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#1 Posted by digitaldemon (780 posts) - - Show Bio
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Scenario:

Nero was roaming throughout a large castle of some kind under the order of her master to scout the area out. It was pretty vacant, and pretty much no signs of life within it, however, it was still strange that the castle came out of nowhere. Nero proceeded forward until a black and red blur flew toward her. On Nero quickly blocks the attack as she noticed another servant. Karna, knowing that the other servant has seen him, jumped back as he gripped his weapon.

Karna and Nero questioned each other about the castle. Although, they came to an understanding that the castle wasn't their doing, but knowing that another servant is near and their masters are around. Both begin their fight.

Conditions:

  • End Game Nero with feats from the anime.
  • This Fate/Apocrypha Karna only with feats from the anime.
  • Both Nero and Karna are In-Character.
  • Both have access to their standard equipment.
  • No knowledge, or prep-time
  • Karna and Nero start out 12 meters apart.
  • Win by Death, K.O, or Incapacitate.
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#2 Posted by AvatarOfDeath (161 posts) - - Show Bio

From what I saw of the two anime I'm going with Karna since he seems to be a lot more powerful. It's tough to gauge though as the fights are more drawn out in Apocrypha versus Lost Encore.

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#3 Posted by Chaos239 (5081 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah...

Karna casually stomps.

Nero is a pretty mediocre Servant all things considered while Karna is shoulder to shoulder with the strongest Servants in the series.

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#4 Posted by maiamaku (1530 posts) - - Show Bio

Isn't karna a candidate for grand lancer? Plus I believe his armor negates something like 90% of all attacks. Not to take away from Empress Umu, but she's out of her league here.

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#5 Posted by digitaldemon (780 posts) - - Show Bio

@maiamaku said:

Isn't Karna a candidate for grand lancer? Plus I believe his armor negates something like 90% of all attacks. Not to take away from Empress Umu, but she's out of her league here.

What was this stated? I'm not against it, but I don't remember Karna being a candidate for Grand Lancer.

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#6 Posted by maiamaku (1530 posts) - - Show Bio

@digitaldemon: pretty sure it was in the type moon wiki. Said that with his uncrowned arms mastery, and just general absurd levels of skill and power, that he may be a candidate.

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#7 Edited by zgtfreak (730 posts) - - Show Bio

Fate/Extra is far more powerful than the rest of the Nasuverse. Extra Nero>>>>main timeline Nero. In the original video game, she defeated Gawain in a fair 1v1 and even defeated Buddha before he could activate his Noble Phantasm. Karna at full power still beats Extra Nero, but not extremely easily.

If it's CCC Mystic Code Nero, she casually blinks every Fate Servant in existence except the other CCC Mystic Code Servants.

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#8 Posted by AvatarOfDeath (161 posts) - - Show Bio

@zgtfreak: I don't know enough about the Extra universe because I only watched the anime, but what makes the Extra universe more powerful than the normal universe?

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#9 Posted by diydeath (2318 posts) - - Show Bio

@avatarofdeath: Lots of stuff but a majot one is formal mystic wear which makes the Servant massively FTL.

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#10 Posted by AvatarOfDeath (161 posts) - - Show Bio
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#11 Edited by zgtfreak (730 posts) - - Show Bio

@avatarofdeath: Mystic Code Servants go beyond multiverse level in CCC. CCC Mystic Code Gilgamesh and Moon Cell BB are the ones with the statements and feats, but the other Mystic Code Servants scale to them. They are also not MFTL, they are faster and above the concept of time, as BB exist in the past, present, and future, along with Gilgamesh moving in a higher dimensional timeless void that erases lower dimensional beings from existence. The Moon Cell (and Moon Cell BB) also have higher dimensions above Avalon even. Here's my CCC Gilgamesh respect thread. The reason I'm sending Gilgamesh's is because Nero gets Gilgamesh's same power-up, so she somewhat scales to him (though she is fodder to him when he gets serious). Moon Cell BB is way beyond multiversal and Nero gets to her level by obtaining the Earth Mother Goddess Mystic Code that Gilgamesh originally had, so she also scales to Moon Cell BB as well (who is also mentioned in that respect thread).

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#12 Edited by digitaldemon (780 posts) - - Show Bio

@zgtfreak: Forgot to be specific, but this only Fate/Extra and Fate/Extra Last Encore. Fate/Extra CCC, Extella, Fox Tail, and Extella Link are not being used.

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#13 Edited by zgtfreak (730 posts) - - Show Bio

@digitaldemon: I assumed as much, which was why my first comment was mainly focused on Extra only. Karna probably beats Extra Nero, but with some difficulty, as she is far more powerful than her main timeline self. I think this would be a lot closer if Karna didn't have his armor (as Nero could keep pressure on him as she did with Buddha so he can't use his Noble Phantasm), but the advantage is too huge with his armor. Karna is so powerful that he could solo all the Servants in the Moon Cell Holy Grail War except maybe Gawain with his Numeral of The Saint.