clone and having to deflect it (with the precision to hit him in the head I might add) is not distracting at all. Both were distracted by the same things at the same time. Savage won because he recovered and acted faster. Despite by far having a worse situation, having to deflect fire while Plo only had two words.

Prior to that moment, it was pretty clear that Savage was on the losing track. It's not difficult to argue that Plo would defeat Savage were it not for him turning around like that.

Not really. Plo landed one glance while Savage was distracted by clones, Savage then kicked Plo to the ground and blade locked him. Did you notice that Plo is on his knees in the first scan you posted (last I checked Savage wasn't so tall that Plo only came up to hi waist)? He was losing badly already. There is no argument for Plo to beat Opress.

@wolfrazer:

Setting aside High Council member and Jedi Master accolades, the Official Fact File states that Trebor was a nearly unrivaled swordsman, and also that he was nearly unrivaled without his blade in combat. Which could be referring to h2h or Force power. Either way it's quite impressive. This is solidified by the fact that the fact file also says Trebor cut down "countless" droid battalions and Geonosian warriors. A single droid battalion consists of nearly 800 droids + reserve units. The guy at the very, very least was soloing thousands and that is not even counting the Geonosian soldiers.

Criminally underrated.

@lord_tenebrous: Where you getting unrivaled swordsman? I'm looking at his FF now and nothing about that, sure it says he has deadly lightsaber prowess and able to defeat most adversaries even without activating his saber, but that's pretty similar to generic Jedi Master quotes with few opponents being able to stand against them. Sure he also gets scaling from standard Jedi Knights and the like, although his standing on the Council was more to him being able to communicate with various groups and resolving crisis' peacefully.

But yeah, I know he was wrecking through battalions. But I'm just thinking the Jedi Trainer is more rounded and more versatile with Force abilities, at least that's how they are shown in JO/JA.

After fighting a battle and literally having an avalanche collapse onto him, Koon is ambushed by Ventress, and they fight. Ventress lands a kick, and in response Koon literally lifts two fingers and ragdolls her(like how Vader cut down Luke on Bespin after being wounded, like how Kylo cut down Finn after being wounded, etc). Then he lectures her while disarming her when she is looking straight at him(her being distracted is baseless). She then enters into a bladelock with him and manages to physically push him against a railing via superior strength. Despite ranting about how he was doomed and how he had little chance against her in his state, she drops the "I'm gonna kill you" mantra. concedes that he fought well and taunts him about his mission instead, and then Koon uses the Force to knock the detonator out of her hand. And that's the end of it.

Bear in mind all this occurred while Koon was injured, limited in movement as well as hindered, not to mention disadvantaged as he only used one arm which is a handicap to his Djem So.

Plo has been praised by Qui Gon, Maul and Kit the latter two actually considering him the third best Jedi alive as early as TPM and as late as ROTS. Objective sources also confirm that his being in the top 3 is a widely believed standing amongst the Jedi Order.

But sure, Koon is sub-TPM Kenobi.

@wolfrazer:

The source is this:

"Though not as capable a fighter as he was a diplomat, the Jedi Master was still able to defeat most adversaries, even without activating the weapon's lethal energy blade."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact File

It says he could defeat most adversaries EVEN without the use of his blade. I.E., he has superiority over the majority of beings alive both in lightsaber combat and in unarmed combat. This coupled with the droid battalion slaughtering makes for a pretty formidable Jedi.

And then we've got his Jedi Master/High Council member scaling plus his "deadly lightsaber prowess" accolade you mentioned.

As we know, Masters and Councilors aren't really chosen in the PT era because of fighting ability. It's rather wisdom, discipline and maturity that ensures a rise in the Jedi ranks. But we know from many sources that these things typically go hand-in-hand with fighting prowess, hence why as a general rule Jedi Masters are the top tiers, and High Council members are the Order's champions and masters of lightsaber combat, despite this not being the reason for their ascendence to that rank.

@lord_tenebrous: Ah ok I see what you mean, I thought you meant top tier like among the more established characters. But yeah, I know that makes him a formidable opponent, Jedi Masters in general usually are. But I'm in agreement that Trebor and the Jedi Trainer are the MVPs here.

@lord_tenebrous said:

To be fair, Maul wasn't actually aware of who Qui-Gon was, but when reflecting on the Tatooine duel in End Game, he refers to Jinn as a celebrated Jedi lightsaber master. So, who knows? We could also note that in the first Jedi Apprentice, Kenobi, an initiate who hasn't yet become a padawan, and IIRC easily a decade before TPM, recognises the name of Qui-Gon and notes that he's one of the Order's most powerful knights. But that's also ignoring that Jinn's deadliness and style in combat is stated to be only "slightly" less deadly than that of TPM Windu.

There is absolutely no way Koon is the third best Jedi by TPM. Why? Well, the first point is that um, Dooku? Yoda, Windu and Dooku are dominating the Order by TPM, followed by Qui-Gon. Koon, in an official source concedes defeat to TPM Kenobi. You can't work around this. You could assume that Plo Koon grows after this, sure, but his TPM incarnation concedes to TPM Kenobi (then again, TPM Kenobi -> AotC Kenobi sees very little real growth imo). Yoda tells Ki-Adi Mundi that he's the "only Jedi alive" with the skills to defeat a DS Sharad Hett, and the latter is surprised that Qui-Gon wasn't sent to confront him (he had died), yet another indicator that Qui-Gon is among the best of the best as of TPM.

