Neji Hyuga (Naruto) Vs Maki (Jujutsu Kaisen)

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"Flow Of Chakra.." (Neji Hyuga)

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I dont know anything about jujutsu kaisen if they can survive forest busting attacks then maybe this chick stands a chance versus the prodigy of the hyuga

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Haven't completed jujutsu kaisen anime, so I don't know her.

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Neji blitz and oneshots

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Neji stomps, outside of gojo, sukuna and couple of other JJK is a really weak verse.

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Neji stomps

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Need to see what the recently amped Maki can do with her new cursed tool Mai

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@manimalman: Labeling JJK as a "weak verse" is possibly the stupidest thing you can say, or calling a verse "weak" in general. A verse is only weak in comparison what it is being argued against. You cannot identify a verse as weak because they don't bust mountain's/planets whatever it is when neither of those tiers is the standard of what is known as a powerful verse.

That said, I feel like you're underselling Maki. Mind giving a general scaling of where you have Neji in speed and strength?

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@valuable: why are tagging me in this. I didn't say who wins, I just said she needed more feats with Mai

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#12  Edited By ManimalMan

@pics: in this case the verse their being compared against is naruto and there very weak. Even by most battle shounen stsndards. They can barely react to rubber bullets and a single digit ton feat like thrown a car is considered a top tier strength feat. They have great hax but maki is just stats.

Anyways neji is on par with sasuke and unweighted lee so low double digit mach. He's also got a fighting style that ignores conventional durability.

On top of that he's also got 360 degree vision and a pretty reliable defense move with his rotation.

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#13  Edited By crxckerkiid

As someone already said, excluding Gojo, Sukuna, Yuta and maybe like 2 others JJK is weak as hell, Neji oneshots Maki.

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@manimalman:

in this case the verse their being compared against is naruto and there very weak.

Like, no. This is being compared to Part 1 Naruto, so generally, the strength between JJK and Naruto at this point isn't remotely as large as you're portraying.

They can barely react to rubber bullets and a single digit ton feat like thrown a car is considered a top tier strength feat. They have great hax but maki is just stats.

What are you even talking about. In no scenario does Maki struggle against reacting to Mai's bullets, on top of that generalizing all of Mai's as rubber bullets is stupid when the one Maki reacted to was constructed by Mai's own Cursed Energy:

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Maki in no way shape or form struggled to catch it, even doing so from point-blank range. So not only did Maki catch a superior bullet, but she did so with ease from point-blank. Even worse, why are you acting as if this limits the verse when Maki is outright inferior to a vast majority to the characters? If you actually think they're that slow, I consider this thread that was made by@higherpower where JJK operates at a speed far beyond whatever downplay you're asserting.

a single digit ton feat like thrown a car is considered a top tier strength feat. They have great hax but maki is just stats.

Okay, this isn't what I wanted to do but if we're really doing this, Naruto has a plentiful amount of anti-feats, especially in Part 1 that discredits the tier that they can even be considered to a Special Grade. Anyways, no "throwing a car" was never considered a top-tier strength, it was merely seen as impressive because of 1. Having such lifting strength and treating it as if it's a baseball would be seen as impressive 2. Throwing a car at fast velocities that it would be more than potent would cause harm and 3. Despite these characters being City level/Planetary whatever level, multiple characters have poor lifting strength, and lifting such is considered impressive. Now to use your own logic against you, Sasuke considered Naruto doing this as impressive based on its visual destruction:

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While his Chidori was vastly inferior, merely making a small hole in the tank, so does that define its potency? Based on this logic it wouldn't even tickle Panda, who tanks attacks that have burnt multiple trees to a crisp, whom Maki scales too. Or worse, speed? It outright saying no amount of work can surpass the speed of sound in the world of Naruto, and clearly, that isn't right so limiting the world of JJK by feats that don't even make sense or says anything above other characters is as stupid as limiting the world of Naruto by the speed of sound or Sasuke's Chidori in Part 1 at not even wall level.

