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#1 Posted by UltimateSage (480 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto has to fight all of ichigo's enemies for the beginning of the book to Yhwach.

EOS Naruto (SOSP)

how far does he go? Where does he stop?

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#2 Edited by reaverlation (25522 posts) - - Show Bio

*Grabs Popcorn*

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#4 Posted by ArtoriasAbyssWalker (472 posts) - - Show Bio

Hot damn.

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#5 Posted by Aristeaus (659 posts) - - Show Bio

Under your rules, Naruto fights Ywach before he gets SK powers. If that happens, Ywach never gets to Almighty insanity, and he clears easily.

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#6 Posted by UltimateSage (480 posts) - - Show Bio
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#7 Posted by ArtoriasAbyssWalker (472 posts) - - Show Bio

Why all the Naruto vs Bleach threads lately?

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#8 Posted by FaradaySloth (6517 posts) - - Show Bio

He stops at Elites.

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#10 Posted by UltimateSage (480 posts) - - Show Bio

@faradaysloth: who and what are the elites?

Are they strong? What can they do?

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#12 Edited by FaradaySloth (6517 posts) - - Show Bio

@ultimatesage said:

@faradaysloth: who and what are the elites?

Strongest Sternritters apart from Uryu and Jugram

Are they strong?

Yes.

What can they do?

Pernida Parnkgjas:

Evolution Governance: Pernida governs progression and advancement through evolution, the enhancement of oneself and others via accelerated evolution, which it displays with the various adaptations it employs in order to survive combat situations.[35]

  • Organic Evolution: Pernida can evolve by absorbing and consuming organic biomass and gaining the abilities, traits, and attributes of the being the biomass was from.[36]
  • Adaptive Replication: Pernida can evolve by absorbing information from objects it touches with its nerves. In doing so, it evolved itself to the power level of Kenpachi Zaraki and replicated the layer-shedding ability of the Konjiki Ashisogi Jizō created by Mayuri Kurotsuchi's Modified Bankai.[37]
  • Anatomy Manipulation: Pernida has complete control over its anatomy, which it can freely alter and manipulate. It can grow additional appendages, remove sections or otherwise manipulate its parts.
  • Self-Replication: Should one of its fingers be removed from its body, Pernida can create a clone of itself from that finger. This involves the finger sprouting additional fingers and eyes before growing into a full hand and arm, which is distinguishable from Pernida itself by the fact that it only has one pupil in its eye and no Hagal rune on its wrist. These copies can also use The Compulsory[38] and create Heilig Bogen and Heilig Pfeil on their own.[39] These clones can also reform from extreme damage, such as having their body torn to shreds,[40] and can remain sentient and use their powers even in a state of severe dismemberment; this is achieved by having even more eyes and fingers appear on the dismembered parts.[41]
  • Regeneration: Pernida can regenerate its parts and any fingers it loses, intentionally or otherwise.[42]
  • Reconstitution: Should its body be destroyed, Pernida can completely reform and reconstruct itself in a short period of time.[43]

The effects of The Compulsory on Kenpachi's arm.The Compulsory (強制執行 (ザ・コンパルソリィ), Za Konparusorī; Japanese for "Compulsory Execution"): By shooting its nerves from its fingers and extending them into its opponent's body, Pernida can forcibly control their movements.[44] Using this power, it instantly crushed the body of one of the Soul King's giant soldiers[45] and condensed the corpse of Senjumaru Shutara's body double into a compact ball.[46]When using this power, the shape of Pernida's head distorts temporarily, becoming larger.[47] It can also use this power to severely warp individual body parts, such as the arms of Yoruichi[48] and Kenpachi Zaraki;[49] in the latter's case, it eventually reduced the arm to a puddle of blood, and would have warped Kenpachi's entire body had he not ripped his arm off.[50] If it infiltrates a victim's entire body, Pernida can tear them to shreds near-instantaneously.[51] It can also send its nerves into inorganic objects in order to control and shape them, which Pernida usually does by creating giant arms and hands out of the ground and nearby buildings to attack its opponents with.[52] In addition, if one of its fingers is severed, Pernida can have it use The Compulsory remotely, which involves an eye opening on the knuckle of the finger before attacking the target.[53] This ability is not actually a true Schrift granted by Yhwach's blood, but an ability Pernida has always possessed.[54]

Reishi Manipulation: As a Quincy, it primarily absorbs spiritual energy from the atmosphere and combines it with its own spiritual energy to form weapons.[55] It has an easier time collecting this energy in environments with higher concentrations of Reishi, such as in Soul Society or Hueco Mundo.[56]

Immense Spiritual Power: As a member of the Schutzstaffel, as well as being the Soul King's Left Arm,[57]Pernida possesses a truly immense amount of spiritual power that is greater than that of a captain-level Shinigami.

Spirit Weapon

Pernida's Heilig Bogen.

