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#1 Posted by Lordflawlez (1292 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1 base form

Round 2 composite

Who wins? Also rank the others from most powerful to weakest

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#2 Posted by HellionVulcan (7257 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1 either X-man or Franklin but considering Nate's current feats he should win.

Round 2 most likely Rachel due to phoenix force.

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#3 Posted by Zane240 (545 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1 legion

Round 2 possibly still legion

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#4 Posted by greenroost (1381 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1 either X-man or Franklin but considering Nate's current feats he should win.

Round 2 most likely Rachel due to phoenix force.

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#6 Posted by Koays (11481 posts) - - Show Bio

R1- Franklin or Legion
R2- Composite Legion or Phoenix Rachel....Legion could reboot the universe while Rachel is immune to time and space manipulation

Strongest to weakest?
At Base?

Legion
Franklin
Nate Grey
Rachel Grey
Cable

Composite?
Legion
Phoenix Rachel
Franklin
Nate Grey
Savior Cable


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#7 Posted by cosmic_reign (3588 posts) - - Show Bio

FR

FR or Nate

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#8 Posted by Supermanthor (20154 posts) - - Show Bio

Fr

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#10 Edited by PhoenixTitan (899 posts) - - Show Bio

Nate has more consistent feats than FR.

In before He ToOk OvEr GaLaCtUs

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#11 Posted by Zane240 (545 posts) - - Show Bio

@phoenixtitan:

What are nates best feats compared to Richard or legion?

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#13 Posted by VeilerAX10 (261 posts) - - Show Bio

Frank

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#16 Posted by Zane240 (545 posts) - - Show Bio

Good

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#17 Posted by PyroFN (6389 posts) - - Show Bio

My answers will be going against this grain. Not purposely.

Round 1: Nate Grey. Franklin is inexperienced, Cable is limited, Rachel is inexperienced but actually has the best chance of standing against Nate if we are looking at her best, and finally, Legion. Legion is too unpredictable and his powers are tied to a specific personality each. So, that unreliability takes him out of the equation.

Round 2: Toss up between Rachel and Legion. Rachel could retreat to the White Hot Room to escape wide-range reality warping and considering his other powers, she should be capable meeting his power blow for blow. The only problem is her character-flaws of trying to go with solely out-muscle her opponent. If she plays smart, she could win. If not, Legion wins.

Nate does have a limit that could kill or drain him. Cables feats while impressive were too few to back him up on. Franklin, again, while comparable to Phoenix and Legion, still doesn’t fully understand the extent of his powers enough in comparison to Legion from Age of X or Rachel who has Phoenix guiding her hand.

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#18 Posted by PyroFN (6389 posts) - - Show Bio

Most powerful to weakest at base form?

If we are talking power only:

•Franklin/ Legion/ Nate- It’s unclear.

•Rachel- She has explored more of her powers than Cable.

•Cable- The most dangerous part about him is his skill, but he doesn’t have enough skill to warrant any placement above the others.

Talking overall:

•Nate/ Legion- They have more power and some handle on their powers. I wouldn’t back them up against the great psi’s like Xavier due to their either unreliable nature or inexperience, but they have the stats on paper.

•Rachel- She Of everyone in here has the most training next to Cable, but since she isn’t held back by an illness, she gets special treatment and takes the second spot.

•Franklin- I would’ve put him below Cable were it not for the recent run of Fantastic Four. He still needs time to learn, but he definitely has better control of his abilities than before.

•Cable- Cable would need prep to take on any of the above. A straight fight will end in his blood being spilled.

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#19 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (10295 posts) - - Show Bio

@pyrofn: doesn’t Nate require the life seed for his more impressive feats and without it he’s like herald level? Just curious.

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#20 Posted by Supermanthor (20154 posts) - - Show Bio

FR

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#21 Posted by PyroFN (6389 posts) - - Show Bio

@supermanwithatan01: If I’m not correct, that is what was revealed and I believe the seed was either inserted or on his person at all times. (I’m not too familiar with Nates entire history) His power levels without it, I’m not entirely sure. I’m thinking maybe Cable level?

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#22 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (10295 posts) - - Show Bio

@pyrofn: oh I see. So maybe it’s like a permanent thing now?

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#23 Posted by Koays (11481 posts) - - Show Bio

@pyrofn: @supermanwithatan01: Wait what are we saying? Because Nate just got the Lifeseed.

If were talking Nate without the seed and not putting him down to burnout power levels, then we have to bring him to Shaman Nate.