Anyways neji is on par with sasuke and unweighted lee so low double digit mach. He's also got a fighting style that ignores conventional durability.

Current Maki just blitzed and killed a special grade 1 level character, so undoubtedly a high-hypersonic character and Multi-City block levels of power to supplement that, because the lowest of Special Grades are depicted as needing Rapid Carpet Bombing to kill one, which consists of City block-level tier bombs, advocating Multi-City Block power. I am not arguing Maki wins, but as I expected, you are in fact underselling Maki.

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As someone already said, excluding Gojo, Sukuna, Yuta and maybe like 2 others JJK is weak as hell, Neji oneshots Maki.

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#16 higherpower  Moderator

“If we ignore all the powerful characters this verse is really weak” is not the genius take you think it is

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Probably Maki now given her recent shenanigans

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@higherpower: "all the powerful characters" we're talking about like 4 guys who are barely city level and most of the verse would canonically lose to a tank.

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#19 higherpower  Moderator

@manimalman: Every Special Grade level being is at least multi-city block+ and there are dozens, if we include all 16 Special Grade Curses + every Grade 1, Supreme Grade 1 and Special Grade Sorcerer who scale above the curses. In particular, Gojo, Sukuna, Yuta, Geto, Yuki, Toji, Mahoraga, Jogo—and the rest of the Natural Disaster Curses—Dagon, Hanami, and Mahito would all scale to city level based on several feats intermingled with their parity and relativity in power.

Stating most of the verse would canonically lose to a tank is such an embarrassing moment for you especially when it’s household characters boast ridiculous amounts of hax or versatility. Being “weak” is relative; JJK caps around city level for now which is weak in comparison to where Naruto eventually ends up, but the Naruto-verse is an ant compared to Toriko, and most Toriko characters are dwarfed in scale of sheer power of where Dragon Ball caps. So just please stop making a fool out of yourself over an irrational hate-boner for fictional characters that exist on a page.

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@higherpower: No shit the verse isn't objectively "weak," but it is when comparing it to Naruto characters which is exactly what this thread is doing. Also the amount of people you named vs the amount of people in the verse still validates the claim that "excluding a few characters it's a weak verse," so we're still right lmfao.

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#21 higherpower  Moderator

@crxckerkiid: Did it ever occur to you, at any point in time since entering this thread, that the topic is Maki vs Neji and not "JJK vs Naruto"? We're not comparing the JJK and Naruto verses as a whole, one being weaker than the other is completely irrelevant to the matter at hand. So no, it's not "exactly what this thread is doing".

Also the amount of people you named vs the amount of people in the verse still validates the claim that "excluding a few characters it's a weak verse," so we're still right lmfao.

Are you stupid? Like, medically speaking? You do realize that not every being in a fictional universe is a character in the story, and that not every character in the story is a combatant? Proportionally speaking, the amount of people I named in comparison to the amount of characters we've seen actually fight is a supermajority.

So once again, you're not right. In fact, you couldn't be more wrong. Next time don't parrot shitty and irrelevant opinions because then you all look like idiots ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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#22 higherpower  Moderator

OT: It's a close call but Maki should win now. We'll be able to verify her power in coming chapters, but any kind of close proximity to Toji's level should place her stats relative if not superior to Neji's, and Playful Cloud would just seal the deal. Same with Mai's sword.

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Maki should edge this.

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Neji, and the people saying being hypersonic and durable is supposed to help Maki, but seriously unless her speed can compete with Lee she's dying, plus Nejis attacks (the hyugas jyuken) ignores durability

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Neji's attacks "ignoring durability" only works in verse as it operates on manipulating the flow of chakra in one's body to cause organ failure and or damage with it is completely irrelevant to the JJK Verse as a whole. There's no equivalent biological system to capitalize on.

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@demoo: chakra paths are based on real world pressure points.

Also chakra is just naturally occurring energy that even tree's emit.

There's no reason to believe gentle fist would be ineffective against non naruto character

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@zuriel-el: Lee's part 1 speed is just visually impressive. Nothing he does implies it's out of Maki's speed range.