Heilig Bogen (神聖弓 (ハイリッヒ・ボーグン), Hairihhi Bōgun; German for "Holy Bow", Japanese for "Sacred Bow"): Pernida's preferred weapon takes the form of a large traditional bow and arrow, which it forms between its ring and index fingers and fires with its thumb.[58] It can also create five smaller Heilig Bogens above its fingertips in order to fire more arrows at once.[59]

  • Heilig Pfeil (神聖滅矢 (ハイリッヒ・プファイル), Hairihhi Pufairu; German for "Holy Arrow", Japanese for "Sacred Destruction Arrows"): Pernida can gather Reishi from the surrounding environment and condense it into arrows before firing them from its bow. Its arrows are very large and powerful, a single one having destroyed an entire tower,[60] and can be imbued with Pernida's nerves in order to infiltrate a target from a distance; this also allows them to be redirected if they miss Pernida's target.[61]

Askin Nakk Le Vaar

The Deathdealing (致死量 (ザ・デスディーリング), Za Desudīringu; Japanese for "Lethal Dose"): Askin can perfectly calculate the "absolute lethal dose" of any substance he consumes - the amount that will cause death without fail - and raise or lower that value as he sees fit, causing a lethal dosage of that substance.[46] In order to facilitate the lethal dose, he needs to consume a great amount of whatever it is he wants to manipulate into his body.[47] For example by consuming blood, he can decrease the lethal dosage of the blood in his opponent's body, thus making it fatal to them.[46]

  • Healing: Raising his own lethal dosage to an attack also grants Askin a healing factor, which allowed him to recover from the severe burns inflicted on him by Yūshirō Shihōin in seconds.[48]
  • Immunity: He develops an immunity to whatever substance or energy-based attack he is attacked with.[48] His immunity acquisition speed is incredibly fast. Upon receiving an attack, he reflexively analyzes their Reiatsu and begins to create his immunity at a terrifying speed. As long as he has one minute he can render virtually any attack ineffective.[49]
  • Gift Ball (ギフト・バル, Gifuto Baru; German for "Poison Ball"): Askin throws a small, slow moving ball of poison at his opponents.[50] It is potent enough to make Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez collapse immediately after making physical contact with it.[51] He can put multiple different substances in the ball, such as nitrogen, oxygen, and Reishi.[52]
  • Gift Bad (毒入りプール (ギフト・バート), Gifuto Bāto; German for "Poison Bath", Japanese for "Poison Pool"): Askin creates a darkened area of influence the size of a large circle on the ground; if anyone steps within its radius, Askin can lower their resistance to anything, such as Reishi, causing them to become "poisoned" by high amounts of that substance.[53]

Reishi Manipulation: As a Quincy, Askin primarily absorbs spiritual energy from the atmosphere, and combines it with his own spiritual energy to form weapons.[54] He has an easier time collecting this energy in environments with higher concentrations of Reishi such as in Soul Society or Hueco Mundo.[55]

  • Hirenkyaku Practitioner: Askin possesses some skill in Hirenkyaku, managing to dodge a fatal attack from Ōetsu Nimaiya.[56] He is also fast enough to appear behind Yūshirō, a Shunpo expert, and shoot three Heilig Pfeil though his chest before the latter could even react.[57]

Great Spiritual Power: Askin's Reiryoku is on a level comparable to or greater than that of a captain-level Shinigami.[58]

Hand-to-Hand Combatant: While rarely used, Askin has a degree of unarmed combat skill, as he succeeded in punching Yoruichi in the stomach while she had Shunkō activated (albeit she was still recovering from The Deathdealing). He can channel The Deathdealing in his attacks, as his single punch caused Yoruichi to collapse.[59]

Enhanced Endurance: Askin can survive normally fatal injuries, which he claims is an attribute he possessed prior to being recruited into the Wandenreich.[60] Notably, he briefly remained conscious and continued speaking even after his heart was ripped out of his body.[61]

Enhanced Durability: Despite his reluctance to engage in direct combat, Askin is a fairly durable combatant; he withstood Yoruichi Shihōin's Shunkō: Raijin Senkei with only light wounds,[62] and soon afterward survived the massive explosion created by Yūshirō Shihōin's Shunkō: Bakuen Musō with only moderate burns.[63]

Pharmacology Expertise: He determined Nimaiya's weight and how much blood his body contained by simple observation, and possesses an advanced understanding of pharmacology in relation to the effects of The Deathdealing on others.[64]

Highly Perceptive Combatant: Askin is a considerably perceptive and calculating combatant. When Ōetsu Nimaiya attacked the Schutzstaffel with Sayafushi, Askin was the only one who attempted to outmaneuver him because he had figured out the blade movements of Sayafushi to the point where he could move backward at the same speed as Nimaiya's swing, which Nimaiya himself noted and was impressed by despite seeing through the attempt and successfully attacking him.[65] When facing the restructuring power of Kisuke Urahara's Bankai and having his arm torn open, Askin quickly deduced that the Bankai had a limited range in which it could restructure objects and moved outside of that range to let his arm repair itself, which Urahara himself praised as being a far more cool-headed reaction than others who simply panicked and cut off their arm.[66]

Spirit Weapon

Askin's Spirit Weapon.

