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#1 Edited by LordWhis (380 posts) - - Show Bio

Prime Naruto, perfect kurama + perfect susanoo.

Reincarnated, healthy, perfect physical condition Complete Susanoo Itachi with the sake cutter longsword & Yata Mirror.

Have At Thee

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#2 Posted by Jechundesung (457 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordwhis: Why not give Naruto his strongest form, you did with Itachi?

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#3 Posted by Hiddenlight (3749 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto speedblitz. BM is way faster than KCM and Itachi fought on equal terms against KCM. At his prime, Naruto is way faster than his BM was.

Also, he knows how to counter Itachi's genjutsu, at least the majority of them (The one that could possibly drop him would be Tsukuyomi, but it requires eye contact). He could still sense real Itachi through the regular genjutsus probably, even though he would still be subjected to the illusions.

As for the Susanoo, Naruto is fast enough to hit Itachi's Susanoo where it is not protected by the Yata Mirror, and Itachi would never tag him with the Totsuka Blade. I don't even think that the blade ignores durability, people just say that it does because it is "ethereal", something that doesn't impress me though as even Naruto could grab his own spirit without any problems.

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#4 Edited by LordWhis (380 posts) - - Show Bio

@jechundesung: I thought the 9 tailed form from Boruto the movie was his strongest but sigh! He has so many forms it is really hard to keep track.

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#5 Posted by newcomer (1783 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto takes it.

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#6 Posted by LordWhis (380 posts) - - Show Bio

@hiddenlight: Doesn't the Yata Mirror offer some degree of omnidirectional protection & has anyone ever avoided a thrust from the totsuka blade, though it was stated to be possible, HE could create a sphere of amaterasu, he could use illusions on Naruto to make him vulnerable for a split second & thrust him then. I really think Itachi has a chance here.

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#7 Posted by Tony_Shark (1979 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordwhis: When Naruto is able to taken on an full Susanoo, amped by chakra of ALL 9 beasts, and stalemate it, then Itachi has no chance.

Plus, Itachis chakra is downright pitiful. His prime lets him use Amateratsu twice before passing out.

Naruto is also immune to genjutsu.

Also faster.

Also more durable.

Itachi has no chance.

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#8 Edited by LordWhis (380 posts) - - Show Bio

@tony_shark: Durability ? Um Yata Mirror kinda makes you indestructible

& he is not immune to tsukuyomi

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#9 Posted by Jechundesung (457 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordwhis: His strongest form is when he was fighting against kaguya, Because he was using all the Bijuu chakra he has plus his new sage powers. His strongest form as an adult would be him using that as well.

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#10 Posted by Jechundesung (457 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordwhis: Truth seeking balls turns everything into nothing. He's not immune to genjutsu. but seeing as he's now a perfect Jinchuuriki genjutsu would just be a waste of chakra. Plus Naruto can fight him with his eyes closed so no genjutsu.

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#11 Posted by Jiraiya_sageofoil (2313 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordwhis: tsukiyomi has been broken by weaker opponents.and the yata mirror isn't omnidirectional. It's a shield in front of him. One TBB from naruto would kill Itachi. He's not on the same tier. Lower high tier- mid high tier. Naruto is a solid high tier

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#12 Posted by WolverineIsTOAA (1760 posts) - - Show Bio

nawuto

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#13 Edited by pateuvasiliu (902 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto rapstomps.

Even Kyuubi Chakra Mode Naruto destroys Itachi.

SM Naruto loses to Itachi in a very good fight.

The Mangekyou cannot follow the 4th Raikage and Naruto is much faster than him. Furthermore Itachi needs to stay within Susanoo to stay alive, since Naruto's speed + Rasengan spells death for him.

Genjutsu won't work because:

1. Naruto has clones

2. Naruto has Kurama, who can break genjutsu

3. Naruto is so fast Itachi can't follow him so he can't put him under genjutsu

Even if Itachi stays inside Susanoo Naruto can just summon Ma and Pa and have them prepare Frog Song. When it's done, Itachi is dead.

Itachi stands no chance whatsoever.

