New Gods vs Eternals vs Kryptonians vs Asgardians

Eternals

^^They include people like Thanos, Hyperion, Sersi, etc.

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New Gods

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Kryptonians

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Asgardians

This is a giant species world war. To see who is the superior in warfare, tech and intelligence.

Rules:

1. No Thanos, Darkseid, Highfather or Odin. There is a big power vacuum.
2. Every single character from these races except the three.
3. Two years of prep.
4. All races have all their resources.

PS: This thread is NOT universe vs universe... 1. I banned the very powerful characters from each race. 2. This match is really to see which race is the better planner, strategist and which one has the best tech than it is character vs character. 3. A universe vs universe match would end in a stalemate(i.e TOAA vs Presence) which is not the case for this match.

If there fighting under the yellow sun probably krypts. Asgardians have things like the Destroyer they could abuse, which would help them a lot. Don't know enough about the average eternals.

Well Eternals to a DEGREE(please to attack me CV) are kinda like Marvel's Krpts. You have many types of Eternals like the ones from Titan where Thanos is from and some like Marcus Milton(new Hyperion) who are very like Krpts. Titans are an OFF-shoot of Eternals. Anyways Eternals as a whole were humans during prehistoric time who were experimented on by Celestials. Hope I make sense.

Let's see, Loki with prep is a scary being, he can cast a spells that makes everyone 50% less powerful, amp characters to crazy level with prep ie like Bodolf who managed to go toe to toe with Thor but still lost, Human Enchantress who matched Wiccan 2 times, and Wiccan is one hella powerful reality warper and etc....., add to that ancient Asgardians weapons, help to prep from Thor and many others, and you get one crazy empowered army.

Kryptonians are gonna fall first, they are vulnerable to magic, and Asgardians are all about magic, Loki's wide spells alone seal the deal honestly.

The only problem are Eternals, because they are hard to kill, can manipulate matter and that Uni-Mind of theirs, but Asgardians with prep would still win against regular folks, But they had Thanos as well, so they would as well win, just get another item of night omnipotent power or create it by himself, like an army of Galactus-level beings, it is well within his prep capabilities to do so.

@king_stranglehold_da_first:

Well Eternals to a DEGREE(please to attack me CV) are kinda like Marvel's Krpts.

Not really, they are like New Gods, in fact prior to retcons they were LEGIT GODS, there were the off-shoot of greek gods, but it was retconned.

You have many types of Eternals like the ones from Titan where Thanos is

Thanos is not a regular Eternal, he was a mutant among his kind (with an x-gene XD), plus he doesn't really classify as an Eternal anymore, he is now a legit God, just like Thor and Odin and etc...

from and some like Marcus Milton(new Hyperion) who are very like Krpts.

Well, he developed his powers in art of physical attributes, just like Ikaris, but unlike Ikaris he didn't develop TP, TK, Atomic Manipulation and etc...

Honestly they should have all chosen to develop their powers in art of atomic manipulation like Sersi, and if they were smart they could use their atomic warping powers like Plutonian, and give them insane physical stats and much more.

Titans are an OFF-shoot of Eternals.

True.

But you know originally All Eternals were off-shoot of Greek Gods, heh....sad retcons.

Going with Asgardians or Eternals.

IMO Eternals should win quite comfortably, they have Thanos and 2 years of prep, Thanos can just create an army of Galactus-level beings like Omega, who was twice as powerful as Galan.

With 2 years of prep Loki should win this for the asgardians.

Eternals

I'd give it to the Kryptonians tbh, because pound for pound, they are the physically most powerful group here... assuming this is under a yellow sun and this is what a bunch of their diplomats did with almost no effort:

What I could say is against them is the breath of powers and technology the New Gods and Eternals might bring to the table even if they can't all push moons out of orbit.

The ones lucking out is the Asgardians, because they only have a handful of characters that can stand up to the Kryptonians.

Comes down to prep, however Highfather is still a big threat at large as is the Destroyer Armour etc.

@lord_spectrum:

Not really, they are like New Gods, in fact prior to retcons they were LEGIT GODS, there were the off-shoot of greek gods, but it was retconned.

WOW... This is interesting I never knew this about the Eternals.