Heilig Bogen (神聖弓 (ハイリッヒ・ボーグン), Hairihhi Bōgun; German for "Holy Bow", Japanese for "Sacred Bow"): Askin wields a long bow that he summons by drawing it out of the cuff of his sleeve. Its handle is composed of several circles joined by light-colored bands, which then taper off into a normal bow.[67] The bow itself sprouts from and is attached to his wrist.[68]

  • Heilig Pfeil (神聖滅矢 (ハイリッヒ・プファイル), Hairihhi Pufairu; German for "Holy Arrow", Japanese for "Sacred Destruction Arrows"): Askin can fire moderately long arrows from his bow. The arrows possess four fletches on their ends, and Askin can fire two at once from the areas above and below his wrist.[69] He can also fire arrows from his index finger.[70]

Quincy: Vollständig

Askin's Quincy: Vollständig, Hasshein.

Hasshein (神の毒見 (ハスハイン), Hasuhain; Japanese for "God's Poison Taster"; Viz"God's Taster"): When Askin activates his Quincy: Vollständig, he gains wings composed of circles connected by beams of Reishi shaped like molecular sequences. The same material surrounds his waist as a belt, and he wears a transparent visor covering his eyes and eyebrows, one bracelet on his right wrist, and three bracelets on his left wrist. Three circles hovering over his right forearm, five circles hovering over his left arm, and nine circles over his lower chest in an upside down arrow position, with the tenth covering his own bellybutton and his Heiligenschein takes the shape of the Quincy Zeichen with five circles at each point of the star.[71]

  • The Deathdealing (Enhanced): Hasshein automatically adapts to changes in "poison"; as long as the base of the poison remains the same, any surface layer changes will cause Askin's immunity to adjust in turn, rendering the poison ineffective. This prevents him from being harmed by opponents who undergo rapid changes in the nature of their Reiatsu.[72]
  • Gift Ball Deluxe (極上毒入りボール (ギフト・バル・デラックス), Gifuto Baru Derakkusu; German for "Poison Ball Deluxe", Japanese for "First-Rate Poison Ball"): Askin creates an enormous version of Gift Ball centered around his body.[73] Its power magnifies greatly upon Askin's death.[74]
  • Gift Bereich (猛毒の領域 (ギフト・ベライヒ), Gifuto Beraihi; German for "Poison Realm", Japanese for "Deadly Poison Domain"): Askin creates dozens of interconnected spheres of light to form a large, spherical barrier, which he claims cannot be escaped from.[75]
  • Gift Ring (猛毒の指輪 (ギフト・リング), Gifuto Ringu; German for "Poison Ring", Japanese for "Deadly Poison Ring"): Askin enlarges the bracelet on his arm and throws it at an opponent, where it shrinks in size before making contact with a particular region of their body, at which point it forces all the potency of The Deathdealing into this focal point, causing an "instant death" of that region of the body.[76]
  • Reishi Staff: When forced to fight at close quarters, Askin can generate a long staff composed of spheres connected by rods with which to combat swordsmen.[77]

Gerard Valkyrie:

The Miracle (奇跡 (ザ・ミラクル), Za Mirakuru; Japanese for "Miracle"): Gerard claims to be able to manifest "miracles" upon himself by giving form to the thoughts, feelings, and desires of himself and those around him. By focusing on the enemy's fear of being unable to destroy him, he is also able to covert any physical damage upon him to increase his size and might.[51] With massive damage inflicted upon him, Gerard can become gigantic, towering over nearby buildings and other combatants, and becomes strong and durable enough to smash buildings with a single blow, deflect Byakuya's Senbonzakura with his hand, and blow away his opponents with his breath. He refers to this as his "Godly Size" (神の尺度 (サイズ), Kami no Saizu; Japanese for "Godly Scale; Viz"God's Size"); his strength and durability receive proportional increases as well. Upon transforming into his Godly Size form, any injuries he has incurred instantly disappear.[52] Even if Gerard loses a limb, it will automatically be reformed in a flash of light with visible veins and will be even stronger.[53] Even if he is cut in half vertically, Gerard will simply stitch his body back together.[54] This ability is not actually a true Schrift granted by Yhwach's blood, but rather an ability Gerard has always possessed.[55]

Gerard's wings.