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#14 Edited by Hiddenlight (3749 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordwhis said:

@hiddenlight: Doesn't the Yata Mirror offer some degree of omnidirectional protection & has anyone ever avoided a thrust from the totsuka blade, though it was stated to be possible, HE could create a sphere of amaterasu, he could use illusions on Naruto to make him vulnerable for a split second & thrust him then. I really think Itachi has a chance here.

Totsuka blade tagged:

  • A crippled Nagato that barely could move his legs even after being restored after absorbing Killer Bee's chakra. He also was being fully controlled by Kabuto, and Edo Tenseis are stated to be way weaker under full control than they were acting under their own will. On top of that, Kabuto was caught by surprise as he wasn't using Nagato's sensorial ability to see that Naruto, Bee and Itachi were alive.
  • An Orochimaru that was unable to move, extremely weakened, locked inside a fricking giant snake.

So yeah, Naruto can pretty much dance around Itachi, nothing suggest that Itachi have a better reaction time than Kakashi, and even in his BM Kakashi saw Naruto as a blur.

And the Yata Mirror isn't Omnidirectional, and even if it wasn't, then we would have a battle of Non Limits Fallacy:

The gudoudamas nullify anything that they touch, turning any jutsu or object into nothingness. The Yata Mirror deflects any attack. What would happen? Would the Yata Mirror be nullified or it would deflect the nullification? We can't be sure, the fact is that Naruto don't need to tag the mirror.

What would amaterasu do? Naruto tanked that thing with his V1 0-tails at the end of the series, he just grabbed it and then he threw away the flames. Even if he made Naruto see illusions, wouldn't change the fact that Naruto can easily detect where he is and from where his attacks are coming, even if Itachi messed up with his chakra, Naruto don't use chakra to locate his enemies like other sensorial ninjas do, he detects their malice towards him. So yeah, not even illusions would stop the Uzumaki from just speedblitzing Itachi.

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#15 Posted by Reno117 (2933 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto effortless..

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#16 Posted by tsoj (3602 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto with zero effort.

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#17 Posted by Noone301994 (22169 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto should win as long as he doesn't get hit with Tsukuyomi.

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#18 Posted by Shenron007 (2110 posts) - - Show Bio

Izanami GG

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#19 Posted by AlexTheBoss (16988 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto stomps.

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#20 Edited by AlexTheBoss (16988 posts) - - Show Bio

@shenron007: doesn't that only work on people who don't accept who they are or something? I forgot the exact rules.

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#21 Edited by Hiddenlight (3749 posts) - - Show Bio

@shenron007: doesn't that only work on people who don't except who they are or something? I forgot the exact rules.

Pretty much that. And Naruto never got away from his path lol

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#22 Posted by NeonGameWave (19333 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto stomps.

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#23 Posted by RyuBG (333 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto easy, he is already very experienced at fighting Sharingan users and he is faster than the Raikage who dodged amaterasu.

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#24 Posted by LordWhis (380 posts) - - Show Bio

Will Itachi really not be able to tag him even once with the sake cutter sword ?

Also can Itachi use Izanagi ?

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#25 Posted by ComicStooge (22062 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto slaughters.

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#26 Posted by LordWhis (380 posts) - - Show Bio

An Izanami about his relationship with his son might work.

Also he was stated by the physical manifestation of Kaguya's will to be practically invincible meaning he was invincible even relative to a being like Kaguya who can definitely damage & wound Naruto at his strongest, his only weakness was stamina which was fixed post reincarnation.

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#27 Posted by LordWhis (380 posts) - - Show Bio

Also perfect kurama + perfect susanoo is the form I mean for Naruto to have here so this is giant form vs giant form battle.

And The Creator Of Naruto himself said that he had to kill Itachi because If Itachi had been around he could beaten Madara & Madara would not have been the epic threat he ended up being if he were defeated so easily by a single ninja.

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#28 Posted by Simon_the_digger (7054 posts) - - Show Bio

Itachi dies again.

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#29 Posted by LordWhis (380 posts) - - Show Bio

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#30 Edited by LordWhis (380 posts) - - Show Bio

Edited The OP

Also Yata Mirror covers Itachi's Entire Susanoo, I just checked.