Thanos is not a regular Eternal, he was a mutant among his kind (with an x-gene XD), plus he doesn't really classify as an Eternal anymore, he is now a legit God, just like Thor and Odin and etc...

Well, I personally consider Thanos an Eternal since people from Titan are considered Eternals. Anyways, Thanos is not in this match tho.

Well, he developed his powers in art of physical attributes, just like Ikaris, but unlike Ikaris he didn't develop TP, TK, Atomic Manipulation and etc...

Honestly they should have all chosen to develop their powers in art of atomic manipulation like Sersi, and if they were smart they could use their atomic warping powers like Plutonian, and give them insane physical stats and much more.

Interesting.

@lord_spectrum: True enough.

@outside_85: Not all Kryptonians have the same level of power or skill or experience. Thus, it's hard to gauge how powerful they will be against all other races.

ETERNALS easily!!

No arguments for New Gods? Don't they have some insane resources that would be great for prep?

Anyone else?

Thats true, which is why I included the scan of Doomsday.

Asgardians

Asgardians

Except, he is not, not even close. For all his hype, he has no feats to say he can beat Thor, let alone be as much as of a threat as Destroyer. While his staff is connected to The Source, the feats he accomplished so far are rather unimpressive.

And as i tell people time and time again one powerful powersource doesn't make character powerful, but the skill he has using it, otherwise OF Thor (Post-Ragnarok) would be galaxy-level threat, but he is not, not even close to that. Even Phoenix Jean was Firelord and Magneto level when she first harnessed the phoenix force.

@king_stranglehold_da_first:

WOW... This is interesting I never knew this about the Eternals.

Well, but it was WAY back in classic days. A lot of stuff has been retconned since then as yo know.

But even in that pre-retcon era, Thanos was a mutant demigod (specifically was called as such), as well as it was stated that Eternals. while being off-shoots of Olympian Gods, are more evolved/superior race.

This is but one scan recaping all of that in simple terms (too lazy to find and post all of them).

Well, I personally consider Thanos an Eternal since people from Titan are considered Eternals.

Well, in a way yes, he started out as Eternal, which in early days meant just another word for Olympian Gods, but even with all retcons happening, he was still been called a god, and ranked among the likes of Odin, Thor and Galactus, i guess the retcons didn't affect it at all.

Anyways, Thanos is not in this match tho.

The OP says otherwise, plus Eternals don't really need Thanos since they have Mentor (Thanos' dad), who by Thanos' own admission is SUPERIOR to him when it comes to science, which is even worse for Asgardians and New Gods.

Being physically most powerful doesn't mean much when you have characters of decent HAX among other races, like all Eternals have Telepathy, literally all of them, Thanos, Sersi and etc... (Kryptonians get TP'd in short) and ability to manipulate atoms and subatomic particles (disintegration) and even reality (warped out of existence), basically if you are level 5 like Sprite and Sersi you are reality warper, level 4 like Zuras you are decent high-end subatomic manipulator (who is equal to Zeus pure power wise), and level 2 for Thanos and etc...

And that's not mentioning prep from Thanos and Mentor, as well as Uni-Mind.

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New Gods on the other hand have Lighray who can manipulate solar energy as well as other forms of energy, he even managed to manipulate Orion's Astro Force, it wouldn't take that much thought time to process what would happen if they face Lightray, they would get drained and depowered.

New Gods also have Infinity Man, who has Infini-Beams, which upon contanct make the opponent lose all his/her stored energy, thus Kryptonians once again get depowered, IM has also stalemated Gog and handilly tanked his blast, you know the Gog that can one-shot dozens of KC Supermen, on top of that like Eternals, he has ability to manipulate atoms, thus disintegration for poor Kryptonians.

And that's just 2 of them, and then you have characters like Takion and Yuga Khan, who are reality warpers on planetary scale (just warp Kryptonians into oblivion) and other New Gods with some form of HAX one way or another, and on top of that their prep would be ridiculous as well, i mean Apokolips is literally a weaponized planet, that's a lot to deal with, without mentioning the other perks of New Gods' prep.