Wings: If he needs to fly, Gerard can sprout a large pair of wings, which also forms an aura of energy around Hoffnung.[56]

Reishi Manipulation: As a Quincy, he primarily absorbs spiritual energy from the atmosphere, and combines it with his own spiritual energy to form weapons.[57] He has an easier time collecting this energy in environments with higher concentrations of Reishi, such as in Soul Society or Hueco Mundo.[58]

Immense Spiritual Power: As a member of the Schutzstaffel, as well as being the Soul King's heart,[59] Gerard possesses a truly immense amount of spiritual power that is greater than that of a captain-level Shinigami. Gerard himself expressed the utmost confidence he could take on numerous Shinigami captains and lieutenants by himself, severalofwhom are noted for being exceptional even amongst their peers.[60] Upon each individual activation of The Miracle, his already immense power skyrockets even more,[61] to the point that Tōshirō Hitsugaya outright called him a "monster".[62]

Immense Strength: With a single swing of his sword, Gerard effortlessly blew a hole through the Vestibule Road in the Soul King Palace with ease,[63] and later damaged part of Kirio Hikifune's Tree of Life with only the force generated by his sword swing.[64] He later leaped from one branch of the reformed Royal Realm to another, covering the tremendous distance in a single bound.[65]

Spirit Weapon

Hoffnung

Gerard's Spirit Weapon, Hoffnung.

Hoffnung (希望の剣 (ホーフヌング), Hōfunungu; German for "Hope", Japanese for "Sword of Hope"):[66] Gerard's favored weapon manifests in the form of a black, double-edged sword with a black hilt. Its guard is V-shaped and has a star in the center. Gerard commonly stores it in his shield when he is not using it. It is powerful enough to easily shatter Senjumaru Shutara's needle,[67] dent the life cage of Kirio Hikifune[68] and durable enough to withstand a direct clash with Kenpachi Zaraki's Nozarashi while only sustaining a small nick in the blade.[69] With his power, The Miracle, Gerard claims Hoffnung can never break because it is sheathed in hope.[70]

  • Damage Reflection: If Hoffnung is damaged in any way, the combatant who damaged it will suffer injuries in return; for example, a small nick in the blade will result in a disproportionately large cut in the opponent's body.[71] However, Hitsugaya managed to disable this effect by freezing Hoffnung completely solid, which caused it to cease its functions.[72]

Heilig Bogen

Gerard's Heilig Bogen.

Heilig Bogen (神聖弓 (ハイリッヒ・ボーグン), Hairihhi Bōgun; German for "Holy Bow", Japanese for "Sacred Bow"): Gerard's Heilig Bogen takes the form of a large bow with two sets of handles, one bent at a smaller angle than the other, that support the thick string. He summons it by clasping his hands together before pulling them apart to form the weapon.[73]

  • Heilig Pfeil (神聖滅矢 (ハイリッヒ・プファイル), Hairihhi Pufairu; German for "Holy Arrow", Japanese for "Sacred Destruction Arrows") Gerard can fire enormous Heilig Pfeil, which he refers to as a "pure torrent of power".[74]

Quincy: Vollständig

Gerard's Quincy: Vollständig, Aschetonig.

Aschetonig (神の権能 (アシュトニグ), Ashutonigu; Japanese for "Power of God"'; Viz"Ashtonig"):[75] Gerard activates his Quincy: Vollständig by forming a Quincy Zeichen in the air with his blood. In this form, Gerard gains a Norse Reishi helmet, a star extending over the edges of his shield, and thick patterns covering his arms and legs as the star on the hilt of Hoffnung turns white. He also gains a large pair of wings resembling those of a valkyrie.[76]

Upon being granted power by Yhwach's Auswählen, Gerard's Quincy: Vollständig granted him a Heiligenschein in the shape of the Quincy Zeichen and pair of white, feathery Reishi wings.[77]

  • Energy Blasts: Gerard can fire energy blasts from the tip of Hoffnungthat are powerful enough to level entire city blocks.[78]

Gerard's second form.

  • Second Form: After his initial form is destroyed, Gerard can access a second form of Quincy: Vollständig that gives him a face resembling a knight's helmet and two spikes on his shoulders. He seems to be devoid of clothing, and has energy patterns on his shoulders and waist.[79]Upon witnessing this transformation, Tōshirō Hitsugaya stated that Gerard's original Miracle-enhanced form did not even compare to it and that calling him a monster would be "an understatement."[80]

Lille Barro

The X-Axis (万物貫通 (ジ・イクサクシス), Ji Ikusakushisu; Japanese for "Piercing Everything"): Lille's rifle can pierce anything he fires at with perfect accuracy. When Lille fires, the rifle does not release a bullet; rather, it simply pierces everything between the muzzle and the target, leaving its power unable to be blocked by any barriers as a result.[38] When Lille has both of his eyes open, he can fully use The X-Axis, which allows his rifle to pierce through whatever he shoots and renders his body intangible. Though the power will only work for a short period of time when Lille's life is in danger during battle, if he opens his eyes a total of three times in a row during a battle, Lille is permitted to keep them open for the entire battle.[39]

Expert Marksman: Lille is a skilled marksman with his rifle, able to aim directly for his targets' vital spots from a distance while firing rapidly[40][41][42]and even snipe down the faraway cities surrounding the Soul King Palace.[43]He also managed to gun down multiple Shinigami at various states of injury and fatigue with perfect accuracy from a considerable distance while remaining unnoticed.[44]

