New Krypton vs Shi'ar Empire

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#2  Edited By Son_of_Magnus

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#3  Edited By BatDance

Shiar owns
They have faced Supermen before, once they figure out the Kryptonians are sun powered its trouble.
Even if the Shiar were not able to figure this out it would take years for Krypton to cut the Shiar down to size. 
The Shiar was typically a whole Galaxy, millions and millions of stars, Billions and Billions of Planets
 
Add Entities  the Phoenix force and its a stomp

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#4  Edited By joshmightbe

wouldnt they just sic gladiators home world on new krypton once they figure out the sun thing itd probably be a massacre

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Problem is, they don't have anyone that can go against a kryptonian. The members of New Krypton have 100000 people with those levels, that without counting Superman, Supergirl, Jax-Ur, Zod and Azura who are quite skilled with those powers.
 
A group of regular citizens of New Krypton beat up and killed Doomsday without any problem, now they are thousand and have armies with people with those powers. Oh and the Kryptonian technology was already more advance than any other in the universe when their planet was destroyed, with the new advances they should be quite more formidable

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#6  Edited By joshmightbe

but the shiar arent stupid so theyd do research not saying theyd win easy but if they figuered out their weaknesses theyd win

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#7  Edited By Son_of_Magnus
@BatDance: Ya too bad Superman and the Shi'ar have never been in the same multiverse let alone face each other
 
@joshmightbe: Kryptonians have armor to emit yellow sun radiantion and protect them from kryptonite also how are they gonna figure out there weakness? Krypton is also more advanced
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#8  Edited By joshmightbe
@Son_of_Magnus:
do shiar have magic users? if so that could be their ace in the hole im not completely positive the kryptonians would lose but the shiar have a good chance
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#9  Edited By BatDance
@joshmightbe said:

" wouldnt they just sic gladiators home world on new krypton  "

They would use them as attack dogs if  the planet still existed, unlike Superman Gladiator was truly one of the last sons, there are no Daxamite planets, no New Krypton planets. 
Gladiator and his super punk haircut is a dying breed 
all that exists is his sis Xenith and a handful of others with purple skin and red capes
The Shi'ar Empire isn't as powerful as it once was, this is why Vulcan insists on raising the Galaxy to its former glory
 but planets like Gladiator's one was completely destroyed in one of those wars
 
 

@Son_of_Magnus

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" Krypton is also more advanced "

  I doubt it, they lived in a society still fighting with poverty and war. They barely made it off their planet
When a cataclysm came none of them on Krypton could prevent their planet from breaking apart
and they couldn't figure out how to prevent the sun from going red giant
 
I would rank Kryptonians as a Type I or a very low Type II, 
the science, energy and technology a Kryptonain would use would be sligtly less than tech you find a Star Trek movie
 
Shi'ar is a high Type II or Type I I I Civilization, they not only build worlds, have more advanced tech but have had control of skyfather creatures and entities like the Phoneix and they owned an entire Galaxy
 
 

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" once they figure out the sun thing itd probably be a massacre "

