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Naruto and those merge with the Juubi are the only ones who have this. No one else. Well, unless you count Sakura, but a buff spell is a spell even if casted on yourself.
so basically when you were given evidence that chakra can amplify physical stats you basically opted to say " Its only for Jinchurukis " ? and what do Jinchurukis gain from their Tailed beasts that gives them power? chakra right? so basically not only have you played yourself with this argument , you didn't even think what you said , not only that but you very wisely opted to ignore the part about sage mode in the very Linked WoT I gave you .
Sage Mode: Naruto gains significant amps in all facets when he enhances himself with Sage Chakra/Natural energy, which we clearly saw on multiple accounts; the most notable instance being when he overpowered Tendo Pain immediately after being on the backend of Pain's assault when he was in base form.
and now what does sage mode do? Give one the sage chakra present in the environment , So Senjutsu , Jugo curse mark and all of them can amplify stats
Sage Mode:Sage Mode, in essence, functions by absorbing Nature Energy from the surroundings and mixing it with your own, resulting in a new, more powerful chakra that dramatically enhances your Ninjutsu, Genjutsu, and Taijutsu. This is a very simple and straightforward example showcasing that more chakra quantity and potency directly correlate with all of a Ninja's assets being significantly enhanced. I don't feel the need to list all of SM's feats, as they are well known, well documented, and self-explanatory.
- Juugo's Curse Mark:Juugo's Curse Mark functions exactly the same as Sage Mode, more or less. It allows him to naturally absorb Senjutsu Chakra from the surroundings to grant himself a significant increase in all of his stats.This article from Narutoversitygreatly illustrates how it functions and the mechanics behind it. It's derivative,Orochimaru's Cursed Seal, functions in much the same way, with the only difference that its fuel is Orochimaru's own Senjutsu Chakra instead of directly absorbing it from nature. There are many instances that greatly showcase the amp, but I feel like the most straightforward one is whenSasuke was first adapting to the Cursed Seal of Heaven's power in his fight against Naruto, and we see his physical abilities dramatically increase to the point of completely dominating Naruto physically, and even blitzing him at one point. This is a very clear cut example of a chakra increase enhancing physical abilities, which even Sasuke acknowledges as his power rapidly increasing.
- Tsunade and Sakura's Chakra Enhanced Strength:Tsunade and Sakura employ very fine and delicate chakra control in order to enhance their fists with maximum chakra at a rapid pace in order to enhance their strength dramatically and achieve almost unparalleled destructive power.
and lets not ignore that the chakra from naruto in Bijuu Sage mode was Shared and it was amping people , meaning you don't need to be Jinchuruki for Chakra amped physicals but simply have
That's a movie feat, we considering those?
a Canonical film with an entire novelization and its characters appearing in Boruto? sure , if you can prove the canonicity of a certain film , using them is fair enough .
Guy breaking the Truth Orb is only a +1 to Luffy's chances of beating Juubito.
it would only be possible if Obito simply lets himself get into a position where a punch would land on him as Luffy cannot interact with the Truth Seeker Orbs .
Pretty much, the lack of evidence of people getting throwing around means a lack of a stats which you need when your facing super-humans.
again , this is probably the single most ludrious thing I have heard today tbh , its Ridiculous to its very core as an argument due to it being reliant on the idea of collaterial damage being relevant but I guess you will argue The entire Tournament of Power cast to be below Mountain level because of this overreliance on collateral Damage?
Cool spells (jutsus) are great and very help against Brawlers if you can stay out of their reach and pace. The problem is, most people in Naruto don't got the speed or tanking feats to compete.
they more than enough do , Most Naruto characters can tank what they are able to throw and even above considering that The Ten Tails was able to survive its point Blank Tailed beast bombs from the inside of his body , the same bombs are implied to be Large country level ( potentially higher due to Narutoverse continent being Massive ) .
Madara tankings the Lava Rasenshuriken which is logically Far above the chakra arms for an example , or Naruto with the Golden Reincarnation Wheel from Toneri e.t.c. .
Oh that. Well someone will have to calc it, cause it is hard to quantify how destructive that is since it cut wood and was never used on a single person, ever. I think.
Hold up, someone did calc it: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Kepekley23/Naruto_Revisions:_Naruto_cuts_down_the_Shinju
And it is mountain+. RIP, not that impressive
first of all the assumption there is that Divine Tree's durability and such are equal to average wood , which is baseless considering it is a tree of great amount of chakra and even overpowered Late War Naruto at one point physically .
second the Lava Rasenshuriken Cutting down the Divine Tree doesn't mean that it caps at cutting down the Divine Tree
And Yes Madara faced the said Lava Rasenshuriken and in addition to your already flawed argument , You didn't take in account that the Said Rasenshuriken has a said Attack Potency .
for example it was too much for Juubi Madara who is far Above Juubi Obito who in turn is far above the duo of Bijuu Sage Naruto and Bijuu Minato , who in turn overpowered the chakra arms that tore apart the barrier that tanked Ten tailed tailed beasts bombs which are Astronomically above " Mountain+ level "
Mountain+ level is honestly an insult to be honest to an attack that can harm Juubidara , don't see where you get that idea .
That works fine for Superman, cause he is pulling his punches
he isn't pulling his punches when having a street tier fight with a massively amped Alfred .
and DC/Marvel artists don't do battle mangas.
ignoring the fact that Cool fight scenes are almost unquestionably Important and a requirement , that isn't a good excuse at all , I am showing how collateral damage should not be used for vs debating .
Naruto is a shonen manga, it comes after plenty of others who follow this formula.
There are many Shounen mangas that don't have characters just flying hundred meters away after every single punch thrown , Look at Clorox/Bleach for one , As I have already said , Collateral Damage doesn't mean anything in this debate .