Enhanced Reflexes: Lille possesses considerable reaction speed. During his battle with Shunsui Kyōraku, when the latter attempted to attack him from below with a shadow blade via Kageoni, Lille immediately leaped into the air in order to avoid it, something which Shunsui himself noted made Lille the first opponent he had ever faced to dodge such an attack on the first try.[45]

Reishi Manipulation: As a Quincy, he primarily absorbs spiritual energy from the atmosphere and combines it with his own spiritual energy to form weapons.[46] He has an easier time collecting this energy in environments with higher concentrations of Reishi, such as in Soul Society or Hueco Mundo.[47]

Immense Spiritual Power: As the leader of the Schutzstaffel, and Yhwach's "greatest creation"[10], Lille possesses an immense amount of spiritual power that is greater than that of a captain-level Shinigami. Lille is able to overpower Captain-Commander Shunsui Kyōraku, who possesses enormous levels of Reiryoku himself and managed to survive the latter's Bankai.[48] In his Vollständig's second form, Lille's power is of such degree that he could only be hurt by reflecting his own power back at him.[49]

Spirit Weapon

Lille's Spirit Weapon.

Diagramm (ディアグラム, Diaguramu; German for "Diagram"; Viz"Diagramme"): Lille's favored weapon manifests in the form of a large black rifle that he carries on his back underneath his cloak. Its forestock is mostly covered in light brown fur, except for a section on the underside near the end of the forestock. The end of the long barrel has a black, plus-shaped extension on it, and the stock is composed of two long, triangular protrusions that stabilize the rifle against Lille's shoulder and torso.[40][50] If part of the forestock is cut off or destroyed by an enemy attack, Lille can reform it with the appearance of black metal instead of light brown fur.[51]

  • Heilig Pfeil (神聖滅矢 (ハイリッヒ・プファイル), Hairihhi Pufairu; German for "Holy Arrow", Japanese for "Sacred Destruction Arrows"): Lille can fire bullet-shaped Heilig Pfeil from his rifle. They are powerful enough to destroy the cities surrounding the Soul King Palace with a single shot each.[52]Kirio Hikifunenotes that they possess such power due to being composed of highly compressed Reishi.[53] However, they can still be split and deflected if cut by a sufficiently sharp blade.[54]

Quincy: Vollständig

Lille's Quincy: Vollständig, Jilliel.

Jilliel (神の裁き (ジリエル), Jirieru; Japanese for "Judgement of God"; Viz"Divine Judgement"):[55] When Lille activates his Quincy: Vollständig, a large Quincy Zeichen ending in fleur-de-lis forms in the air, centered around his left eye. Lille's Quincy: Vollständig takes the form of a large white priestly robe with several holes and eight golden wings with three holes each covering Lille, who himself gains white lines crossing his face and an oversized Heiligenschein above his head.[56] Lille can alter the appearance of Jilliel to some extent, notably by fraying out the ends of his robe into a skirt-like section while granting himself shoes which each have two long points jutting downward, one at the toes and one at the heel.[57]

Upon being granted power by Yhwach's Auswählen, Lille's Quincy: Vollständig granted him a set of white, feathery Reishi wings.[58]

Lille teleports inside a building.

  • Teleportation: Lille can teleport to another location, where he appears as a spiralling circle that grows into his body.[59]
  • Flight: Using his eight wings, Lille can remain stationary in and fly through the air.[60]
  • The X-Axis (Enhanced): Lille can fire multiple shots at an opponent from the holes in his wings.[61] With his power active, Lille is constantly in a state of spatial intangibility, rendering him virtually untouchable by physical attacks and even Kidō.[62] By firing from six of the holes in his wings at once, Lille can produce a blast powerful enough to blow through a large portion of a city.[63] Lille can also fire powerful blasts from locations far away from his body by forming portals in the air, from which he unleashes the blasts.[64]

The second form of Jilliel.

  • Second Form: Unlike most Sternritter, Lille can access a second form of his Quincy: Vollständig. Entering it will regenerate any body parts that Lille has lost.[65] In this form, he gains a new, fair-skinned head with slicked-back hair similar to that of a human, but with the eyes, nose, and beak of an owl. His Heiligenschein is drastically reduced in size and gains spikes, and Lille's neck is elongated, resembling the body of a snake with fur on its back. His wings now resemble those of bats instead of angels, tapering to points and losing their feathery shapes. In addition, his shoes extend dramatically in horizontal length, giving him the appearance of a centaur, and his eyelids open and close horizontally instead of vertically.[66] He can also manipulate the size and shape of his head at will, as well as move his eyes around to any location on his head.[67]
  • Limb Generation: Lille can create long arms for himself that have light-colored greaves and long fingers on each hand.[68]
  • Sabaki no Kōmyō (裁きの光明, Ray of Judgement): Lille can fire thin waves of energy from his forearms and hands. These energy waves can pierce through entire cities, and areas in its path are riddled with explosions.[69]

Lille generates a ball of light.