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#31 Posted by Hiddenlight (3749 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordwhis said:

Edited The OP

You've made things even worse for Itachi lol. Itachi don't have full body Susanoo, War Arc Sage Mode Naruto should be enough in a good day, or even KCM, they have what it takes to appear inside his Susanoo, kid Naruto managed to do that and we've seen, in Madara's fight against Gaara, that it's possible to attack a Susanoo user without full body from below, and Naruto did that against Neji while heavily damaged. Besides that, Itachi's susanoo never tanked anything close to Naruto's rasenshuriken, two points here, Kirin is hill level at best, War Arc rasenshurikens are beyond that, Itachi don't have the durability feats that Madara have with his Susanoo, and on top of that, his best feat was with Yata Mirror, Naruto can make thousands of clones, each one carrying one clone transformed in a rasenshuriken, and three or four of them holding true rasenshurikens as we've seen against Pain that he can be very creative with them. Itachi wouldn't be able to block all sides with the Yata Mirror, it isn't omnidirectional. Besides that, the use of Susanoo is extremely chakra taxing. If this is Edo Itachi, then Naruto will have no way to keep him "dead", but incapacitation is within his powers.

As it is now, it's a stomp where Itachi holds almost no chances.

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#32 Posted by LordWhis (380 posts) - - Show Bio

@hiddenlight: Naruto himself is in a Susanoo so that tactic would not work, So what if Itachi has no Madara class feats he was stated to be stronger than him by the creator of Naruto & even Kaguya has called him practically invincible, also Yata Mirror covers the entire Susanoo & Edo Itachi can use full body Susanoo, & I think he can use Izanagi & an Izanami based on Naruto's relationship with his son and a tsukuyomi could both drop him. Also I say again- KAGUYA called him practically invincible & the CREATOR OF NARUTO himself said he was stronger than PEAK MADARA, both of whom are beasts who have overpowered Naruto. Also Itachi just needs to tag him, nay touch him once with the sake cutter longsword & it is game over, I am sorry but I think Itachi has a reasonably good chance of winning, man to man Naruto would win, but Susanoo to Susanoo Itachi will win, a good fight either way though.

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#33 Posted by Hiddenlight (3749 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordwhis said:

@hiddenlight: Naruto himself is in a Susanoo so that tactic would not work, So what if Itachi has no Madara class feats he was stated to be stronger than him by the creator of Naruto & even Kaguya has called him practically invincible, also Yata Mirror covers the entire Susanoo & Edo Itachi can use full body Susanoo, & I think he can use Izanagi & an Izanami based on Naruto's relationship with his son and a tsukuyomi could both drop him. Also I say again- KAGUYA called him practically invincible & the CREATOR OF NARUTO himself said he was stronger than PEAK MADARA, both of whom are beasts who have overpowered Naruto. Also Itachi just needs to tag him, nay touch him once with the sake cutter longsword & it is game over, I am sorry but I think Itachi has a reasonably good chance of winning, man to man Naruto would win, but Susanoo to Susanoo Itachi will win, a good fight either way though.

He can just deactivate the Susanoo lol or just procceed to use it and cut through Itachi's Susanoo where it isn't protected by the Yata Mirror, the blade wouldn't even lose speed in doing so.

Where Kishimoto said that Itachi is stronger than Madara? If he said that, he was on drugs, just like when he wrote some of the battles in the manga. Black Zetsu isn't Omniscient, not even Kaguya is, hell, he was impressed by Chojuro's sword. He is the will of Kaguya, that doesn't mean that what he thinks she thinks, he couldn't even believe when Naruto outright speedblitzed her, claimed that her being defeated wasn't possible and yet Naruto and Sasuke managed to do that, they are two separate beings and that was made crystal clear in the last fight.

No, Itachi don't have full body Susanoo, not even close to that, Madara's one is leagues above his, Madara is only below Sasuke when it comes to that, and Sasuke/Naruto are on a league of their own. And the Yata Mirror is a shield, it only covers the front of his Susanoo, he can lift it and block attacks, if it was omnidirectional why would he bother in blocking the Snakes attacks? Why the snakes would be a threat to the body of his Susanoo? I'm not lowballing his durability, Orochimaru is crazy powerful.