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And now here come Asgardians, who are the worse match up for Kryptonians, due to insane magical weapons and capabilities of Asgardians. I'll start with Loki because he is the main HAX and PREP guy of Asgardians, the list of his capabilities include telepathy (once again Kryptonians get TP'd), power enhancment (making people twice as powerful), power negatment (making people 50% less powerful it worked on Thor), atomic manipulation like turning people into frogs, turning an entire city into a candy, turning cloud into dragons, turning Borr, father of Odin, into snow and then reviving him or even some fu**** up sh** like this. His also had given a portion of his power to Sylvie Enchantress who stalemated Wiccan on 2 occasions, and Wiccan is one powerful reality warper rivalling insane Scarlet Witch, and on his own has some crazy reality warping feats as well.

He can also create magical force fields, which Kryptonians can't break due to its nature being magical, as it was revealed in Amazons Attack event, that the likes of Superman can't even scratch magic force fields, due to their magical nature.

Then currently God of Stories Loki is now a legit reality warper who can't be killed by physical or energy attacks he even tanked a blast from TWSAITS, who are above Odin, but anyways his warping powers work the way that makes him the narrator of a comic book, it allowed him to warp and contain the entire dimension of Asgard (which some people argue to be a legit universe) and the people in it, including Hela, Odin and many others.

He also had minor warping feats in Vote Loki.

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And in Doctor Strange, in which he warps a bar.

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With prep, Loki has managed to capture Abstract Death, has created a potion that made Bodolf strong enough to fight Thor, but he lost after a tough fight and etc.... in simple terms, he can make Asgardian army as physically powerful as Kryptonians if not more, and give them bunch of crazy abilities, as well as depower Kryptonians, he can literally take them all out with one wide spell that either depowers them or warps them out of existence and that's not getting into whole weaponary of Asgard including the Destroyer and etc...

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In short, Kryptonians are gonna lose, and they are gonna lose hard to any of those advanced god races.

@outside_85:

Well, Thanos isn't here, neither is Odin or Darkseid.

Have you actually read the OP? It literally says that it includes Thanos, plus Eternals have Mentor, who is >>>> Thanos when it comes to science. Mentor has also created a body for the original Drax, you know the one that was ripping stars in half, something beyond the likes of Superman.

So whatever they could contribute to the fight is irrelevant.

Oh really? Lol, so TP'ing them, disintegrating them, creating devices of nigh-omnipotent power is irrelevant? Their Uni-Mind even managed to go toe to toe with one of the most powerful Celestials ie Dreaming Celestial for a short period of time.

Also, while I admit those powers of the Eternals are great... they are generally nowhere as fast as the Kryptonians are capable of being.

The only really fast Kryptonians are Kara, Clark, Prime, H'el, the others don't even have Mach 500 feats.

Plus Eternals have Makkari, who is leagues above them in speed.

So yeah they might be able to do what you say... if they dont get run into the ground beforehand.

Kara and Clark alone can't do that. Plus you can't kill Eternals without destroying their atoms, that's how their biology works, if enough amount of atoms left alive they would just regenerate. Plus they can't do anything to someone like Zuras, who is equal to Zeus and stalemated him in battle, the guy would whoop them by himself if he wants to.

Considering how long Lightray and Superman have been running into one another and how little effect he appears to have overall with his powers,

Just because Plot Induces Stupidity limited Lightray doesn't mean we should or that he can't do that to any Kryptonian, in fact he never tried using that power against Superman. Plus Lighray is faster than Superman by a large margin, which is a huge factor for him. And let's be real here, speed is least needed factor in this battle, PREP is what gonna decide who is gonna win, and given that Eternals have Thanos and Mentor, they stomp hard.

I wouldn't count on him as a catch all solution, also he is just one guy who's able to do this.

Except Infinity Man can do that as well. As well as Mother Boxes can redirect energies, and every New God has a Mother Box.

I dont honestly know if he can drain enough Kryptonians before one gets through and lamps him one.

Except Lightray is faster than known Kryptonians like Clark, other kryptonians don't have feast to put them above mach 500.

Plus he has insane durability, the guy tanks beating from Orion without that much trouble.

That is true, but again, still only one being, still has to also deal with the Asgardians and the Eternals, just like the Kryptonians.

True, but i was specifically reffering to Kryptonians.