  • Light Generation: Lille can form a large ball of light in front of his outstretched hand, allowing him to erase any nearby shadows at the cost of creating some on his own body.[70]
  • Trompete (神の喇叭 (トロンペーテ), Toronpēte; German for "Trumpet", Japanese for "Trumpet of God"): Lille creates a large trumpet out of Reishi before using it to fire an enormous blast powerful enough to erase a large part of a city.[71]

Lille's clones, confronted by Izuru.

  • Weakened Form: After being grievously wounded and shattered by Nanao Ise's Shinken Hakkyōken reflecting the power of Trompeteback at him, which destroys his Heiligenschein and costs him his godly powers, Lille's shards reform into drastically weakened versions of his previous form. Lille's clones take the form of flamingo-like birds with short wings and elongated necks and legs, though their heads and faces remain similar to those of Lille's previous form.[72]
  • Shapeshifting: Lille's clones can alter the appearance of their body to some degree, mainly by shifting the features of their head around.[73]
  • Energy Blasts: Lille's clones can fire energy blasts from the area in front of their mouths. These blasts are powerful enough to erase the bodies of low-level Shinigami that they hit, and create large explosions on impact. The clones can also fire these blasts in multiple directions in rapid succession by spinning their heads around.[74]

TLDR:

Pernida controls his nerves

Askin can make Naruto's Chakra or Blood lethal to him.

Gerard keeps getting stronger and stronger until Naruto can't beat him.

Lille is intangible and puts holes in Naruto's bodies

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#13 Posted by UltimateSage (480 posts) - - Show Bio

@faradaysloth: That took a hell ass time to read, god damn man

Can you me their speed feats?durability?busting level or something?

All that was jsut their abilites, if I read correctly

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#14 Posted by FaradaySloth (6517 posts) - - Show Bio

@ultimatesage: you didn’t read it though

You can look at their stats yourself, I’m on mobile and it’s 1:15 am where I am so find it for yourself

Also that list includes feats too.

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#15 Posted by UltimateSage (480 posts) - - Show Bio
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#16 Posted by IchiGODgo (44 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at the random hollow in episode 1

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#17 Posted by Wanderez (714 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at monster Aizen.

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#18 Posted by UltimateSage (480 posts) - - Show Bio
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@faradaysloth said:

He stops at Elites.

Yeah likely.

OT: For the people saying he can beat Pre SK Yhwach, just a friendly reminder that that version of Yhwach still reacted and keep up with mimihagi and ichibe and also has yamamoto’s bankai.

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#20 Posted by Wanderez (714 posts) - - Show Bio

@ultimatesage:

Aizen at that point was a part hollow. Ichigo when using Mugetsu combined all of his powers into 1 attack, including his quincy powers. Quincies erase hollows from existance. Therefore:

Aizen regenerated from being erased. No one in Naruto can kill him. Also, his reactive evolution renders sealing useless. He's also got spammable fragor.

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#22 Edited by reaverlation (25522 posts) - - Show Bio

@faradaysloth: Put a spoiler block or call a mod to do it for you on that long wiki post

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#23 Posted by weebbicboi (336 posts) - - Show Bio

Under your rules, Naruto fights Ywach before he gets SK powers. If that happens, Ywach never gets to Almighty insanity, and he clears easily.

^
This.

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#24 Posted by Aristeaus (659 posts) - - Show Bio

@faradaysloth said:

He stops at Elites.

Yeah likely.

OT: For the people saying he can beat Pre SK Yhwach, just a friendly reminder that that version of Yhwach still reacted and keep up with mimihagi and ichibe and also has yamamoto’s bankai.

Yhwach was getting smacked down by Ichibe before Eyes, and precognition significantly lowers the mimihagi speed feat. He also never used Yamma-jiis bankai, so there for is featless with it.

@wanderez said:

@ultimatesage:

Aizen at that point was a part hollow. Ichigo when using Mugetsu combined all of his powers into 1 attack, including his quincy powers. Quincies erase hollows from existance. Therefore:

Aizen regenerated from being erased. No one in Naruto can kill him. Also, his reactive evolution renders sealing useless. He's also got spammable fragor.

1: He had not awakened his quincy powers yet. There was a whole thing about this.

2: He clearly was not erased.

3: He was sealed quite effectively.

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#25 Edited by Wanderez (714 posts) - - Show Bio

@Aristeaus:

1... wtf?

2-except that he was as i explained, you can even see him disappear. Not to mention Mugetsu was said to turn everything into nothingness.

3-not an ordinary seal

Something else, Yamamoto's Bankai that should possess EE and all the other captains couldnt get rid of Aizen, thats why they sealed him and again, thats not an ordinary seal.

With all this proof, its more than safe to make such claims- Aizen has and can survive existance erasure.

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#26 Edited by ourmanuel (8267 posts) - - Show Bio

@Aristeaus said:
@ourmanuel said:
@faradaysloth said:

He stops at Elites.

Yeah likely.

OT: For the people saying he can beat Pre SK Yhwach, just a friendly reminder that that version of Yhwach still reacted and keep up with mimihagi and ichibe and also has yamamoto’s bankai.