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@killianduclark: lee is fast enough to outspeed gaara's sand that is fast enough to block explosions, temari can attack faster than tayuya's sound waves, sasuke dodge a supersonic attack while carrying 2 people. Neji scales to all of that.

Meanwhile one of the fastest and deadliest attacks in all of JJK(piercing blood) is only transonic. For now maki's best speed feat is still catching her sisters bullets. Most handguns have a subsonic muzzle velocity and get slower the further they go, plus they were rubber bullets which are even slower than that.

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LMFAOOOO

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You actually can't be serious.

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#32  Edited By ManimalMan

@decaffeinated: lol how? The stats of most characters in JJK(maki included at least till we see more of her power up) are legit not that impressive. Its a great series but people are overhyping their feats.

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@manimalman:

The fastest feat you posted for the naruto side was blocking explosions which can be high balled to mach 3-4. It was done fairly casually so let's say Gaara going all out can react to stuff at say mach 15+ speeds.

That's still slower than Maki's casual speed feat

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:USklaverei/Maki_reacts_to_bullet

Which can be calced to mach 27.

Meaning solidly hypersonic and far above transonic.

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#34  Edited By Demoo

@killianduclark: Thats an appeal to reality and that doesn't mean it would operate as such in any other verse. We know how chakra flows and where it comes from in Naruto and its rooted in their biology. Its not going to work in any other instance that have a simularly functioning biologic system to flow their energy as per Naruto since that how it operates.

Senjutsu is naturally occurring yes. Normal "chakra" is not. It comes from the 10 Tails (Kaguya)

It is for the reasons stated above.

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@manimalman: Maki is several times faster now than she was pre Mai's death. This is impressive because she can catch a bullet 5cm from her face that's a millisecond reaction feat, now imagine that multiplied a few times.

She's easily fast enough to contend with Neji if she's not flat out faster than him, and she's physically strong enough to one shot a grade 1 shaman... If you remember Megumi a grade 2 at the time was sent flying through buildings over and over again and was able to continue fighting Maki ONE tapped someone above that by a decent margin.

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@decaffeinated: @killianduclark:

FYI guys, it was a rubber bullet correct? Rubber bullets shot from rifles move at 60m/s, from a pistol it would be even slower.

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@manimalman: And to add being thrown through buildings is just the DC the AP is much higher. The weakest Special Grade Curse can survive rapid carpet bombing as stated by the Manga and a Grade 1 Shaman is required to fight and beat the weakest Special Grade Curses so she one tapped someone who's bare minimum MCB+.

That's the lowest end for Special Grade someone like Sukuna or Gojo are obviously MUCH higher than that.

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#38  Edited By ManimalMan

@killianduclark: there are calcs on vs battles wiki that still put neji at faster than that. Vs battle wiki has gaara's sand at mach 29 for a feat he performed as a 5 year old.

This calc also has a couple big problems. The average handgun muzzle velocity is 300m/s not 445m/s.

Bullets also lose a lot of speed as they travel so by the time its that close to maki its already much slower, rubber bullets as well (there no reason to assume the bullet she created wasn't also rubber) slower which is a big part of why they're less lethal.

Nevermind that catching a bullet is more of a reaction feat that a traditional speed feat. She's moving her arms but not her entire body like with lee and sasuke outspeeding gaara's sand.

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You can tell by how they look and sound it's not rubber, please provide evidence that they are though because I could be wrong.

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@manimalman:

Bullets also lose a lot of speed as they travel so by the time its that close to maki its already much slower,

As expected, you've claimed the unreasonable to further disregard of Maki's feat with logic that simply does not apply. Yes, bullets do lose speed after transversing several meters. Maki and Mai were not several metersfor this to be applied, so your argument goes down the drain.

