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#1 Edited by Gilateen (3469 posts) - - Show Bio

•Alveraz War arc Natsu

•TYBW Arc Grimmjow

•Location: Destroyed Magnolia

•Speed Equal

•Win by DEATH

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#2 Posted by Lordflawlez (1288 posts) - - Show Bio

Natsu wins

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#3 Edited by SkySanji (4582 posts) - - Show Bio

Natsu since Speed is equalized

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#4 Posted by TheBalance (663 posts) - - Show Bio

Which Grimmjow is this? Depending on which arc, he may either stomp horribly or walk away from the insect

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#5 Posted by ValorKnight (12221 posts) - - Show Bio

Grimmjow should stomp.

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#6 Posted by Eobard21 (4647 posts) - - Show Bio

Natsu stomps

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#7 Posted by ValorKnight (12221 posts) - - Show Bio

@eobard21 said:

Natsu stomps

How? If you can find any consistent feats that put him on the level of someone like Grimmjow, then you might not be reading Fairy Tail.

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#8 Posted by deactivated-5c60dc252a2af (5801 posts) - - Show Bio

Grimmjow stomps unless plot armor nakama bullshit is allowed... in which case, Grimmjow still wins coz fuck Fairy Tail

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#9 Posted by Gilateen (3469 posts) - - Show Bio
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#10 Edited by TheBalance (663 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: Grimmjow's potency is waaay too high for Natsu. I can't say how high it is though because SkySanji is gonna make a reference about me.

40+ planetary Bleach characters, he's gonna make that stick for a while.

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#11 Posted by Eobard21 (4647 posts) - - Show Bio

@valorknight: I thought it was the grimmjow that ichigo fought in thé arrancar arc

War arc grimmjow wins

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#13 Posted by ValorKnight (12221 posts) - - Show Bio
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#14 Posted by AlexTheBoss (16978 posts) - - Show Bio

@b_r023: @eobard21: @valorknight:

You guys realize Natsu one shot a guy with better feats than Grimmjow right?

that circle in the bottom left is a town.
that circle in the bottom left is a town.

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#15 Posted by FaradaySloth (8496 posts) - - Show Bio

@b_r023 said:

Grimmjow stomps unless plot armor nakama bullshit is allowed... in which case, Grimmjow still wins coz fuck Fairy Tail

All of this. Especially the last part.

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#16 Posted by Eobard21 (4647 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss: The problem for natsu is the difference in speed, he might be stronger but idk if he can tag him

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#17 Posted by ValorKnight (12221 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss: Natsu one-shot someone with no durability feats to speak of, so I don't see how that helps.

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#18 Edited by CoituNats (68 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss:

You're absolutely right, even that natsu who one-shotted the war god (long before he got END and/or 7DS mode) is already much too strong (and even more so much too fast) , so he would stomp grimmjow.

in this forum you've gotta be prepared for some of the most hilarious downplay (== ignoring) of Natsu's feats I've ever seen, however , 9 out of 10 people here do not even have the slightest idea of what Fairy Tail god tier characters like natsu are capable of.

like for example this one:

@valor_knight: "Natsu one-shot someone with no durability feats to speak of, so I don't see how that helps."

yeah, of course someone like that war god who was as tall as a mountain (and thus certainly also had a MASS comparable to that of a mountain) still isn't good enough evidence for him having (at least) mountain level durability. you also ignored the fact that the war god cut the whole (easily island-sized) landscape in half with only one swing of his sword, which is such a tremendous strength feat that I'm 100% confident you aren't gonna find scans like that for ANY of the Espada, and much less so for Grimmjow. Yet Natsu still one-shotted that war god.

Also, luckily for Grimmjow, speed is equalized here, because otherwise FTL+ (up to 9 times faster than light, according to calculations I've seen by experts who are good at maths) Natsu would just blitz Grimmjow like anybody else from the Bleach-verse (yeah, FT >> Bleach in terms of speed, that's just a fact).

EoS Natsu of the original manga (the one who got buffed by all the other dragon slayers and took down 4D Post-RoT Acnologia - or also END natsu would be good enough) is actually so powerful that he could easily solo-stomp the whole bleach-verse by himself .

