NO POWERS: Batman vs Wonder Woman

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#1  Edited By Son_of_Magnus

Warrior born vs Warrior made
 
Round 1:
Diana get shield and sword
Bruce gets katana and ninja gauntlets 
 
Round 2:
Diana gets wrist bands
Bruce gets batarangs 
 
Round 3:
They fight with there mits

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#2  Edited By pooty

Diana wins all 3. she's the better fighter. batman himself said she is best fighter in the world.

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#3  Edited By vuviper

Diana, she is better than all the Amazon's who each have centuries worth of fighting training. She trained under master martial artist I-Ching, so she's very skilled in "man's worlds" MA, and is skilled enough that Black Canary is surprised she could even touch her in a sparring match with no powers.

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#4  Edited By The Rookie

WW

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#5  Edited By Son_of_Magnus

I agree that WW wins would not think it this much of a curbstomp though 

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#6  Edited By vuviper
@Son_of_Magnus: Don't think so either.
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#7  Edited By velle37

Bats
 
WW 
 
Edit:Tie
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#8  Edited By velle37

Bats, he has extensive training with weapons as does WW. But i think Bats skills with weapons are better.
 
WW, her bracelets will deflect his batarangs, so they're useless to him. Her natural reflexes are enough to block them without considering it a superpower. Afterwards she can use them as weapons themselves.
 
Tie, I have seen Bats spar with WW multiple times, WW seemed dominant in one, and in a different one Bats took her down, then she broke free with her super strength. 
 
Without her powers it would be a very good fight. I'd put them equal, if not with Bats slightly higher because of his vast knowledge of martial arts, and her primarily using Amazonian fighting techniques. But she has trained with I-Ching, and i've heard with Lady Shiva as well. It'd be a nice fight.
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#9  Edited By Magian

It will not be easy but WW wins.
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@ComicMan24:  I agree
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@velle37 said:
" Bats, he has extensive training with weapons as does WW. But i think Bats skills with weapons are better. WW, her bracelets will deflect his batarangs, so they're useless to him. Her natural reflexes are enough to block them without considering it a superpower. Afterwards she can use them as weapons themselves. Tie, I have seen Bats spar with WW multiple times, WW seemed dominant in one, and in a different one Bats took her down, then she broke free with her super strength.  Without her powers it would be a very good fight. I'd put them equal, if not with Bats slightly higher because of his vast knowledge of martial arts, and her primarily using Amazonian fighting techniques. But she has trained with I-Ching, and i've heard with Lady Shiva as well. It'd be a nice fight. "

I think WW takes it...... 3000 years EXP vs maybe 25 years For Batman
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#12  Edited By AtPhantom

No powers, Batman wins. 
 
On another note, is there any evidence that she is, in fact, 3000 years old? Most modern comics don't seem to mention that at all.

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#13  Edited By velle37
@WDW said:
" @velle37:
 
 
 
@velle37 said:
" Bats, he has extensive training with weapons as does WW. But i think Bats skills with weapons are better. WW, her bracelets will deflect his batarangs, so they're useless to him. Her natural reflexes are enough to block them without considering it a superpower. Afterwards she can use them as weapons themselves. Tie, I have seen Bats spar with WW multiple times, WW seemed dominant in one, and in a different one Bats took her down, then she broke free with her super strength.  Without her powers it would be a very good fight. I'd put them equal, if not with Bats slightly higher because of his vast knowledge of martial arts, and her primarily using Amazonian fighting techniques. But she has trained with I-Ching, and i've heard with Lady Shiva as well. It'd be a nice fight. "
I think WW takes it...... 3000 years EXP vs maybe 25 years For Batman "


 
 

A melee fight is a brawl. Hnad to hand multiple fighters all going at it. Weapons-wise Batman has been trained extensively. WW has too (bow/arrow, sword, spear, axe, etc), but she does this for sparring, hunting, or flat out killing in war. Batman has trained in the art of using the weapon of a martial fight setting/dojo/street-fight self defense, not necessarily war, but he has the advantage in this arena, though WW is not close behind. Both are very good martial artists, but Bruce has more variety, versatility, and knowledge of multiple forms. Plus this is a pic of him taking WW down in a sparring match. She breaks free in the next panel with her Super strength, but in this thread she doesn't have her super powers. I'm actually inclined to switch my answers to these questions to TIE, WW, Batman. maybe. 
 
