Battle takes place in Gotham at 11pm at the docs each gets One week of prep but no outside help, red hood gets 2 pistols Max + other standard equipment, nightwing gets 15 wingadings + regular equipment. they start 60 meters away from eachother. No outside help morals off for red hood blood lust for nightwing
Mano et Mano I think this is Dick's fight to lose. HOwever I think Enzeru is right and while I think Todd is pretty much just a punk, I could totally see him just luring Nightwing into the deathtrap.
@Enzeru: In BFtC Jason electrocuted Dick and Rigged the Batcave yet he still lost. They both have one week prep and they both know each other well, but Nightwing clearly has the advantage in resources. So what makes you think Jason could just non nonchalantly take Dick out? Because he's more ruthless? Thats not a good reason.
@Enzeru: Your scaling your argument in Jasons favor in a really extreme way. Your just assuming all of this would go down according to plan. As everybody else has said, and as its been done in the comics, Nightwing wins with or without prep
I'm being realistic.
Honestly I agree with Enzeru, as much as Dick is more skilled all around I think Jason could pull it off, I mean think about it, even if Grayson knows Jason has hostages hes not gonna let them die, he'll have no choice but to play into Jason's trap, and with no morals Jason would just kill everyone. But if they were going toe to toe Dick destroys him. So Jason 6/10 because of prep and morals
Honestly I agree with Enzeru, as much as Dick is more skilled all around I think Jason could pull it off, I mean think about it, even if Grayson knows Jason has hostages hes not gonna let them die, he'll have no choice but to play into Jason's trap, and with no morals Jason would just kill everyone. But if they were going toe to toe Dick destroys him. So Jason 6/10 because of prep and morals
That's exactly what I'm talking about. Under the OP's rules ... Nightwing dies. That's for sure. Most of the people who are voting for Nightwing either didn't read the rules of the fight and now simply believe it would be a simply "Nightwing VS Red Hood" thread, or they don't know shit about Red Hood and his ruthlessness. If he prepares to kill Nightwing, then Nightwing dies. Period.
I love how you're insinuating people haven't read anything but the funny thing is they didn't even write anything to say why but here ya go on a long winded speech of why person A beats person B and claiming everyone is wrong "period". Read up on the characters before claiming you're right and everyone else is wrong when you should probably read up on the characters and re-read the OP yourself.
Honestly I agree with Enzeru, as much as Dick is more skilled all around I think Jason could pull it off, I mean think about it, even if Grayson knows Jason has hostages hes not gonna let them die, he'll have no choice but to play into Jason's trap, and with no morals Jason would just kill everyone. But if they were going toe to toe Dick destroys him. So Jason 6/10 because of prep and morals
That's exactly what I'm talking about. Under the OP's rules ... Nightwing dies. That's for sure. Most of the people who are voting for Nightwing either didn't read the rules of the fight and now simply believe it would be a simply "Nightwing VS Red Hood" thread, or they don't know shit about Red Hood and his ruthlessness. If he prepares to kill Nightwing, then Nightwing dies. Period.
@daredevil21134: Why? Nightwing's beat him when Jason was prepped and trying to kill Dick in a straight up fight. They both get prep here, Dick has better resources at his disposal and the whole argument Jason wins using lethal force and Dick won't is pointless because Dick is bloodlusted as well.
Red Hood wins because of the prep. He would prep to kill Nightwing and not just take him out. That would include capturing scum bags and hiding them somewhere in a hall - forcing Nightwing to go after them and free them. Then it would be easy to blow the whole thing up and end the battle, aswell the lives of more then enough enemies. I don't see a bloodlusted Nightwing being skilled enough to take Red Hood fast enough out, to free them without having to worry about Red Hood. And since there is no outside help, he wouldn't have a different choice. I see Jason being ruthless enough to pull that stunt off, if he is pushed to.
It sounds like you are only giving Red Hood one week of prep in your scenario, which is not what the OP stated.
@daredevil21134: Why? Nightwing's beat him when Jason was prepped and trying to kill Dick in a straight up fight. They both get prep here, Dick has better resources at his disposal and the whole argument Jason wins using lethal force and Dick won't is pointless because Dick is bloodlusted as well.