However powerful Grimmjow may be in the Bleach-verse , in the FT-verse he'd be heavily outmatched even by mid-tier characters like e.g. Gajeel , Mirajane, Juvia or Sting Eucliffe.

Only posting my opinion here, based on everything I know & remember about Fairy Tail .

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#19 Posted by SkySanji (4582 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow the Fairy Tail wank

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#20 Posted by ValorKnight (12221 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji said:

Wow the Fairy Tail wank

No joke.

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#21 Posted by WhatamIseeing (1603 posts) - - Show Bio

what do you guys think of this http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:DemonGodMitchAubin/Irene%27s_Deus_Sema_Redone#Erza.27s_Speed?comments_page=1

they say natsu is sub relativistic

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#22 Posted by ourmanuel (10516 posts) - - Show Bio
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#23 Edited by UltimateSage (2023 posts) - - Show Bio

Didn't know fairy tail could be wanked this much.

Natsu solo stomping the bleachverse and being FTL+ is amazing wank.

Stop wanking my dude!!

OT: since speed is equalized, I say grimmjow 7/10 high diff

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#24 Posted by WhatamIseeing (1603 posts) - - Show Bio

@ourmanuel: how is it a problem, what does a calc have to do with me

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#25 Posted by FlashingSabre (3823 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh shit, I can be the one defending the FT stomp here!

Grimmjow solos the verse with ease.

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#26 Edited by zxc6 (528 posts) - - Show Bio

Pretty sure that this feat of Natsu is above everything Grimmjow ever show

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#27 Posted by ourmanuel (10516 posts) - - Show Bio

@whatamiseeing: I meant vsbattles are known for wanking characters so take it with a grain of salt.

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#28 Posted by Jko1 (3001 posts) - - Show Bio

Natsu

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#29 Posted by CoituNats (68 posts) - - Show Bio

@zxc6: Pretty sure that this feat of Natsu is above everything Grimmjow ever shown

I 100% agree with you, Natsu is just too awesome and powerful and no bleach character is anywhere close to natsu's level of power

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#30 Posted by FullMetalEmprah (4000 posts) - - Show Bio

I can Natsu winning, but FTL+ Fairy Tale? That's beyond wank.

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#31 Posted by Oingo_Boingo (150 posts) - - Show Bio

With speed equal Natsu. Without speed equal Grimmjow

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#32 Posted by Jko1 (3001 posts) - - Show Bio

@coitunats: Seriously are you Jason-Kieffer? With the absurb claims you make and how hard you try to troll Fairy Tail, I'm seeing a strong resemblence.

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#33 Posted by SkySanji (4582 posts) - - Show Bio

I still don't see how Grimmjow wins this when speed is equalized

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#34 Posted by cromulor (2119 posts) - - Show Bio

Grimmjow, good fight.

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#35 Posted by AlexTheBoss (16978 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji said:

I still don't see how Grimmjow wins this when speed is equalized

Because nobody likes Fairy tail

@eobard21 said:

@alextheboss: The problem for natsu is the difference in speed, he might be stronger but idk if he can tag him

Speed is equalized

@alextheboss: Natsu one-shot someone with no durability feats to speak of, so I don't see how that helps.

He has to be durable enough to swing his sword without his arm falling off. He is also the size of a small mountain. The whole point of that guy was to show off how strong Natsu was, and even before that Naruto destroyed a mountain. Natsu is supposed to be mountain level, which is something Grimmjow isn't. Ulquiorra is the first one to arguably reach mountain level. So if speed is equalized Naruto should be able to win this.

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#36 Posted by Eobard21 (4647 posts) - - Show Bio
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#37 Posted by ValorKnight (12221 posts) - - Show Bio
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#38 Posted by ourmanuel (10516 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss: how does him lifting the sword convert to durability?

That’s just a strength feat

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#39 Edited by AbstractRaze (2548 posts) - - Show Bio

@thebalance said:

@gilateen: Grimmjow's potency is waaay too high for Natsu. I can't say how high it is though because SkySanji is gonna make a reference about me.

40+ planetary Bleach characters, he's gonna make that stick for a while.