And WW and Supes were in Valhalla for 1000 years, so WW is at least older than that, idk about 3000. And even if she did, that was 3000 years of training as an amazon, while bruce has been training in everything (prodigiously beyond his colleagues as noted by his senseis).
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#14  Edited By LeonardoTMNT

WW 
Leaning towards Batman 
Batman

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#15  Edited By AtPhantom

To be fair, any instance of Batman taking Wonder Woman with her powers is complete crap. With that said, Batman simply has more feats of martial prowess and has canonically trained in far more styles. Batman wins in every category.

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#16  Edited By WDW
@velle37:  Cool only problem is you are making an opinon with no fact to support. 
 

 A melee fight is a brawl. Hnad to hand multiple fighters all going at it. Weapons-wise Batman has been trained extensively. WW has too (bow/arrow, sword, spear, axe, etc), but she does this for sparring, hunting, or flat out killing in war

how do you know this. Do you have any evidence to support this claim?
 
The scan does not look like prove. Just looks like he suprised her. Or she let him do it. Can post some of the before and after scans to that page I would be interested in seeing it. What issue and comic is it?
 
I still think it would be a good fight with Wonder Woman taking him down.... My evidence is that he is clearly calling her the best in the world. To me Melee means Armed and Unarmed combat.... And since in the scan Wonder Woman does not have an axe spear sword and pretty much never carries one....ETC he was refering to unarmed. Besides Wonder Woman mainly fights unarmed around batman how could he possible be referring to weapons? 
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Batman

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#18  Edited By AtPhantom

I remember Superman calling Batman the most dangerous person on the planet. Not true either. Feats>Statements

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#19  Edited By Static Shock
@WDW: Just because Batman complimented her as the best melee fighter in the world doesn't mean that he couldn't take her in a fight if she didn't have her powers. Hell, Black Panther said that Shang Chi is the best in the world, but that doesn't mean Black Panther couldn't beat the crap out of Shang Chi. 
 
Actions speak louder than words.
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#20  Edited By FallenAnvil

I've never heard the term 'Throat Lock' used before. Maybe DC didn't want to use the terms 'Choke' (Which is cutting off oxygen to the brain.) or 'Strangle' (Which is cutting off blood flow to the brain). The use of the term throat implies a choke but perhaps Batman knows some nifty technique I'm just not aware of.
 
Very interesting scan.

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#21  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator

Batman.

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#22  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
@Static Shock said:
 Hell, Black Panther said that Shang Chi is the best in the world, but that doesn't mean Black Panther couldn't beat the crap out of Shang Chi.  
I could have sworn he only suggested Shang Chi was better than Iron Fist not that he was the best fighter in the world.
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@Vance Astro: OK. I reread it. It was only Shang Chi being better than Iron Fist.
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#24  Edited By Dark Zoom

batman FTW

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#25  Edited By capall

by completely removing her powers she becomes a mortal woman with average human physical attributes, her skillset doesn't go away but i ain't too sure if she can not physically match up with bats, Diana's melee skills would have to be much greater than bats in order to stay in this fight, who is the complete and better fighter all around, i think it's up for speculation
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#26  Edited By velle37
@WDW said:
" @velle37:  Cool only problem is you are making an opinon with no fact to support. 
 

 A melee fight is a brawl. Hnad to hand multiple fighters all going at it. Weapons-wise Batman has been trained extensively. WW has too (bow/arrow, sword, spear, axe, etc), but she does this for sparring, hunting, or flat out killing in war

how do you know this. Do you have any evidence to support this claim? The scan does not look like prove. Just looks like he suprised her. Or she let him do it. Can post some of the before and after scans to that page I would be interested in seeing it. What issue and comic is it? I still think it would be a good fight with Wonder Woman taking him down.... My evidence is that he is clearly calling her the best in the world. To me Melee means Armed and Unarmed combat.... And since in the scan Wonder Woman does not have an axe spear sword and pretty much never carries one....ETC he was refering to unarmed. Besides Wonder Woman mainly fights unarmed around batman how could he possible be referring to weapons?  "

