Natsu Dragneel Vs Laxus Dreyar and Mirajane Strauss

Rules:

• Morals Off
• Bloodlusted
• No BFR
• Standard Gear
• Fights takes place in an empty city

Unless Natsu is having a plot power up, don't these two usually solo? I haven't read 1,000 year quest though, so maybe that's changed.

Morals off and bloodlusted? I understand, of course, but still....

collection of things to represent a bloodlusted Natsu vs Laxus and Mira, plus others of their tier:

And, perhaps most accurately:

A morals off/bloodlusted Natsu solos by EoS honestly, Dragon Force has always been a next level power up and 100YQ stuff only supplements that.

Morals on, yes, either would solo him.

Eh even with morals on, Natsu has better feats than and showings in verse tbh. No way they would solo especially Mira

Anyways with the rules, Natsu stomps

Natsu stomps if he is Serious

You are wrong. Base Mira definitely can beat Base Natsu (LFD, FDK) by her feats in fights with Jacob and Kamika.

For reference, by Base Mira in CV I mean this Mira:

@emmafrostxmen: @emmafrostxmen: You should give Mirajane any other form with wings or ability to fly. Her Macro ability doesn't depends on her form, if you mean that only Seilah form can Macro him.

Actually, he burned a hole in wooden Aldoron, which size is comparable to city or slightly more and some people start talking that he is multicontinental, lol. Sixteen year old Mirajane did the same, she evaporazed the city, while Natsu had DS advantage there.

OT: Surely, Laxus is a dead weight in this fight, only Mirajane, Gildarts or Wendy Belserion has a chance to beat him from whole guild.

@cocacolaman: Can Natsu use emotional boost when he fight his friends? Just because the most canon of FT verse is that main character is a god, when fight enemies, which are threat for his friends, but fodder in fight with friends.

Normally, I'd agree, but the rules specify Natsu is bloodlusted and lost his morals.

Natsu.

@cocacolaman: I perfectly know. But actually It's not a simple case like it seems. We all know, that all Natsu' superior to Base forms are usually casual and hard in powerscaling. And fights with Zeref and Aldoron only proved it. I already described my position in "Miraxus" about this.

Natsu uses emotional boost to increase power. Emotional boost, obviously, depends on emotions. Emotions are positive and negative. Obviously, that positive emotions calls PoF in this verse. Negative emotions are the origin of some kind of sorcery which called dark magic, demonic powers, black arts, curses, etc. And as you can see, all users of this sorcery like Zeref, Jellal, Mirajane, Zero, Joze, Simon, etc. can't use emotional boost even if they strongly need it. It was explained on example of Zeref. This is the reason why I can't see how Natsu, especially, "bloodlusted" as stated in rules, can increase his power here. And w/o this power he is as fodder as he was in comparing with these two during BoS, MoS, EoS.

I can see that negative emotions turn him into the END again, cuz Aldoron suggested that he still has END particles in his body, and if he really do it, he only let them win easier cuz of TakeOver.

... People need to understand the material better.

I still refrain from choosing the winner for now, otherwise I risk to be called as Laxus or Mira "wanker" again (despite both are my favourites), lol, but.....

Almighty bloodlusted Natsu beat Dragon God using Secret Art boosted by DF:

SPOILERS:

The same bloodlusted Natsu using Secret Art boosted by DF again failed to scratch Demon King and lost his MP:

May be cuz he is a DRAGON slayer, not Dragon Slayer slayer or Devil slayer?

ey wtf.

Natsu two shots, then vapes them as a side effect.

the headcanons

Wdym? Bloodlusted, current Natsu oneshots effortlessly...

I wasn't referring to you LMAO.

Did Natsu and Erza get weaker in 100q? They did so much rubbish in the end of the series that seeing them having normal fights seem to make people think they were nerfed. Laxus and Mirajane win and make babies on his corpse.

@morningstar999: You missed my scan. There is no way Natsu can simply vape Mira, lol. He lost his MP using secret art boosted DF but still couldn't even scratch Mard. Base Mira also absolutely invincible to FDK and LFD (you should rewatch her fight with Kamika cuz Grandtoaa always forget about this fight in discussion between us).