Jason had just got done getting hit in the face with a crowbar by Tim and right after that he ran into Noghtwing I don't think he was prepared for that.But anyways i'm sure nobody remembers that.And if Jason truly wanted kill Dick he would have done in Batman and Robin when he had both Dick and Damian at his mercy
Honestly I agree with Enzeru, as much as Dick is more skilled all around I think Jason could pull it off, I mean think about it, even if Grayson knows Jason has hostages hes not gonna let them die, he'll have no choice but to play into Jason's trap, and with no morals Jason would just kill everyone. But if they were going toe to toe Dick destroys him. So Jason 6/10 because of prep and morals
That's exactly what I'm talking about. Under the OP's rules ... Nightwing dies. That's for sure. Most of the people who are voting for Nightwing either didn't read the rules of the fight and believe it would be a simple "Nightwing VS Red Hood" thread, or they don't know shit about Red Hood and his ruthlessness. If he prepares to kill Nightwing, then Nightwing dies. Period.
The fight is not: Only Red Hood gets months of prep and then Nightwing must stop him.
The fight is: Both fighters get one week of prep, and then meet and fight at the docks at a certain time.
@daredevil21134: Why? Nightwing's beat him when Jason was prepped and trying to kill Dick in a straight up fight. They both get prep here, Dick has better resources at his disposal and the whole argument Jason wins using lethal force and Dick won't is pointless because Dick is bloodlusted as well.
Jason had just got done getting hit in the face with a crowbar by Tim and right after that he ran into Noghtwing I don't think he was prepared for that.But anyways i'm sure nobody remembers that.And if Jason truly wanted kill Dick he would have done in Batman and Robin when he had both Dick and Damian at his mercy
And Dick didn't prep like Jason did in that instance nor was he bloodlusted like he is here. Dick isn't hindered by his usual character here and Jason who isn't afraid to kill can't play that to his advantage.
@daredevil21134: Why? Nightwing's beat him when Jason was prepped and trying to kill Dick in a straight up fight. They both get prep here, Dick has better resources at his disposal and the whole argument Jason wins using lethal force and Dick won't is pointless because Dick is bloodlusted as well.
Jason had just got done getting hit in the face with a crowbar by Tim and right after that he ran into Noghtwing I don't think he was prepared for that.But anyways i'm sure nobody remembers that.And if Jason truly wanted kill Dick he would have done in Batman and Robin when he had both Dick and Damian at his mercy
And Dick didn't prep like Jason did in that instance nor was he bloodlusted like he is here. Dick isn't hindered by his usual character here and Jason who isn't afraid to kill can't play that to his advantage.
True,but i'm still going with the Champion of the All Caste here lol
It's just that Nightwing won't be able to come up with something to gain the upper hand, because Jason Todd will always have the upper hand because of his missing morals and one week of prep. I know that Nightwing is able to defeat Red Hood in a random fight, without any bigger preparation due to his superior skill / will, but in THIS fight it's all about the morals.
That turned him into a killer, when he got his hands on the Joker. But I would also say that was a huge lecture for him.
Being bloodlusted during his fight against a preped Red Hood, who instantly addresses at the beginning of the fight that he is holding hostages (but criminals) and that they will die if Nightwing doesn't play along ... it would be already over. Nightwing wouldn't risk their lives.
Stop being so narrow-minded. You're one of the people who would also instantly try to argue for Colossus in a "Carnage VS Colossus" and totally ignore Carnage's ruthlessness and the will to kill - to keep hostages and use them as human shields and as a bait to force Colossus to leave his indestructible form and force him to keep it.
Red Hood with one week prep and without morals > Nightwing Carnage in a open wide, populated area > Colossus.
It's easy as that. If the OP would include PIS, or CIS ... then it would be a different story. Under these circumstances - Red Hood stomps.
Again: clearly, you are only giving Red Hood the prep. You let him set up Gotham City to his liking, and then (and only then), Nightwing swoops in.
It's obvious that you have not considered, at all, what a bloodlusted Nightwing would do in his week of prep.
It's also obvious that your mind is made up on this matter.
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