@meatpants:

Pardon me, I don't really know what you are arguing in the first paragraph. As for the second, well unfortunately you've kinda wasted your time as I do not consider Plo to be number 3 in TPM, or in ROTS for that matter. I was just pointing out that several top-tier figures arguably believed that, and that sources state he was considered as such. And it demonstrates that he is in those tiers, like Qui Gon is too.

Koon didn't concede defeat, he said Qui Gon told him he was training his replacement and now he could see he wasn't just bragging. This isn't a flat-out acknowledgment of inferiority, plus Koon goes on to praise Kenobi's connection to the Force which is rather random. Moreover, Koon is noted as being extremely humble, and less humble characters like Mace Windu have repeatedly "conceded" inferiority to fighters of less ability.

Sharad Hett vs Maul + most of the people who know Koon. Technically going by reputation, TPM Koon's placement as #4 is more supported however by feats undoubtedly Qui Gon holds that title as of TPM. Unless of course you count Maul saying Plo would hardpress him which can be better than Qui Gon's own showing, but that's merely Maul's opinion, not set-in-stone fact.

@lord_tenebrous:

(1) There's no indication that Plo Koon is in the same tier as Qui-Gon.

(2) Koon literally says "It's no small thing to defeat a Jedi Master in combat" or something like that.

(3) Not really. I could easily counter that, when Anoon Bondara goes missing, Windu decides to call a small meeting before bringing this issue before the council. To this meeting, he calls Yoda and Qui-Gon. Again, when Adia Gallia goes missing, Qui-Gon is sent to find her. Sharad Hett is surprised that Qui-Gon wasn't sent to confront him. Qui-Gon is the dude that Windu and the council at large are sending to deal with big threats and super serious missions regarding missing Jedi Masters. Not to mention of course Plagueis' fear that Qui-Gon had killed Maul when hearing of their encounter, or Sidious being unusually proud that his training had allowed Maul to kill "the great Qui-Gon Jinn."

Qui-Gon beats Plo Koon in feats, accolades (don't even go there) and reputation. Handily in fact.

Quote is timestamped. "It is no small thing to defeat a Jedi Master in combat"

Yo that’s not really a concession defeat though is it

@theonewhoknocks: Lol Thanks for the encouraging feedback. I pretty much agree with everything you said , I think you're spot on about Savage he is far to reckless although he could well ragdoll them but I'm not sure how efficiently he can command that power also the part where you said Proxy might beat them shocked me a bit - you could well be right but I guess he is damn fast and stuff but I figured they might just kill him with force. Yes they were supposed to be individual rounds with regeneration between rounds but I now realize that members would die in-between so I think I'm going to change it into they get revived between every battle (if that not sure that would make any difference) . Thanks again for the feedback if people actually like these I might do more of them...

@wolfrazer Okay thanks for the feedback I know realize that the difference between canon and legends is significant and probably the difference between a few victories or losses. Interesting what you said about the Jedi-trainer being the best; you know that might be right. Also I see where you're coming from about the Luke-level bots but still the team have the force and Rosh's lightning they could probably pull off a spam it and run tactic lol. Btw these are separate gauntlets they have to run 'em all feel free to comment on the rest of them.

@lord_tenebrous Interesting reply thanks for the feedback, I may have to read-up on Trebor some more. Refreshing to see some confidence in the team too.

@azureamaterasu: Yeah, but you said against those droids, they can't use their Force powers. If they can, then sure I could see Rosh frying the heck outta the droids with lighting. But what canon are the Magnaguards coming from? Previous or Disney?

But I mean, the Team has some pretty versatile and deadly combatants with powers that the gauntlet have never really encountered or have any knowledge of except perhaps a few which can enable them to get pretty far couple that with their skill.

@wolfrazer I was worried I would cause confusion with that and unfortunately it looks like I did .. I meant that the robots didn't have force for anyone who was maybe unfamiliar with them I'll amend that. Also I agreethanks for the feedback.

@azureamaterasu: Ah, well droids can't use The Force anyway. Although Proxy can replicate pushing and pulling at the least given his design. Still though that does change things, I can see the team getting to Koon then, with Ventress and Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan pairing being the most difficult.

Remind you of anyone? Surprised there isn't a lawsuit!

@wolfrazerYeahhh I thought it was best to clarify for people who were unfamiliar but it probably did more harm than good btw I didn't know that about Proxy?! Also really? You think they get that far ? Cool !

@azureamaterasu: It's mostly due to the fact I'm separating the two canons from eachother, whoever is in one canon is in that canon and stays there going by their picture and thus they only get X feats/accolades. With movie images, I'm defaulting back to previous canon. Taking into that account, many in the gauntlet have zero answers to the powers the team is bringing to the table, nor with the ease that they can do them, some powers none of the gauntlet have even encountered which gives the team the edge, among other things they have in their favor.