@morningstar999: Damn you need at least > 1500 Jupiters to kill Base Mira in Tartaros. Scrap of Seilah's CP is equal to 500 Jupiters and FP Seilah twice hit her but she survived. And some people still thought about "trash" dura.

Natsu solos them.

...By feats current Natsu simply oneshots. This is not fair lol. He is also bloodlusted, he is gonna murder them horribly.

@morningstar999: But they are bloodlusted too, lol. He can't protect himself from Macro, he is still is a half-demon and she is a Take Over wizard. You missed Tartaros? Only one eye contact and game is over for him. She doesn't need touching to take over demon soul. Natsu beating Zeref is not SO impressive cuz few persons can did the same (interesting, who also have Memento Mori?).

About vaping is a real headcanon. Since Tartaros we have never seen that DS magic even in DF can hurt demons, we have no feats to say about this.

And if he still has END particles his flame also contains a part of curse, while TakeOver negate curses and can weak the effect of flame too. There are facts and statements, unlike your's.

lol wow.

@lil_cabbage: wtf?

@emperor99: wtf?

Dragon force> team> Other natsu forms

Dragan force can't affect Demons. Natsu dies.

OT: I think It's safe to say this even with morals off

Apparently Natsu matching god tiers in base means nothing.

Natsu one shots

It doesn't seem DF is restricted here. Natsu should stomp.

Pretty much considering Gajeel exhausted him.

@ragegod: Like that's suppose to mean anything lol.

Natsu vapes them.

With the same success I can say that Mira vapes Natsu, cuz she really has feats to do it.

Show me the scan, where DF Natsu can damage or vape demons. Didn't even scratch Mard and lost all his MP? Cool

@lil_cabbage: Base Natsu is a real fodder for these two in their Base. Base Natsu can't even scratch them. That Mira in my picture easily tanked attack point blank, which is far stronger than LFD (which is the strongest of Base Natsu). She or Laxus can one-shots Base Natsu by one blow even w|o using magic like they and Erza always did with him.

Fairy Law and Macro don't restricted too.

OT: Team.

@emperor99: lol base Natsu on scaling alone is better than them.

LFD Natsu slapped around Hades and temp KOed him while Laxus got beaten up.

But apparently Natsu is fodder.

And apparently Laxus, Mirajane, and Erza somehow 1 shot Natsu without magic, when that never happened in the manga.

Fairy Law takes time to cast.

By scaling Base Laxus and Base Mira wreck Base Natsu.

Hades beat them all until Devil's Heart was destroyed.

Kamika effortlessly fodderized serious FP Natsu with LFD. Base Mira tanked her strongest attacks point blank and one-shotted her.

*Base Natsu aka Natsu w|o FDKM, DF

Fairy Law like Dragon Force, yeah. Macro and absorbtion - not.

None of them scale to god tiers so no.

Hades got beaten up by Natsu to the point where he activated his demon eye. Laxus got spanked.

Kamika never fodderized Natsu, manga scans or headcanon. Also lol GMG arc took place many arcs and years ago.

Base Natsu would also not include LFD following your logic of FDKM.

Entering Dragon Force at will never took time to activate.

@lil_cabbage:

None of them scale to god tiers so no.

Base Natsu is not even close to God Tier.

This Mira

can do the same as this Erza, lol:

Hades got beaten up by Natsu to the point where he activated his demon eye. Laxus got spanked.

Laxus was exhausted by Hades' spell. And most part of scraps of his MP allowed Natsu to use LFD. Hades, got taking hits from Natsu =|= defeated Hades.

Kamika never fodderized Natsu, manga scans or headcanon. Also lol GMG arc took place many arcs and years ago.

GMG is not filler arc. Mashima participated to extand fights by himself. Ratio between them doesn't change. They all trained between skips.

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Alvarez Natsu was clowned by Jacob before using FDKM. Nearly dead Mira being wounded in heart wrecked him, partically w|o magic.

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100yq weakend and injured Base Mira also literally wiped the floor with Gray, who is equal to Base Natsu.