  I agree, very little hope for Krypton after this
A galaxy with millions of planets and millions of scientists, somebody is going to figure out the sun thing pretty quick
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#10  Edited By AtPhantom
@joshmightbe said:
" wouldnt they just sic gladiators home world on new krypton once they figure out the sun thing itd probably be a massacre "
Gladiator doesn't have a homeworld anymore.
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#11  Edited By Son_of_Magnus
@joshmightbe said:
" @Son_of_Magnus: do shiar have magic users? if so that could be their ace in the hole im not completely positive the kryptonians would lose but the shiar have a good chance "
Magic is not really a problem for Kryptonians anymore more like an annoyance
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#12  Edited By AtPhantom
@Son_of_Magnus said:
" @joshmightbe said:
" @Son_of_Magnus: do shiar have magic users? if so that could be their ace in the hole im not completely positive the kryptonians would lose but the shiar have a good chance "
Magic is not really a problem for Kryptonians anymore more like an annoyance "
That's just Superman actually. The rest are still vulnerable.
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@AtPhantom said:
" @Son_of_Magnus said:
" @joshmightbe said:
" @Son_of_Magnus: do shiar have magic users? if so that could be their ace in the hole im not completely positive the kryptonians would lose but the shiar have a good chance "
Magic is not really a problem for Kryptonians anymore more like an annoyance "
That's just Superman actually. The rest are still vulnerable. "
I thought they all toughened up after Crisis? Powergirl is never affected around Magog, Gog, or Herc
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#14  Edited By Nighthunter
@joshmightbe said:
" but the shiar arent stupid so theyd do research not saying theyd win easy but if they figuered out their weaknesses theyd win "
The kryptonians figured in a matter of minutes how to prevent the Blackest Night from reaching their homeplanet, something no one else has even been close to do in the entire universe. The Kryptonians besides being hosts of great power are also the most advanced civilization. In recent issues they have showed the technology to create mountains, oceans, forests, etc. in mere days, along with taking moons from other planets millions of kilometers away without anyone being able to stop it. That's how advanced their technology is.
 
@joshmightbe said:
" @Son_of_Magnus: do shiar have magic users? if so that could be their ace in the hole im not completely positive the kryptonians would lose but the shiar have a good chance "

DC's most powerful magical heroes (Doctor Fate, Zatanna, Captain Marvel, Shadowpact, etc.) all banded together with the JSA, JLA and Titans and yet all they couldn't win, they also weren't even fighting the entire Kryptonian army.
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#15  Edited By Son_of_Magnus
@Nighthunter: Thanks NH I have been trying to catch up on New Krypton I have been busy and I have so many books so books that are not part ofa major arc are getting pushed away so thanks
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@Nighthunter said:

" DC's most powerful magical heroes (Doctor Fate, Zatanna, Captain Marvel, Shadowpact, etc.) all banded together with the JSA, JLA and Titans and yet all they couldn't win, they also weren't even fighting the entire Kryptonian army. "

 Current Fate is a fool
Forget about Superman or the Shi'ar for a sec. Zatanna would be blitzed by Quicksilver and Spider-Man
Billy ok, I'll give you credit here. He's not smart but he is certainly fast and he's tough
 
However you do undertsnad the concept of being out gunned do you?  Some fans failed to get the out gunned concept in Romulan vs BlackAdam thread
 
So Let me explain it
You could take the USA's best Navy Seals, give them a humvee, a helicopter and stick him in a brand new Abrams M1 and give them heaps and heaps of ammo 
These are the best soldiers in the world
Now you put them in smack in the middle of Afghanistan against millions of guys with AKs and RPGs and knives
What happens?
The US seals die
 
They are simply out numbered, out gunned
 
Same happens with Billy vs New Krypton - out gunned, out numbered
Same happens with New Krypton vs A Galactic Empire
 
The Shi'ar Galaxy could be at 1% of its power
 
It would still out number the planet Krypton by over a million to one


 
@Nighthunter said:

" The kryptonians figured in a matter of minutes how to prevent the Blackest Night from reaching their homeplanet, something no one else has even been close to do in the entire universe. The Kryptonians besides being hosts of great power are also the most advanced civilization. In recent issues they have showed the technology to create mountains, oceans, forests, etc. in mere days, along with taking moons from other planets millions of kilometers away without anyone being able to stop it. That's how advanced their technology is.
 
"

  Blackest Night has not full played out. There could be some obvious plot yet to play. Krypton also has the advantage of having a Brainiac on their side. No one on DC Earth can match Brainiac's computer head
but the Shi'ar have millions of scientists some of which may be near Brainiac's level and many Shi'ar scientists would make Luthor look the fool
Again in a battle of brains this is numbers game. The Shi'ar can out smart him by simply having millions of planets with brainy people
 
 The Shi'ar as an Empire have conversed almost as equals with Watchers understanding the secrets behind Galactus and the Phoenix and why these creatures are so imortant to the Universe, this is something no human has understood, even Reed but the Shi'ar evolved just enough to comprehend it, they have played with  Celestial technology which is so far beyond anything on Earth. Messing around with Celestial stuff only Apocalypse, Brainiac and Doom might pull off such a feat, but the Shi'ar do it as if its a casual feat.
 