I am not sure, but I dont think Yuga Khan should really count as a New God anymore than Doomsday qualifies as a Kryptonian considering how he more often than not is above and beyond every other New God,

They both count, unless OP specified it, he didn't, thus yes they count.

not to mention his most frequent state is more dead than disco.

Yuga is not dead, he is trapped in the Source.

Plus if the NG get Yuga Khan... do the Asgardians then get Bor and Cul? Do the Kryptonians get Doomsday or Superman/boy Prime?

Borr is dead, thus no. Don't know about Cul.

I thought Kryptonians got Prime and Doomsday.

Again, its just one guy vs an army that can break his brother in half.

Except, this guy can't be beaten by any of them, no matter what they try, physical and energy attacks are useless agaisnt him, and he can take them all out with one wide spell.

Big difference in what Loki does and what Circe does.

Yes, big difference, Loki is way more powerful than Circe. Plus Batman specifically stated that it was because of magical nature of forcefield that Superman couldn't break it, thus it doesn't matter who creates them as long as it is magical.

Plus on top of it all Loki's supposed death (the most significant one atleast) came at the hands of a Superman-ripoff... if it was so easy for Loki to handle these kinds of beings, why doesn't he?

Oh look an out of context statement, Loki died because he PLANNED it and WANTED to die, so that he could be reborn and change his nature from God of Chaos into more stable state so that he won't be evil anymore, plus the said Superman-rip off stomped Molecule Man, rekt Thor and entire Asgard, busted planets while holding back, was stated that he stalemated Galactus and etc...

On top of that in Young Avengers it was revealed that Loki loses most of the time because he subconsiously warps reality to lose, thus explaining how he loses to someone like Thor.

I would imagine that for this, we are not using special versions of the characters thats still appearing... it's not ALE Scott Free, it's not RK Thor or Superman One Million.

It is not a specific version like RKT or One Million, it is CURRENT VERSION, plus GoS Loki is WORTHY Loki, he has same worthiness enchantment put on him just like Thor's Mjolnir both casted by Odin, to simlify it all he was unworthy and was trying to become worthy and erase his evil acts from the past so that those stories won't chain him into the evil side and then Odin told him that he has to try to become worthy of his own power instead of Thor's, and thus in the he did, and given it was pernament change and he is that way till now, thus it does count, just like Worthy version of Thor counts.

Plus Loki constantly mentions that his status has changed, he told Sorceres in current Doctor Strange issue that he is God of Myths and Legends (just another words for Stories), in Vote Loki he also explains that he is not God of Chaos anymore, but God of Stories.

He can, question is with this amount of time on his hands to do so... will he?

2 years are enough to do so, he has done all those feats in pretty much less than week, the Bodolf feat took him an hour to do actually. He just finds a specific mythical creature kills it and uses its blood for the spell that transforms regular humans to monsters with enough physical prowress to give Thor pain.

Not only that Current Loki might get a new prep feats, like getting Infinity Gauntlet, and all the mystic power of the universe, but ignoring this one for obvious reasons.

I am only asking because it's not in Loki's character to remain onboard an on point with something like this, he's going to work it into something thats chiefly to his advantage, that will mean he will ofc play to win, but he is not likely to put more into it than just enough that he feels comfortable... which is normally just not quite enough.

Yes, he would do that, Loki is not gonna play an idiot here, nor is he gonna be restrained by his subconsious want to lose. Plus if we assume that Loki wouldn't use the prep to its fullest, which is illogical by any means. even with small amount of prep, there is still Detroyer and Asgard's entire weaponary, plus his own powers are more than enough to wreck Kryptonians, just a dimension sized spell and depower them.

With two years of prep... I think you underestimate the capabilities of Krypton. You get Superman, Supergirl, Superboy, He'l, Zod, Jor-El, and potentially in addition to the actual Kryptonians, you get an army of Eradicators and the ability to send most of the enemy forces into the Phantom Zone.

I don't, they are the least impressive race when it comes to HAX and PREP.

All those characters are powerful but useless if they get Magic'd by Loki, Drained and depowered by Lightray or Infinity Man. They have raw power but lack HAX. Plus all of them are no match for Yuga Khan nor Takion.

Phantom Zone? Really? You do realize that a lot of these characters have ability to teleport through dimensions which even includes Thor and have devices to do so (ie Mother Boxes).

New gods.

