Tonari is planet level and Naruto beat him with his multi planet level rasengan. Weaker version of Naruto can beat planet+ level characters easily.
Then there was kaguya who was going to destroy the dimension which has moon and sun so she should be at least solar system level. Also the fact that kaguya was fodder to isshiki .
Baryon naruto scales above isshiki, so naruto should be at least galaxy level.
Naruto easily solos everyone here.
Last I checked, none of these anime characters (except for probably Saitama) can even take on Raditz and regularly win. How are they beating 1 Superman? You can forget about this trio defeating 3 Supermen.
While i believe that those other two can beat Raditz as well, Raditz has no anti feats, while Superman on other hand very much does, very embarrassing ones at that:
This is a logical fallacy, as you leave out his higher end durability feats. If he was more consistent with anti feats your argument would be valid. You’re also leaving out the fact that most of these anti feats are PIS.
You would never see DBZ guys like Frieza struggling with something like this. New 52 Superman is the weakest character here, he is only relativistic in combat and multi-continental without much hax resistance, he would get stomped by either Naruto or Ichigo, PC one would get beat by the duo of Adult Naruto and Saitama rather handily, but KC one can carry his team here, but it is by no means stomp.
I agree with the bolded part though.
@eredin12: Comicbook characters and especially Superman being inconsistent with variable power levels is nothing new. In some stories, Superman can be killed by nuclear warheads. In other stories, Superman can destroy multiverses and survive black holes and supernovas.
Also, if you seriously think Dragon Ball is any more consistent than DC Comics then LOL is all I have to say to you. Don't make me post all the times Goku jobbed hard like being almost killed by a laser, or getting hurt by a rock while in Super Saiyan, or being almost killed by a mere virus, or barely being able to lift 40 tons even in Super Saiyan while his younger form had better feats than that.
PC Superman never destroyed the multiverse, he never tanked Supernova, and he only held Brainiac teach that contained black hole.
I however do agree that we should use consistent feats, but for PC Superman, that is moon+ level and low FTL speed, nothing more.
I mean DB more consistent, a lot of what you mentioned has a context that explains it, unlike with Superman's anti feats, for example with laser, Goku was surpassed, reason Goku is superhuman in the first place is ki, ki amping his stats, he is not naturally strong, so if he is extremely suppressed, which he was there, he can get hurt by things like that, so that is not really anti feat. Neither is Virus anti feat, that just shows that he is vulnerable to that kind of virus.
Goku also never barely lifted 40 tons as SSJ, he easily did it on the planet with much stronger gravity than the earth, on a planet as big as the universe, on Heaven. But before DBS Goku did have some lifting strength anti feats that is true, but that does not really matter, since lifting strength is useless in a fight, Goku always focused on striking/AP, durability, speed, etc, things like that, things that matter.
I'm not sure about Post-Crisis Superman, but New 52 Superman has indeed destroyed multiverses and survived supernovas.
I don't disagree with the idea that most versions of Superman seems to have him at small planet level at best; I disagree with the notion that Naruto and Ichigo are even that powerful. I just haven't seen anything from either Naruto or Ichigo that puts them at Herald level fighters who can fight at FTL speeds. Saitama is the most powerful of the three anime characters and his best feat is knocking back a surface-wiping attack.
I don't feel like talking about Dragon Ball anymore since no DB character is a combatant in this thread, but the fact that Goku was on a different planet when he lifted 40 tons is irrelevant. He didn't get the block from Earth. King Kai spawned it and he knows the gravity of his own planet. Saying that 40 tons is greater than what the label said would be like stating that $100 USD bill is actually worth more than $100 because you can exchange it for more dollars in that in Canada or Australia. Location doesn't matter in this situation.
Tonari is planet level and Naruto beat him with his multi planet level rasengan. Weaker version of Naruto can beat planet+ level characters easily.
Then there was kaguya who was going to destroy the dimension which has moon and sun so she should be at least solar system level. Also the fact that kaguya was fodder to isshiki .
Baryon naruto scales above isshiki, so naruto should be at least galaxy level.
Naruto easily solos everyone here.
hahaha, ha, I agree.
Naruto solos.
@eredin12: Flashy Flash might be faster in combat than Jay, but in terms of reaction speeds, I would say that Jay’s reaction feats are above Flashy Flash’s combat ones. Jay’s reaction feats I think are already pretty close to being able to statue light, considering he’s able to have full conversations while light can only move a few feet. If something is only able to move a few feet while you’re having an entire conversation, it’s not statuing, but it’s relatively close.
Post Crisis Superman has a similar feat with Wonder Woman.
I think being able to move so fast that you’re imperceptible to a guy who’s reactions can almost statue light is better than just being able to statue light speed.
Any Superman statues them
What made people think they are remotely close in speed
Thoughts on this thread
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