Yhwach was getting smacked down by Ichibe before Eyes,

By a move that’s so fast it sends you flying 4000 km and due to its size, it was pretty much point blank and unavoidable. Asides from that he was keeping up with ichibe’s normal attacks that were even faster than he was. He only got rekked he was hit with the ink that he knew nothing about.

and precognition significantly lowers the mimihagi speed feat.

His precog doesn’t against Mimihagi

He also never used Yamma-jiis bankai, so there for is featless with it.

He literally states on panel that he can handle it and he even teases yama by asking whether or not he should activate it and use its ability to resurrect the dead.

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#27 Posted by cromulor (1846 posts) - - Show Bio

Fishbone D for the win

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#28 Edited by JuzaCloud (3351 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto can't do anything against Gerard, Lille, Aizen, Yhwach, and maybe gremmy. He easily beats the other villains though.

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#30 Posted by Aristeaus (659 posts) - - Show Bio

@ourmanuel said:.

Yhwach was getting smacked down by Ichibe before Eyes,

By a move that’s so fast it sends you flying 4000 km and due to its size, it was pretty much point blank and unavoidable. Asides from that he was keeping up with ichibe’s normal attacks that were even faster than he was. He only got rekked he was hit with the ink that he knew nothing about.

and precognition significantly lowers the mimihagi speed feat.

His precog doesn’t against Mimihagi

He also never used Yamma-jiis bankai, so there for is featless with it.

He literally states on panel that he can handle it and he even teases yama by asking whether or not he should activate it and use its ability to resurrect the dead.

Sounds like you are making excuses now. Wrecked is wrecked. It isnt like Ywach is going to know anything about Narutos abilities either.

No evidence to suggest Almighty, that lets him literally see everything, would not work against mimihagi. Ywach states that the soul king is the one thing that can escape his eyes, and literally talks about SK and Mimihagi as two different entities.

It does not matter if he states he can or cannot handle it. He never used it, therefore featless and impossible to argue for.

@wanderez said:

@Aristeaus:

1... wtf?

2-except that he was as i explained, you can even see him disappear. Not to mention Mugetsu was said to turn everything into nothingness.

3-not an ordinary seal

Something else, Yamamoto's Bankai that should possess EE and all the other captains couldnt get rid of Aizen, thats why they sealed him and again, thats not an ordinary seal.

With all this proof, its more than safe to make such claims- Aizen has and can survive existance erasure.

Ichigo's Quincy powers were not awakened until imprisoned by The Jailor. Literally explained thoroughly in the Manga. Not quite sure what you are having issues with.

The darkness envelops him( and only half of him at that ). That is far different then being erased. Do you think you are erased when you turn the lights off at night? lul

Not nearly at the moon seal level either.

It is straight foolish to make a claim that Aizen survived "Existance erasure". God... It pained me even to type that poorly. At no point was Mugetsu ever described as erasing or turning "everything into nothingness". You are making stuff up now.

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#31 Posted by UltimateSage (480 posts) - - Show Bio

Going good so far:)

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#32 Posted by Mee09 (5326 posts) - - Show Bio

How many of these threads do you people need?

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#33 Posted by RanaProGamer (1577 posts) - - Show Bio

Either stops at Aizen or Yhwach. I know Naruto can break out of illusions but the method for getting out of Absolute Hypnosis is different and to difficult for Naruto to try and break out of. Even if he does, he is not getting past Yhwach’s A Almighty. And yes I also know that Naruto has countered Sasuke’s precognition but Yhwach’s precognition is way above anything Sasuke’s precognition has shown.

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#34 Edited by Wanderez (714 posts) - - Show Bio

@Aristeaus:

His body is visibly gone (there's no reason to assume half of it is gone)

Mugetsu is stated to bring things back into nothing (its literally on a manga panel).

Mugetsu is all his powers in one attack, including his Quincy (your claim about Ichgo's quincy powers is completely wrong, no idea where you got this from) powers that erase Hollow souls from existence.

Aizen is part Hollow

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#35 Posted by Wanderez (714 posts) - - Show Bio

@Aristeaus:

Ichigo’s mom Masaski was a pure-blooded Quincy who had spiritual powers until the race’s leader sealed them away. Known as an Echt Quincy, Masaski passed on her powers to Ichigo as well.

It doesnt matter when he LEARNED he can use them, he has always had them.

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#36 Posted by Undre (1343 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at grandfisher.

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#37 Posted by Aristeaus (659 posts) - - Show Bio

@wanderez said:

@Aristeaus:

His body is visibly gone (there's no reason to assume half of it is gone)

Mugetsu is stated to bring things back into nothing (its literally on a manga panel).

Mugetsu is all his powers in one attack, including his Quincy (your claim about Ichgo's quincy powers is completely wrong, no idea where you got this from) powers that erase Hollow souls from existence.

Aizen is part Hollow

You should stop now. Literally none of what you are saying is correct.