Kryptonians may have created moutians and forests
but the Shi'ar have created entire Galactic fleets, they have created Dyson Spheres, Accelerated Evolution, they can cloak entire worlds, have created entire Artificial Planets
 


 
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@Nighthunter: Their Technology is still inferior to the New Gods and the Oans.
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#18  Edited By Lance Uppercut
@BatDance said:
" @Nighthunter said:

" DC's most powerful magical heroes (Doctor Fate, Zatanna, Captain Marvel, Shadowpact, etc.) all banded together with the JSA, JLA and Titans and yet all they couldn't win, they also weren't even fighting the entire Kryptonian army. "

 Current Fate is a fool
Forget about Superman or the Shi'ar for a sec. Zatanna would be blitzed by Quicksilver and Spider-Man
Billy ok, I'll give you credit here. He's not smart but he is certainly fast and he's tough
 
However you do undertsnad the concept of being out gunned do you?  Some fans failed to get the out gunned concept in Romulan vs BlackAdam thread
 
So Let me explain it
You could take the USA's best Navy Seals, give them a humvee, a helicopter and stick him in a brand new Abrams M1 and give them heaps and heaps of ammo 
These are the best soldiers in the world
Now you put them in smack in the middle of Afghanistan against millions of guys with AKs and RPGs and knives
What happens?
The US seals die
 
They are simply out numbered, out gunned
 
Same happens with Billy vs New Krypton - out gunned, out numbered
Same happens with New Krypton vs A Galactic Empire
 
The Shi'ar Galaxy could be at 1% of its power
 
It would still out number the planet Krypton by over a million to one


 
@Nighthunter said:

" The kryptonians figured in a matter of minutes how to prevent the Blackest Night from reaching their homeplanet, something no one else has even been close to do in the entire universe. The Kryptonians besides being hosts of great power are also the most advanced civilization. In recent issues they have showed the technology to create mountains, oceans, forests, etc. in mere days, along with taking moons from other planets millions of kilometers away without anyone being able to stop it. That's how advanced their technology is.
 
"

  Blackest Night has not full played out. There could be some obvious plot yet to play. Krypton also has the advantage of having a Brainiac on their side. No one on DC Earth can match Brainiac's computer head but the Shi'ar have millions of scientists some of which may be near Brainiac's level and many Shi'ar scientists would make Luthor look the fool Again in a battle of brains this is numbers game. The Shi'ar can out smart him by simply having millions of planets with brainy people    The Shi'ar as an Empire have conversed almost as equals with Watchers understanding the secrets behind Galactus and the Phoenix and why these creatures are so imortant to the Universe, this is something no human has understood, even Reed but the Shi'ar evolved just enough to comprehend it, they have played with  Celestial technology which is so far beyond anything on Earth. Messing around with Celestial stuff only Apocalypse, Brainiac and Doom might pull off such a feat, but the Shi'ar do it as if its a casual feat.  Kryptonians may have created moutians and forests but the Shi'ar have created entire Galactic fleets, they have created Dyson Spheres, Accelerated Evolution, they can cloak entire worlds, have created entire Artificial Planets   . "
When do the Shi'ar ever play around with celestial technology on a regular basis?
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#19  Edited By AtPhantom

To put this one to a close, if freaking Nova can solo a Shi'ar fleet, a single Kryptonian can as well.

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#20  Edited By castleking
@batdance
 
i wasnt sure how to root for krypton since they are only one planet vs an empire... but they are uber powered each easily the equal of gladiator and two of them could take vulcan down before he can drain just one of them... also i aint saying ever single one is going to blitz every ship but their are going to be some of them blitzing....
 
the only way i see them losing is if they are forced in a prolong space war and get lost and cant get fresh supply of oxygen periodically.......
 
 
the only way i see the shiar empire winning is if they just use solar system annihilation bombs............ or what not since i dont equate them near or equal to supe in durability....
 
also i just want to point out that navy seals and various black ops organizations arent  exactly geared toward actual combat but for infiltration a common believe by civilians due to movies and stuff,.......... ur point would be better made if you had put season combat Marines instead of navy seals, i doubt many of them could operate an abram tank which are fun by the way i was a gunner on one.... :P when i was bored and wanted a different detail..
 