It would be easy for the author to add those cool Destructive effects in battle if they wish, but they don't. Why...? choice,
because usually its more challenging to have a Fight where everyone is getting thrown around while also having Good Choreography , Look at Star Wars : The Force Unleashed and Star Wars : Revenge of The Sith to get an example of how writers go for different approaches at times .
maybe but in the end it paints them as more realistic and human characters. Not characters who can tank mountain lvl AP or even DC attacks.
if you're talking about pure visual scale and such then I can see someone watching a fight between Edo Madara and Hashirama and getting away with the Idea that they can't tank mountain vaping attacks , but then you look at The Previous feats and scaling of Attack Potency and such and you realize they can.
very much the same thing as people watching Hit fight Goku and think they can't even destroy a City when they can Arguably Destroy an entire universe .
when did Pain take A Mountain level attack
when he survived The Incomplete Bijuudama from the Six Tails .
here is the calculation , the calculation says that the Bomb Itself is around Island level and the Durability of Six Tails Naruto is Island level but due to the implementation of The Inverse Square Law we have Nagato/Pain's at simply mountain level
I don't know. That kick from Guy did an awful lot of damage to Madara, he even said it almost killed him! You sure they are as immortal as you claim?
uhhh , pretty damn sure tbh , Not only have I an entire Blog on this matter , Madara was not scared about Death The entire fight and mere minutes after the said statement , he proceeded to say that he is completely immortal and cannot be defeated at all .
Not really. Chakra amping a stat is usually used as part of a technique. Infact it is very video-game like in that nature. The only few who keep their Amped states going are Naruto, Sakura, Juubi-folks, Tsunade, Minato and probably a few others I missed. Everyone else? Naw, not even killer Bee. Oh wait his brother maybe! Damn, I am forgetting a lot of nobodies
you're not getting the point , every single Shinobi on the battlefield was amped in every single manner when he was given the Chakra from Naruto , meaning that if they all get an external source of chakra energy they all get an amplification .
Indeed, I misremembered that Sakura exists. Not that it matters, those who use chakra to boost their physical stats are few and far between. It is not a common thing even among top tiers. Sasuke doesn't make himself faster with Chakra, he just IS faster, naturally
dude.....
To put it plainly, chakra is what fuels a jutsu. The mental and physical energies of a shinobi’s body are joined together into stamina, which is internally converted into chakra, the energy source for a jutsu’s activation. The efficiency of this conversion is influenced by the user’s skill. Being able to efficiently convert stamina means a possibility to cast an even larger number of jutsu. In addition, chakra can be used to temporarily trigger some physical abilities. Thanks to this, shinobi can perform superhuman physical feats. It is necessary to balance out those two elements [mental energy + physical energy] to knead properly.
- The First Naruto Databook
this isn't about sakura but ninjas in general
That big list of examples is all Naruto specific. Kakashi can't do this, Gaara can't, The other Kages can't (except Bee's bro), Sai can't, many of the past kages couldn't either, the list goes on. There is significantly more people who can't versus the dozen or so who could.
First of all , there are many more characters without any speciality who can do it such as Nagato/Pain
Pain/Nagato:Pain's power at any given point is determined by how many bodies are active at a time and how far they are from Nagato. This is due to Nagato's chakra being distributed among the 6 bodies, so him focusing his chakra on less bodies increases their power overall. This culminates when he goes down to a single body, as was the case with Tendo needing to be the only one active in order to perform the CST. Tendo's (and the other Paths' such as the Preta Path) physical capabilities also improved significantly, as he was capable of withstanding attacks from Sage Mode and KN6 Naruto, when Sage Naruto previously one-shot multiple Paths with the greatest of ease. Distance also greatly affect's Pain's power, as he functions by transmitting Nagato's chakra to the bodies like a sort of signal. So the closer the receivers are to Nagato, the stronger the signal, and thus the stronger the chakra received. Nagato's peak is when he operates with his own body, as he no longer needs to split his chakra among different bodies or suffer from weak chakra signals. Naruto makes note of this when he faces Edo Nagato during the War Arc, noting that both his power and Jutsu are far stronger now that he doesn't operate with 6 dead bodies and is instead facing them himself.
and even basic genin/chunin/low level Jounin , as they all implement things such as Chakra In combat to massively increase speed using The Body Flicker
Shuunshin no Jutus:A basic and common, D-rank, Ninja technique that functions by enhancing the legs and feet with chakra to greatly enhance the user's speed.
The Fourth Raikage even
Raiton Armor:The Raikage is capable of enhancing his speed, power, reflexes, and durability significantly with Raiton Chakra.The Raiton chakra emphasizes speed, reflexes, and durability, but it has been shown and stated that as the speed increases, so does the user's power.
and ofcourse , there is always Kakashi's Retsudan novels proving chakra's Propotionality with physicals
Kakashi Retsuden:
. It is not a common thing even among top tiers. Sasuke doesn't make himself faster with Chakra, he just IS faster, naturally.
Sasuke has a great amount of incredibly powerful chakra he inherited from a powerful Otsutsuki such as Indra , and thus as he learns to harness the chakra his power increases .
in war , He straight gets half the Chakra of the Sage of the Six Paths himself .
so His incredible speed and power can casually be attributed to the fact that he is incredibly powerful when it comes to the quality of chakra .
Yeah! They get weaker cause it is tied to their stamina! Real nice tidbit to relearn, thanks! Now a war of an attrition battle is one more way Naruto characters lose fights.
stamina is one of the many stats that can be amplified using chakra , due to chakra's nature as physical energy its completely arguable
Thanks aniki!
You're welcome .
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