Peak Madara would eat Itachi for breakfast without even moving, his Gudou Damas would do the job for him and even his Edo Tensei form is beyond what Itachi can handle, even without the Rinnegan, that thing was cutting through multiple mountains, while Itachi's one was having trouble to deal with Kabuto's snakes (PIS and he was holding back, just to save you the trouble of explaining). Despite that, adult Naruto and Sasuke would physically overpower Madara without any jutsu, Naruto reacting to Toneri's attack point blank is beyond anything that Madara have ever shown and Sasuke was on par with him in Boruto the movie. Even in their fight what saved Madara was his Limbos and his regeneration, and they wouldn't need to kill him to win a fight. A regular chidori from Sasuke or the rasengan that killed Momoshiki would be enough to vaporize Madara. The only thing that made him survive the Lava Rasenshuriken was him absorbing the Shinju and regenerating, despite enduring Gai's attack right before. So no, Madara never ragdolled Naruto/Sasuke.

Naruto knows about Tsukuyomi and to counter it he just need to not look into Itachi's eyes, it requires visual contact to work and even as KCM (Or base Sage Mode) he could fight without seeing his opponents, he can easily fight with his eyes closed. And what Itachi would do with Izanagi? He would just have two spare lives, which Naruto can easily take. Izanami? That just works when people refuse to accept their destiny, Naruto accepted and followed his destiny and became a Hokage, something that Neji never believed in their discussion about predestination, and also solved the problems with his son lol. Despite that, I doubt that Itachi would survive long enough to set the conditions for the Izanami, as soon as he clashed with BM Naruto or anything beyond that he would be pulverized.

Unless this is KCM or War Arc Sage Mode Naruto, he procceeds to nuke the entire battlefield or outright speedblitz Itachi. Itachi was on par with KCM Naruto, what he would do against BM or above? He would be in the same position as Kakashi, who saw Naruto as a blur even with his Mangekyou activated. Show me Totsuka Blade tagging anything as fast as Pain Arc Naruto (Even without the sage mode), he tagged an immobile Orochimaru and a Nagato that, even being healed, was unable to move his legs without the assistance of his summonings, also was under full control of a distracted Kabuto, and under full control he is unable to use his abilities to their fullest extent.

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#34 Posted by NinjaWarrior268 (11990 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto one shots

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#35 Edited by LordWhis (380 posts) - - Show Bio

@hiddenlight: 1 You do realize Naruto is a giant yellow fox in this fight & can fox naruto even fight with his eyes closed ?, Also while devolving he is vulnerable & Itachi can one-shot him with the Sake Cutter Longsword.

2 Itachi is the most intelligent & brilliant strategist in the entire series, he should figure out a way to either make Naruto vulnerable for a short time so that he can kill him with The Sword Of Totsuka or open his eyes so that he can tsukuyomi him to oblivion.

3 If Kishimoto said Itachi is stronger than Madara who are you to say anything to him ?

4 Let's just agree to disagree on the whole Black Zetsu said he was practically invincible thing.

5 Izanagi is like the 2nd strongest Jutsu in Naruto, The Only Thing stronger is Izanami but people who know who they are are immune to it. Izanagi allows you to WARP REALITY & to do the type of shit Madara & Kaguya do.

6 Sasuke & Naruto are not in a league of their own at all, Itachi & Madara could have both beaten Kaguya individually, simply because of their strategic brilliance, though they were not lacking in power, One of the 2 being immune to any attack & also wielding a sword that could one-shot her & the other being... Well... Madara Utchiha. Itachi is nothing less than the most powerful character in the series, Itachi & Madara would together beat Naruto & Sasuke, hell, either of them & Kakashi would be enough.

7 Yata Mirror can cover the whole Susanoo, it's a shield but an ethereal shield than can shape & reshape itself to suit the situation at hand, It has even once turned into a dome to protect Itachi's entire Susanoo, It can protect Itachi's entire Susanoo period. There is no way Naruto can even hurt Itachi. Here.

8 If Kishimoto called him stronger than Madara pre-reincarnation, he can either do infinite tsukuyomi, has a counter to it, or can do something similar.

