H2H
Luke is depowered
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@amendment50: @black_arrow: @psy-scarlet: why is a stomp? Cage was a champion inside Seagate
@mexcomics2078: Fisk actually has feats IMO!!!
How exactly does beating featless prisoners with no specified training at Seagate (entirely in 1v1s at that) put Luke anywhere close to the league of someone who can give a fight to Daredevil? These two aren't comparable.
I mean....
If Luke is lucky, Fisk only cripples him. Fisk so much stronger and tougher that's it's not even funny. I think Luke's H2H skill gets underrated at times but his amateur boxing and Force Recon training isn't enough to help him in the slightest here. Keep in mind both Bullseye and Daredevil (even when he's injured) have much better feats than Luke. And Kingpin is more than a capable fighter to keep up and pressure either of them.
@dstreet45: I doubt Luke would just casually stand there and let Wilson pick him up like that. Bad choreography doesn’t mean good feats. Luke did fight near featless prisoners, but that goes the same for Frank Castle fighting the Russians in the gym. Both Luke and Frank held their own against muscular males above 6’3 with little to no effort. Luke wins bruh.
@theoneabovelife: The whole point of the gif was to show how outclassed Luke is physically. Fisk wss able to damage a brick wall just by slaming someone into it. Nobody Luke had faced before the Seagate experiment had anywhere near that level of strength. Grabbing Bullseye wasn't a product of bad choreography when taken in context of the entire fight but that's a different subject matter for another day.
Unless you can prove that any of those tall muscular men Luke had fought are capable of damaging brick walls with their bare hands, ragdoll a full grown man 15+ feet and could regularly tag/hit Daredevil (someone who is much faster and agile than Luke) then you don't really have much an argument to stand on. Hell pretty everyone Luke has fought in his 1 on 1 fights are the same cabiler of people that Matt defeats with ease despite usually taking them in groups, which is far better than what Luke was doing. Even then Matt still has a hard time beating Fisk.
Even your point with Frank is flawed because he actually had fought people with actual feats like Daredevil and Billy Russo. So Luke's situation isn't similar to Frank's when he beat featless fodder since Frank actially has feats against established fighters. Depowered Luke does not unless you count Shades who not only pales in comparison to Matt or Russo in CQC, but (with the help of Comanche) had nearly beaten Luke to death. Not very impressive.
So explain how Luke is going to beat someone who is not only far stronger than he is but can also fight on even ground with someone who has shown to be a far better fighter (Matt Murdock) than Luke is. It's unlikely that Luke can even do significant damage to him given that Matt had trouble doing so despite having far better striking feats (such as send grown men flying people with his punches and kicks, breaking a 2x4 with his arms, etc).
@dstreet45: Wilson still looses
^ LOL that's when you know you've spotted a fanboy because he has no arguments but still insists on his opinion.
Well broken down by the way, @dstreet45.
Fisk definitely wins here.
@gateofbabylon: I'm too lazy. And I'm not in the mood to argue over hypothetical battles about fictional characters winning in a fight. Don't mess with me you cyber bully.
Fisk stomps? :D :D You guys high or something? Luke Cage was a prison fighter, serial winner. Fisk is a bum, never been in a really fight except for smashing opponents that cannot defend or are too afraid to do so. Cage is probably stronger, faster, more skilled and more experienced at once. He takes 10/10.
@theoneabovelife: The whole point of the gif
The whole point of the gif was to show your delusion. This is tired Bullseye, he caught him in the back and broke him in the wall. There is absolutely nothing special about it and I didn't even read the rest of your post.
Only a Depowered Thor could beat MCU Kingpin in h2h.
What about Daredevil?
Fisk will murderstomp Luke. Kage depowered is just a semi strong black guy while The Kingpin is pretty much a superhuman. He fought both bullseye and daredevil, when bullseye was wearing DD armor. Punched a hole in a brick pillar with a bare fist, threw matt through a wall and when he wall-slammed Bullseye he was stabbed and injured, after which he still was able to take on DD.
I mean Fisk is just on a whole different level in these rules/terms.
@danieldaripper: Decent fight but Fisk smashes.
Fisk embarrasses Luke without his powers. All the latter had before he got his amp was a good reputation as a street fighter fighting prison bums and decent stats.
Which is nice and all, but Fisk is a bigger tank and his stupid strength allow him to dominate here. Maybe Luke can get in a decent offence on the outside, but once Fisk gets his hands on him, it's all but over.
@danieldaripper: Decent fight but Fisk smashes.
What do you make of their fight in S1 where Matt beats him?
@danieldaripper: Decent fight but Fisk smashes.
What do you make of their fight in S1 where Matt beats him?
Simple, he was fighting a man in a suit of armor. Of course he couldn't finish him.
@the_hajduk: But Dex was wearing the same armor as Matt yet Fisk still broke his spine.
@the_hajduk: But Dex was wearing the same armor as Matt yet Fisk still broke his spine.
Fisk wouldn't make the same mistake twice...
@the_hajduk: Yeah I guess it makes sense that Fisk most likely had gotten stronger in preparation to fighting Matt again.
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