 

 
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#21  Edited By BatDance

Is this before or after they blow up Krypton and kill everyone with red sun radiation?
 

@Lance Uppercut

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"When do the Shi'ar ever play around with celestial technology on a regular basis? "

  They have feats its just not something they do every day of the week
Even a minor Galactic race called the "Badoons" who conquered 37% of our Galaxy have Celestial feats, they pimp smacked the Celestials and turned them to slaves
 
Shi'ar tech>>>>>>>>>Badoon tech 
 
 @castleking said:

" @batdance
 
i wasnt sure how to root for krypton since they are only one planet vs an empire... but they are uber powered each easily the equal of gladiator and two of them could take vulcan down before he can drain just one of them... also i aint saying ever single one is going to blitz every ship but their are going to be some of them blitzing....
 

 
"

  IMO
Even the weakest version of the Shi'ar Empire will still have hundreds, maybe thousnads of planets around red runs and red giant stars
The Kryptonians won't be able to touch these sectors
 
Shi'ar can now build their biggest ugliest weapons in a secure location, once they let their ultimate weapons rip. New Krypton is No More.
Just like old Krypton there will be little if anything the guys at Krypton can do to save their planet
 

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#22  Edited By SeSAW

Shiar owns, they have the numbers and the tech
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i missed you sesaw!!!  :P
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@castleking:
Thanks man i missed you as well feels good to be here again.
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@castleking said:
" i missed you sesaw!!!  :P
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LOL
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#26  Edited By Son_of_Magnus
@SeSAW said:
" Shiar owns, they have the numbers and the tech "
Actually the Kryptonians are more advanced in tech and numbers mean nothing when you deal with Kryptonian
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#27  Edited By BatDance

 Krypton would be small fish in a big pond
 
I think we need to clear up the massive tech gap
 
The Shi'ar have sun-fire tech, they can keep building planets that grow to stars or can grab a gas giant like Jupiter and make it a star, they fight a full on massive war with the Kree 2 Galaxies away, that's thousands and thousands of light years distance and the Shi'ar wreck the Kree planets, start wasting them until the Kree empire finally accepts its part of the Shi'ar Empire. Shi'ar later turn their attention on the Skrull Galaxy, send their fleets to another Galaxy called Andromeda and start eating into world after world..this way way back when the name Skurll meant something, they didn't jobber, they weren't refugees and spies on Earth. The Skrulls were once StarTrek like with StarWars aggression. The Skurlls built ships, superpowered champions and had all kinds of powers and the Shi'Ar send ships to screw them up at their best. Fight them when the Skrulls are near their Prime. The Shi'ar have knowledge of time travel their ships hit crazy FTL speed with ease. The ShiAr make their own planets, artificial worlds, they can fire off black holes and waste solar systems.

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#28  Edited By castleking
have the shiar used any particular planet or solar system busters?
 
b/c if they have and depending on how they go about of deploying the wpn they could take down the Kryptonians...
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#29  Edited By OhTru
@castleking said:
" have the shiar used any particular planet or solar system busters?
 

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Yeah they have many of those ships
 
I'll see if I can dog out a scan
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#30  Edited By BatDance
 
 ShiAr are WAY more advanced
 
@joshmightbe said:

" but the shiar arent stupid so theyd do research not saying theyd win easy but if they figuered out their weaknesses theyd win "

They shotgun blast New Krypton with a big burst of red sun radiation and everyone dies
 
 Like I said Krypton would be small fish in a big pond
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#31  Edited By ironshadow

New Krypton would slaughter a few million shi'arians but in the end .... New Krypton falls 

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dont the shiar outnumber the kyptonians like 300 to 1?