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#38 Edited by Wanderez (714 posts) - - Show Bio

@Aristeaus:

As i already explained, he was born a part quincy. Period.

Nice cherry picking. Literally the next scan shows his complete disappearance, it doesnt matter anyways though.

You've literally not stated anything valuable. Aizen did survive existance erasure, which is supported by the fact:

-Mugetsu is said to "turn everything into nothing"

-as i explained, Ichigo was born a part quincy. Quincies erase hollows from existance

-SS including Yamamoto had to seal him, because they couldnt kill him

-on the last manga scan you posted you can clearly see he is disappearing (his body was gone; his wings were still fading), and right on the next one (which for obvious reasons you didnt post) he is visibly gone completely

Your argument was that Ichigo didnt know he can use these powers. Well, it doesnt matter, he combined everything into Mugetsu, it doesnt matter he didnt know about them.

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#39 Posted by zgtfreak (706 posts) - - Show Bio

Aizen solos Naruto. :\

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#40 Posted by Wanderez (714 posts) - - Show Bio

@zgtfreak:

Mid diff at most if you wank the Naruto side.

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#41 Posted by Aristeaus (659 posts) - - Show Bio

@wanderez said:

@Aristeaus:

As i already explained, he was born a part quincy. Period.

Nice cherry picking. Literally the next scan shows his complete disappearance, it doesnt matter anyways though.

You've literally not stated anything valuable. Aizen did survive existance erasure, which is supported by the fact:

-Mugetsu is said to "turn everything into to nothing"

-as i explained, Ichigo was born a part quincy. Quincies erase hollows from existance

-SS including Yamamoto had to seal him, because they couldnt kill him

-on the last manga scan you posted you can clearly see he is disappearing, and right on the next one (which for obvious reasons you didnt post) he is visibly gone

Your argument was that Ichigo didnt know he can use these powers. Well, it doesnt matter, he combined everything into Mugetsu, it doesnt matter he didnt know about them.

Jesus christ man....

At no point was Mugetsu said to turn everything into nothing, and if it did, it was not referring to its damaging effects, it would have been referring to the cost of using it. lol

Learn to spell Existence. Please. For all of humanities sake.

Ichigo had fought dozens upon dozens of Hollows prior to his awakening. None of them were "erased from existence". Nor did he use Blut Vene, or anything else associated with being a Quincy. What you are describing is a delusion you made up.

They couldnt kill Aizen because of the Hogyoku. The Hogyoku is a fragment of the SK. Given that the SK himself was killed, its pretty obvious that a sufficient amount of power can kill Aizen. NLF to the max here.

It shows a big ball of darkness. That, in no way, means that he was "erased". When Tosen used his Bankai, and no one could see inside the big ball of darkness, was Kenpachi resisting being erased? Stop with all this nonsense man.

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#42 Edited by Bag_ass (172 posts) - - Show Bio

Can't naruto just seal aizen? that's what urahara did anyway right?

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#43 Edited by Wanderez (714 posts) - - Show Bio

@Aristeaus:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/6/69/Bleach_421_7.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180624233433

There is no vapor. What are you talking about? He isnt being swallowed either, he simply disappears. Also, it clearly isnt a "big ball of darkness" lmao. Bruh, please bring better arguments than that.

https://prnt.sc/joujgl

Including Aizen. Clearly not referring to Ichigo losing his powers. That just doesnt make sense.

Mugetsu had Ichigo's quincy powers. Aizen in his monster form was part hollow. Quincies erase hollows from existence..... which is what happened to monster Aizen.... and despite this fact Aizen still regenerated.......... is it that hard for understanding?

"Humanities sake". Yeah, please learn the definition of irony.

Im now 99% sure you know nothing about Bleach. Cmon, you can do better than that. You yourself posted scans of Yhwach explaining his quincy powers and again as you already stated-he didnt know about them. Dude, just give up. You're literally contradicting your own statements at this point.

"A sufficient amount of power"... Yamamoto's fire in Bankai is said that it doesnt burn, there is no vapor-clearly EE. There's even a scan showing him literally erasing land mass by touching it and again-no vapor.

Im done with you lmao. You've clearly reached your limit and started contradicting your own statements already. Ive no intention of repeating myself just to get a big fat "idc".

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#44 Posted by B_r023 (5542 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at Yhwach if it's 1v1. Clears much more easily if he has Aizen to back him up.

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#45 Posted by Wanderez (714 posts) - - Show Bio

@b_r023:

He stops at monster Aizen. He cant put him down. Other than that, next is Yhwach. Ichigo hasnt fought anyone notable except these two.

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#46 Edited by Wanderez (714 posts) - - Show Bio

@faradaysloth:

Elites stomp Naruto, however Ichigo hasnt fought them.

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#47 Posted by FaradaySloth (6517 posts) - - Show Bio

@wanderez: I’m assuming this is bleach villains in general

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#49 Posted by UltimateSage (480 posts) - - Show Bio

@wanderez: yep it is

He is basically replacing ichigo

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#50 Posted by UltimateSage (480 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump!