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#1 Posted by jiggs1234 (786 posts) - - Show Bio
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Who wins and why

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#2 Posted by _KingofLatveria (18365 posts) - - Show Bio

Nate was stated to be more powerful than any version of Stryfe and Cable and has feats to prove it

This isn't a fair matchup

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#3 Posted by Grinningf0x (1439 posts) - - Show Bio

Nate

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#4 Posted by MrStranger (1895 posts) - - Show Bio

Nate Grey stomps.

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#5 Posted by HellionVulcan (6877 posts) - - Show Bio

Current Nate would lose badly since he has lost a lot of his power, Nate in his prime would murderstomp Stryfe.

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#6 Posted by Batvibe12 (5381 posts) - - Show Bio

Nate

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#7 Posted by cosmic_reign (3195 posts) - - Show Bio

Current Nate would lose badly since he has lost a lot of his power, Nate in his prime would murderstomp Stryfe.

Pretty much this...☝️

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#8 Posted by Eeef (1868 posts) - - Show Bio

X-Man stomps.

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#9 Posted by Koays (10203 posts) - - Show Bio

Current Nate>/=Shaman Nate>/=Savior Cable>>Base Nate>>Stryfe>>Base Cable

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#10 Posted by Supermanthor (10516 posts) - - Show Bio

Nate

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#11 Posted by X_insignia1 (1861 posts) - - Show Bio

Nate Destroys.

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#12 Posted by Aqualion0 (879 posts) - - Show Bio

Stryfe gets mindraped.

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#13 Posted by GIliad_ (6608 posts) - - Show Bio

Cable has a more utilitarian mindset and probably uses his powers more efficiently but realistically Nate is on another level to Cable and Stryfe, anything they can do he can do better.

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#14 Posted by SmoothSanta (2020 posts) - - Show Bio

Nate

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@giliad_ said:

Cable has a more utilitarian mindset and probably uses his powers more efficiently but realistically Nate is on another level to Cable and Stryfe, anything they can do he can do better.

Eh.....mostly right. Stryfe has nothing on either of them feat wise. But Cable is tricky

Savior Cable at full power was pretty much walking through Nate's pre-shaman feats like a game and was implied to still be growing in power despite it killing him(pretty much the same m.o. as pre-shaman Nate). The only real difference is that Nate doesn't have to hold back anymore where as Savior Cable is killing himself.

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#16 Edited by comic_book_fan (10811 posts) - - Show Bio

stryfe is a little weaker with his powers not by much but is stronger physically but stryfe has one feat that is better than any of nates he literally restrained an evil brother of the phoenix force with his tk

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#17 Posted by Myleftbuttcheeksolos (408 posts) - - Show Bio

Nate mudershitstomps. Lmao.

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#18 Posted by hurricanefunnel (1983 posts) - - Show Bio

nate wins

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#19 Posted by Spiders13 (385 posts) - - Show Bio

Stryfe is now a dog.

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#20 Posted by GIliad_ (6608 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays said:
@giliad_ said:

Cable has a more utilitarian mindset and probably uses his powers more efficiently but realistically Nate is on another level to Cable and Stryfe, anything they can do he can do better.

Eh.....mostly right. Stryfe has nothing on either of them feat wise. But Cable is tricky

Savior Cable at full power was pretty much walking through Nate's pre-shaman feats like a game and was implied to still be growing in power despite it killing him(pretty much the same m.o. as pre-shaman Nate). The only real difference is that Nate doesn't have to hold back anymore where as Savior Cable is killing himself.

Ye my logic is Cable without TO is fundamentally identical to Nate the only difference is Nate's done a few things that Cable never did.

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#21 Posted by X_insignia1 (1861 posts) - - Show Bio

@giliad_:

Not really, I think Nate is pretty far ahead of what Cable could ever be. His most recent feats put him above both Legion, and a non Phoenix empowered Jean (who easily took down 4 silver surfers) while Cable was pretty much crushed by one.

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#23 Posted by DiarrheaRegatta (3547 posts) - - Show Bio

Nate wins now.

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#24 Posted by EcoBlitz (3743 posts) - - Show Bio

I never really liked X-men as a whole, is Nate a good character? What about stryfe?

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#25 Edited by cosmic_reign (3195 posts) - - Show Bio

X-Man

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#26 Posted by GIliad_ (6608 posts) - - Show Bio

@x_insignia1: I meant more same potential. Saviour Cable was basically what Nate was before he became Shaman when his body was burning himself up and non-TO Cable has the same POTENTIAL as Nate Grey (who is genetically identical To him except born without TO). Nate Grey is definitely more powerful than Cable ever was but not necessarily could be.

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#27 Posted by Jmarshmallow (13818 posts) - - Show Bio

Nate stomps this isn’t close.

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#28 Posted by Jmarshmallow (13818 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays: What has current Nate done that would put him above Shaman Nate? Haven’t seen anything from him that puts him on that level.

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@jmarshmallow said:

@koays: What has current Nate done that would put him above Shaman Nate? Haven’t seen anything from him that puts him on that level.

-Currently being referred to as "Beyond Omega-level, and is currently being referenced as the most powerful mutant in existence. Also referred to as "ominipotent" and "god-like"

-He easily captured Apoc and Kitty pride while holding them hostage telekinetically while simultaneously depowering them +performing other planetary feats simultanously.

-Currently empowering his Horsement to new levels by his own accord (Magento Blob , Omega Red Angel and now Storm too)

-Easily erased all religious monuments across the word simultaneously from existence.

-He's currently reshaping the planet by creating new bodies of water /ecological features while bringing back extinct species and creating new vegetation (not sure if ti's being down through a reality warp or just monstrous matter manipulation),

-Took down legion and his entire legion of personalities in what appears to be a one shot, then then possessed his body

-He essentially one shotted all of the X-Men at once (including Jean + took them hostage for a time being) overpowered all of them effortlessly,

-He was about to kill Jean until she called in the additional X-Men telepathically so he's about to take them all within the next issue

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#34 Posted by PyroFN (5341 posts) - - Show Bio

@comic_book_fan: “he literally restrained an evil brother of the phoenix force with his tk”

What? When?

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#35 Posted by MarlboroMan (2809 posts) - - Show Bio

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@x_insignia1: Where does he continue to appear?

What do you mean? you mean the issue number?

I meant as what series he appears but i found out these things you mentioned appears in new Uncanny X-men volume

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#36 Edited by PyroFN (5341 posts) - - Show Bio

@x_insignia1: Don’t know if we should include Blues tie-in to Exterminated, since that Jean is an adult Teen Jean Grey, who never grows up to be our Jean Grey.

Just a thought.

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#37 Posted by Madscientist224 (1283 posts) - - Show Bio

Xman still

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#39 Posted by Jmarshmallow (13818 posts) - - Show Bio

@x_insignia1: Impressive, but I dunno if that’s above Shaman Nate.

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#40 Posted by Koays (10203 posts) - - Show Bio

@jmarshmallow: Jean states that hes stronger now then hes ever been in Uncanny.

Also his original Solo had multiple statements that his power would continue to grow as he got older and eventually kill him. The implication being that his being near death in Uncanny is the culmination of that.

Also him beating Legion inside his head can count as well as something above his previous TP abilities as people with strong enough will have overcome him in the past and now hes taking on thousands of minds and dominating them.