9 I fail to see how Itachi, who has outsped some of the fastest shin obis in the world can be speed blitzed by a fox the size of a city which has fur colored such a bright yellow that it can be seen from outer space.

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#36 Posted by deactivated-5ac4e862bd47b (3700 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto.

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#37 Edited by Mugen_Tsukuyomi (470 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordwhis said:

Prime Naruto, perfect kurama + perfect susanoo.

Reincarnated, healthy, perfect physical condition Complete Susanoo Itachi with the sake cutter longsword & Yata Mirror.

Have At Thee

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#39 Posted by LordWhis (380 posts) - - Show Bio

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#40 Posted by SladerAcer (348 posts) - - Show Bio

Genjutsus from the Uchihas do not work well on Senjutsu Users. Shinobis like Hashirama, Hiruzen, Jiraiya, Minato, Tobirama were really never out into a successful gen jugar via Sharingan. If you have Senjutsu/Sage Chakra you are highly resistant if not immune to Uchiha Genjutsu.

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#41 Posted by reaverlation (25839 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto stomps

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#43 Posted by maestromage (1252 posts) - - Show Bio

@sladerace: that’s headcanon

Ot: naruto stomps

I can't believe you've done this, I thought we understood each other.

OT: Solo king solos

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#44 Posted by uchihaghost (716 posts) - - Show Bio

@sladeracer: That is flat out wrong (not arguing in favour of itachi) had to say it, it was never stated that Sage users are immune to sharingan genjutsu. Kabuto himself needed to cover his eyes because he knows how the uchiha bros will mess him of if he didn't take precaution.

Naruto beats itachi though.

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#46 Posted by xZone (10341 posts) - - Show Bio

Solo king solos

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#47 Posted by JuzaCloud (3416 posts) - - Show Bio

Itachi fodder without genjutsu

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#48 Posted by SladerAcer (348 posts) - - Show Bio

Kabuto is a BEGINNING/NEWBIE in the arts of Sage Mode/Senjutsu.

Kabuto is an amateur and not a master of SageMode/Senjutsu which is why he was vulnerable to izanami.

That jutsu Itachi used would of never worked on Naruto, Jiraiya, Hashirama, Minato, Tobirama, Hiruzen because they are well aware of how exactly Senjutsu/Sage Chakra works.

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#49 Posted by Megafanflash (755 posts) - - Show Bio

Kabuto is a BEGINNING/NEWBIE in the arts of Sage Mode/Senjutsu.

Kabuto is an amateur and not a master of SageMode/Senjutsu which is why he was vulnerable to izanami.

That jutsu Itachi used would of never worked on Naruto, Jiraiya, Hashirama, Minato, Tobirama, Hiruzen because they are well aware of how exactly Senjutsu/Sage Chakra works.

Well that is just not true. Kabuto had mastered sage transformation. Becoming a literal sage-being, able to control and manifest physically through nature like his surroundings etc.
You stated sage users were highly resistant if not immune. Which is also not true in general. I'd rather argue for having a tailed beast within you to snap you out of genjutsu being more relevant. Or just experience against genjutsu..

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#50 Posted by SladerAcer (348 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto Uzumaki perfected Toad Sage Mode and still got owned by Pain. If it wasn’t for the Kyuubi possessing Naruto or if Pain had no use for the kyuubi he would of died.

Jiraiya in An imperfect state of Sage Mode almost defeated all the Pains. I’m fact, Nagato himself said that if Jiraiya had more knowledge he would of won that fight.

Just because you have achieved a new weapon doesn’t necessarily mean you know how to use it.

Naruto was an amateur in Sage Mode when he fought pain.

Kabuto was also an amateur when he achieved his perfect Sage Mode dude was a newbie and his Senjutsu lvl was not on par with that of Jiraiyas whose Sage Mode was imperfect.

The ONLY reason Kabuto was a threat was because of 1 jutsu, Edo Tensei, that’s it.

Fact of the matter is, a Senjutsu/Sage Mode Master is highly resistant if not immune to Uchiha Sharingan Genjutsu which is why they were getting bodied in the time of Hashirama vs Madara feud.