 
I said he wasn't. I said he was referring to brawls. In terms of martial technique Bats wins. In an all or nothing royale it's WW supposedly, (by the definition of the word that is but eh...., this isn't making much sense to me). And that was a sparring session, she wasn't caught off guard. And back too when you said her age and training gives her the advantage, it would if the ratio of prodigiousness matched the amount of training. Ra's has been training for millenia, yet Nightwing took him down in The Great Leap. Sensei had been training for centuries and beat batman badly in less than 2 minutes, then Bats outsmarted him and Sensei dissapeared in the pure waters because he was unpure. It also depends on drive, Ra's trained to his leisure, Sensei trained specifically to perfect his craft, while Batman trained with fire in his heart at his parents death, and for justice against criminals, to push himself to his limits as a human (and surpass most preconceptions). Wonder Woman trained as it was part of her culture and more of a sport, and she was the best there (I say Artemis is close behind, i don't think Artemis could beat WW in a real fight). Woman also said something weird about the concept of competition the way our world sees it is different from on Themiscrya, if i find it i'll post it, cuz i thought they had comepetitions on her island all the time. BUT there is a different scan of a different training session with WW right here. 
 

 
 


 
 

Idk why the second one is so small. But she had him on his back then his beeper went off. That's why i sadid what i said, One of them Bats took her down, she had him briefly pinned here, and a different one was all of the JLA against her. BAts stunned WW then they swarmed her. But any of these WW couldn't win if she didn't have her powers. Black Canary somewhat took down WW in a sparring match. But WW was holding back tremendously, as she was in the first scan i posted. She broke free in the next panel.



"I remember Superman calling Batman the most dangerous person on the planet. Not true either. Feats>Statements "

He said that because Bats took down an alien army by himself to rescue them, called him the most dangerous man. Supes has also called Martian Manhunter the most powerful being on the planet. And MM doesn't have a lot of feats. They do this as characterization, to give connotation without doing anything. Like saying Shiva is the best in the world without much backstory, you just have to go off of reputation. But i see what you're saying just because a character says it doesn't make it true, that's where suspension of disbelief comes in (which shouldn't be, because plot should be good enough to be convincing). But eh... 
 
 
 
 
 
Bats has also called Shiva the best in the world, i was looking for the scan can't find it now, but he didn't say WW was the best fighter, he said best melee fighter. And he is saying this while she has powers, without powers she would lose in a straight fight to Bats. 
 
I really can't think of another man more dangerouas than batman, Deathstroke? Lex luthor? Ra's? hmmmmmm, nope. can't right now.  If bats really exploited his resources, no one could stop him. He's smarter than anyone who would try. But thaaaaaaaaaat's for another thread.
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#27  Edited By xan84

Good to know i am not the only one thinking that bats>WW (if she does not have her powers of course).
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#28  Edited By velle37
@Xan said:

"Good to know i am not the only one thinking that bats>WW (if she does not have her powers of course). "


Of course it's Bats. He trained himself in every accessible form of knoweldge for mind and body, combat and detective work, martial arts and science in order to fight crime. His martial arts prowess is up there with Bronze Tiger and Richard Dragon. His intellect is in a class with Mr. Terrific. He's one of the very strongest, fastest, and most agile of non metas on the planet (along with Nightwing and Cassandra, and Tiger and Shiva). In a straight fight Bats can take nearly anyone hand to hand, very few have managed to beat him. 
 
Richard stalemated him briefly, Tiger beat him, then later they fought and were interrupted, He's never faced Shiva formally, But i think he'd win, He fought Nightwing it was undecided (they didn't go all out, but NW does rival his skill, it was a cool fight), in a different fight i think Bats beat NW tho i'll check (just checked and no, that was when bats had supes powers too), fought Cassie claimed he had it under control, he's beaten armies of hoghly trained fighters, and fought consecutive masters continuously. He's trained specifically for this, while WW has relyed on her powers for most o her fights. Lasso, tiara, bacelets, armor, strength, speed, flight, she's a beast. And a damn good warrior too. I just think Bats is a better fighter, tough i only place him slightly above her in fighting ability.
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#29  Edited By RavenDark

Wonder Woman wins the first two because the weapons of choice go into her favor....Batman wins the last one.....