Shaman Nate would get stomped by Savior Cable...but mostly because Nate at any level is kinda an idiot. Power level wise he should be a great deal stronger then Cable since even in his PreShaman form he was supposedly Green Phoenix level and both Phoenix Jean and Rachel have proven to be able to smack Galactus' heralds around casually and actually threaten Galactus.

Cable Meanwhile was supposed to e eventually be a star buster by statements, but is hard to place do to the fact that he has atomized, transmuted and teleported objects into space while performing OP tk feat and high tier planetary TP feats.

If you told me Cable when not over extending was Shaman level I'd believe you. But as far as feats hes below Shaman...though he may still have more of them.

Regardless I'm banking on Phoenix Rachel as the dark horse here. She's got more of the force then Dark Phoenix, combat time travel feats, insta ressurection, and has sent someone through a planet and survived two moons to the face. All of that on top of no selling reality warping and shes likely to pull an upset on the boys. Otherwise, true form Legion just reboots the universe.

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#24 Posted by PyroFN (6389 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays: I thought Nate said that it was the seed that got him to the 616 universe and was what powered him?

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#25 Posted by Koays (11481 posts) - - Show Bio

@pyrofn: what wheres that? I remember him referencing finding the seed but that's it.

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#26 Posted by Kingant27 (16911 posts) - - Show Bio

R1 Franklin or Nate.

R2, Current Nate, Franklin and Legion are all pretty on par.

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#27 Posted by PyroFN (6389 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays: Uncanny X-Men vol 5 #10

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/rCk5m2_QUueXswV_4e0qhQToT2TNkFFjLtIRrMn-CV3SSFeHFEm7YEOEHvqHjduXsKlyHNua5SoAJV6HgtSTogx98Yq2lq8vRLegkujFznNw5C7hNdH55FI8uJsyIb9rpCaUT6HQ4g=s1600

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#28 Posted by Koays (11481 posts) - - Show Bio

@pyrofn: Ok I see where you could take that from there. But he also says he thought it came to him to save him but hes still dying. He didnt know he was dying until a few issues into his solo and the fact that he refers to his powers being increased by it pretty much goes along with the statements that hes stronger then he ever was before despite being burnt out at last glance.

It seems more like he meant "here" as in that very moment with godlike powers.

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#29 Posted by PyroFN (6389 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays: Hm, okay. I think that’s plausible.

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#30 Posted by Lordflawlez (1292 posts) - - Show Bio

BujoB

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#31 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (10295 posts) - - Show Bio

Legion should win the composite feats. He and Franklin seem to have the best feats overall here.

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#32 Posted by Guzmania (28 posts) - - Show Bio

What is stopping Nate from just shutting down everyone's minds ? He did dominate Legion in a telepathic battle in one pannel recently

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#33 Posted by Koays (11481 posts) - - Show Bio

@guzmania: Legion for what it's worth isnt a very accomplished telepath.

His mindscape is his greatest weapon, and even Emma and the Stepford Cuckoos have completely wrecked that. Legion basically lost by having his personalities erased, which is where his powers come from.

Nate is a very powerful, but ultimately inexperienced telepath. Cable, Sinister and Xavier have all pretty much shown that he doesnt really know what hes doing against experienced telepaths and between Jean and the Dark X-Men hes proven hes not the best at astral battles. Hell he had to be told that he was even in Legions mind.

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#34 Posted by NiteLite (2710 posts) - - Show Bio

FR.

Legion.

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#35 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (10295 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump.. and what if we are saying Nate has the life seed and it’s the true Legion

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#36 Posted by SmoothSanta (2454 posts) - - Show Bio

Nate.

He's the most powerful telepath here, and although Franklin is by far the most powerful overall here, he still has to think to perform an action which is going to be his downfall.

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#37 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (10295 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyone else.

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#38 Posted by Koays (11481 posts) - - Show Bio

@supermanwithatan01: If we give Nate the Lifeseed it's still going to have to wait to see how Age of X-Man resolves to know the extent of his powers. Like whether or not this is just a pocket dimension like Legion easily made and dismantled in Age of X.

True Legion is a Beast and is the biggest problem here because he has rebooted reality before. Rachel hard counters it by being able to retreat outside of Reality. But outside of pure destructive power has trouble with even his feats of folding space in on its self

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#39 Posted by Helloman (30115 posts) - - Show Bio

Stalemate both rounds.

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#40 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (10295 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays: so it’s Legions fight to lose as of right now?

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#41 Posted by LoveComicsLoveAnimeLoveGamesLoveToys (197 posts) - - Show Bio

Nate

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