(there no reason to assume the bullet she created wasn't also rubber)

No, there is EVERY reason to assume what she created accelerated faster than a Rubber Bullet when the enhancement of Cursed Energy is being applied to an object. In essence, just like the manipulation of blood can be converted into enhancement that moves to that of the speed of sound:

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In essence, Mai's bullets are completely formed by the use of Cursed Energy and not merely used to take the shape or form of an object, when by literal reason, it would be enhanced as well when anything in possession of cursed energy is to follow that logic. Shown by a plentiful of characters.

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@infinitemass: they aren't rubber. Especially the one up for debate. Mai creates it out of cursed energy.

We see the regular one's she fires also cause wood to splinter

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You can tell by how they look and sound it's not rubber, please provide evidence that they are though because I could be wrong.

Sure

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@manimalman:

A. It's not a rubber bullet

B. It's a cursed energy bullet and it's implied to be enhanced and be superior to regular revolver bullets.

C. My point of contention isn't being addressed.

Even if you amend the maths Maki's feat isn't Tran sonic

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@manimalman: That's not the bullet in question and the two post above your post adress this so I won't waste any time on that.

What are your counters for the AP argument?

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#45  Edited By ManimalMan

@killianduclark:

A. they're not allowed to kill eachother which is she's using rubber bullets. Naturally, since she can create real objects from curse energy why would should not just make another rubber bullet?

B. doesnt matter. They whole point of rubber bullets is that they're slower and less lethal. Choso, a special grade curse can only enhance his attack to the speed of sound and he needs to charge up for it.

C. My point was that the bullets were transonic( slower tbh) and maki still was only narrowly dodging them. Yuji who's superior to her could barely deal with transonic piercing blood. Compared to neji who is as fast as guys who can outrun explosions.

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@infinitemass: they aren't rubber. Especially the one up for debate. Mai creates it out of cursed energy.

We see the regular one's she fires also cause wood to splinter

Rubber bullets can cause wood to splinter

And why would she use a real bullet when they weren't allowed to kill each other

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#47  Edited By KillianDuclark

@manimalman:

A. How is the bullet in question rubber? They flat out say is made off cursed energy and it's obvious that Mai is blood lusted.

B. It's not a rubber bullet. There fore it's not slower. And @Pics already explained how bullets decrease in speed depending on distance. Which in both the anime and manga isn't great enough for it to matter

C. Tran sonic = 307 m/s.

Muzzle velocities on high end small fire arms 370 m/s

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muzzle_velocity#:~:text=Firearm%20muzzle%20velocities%20range%20from,220%20Swift%20and%20.

The bullet in question is already faster than Tran sonic

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@pics said:

No, there is EVERY reason to assume what she created accelerated faster than a Rubber Bullet when the enhancement of Cursed Energy is being applied to an object. In essence, just like the manipulation of blood can be converted into enhancement that moves to that of the speed of sound:

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In essence, Mai's bullets are completely formed by the use of Cursed Energy and not merely used to take the shape or form of an object, when by literal reason, it would be enhanced as well when anything in possession of cursed energy is to follow that logic. Shown by a plentiful of characters.

Bullets aren't the biggest determining factor for a bullets speed, it's the gun first and foremost.

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@infinitemass: Bullets are the determining factor of which the gun would accelerate said bullet when fired, and as I made so perfectly standout, the bullet from Mai was the construction of Cursed Energy, not a normal rubber bullet. If things by cursed energy can be reinforced to greater things than what it is originally intended to be, then by all means, it would be unreasonable to consider natural. The result being so limiting that it can only be used one time in a day, it's implied to be powerful, and a last resort clearly.

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@manimalman:

A. How is the bullet in question rubber? They flat out say is made off cursed energy and it's obvious that Mai is blood lusted.

Mai wasn't blood lusted, they weren't aloud to kill each other, and her rubber bullets are also made from her cursed energy

Muzzle velocities on high end small fire arms 370 m/s

I would say mostly rifles are 370 m/s and up

I have never shot a handgun above a .22 that exceeds 310 m/s

Considering it's a 44. or a 38 special, I don't think it's 370 m/s

Not even counting that it's rubber