Base Natsu would also not include LFD following your logic of FDKM.

FDKM - power up by Igneel, so no. And it was not so impressive. It only evaporazed a lake and melt a stadium by his body's heat and fire. Mira casually evaporized a whole sea and mountains only by her presense, she just stood and sea and mountains evaporated. Sea >>> lake. Evaporazing rock >>> melting rock. Mountains >>> stadium.

Entering Dragon Force at will never took time to activate.

Macro, Demon Eyes, Satanic Blast, Sensation curse, MBP and Take Over too. They are instant. Also DF can't affect Mira, it couldn't even scratch Mard in Tartaros and Natsu lost all his MP. Current Mira laughable far stronger than Mard.

They can do it every day, lol

@emperor99 said:

@lil_cabbage:

None of them scale to god tiers so no.

Base Natsu is not even close to God Tier.

This Mira

can do the same as this Erza, lol:

Hades got beaten up by Natsu to the point where he activated his demon eye. Laxus got spanked.

Laxus was exhausted by Hades' spell. And most part of scraps of his MP allowed Natsu to use LFD. Hades, got taking hits from Natsu =|= defeated Hades.

Kamika never fodderized Natsu, manga scans or headcanon. Also lol GMG arc took place many arcs and years ago.

GMG is not filler arc. Mashima participated to extand fights by himself. Ratio between them doesn't change. They all trained between skips.

Gallery

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Alvarez Natsu was clowned by Jacob before using FDKM. Nearly dead Mira being wounded in heart wrecked him, partically w|o magic.

Gallery

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100yq weakend and injured Base Mira also literally wiped the floor with Gray, who is equal to Base Natsu.

Base Natsu would also not include LFD following your logic of FDKM.

FDKM - power up by Igneel, so no. And it was not so impressive. It only evaporazed a lake and melt a stadium by his body's heat and fire. Mira casually evaporized a whole sea and mountains only by her presense, she just stood and sea and mountains . Sea >>> lake. Evaporazing rock >>> melting rock. Mountains >>> stadium.

Entering Dragon Force at will never took time to activate.

Macro, Demon Eyes, Satanic Blast, Sensation curse, MBP and Take Over too. They are instant. Also DF can't affect Mira, it couldn't even scratch Mard in Tartaros and Natsu lost all his MP. Current Mira laughable far stronger than Mard.

Yet Natsu has fought god tiers in base.

Erza blocking Natsu's attack mean't for a fellow guildmate and getting her hand burned means what exactly?

Laxus got beaten up by Hades while LFD Natsu punked him enough to force his demon eye. LFD is a perma amp Natsu can access at will.

Characters surpass other characters all the time in further arcs. Natsu has surpassed his own guild by now.

So no manga scans lol, just Natsu getting attacked in anime. Where is the "fodderization" Headcanon.

You don't know what "clowned" means Natsu was fighting on par with Jacob.

Jacob could barely fight Mira in the first place as he was distracted by her boobs, Jacob's greatest weakness. And again more anime panels.

morals on with Gray in demon slayer mode sure. Morals off no. Also scans for 100yq weakened base Mira wiping the floor with Gray or never happened.

Natsu can use FDKM moves without igneels power. It's part of his power now like LFD. Natsu explicitly stated when he used the limited remnants of Igneels power and that was against Zeref in his 2nd fight against him.

Mirajane vaporized the sea in the manga. Only the entire shoreline was shown gone. In the manga Mountains were never vaporized by her. Natsu vaporized a lake that spanned a mountain range.

Current Natsu is also laughably stronger than Mard. Natsu managed to hurt Mard, the strongest of the Tartaros demons in his etherious form. While Mira only fought Seliah. Natsu doesn't even need DF to affect Mira. He has beat demons into submission without it. The logic here is just backwards.

@emperor99 said:

@lil_cabbage said:

@emperor99:

And apparently Laxus, Mirajane, and Erza somehow 1 shot Natsu without magic, when that never happened in the manga.

They can do it every day, lol

1 shot would have to imply Natsu got KOed, killed, or severely damaged. None of that happened. Also 0 proof Erza wasn't using magic when she fights with weapons.