Grimmjow could impale Askin in his Vollständig, the levels of Reiatsu concentration Askin had, was easily 5 times higher than R2 Ulquiorra, since Askin was a Schutzstaffel, a not conventional Sternritter, Askin could easily deal with 2 Captains, such as Urahara and Yoruichi and this, Grimmjow did it barehanded and not with a Zanpakuto/sword.

The more Reiatsu, the denser is the wielder's skin and musculature.

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#40 Posted by FaradaySloth (8496 posts) - - Show Bio

“FT downplay”

>Has the audacity to say Natsu stomps the Bleachverse

Lmao

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#41 Posted by TheBalance (663 posts) - - Show Bio

@abstractraze: based on my calculations, a reiatsu 5× higher than R2 Ulquiorra is still in the transition range in tier 1. Askin is all the way in the transition range of tier two. That's like the difference in power between a spiritually aware human (only enough soul power to see ghosts) and Vasto Lorde Ichigo which is well over millions of times. Hella crazy number but that's Bleach. The series went crazy when the concept of trancendency was introduced. You should note however that Grimmjow's reiatsu lowered the soul power of Askin as a result of the poisonous effect hollow reiatsu has on quincies. Askin's reiatsu may not even be felt by Ulquiorra and if he can somehow sense it, it would be a replay of Tatsuki's experience when Aizen stood before her. 5× above Ulquiorra is still a little weaker than Starrk who wouldn't be able to hold his ground or atleast try to fight against the weakest of sternritters who's Volständig can't ever hope to even scratch pre powered up base Askin. The power difference is waay too incredible.

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#42 Edited by AlexTheBoss (16978 posts) - - Show Bio

@ourmanuel: Not lifting the sword, swinging it at speeds capable to create multi mile long shockwaves without the momentum of his arm tearing it right out of his socket. The whole point of that scene was to show how strong Natsu was, not to show he can beat glass canons.

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#43 Edited by AbstractRaze (2548 posts) - - Show Bio

@thebalance said:

@abstractraze: based on my calculations, a reiatsu 5× higher than R2 Ulquiorra is still in the transition range in tier 1. Askin is all the way in the transition range of tier two. That's like the difference in power between a spiritually aware human (only enough soul power to see ghosts) and Vasto Lorde Ichigo which is well over millions of times. Hella crazy number but that's Bleach. The series went crazy when the concept of trancendency was introduced. You should note however that Grimmjow's reiatsu lowered the soul power of Askin as a result of the poisonous effect hollow reiatsu has on quincies. Askin's reiatsu may not even be felt by Ulquiorra and if he can somehow sense it, it would be a replay of Tatsuki's experience when Aizen stood before her. 5× above Ulquiorra is still a little weaker than Starrk who wouldn't be able to hold his ground or atleast try to fight against the weakest of sternritters who's Volständig can't ever hope to even scratch pre powered up base Askin. The power difference is waay too incredible.

Well, Reiatsu passively increments the density of the skin and musculature and it's in an independent manner, however, there is no much material to assume that a Hollow Reiatsu could influence in that way, because theoretically the skin and musculature is expressed as Reishi and not as Reiatsu.

Reiryoku generates Reiatsu and the astral world in the Bleach-verse is made by Reishi.

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#44 Posted by TheBalance (663 posts) - - Show Bio
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#45 Edited by AbstractRaze (2548 posts) - - Show Bio

@thebalance said:

@abstractraze: the manga literally states it

But how exactly? Uryuu fought Arrancars during the Arrancar Arc, he was injured and nothing happened, he was neither poisoned, in only influences if we're talking about a direct soul contact like happened with Ichigo's mother, who was a Quincy.

One Thing is that Tite Kubo is a dumbass, he added to many plotholes without fixing previous ones.

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#46 Posted by WorldofRuin6 (2589 posts) - - Show Bio

With speed equalized, Nastu takes it.

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#47 Posted by HypeBeastCSB15 (1065 posts) - - Show Bio

grimmjow pokes natsu and he dies.

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#48 Posted by HypeBeastCSB15 (1065 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: Grimmjow's potency is waaay too high for Natsu. I can't say how high it is though because SkySanji is gonna make a reference about me.

40+ planetary Bleach characters, he's gonna make that stick for a while.

I mean you aren't wrong tho. Bleach is just a swole verse.

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#50 Posted by Skye02 (133 posts) - - Show Bio

Natsu