Wait what, Highfather is not banned?

Then win the New God's handily.

@lord_spectrum:

Good post. But again Thanos is not in the fight neither is Odin or Darkseid. I created the OP and it says that. When I said this, "They include people like Thanos, Hyperion, Sersi, etc." I was giving an example WHO the Eternals are since they are NOT as well known as the other 3 races.

Anyways good debate yall having.

Thanks. :)

I see, but why need Thanos, when you have his superior in form of Mentor, big papa gonna solve all the problems. XD

Also Darkseid wouldn't really change that much here, he is not really science prep type guy, he is cunning manipulator with abilities rivalling Superman, in short he would be good as a general and motivator, but other than that he falls short.

@lord_spectrum: Highfather is on par with Darksied that is powerful to say the least.

Highfather is also banned. Not trying to be picky but point of this match is that I want to see how the AVERAGE people of these races do in a war. :)

How strong is the average eternal? Don't they all have a unique ability like Eros and Hyperion?

better at science but almost entirely benevolent and hasnt shown much in the ways of offense via scientific means.

Anyways, Thanos is not in this match tho.

The OP says otherwise, plus Eternals don't really need Thanos since they have Mentor (Thanos' dad), who by Thanos' own admission is SUPERIOR to him when it comes to science, which is even worse for Asgardians and New Gods.

New Gods and Eternals were both made by Jack Kirby. The Eternals are pretty much Marvels New Gods in that regard. Eternals also exist on both Earth and Titan. Eternals generally have the same base-line stats and then powers specific to each one. Kryptonians all have the same abilities, just none on the levels of Supes because he has the most exposure to yellow solar rays.

Asgardians beat Kryptonians cause, well, Magic. New Gods seemingly have advantage, but realize they were all screwed the moment Eternals were given prep.

Ehhh.....not really that's just the same ballpark of power as Superman, plus that kind of power is not really impressive especially when compared to HAX characters like Sprite, Sersi, Loki, Zuras, Yuga Khan and etc.....he wouldn't fair better than Superman, H'el, Prime against those kind of people.

How would the Uni Mind come into effect here?

Also I would go with New Gods prep wise.

IIRC, they have the capability to launch planetoids at people, and star-busting ships. As well as technology that would probably give them the edge here at least in the tech department. That and the fact that the New Gods could BOOMtube anywhere and anytime if they saw fit.

But I'm sure the Asgardians something crazy up their sleeve as well so I may end changing my mind.

Isnt this basically a universe-vs-universe type battle? @jashro44@jedixman

Not really. It looks like this thread involves specific races from marvel and DC rather than marvel vs DC.

Eternals or Asgardians

@lord_spectrum:

Wait what? when where and how?

Kryptonians or asgardians win this

I see, this is gonna take some time, it all starts with pre-retcon era, back when Eternals were actually legit gods, who were the off-shoot of Greek Gods, but the retcons changed that Eternals are not gods but genetically altered humanoids created by Celestials.

But it didn't seem to affect Thanos at all, he was always classified as a God, Clyde Winchman/Marquis of Death classified him a god alongside others just to name one example. There are many other examples showing the same.

Kryptonians got this in the bag.

@willpayton:

This is no where close to universe vs universe. Read the OP again.

@lord_spectrum said:

@neonazi said:

@lord_spectrum:

Wait what? when where and how?

I see, this is gonna take some time, it all starts with pre-retcon era, back when Eternals were actually legit gods, who were the off-shoot of Greek Gods, but the retcons changed that Eternals are not gods but genetically altered humanoids created by Celestials.

But it didn't seem to affect Thanos at all, he was always classified as a God, Clyde Winchman/Marquis of Death classified him a god alongside others just to name one example. There are many other examples showing the same.

Whos the guy talking the picture?

I think i already said it. It was Clyde Wynchman, a very powerful reality warper.

@lord_spectrum: Current Superman is not in the same Ballpark as Highfather, he's planet buster atleast, but Prep plays the biggest part IMO.

They are in the same ballkpark and that was always case (except Pre-Crisis), Highfather NEVER busted a planet actually, he only damaged a surface of a moon sized planet in a fight with Darkseid.

As for prep, yes it plays the biggest part, but Highfather is not the prep type of guy really.