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#30  Edited By CylonDorado

 
I think it would be a toss up. Wonder Woman's experience vs. Batman's um.... Batman-ness. The only powerless Wonder Woman feats I can think of are when she held off a pack of wolves, got out of Captain Nazi's grip with quick thinking, and held off a bar full of psychos alongside Beowulf.  
 
Batman's powerless feats include, but are not limited too, being Batman. 

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#32  Edited By The_Ghostshell

I'll back Wonder Woman. Even without her powers she's still a master of Ancient and Modern Martial Arts.

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#33  Edited By WDW

Wonder Woman still seems to have all her agility, acrobatics, timing, tactics, aim judgement and courage in these SCANS even with her powers completely gone. I am pretty sure she would still be superhero class material. How many other heros could say that? not many. She is damn unique thats why I love her.
 
Anyway I still go with Wonder Woman (big suprise) but I also think each are close enough in skill so they could be made to win or lose in a non PIS way depending on which comic, Batman or Wonder Woman, the fight would take place in.
 
With the Weapons WW hands down...... but getting a good challenge  
It's so hard to say with hand to hand. I am leaning WW. Thousands of years training is a long time. Plus she has sought more recent training in mans world.
I think with every defeat Batman will learn and won't make the same mistake twice... and he would get incrementally better...
 
Of course this is all my opinion I could be completely wrong :(
 

 

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#34  Edited By velle37

Really with all of these people who train for thousands of years.... how much better can you get? After the first..... hundred or so (if that) is it not rote from there?
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#35  Edited By WDW
@velle37 said:

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Really with all of these people who train for thousands of years.... how much better can you get? After the first..... hundred or so (if that) is it not rote from there? "

I don't look at it as getting faster or stronger or something..... to me its more of a mental thing..... more focused, perception, concentration, anticipation, visualisation, understanding, oneness, zen etc... I don't think the mind has limits...... The mind is the best weapon it controls everything....... I do agree that peoples bodies won't continue to improve for thousands of years but the control the mind has over physical body can grow infinitely. I would not be suprised if Wonder Womans training is mostly meditation based at this point. Thats my take on it.
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#36  Edited By WW-Fan

Diana easily! she is the best fighter in DC universe 
 

 
 
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#37  Edited By Sexy Merc
@WW-Fan: She's probably 2nd.
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#38  Edited By agent9149

girl power

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#39  Edited By WW-Fan
@Sexy Merc:
and who is better?
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#40  Edited By Crom-Cruach
@WW-Fan said:
" Diana easily! she is the best fighter in DC universe "
Not even in the Top 3 actually.
 
Without her powers, Batman wins.
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#41  Edited By Sexy Merc
@WW-Fan: Karate Kid is better.
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#42  Edited By WW-Fan
@Crom-Cruach:
she is! why is she worse fighter without her powers? she have been fighting all her life, since she was a child
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#43  Edited By ComicStooge
@AtPhantom said:
"To be fair, any instance of Batman taking Wonder Woman with her powers is complete crap. With that said, Batman simply has more feats of martial prowess and has canonically trained in far more styles. Batman wins in every category. "
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#44  Edited By Son_of_Magnus

Wow I forgot I made this my further research on Wonder Woman since than determines her to be victorious 

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#45  Edited By anthol

Batman all three.

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#46  Edited By Fetts

Ends in sex. At least hopefully...one day it'll happen.....just you wait....one day......

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#47  Edited By jeanroygrant

@Static Shock said:

Batman
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#48  Edited By TheWitchingHour

I'd give round 1 to Wonder Woman: given her amazonian training sword and shield combo is dangerous. And since Batman would be strictly non-lethal, Diana should win in a good fight.

Rounds 2 & 3 to Batman: the bracelets will lose much of their edge without Diana's superspeed. And Batman is a better hand to hand fighter.

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#49  Edited By the_stegman  Moderator

Round One-WW 
 
Round 2, 3- Batman

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#50  Edited By Pokeysteve

Pretty sure she isn't 3000 years old. The rest of the Amazons are.

I want to back Batman because of lack of feats on Diana's part. Batman's more styles doesn't automatically equal a win either people. This would be a hell of a fight.