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all of them at full power, standard gear, in charcter, vic by any mean, current naruto and sasuke, one hour prep for all, fight in the woods

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really? no one is goinf with the obvious speedblitz thing over here?

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I'm inclined to say that Gabriel's reality warping powers would trump anything the team could throw at him...

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Gabriel stomps hard.

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I would say Gabriel if it wasn't for the fact that angels are jobbers in supernatural. They have teleportation but constantly get tagged by normal dudes and demons. Gabriel got caught in a ring of holy fire for christ sakes in a reality he designed himself. His only plan for fighting Lucifer was to make a illusion based clone (Bushin) and try to stab him from behind. Naruto and Sasuke might be able to pull something out if Gabriel jobs. But, Gabriel should win.

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I would say Gabriel if it wasn't for the fact that angels are jobbers in supernatural. They have teleportation but constantly get tagged by normal dudes and demons. Gabriel got caught in a ring of holy fire for christ sakes in a reality he designed himself. His only plan for fighting Lucifer was to make a illusion based clone (Bushin) and try to stab him from behind. Naruto and Sasuke might be able to pull something out if Gabriel jobs. But, Gabriel should win.

ok, you just contradicted yourself, ad of course they get killed, because of the plot, and the reason he got caught was because he made sam-car with their actual full equipment, and being a reality of his own doesn't make his weaknesess any less real

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@cerberus369616 said:

I would say Gabriel if it wasn't for the fact that angels are jobbers in supernatural. They have teleportation but constantly get tagged by normal dudes and demons. Gabriel got caught in a ring of holy fire for christ sakes in a reality he designed himself. His only plan for fighting Lucifer was to make a illusion based clone (Bushin) and try to stab him from behind. Naruto and Sasuke might be able to pull something out if Gabriel jobs. But, Gabriel should win.

ok, you just contradicted yourself, ad of course they get killed, because of the plot, and the reason he got caught was because he made sam-car with their actual full equipment, and being a reality of his own doesn't make his weaknesess any less real

Didn't really contradict myself. I'm saying logically Gabriel should win, but angels job in supernatural. Logically with their power set no angel should ever lose to a human in a head to head battle but they do and alot. Yea, he gave Sam the tools to defeat him. That is dumb. Angels Job, be it plot or stupidity they are Jobbers and that includes Gabriel. I really don't understand the point your trying to make.

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A non-jobbing Gabriel should stomp.

But a non-jobbing Gabriel doesn't really exist in Supernatural, so the Team stomps.

Either way, mismatch.

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Naruto Solos via Speedblitz. Sasuke Solos via casual Space/Time Warping a Sword throw his head or just Speedblitz. Either way it's a stomp.

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@cerberus369616: my point was you said you would give thwe win to him if not for... and then you said he should win, and that the winchesters know how to kill and trap angels the ninjas don't

A non-jobbing Gabriel should stomp.

But a non-jobbing Gabriel doesn't really exist in Supernatural, so the Team stomps.

Either way, mismatch.

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yeah, their going to stomp hard trapped in dbz, then cis knoha and then making commercial about geital herpes

Naruto Solos via Speedblitz. Sasuke Solos via casual Space/Time Warping a Sword throw his head or just Speedblitz. Either way it's a stomp.

right, cuz he has reality waroing hon is level and archangels don't have time powers.... wait!!!!

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@justsomerandomkid said:

Naruto Solos via Speedblitz. Sasuke Solos via casual Space/Time Warping a Sword throw his head or just Speedblitz. Either way it's a stomp.

right, cuz he has reality waroing hon is level and archangels don't have time powers.... wait!!!!

....speedblitz is the key word.

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Naruto Solos via Speedblitz. Sasuke Solos via casual Space/Time Warping a Sword throw his head or just Speedblitz. Either way it's a stomp.

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@justsomerandomkid said:

Naruto Solos via Speedblitz. Sasuke Solos via casual Space/Time Warping a Sword throw his head or just Speedblitz. Either way it's a stomp.

right, cuz he has reality waroing hon is level and archangels don't have time powers.... wait!!!!

....speedblitz is the key word.

None of that would work on an Angel though. If it's not an angel blade, it's not killing them. Especially an Archangel.

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@princearagorn1 said:

@shadowpro said:
@justsomerandomkid said:

Naruto Solos via Speedblitz. Sasuke Solos via casual Space/Time Warping a Sword throw his head or just Speedblitz. Either way it's a stomp.

right, cuz he has reality waroing hon is level and archangels don't have time powers.... wait!!!!

....speedblitz is the key word.

None of that would work on an Angel though. If it's not an angel blade, it's not killing them. Especially an Archangel.

sealing ftw.

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@princearagorn1: if that sealing is strong enough to hold an archangel though.

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@princearagorn1: if that sealing is strong enough to hold an archangel though.

considering they're trying to seal kaguya right now, I don't see why not.

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@kyrees said:

@princearagorn1: if that sealing is strong enough to hold an archangel though.

considering they're trying to seal kaguya right now, I don't see why not.

kaguya is on archangel level ?

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@kyrees said:

@princearagorn1 said:

@kyrees said:

@princearagorn1: if that sealing is strong enough to hold an archangel though.

considering they're trying to seal kaguya right now, I don't see why not.

kaguya is on archangel level ?

Higher, actually. She's moon level+ casually.

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@kyrees said:

@princearagorn1 said:

@kyrees said:

@princearagorn1: if that sealing is strong enough to hold an archangel though.

considering they're trying to seal kaguya right now, I don't see why not.

kaguya is on archangel level ?

Higher, actually. She's moon level+ casually.

featwise, she is higher than archangel. writing wise, she is below them

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@kyrees said:
@princearagorn1 said:

@kyrees said:

@princearagorn1 said:

@kyrees said:

@princearagorn1: if that sealing is strong enough to hold an archangel though.

considering they're trying to seal kaguya right now, I don't see why not.

kaguya is on archangel level ?

Higher, actually. She's moon level+ casually.

featwise, she is higher than archangel. writing wise, she is below them

not really. The most powerful archangels battling would damage half the planet. Madara's technique reach over the globe, while kaguya is even stronger.

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@kyrees said:
@princearagorn1 said:

@kyrees said:

@princearagorn1 said:

@kyrees said:

@princearagorn1: if that sealing is strong enough to hold an archangel though.

considering they're trying to seal kaguya right now, I don't see why not.

kaguya is on archangel level ?

Higher, actually. She's moon level+ casually.

featwise, she is higher than archangel. writing wise, she is below them

not really. The most powerful archangels battling would damage half the planet. Madara's technique reach over the globe, while kaguya is even stronger.

Gabriel affected an entire universe IIRC. Made a pocket universe that he put Sam and Dean in. That makes him universe level.

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@princearagorn1 said:

@kyrees said:
@princearagorn1 said:

@kyrees said:

@princearagorn1 said:

@kyrees said:

@princearagorn1: if that sealing is strong enough to hold an archangel though.

considering they're trying to seal kaguya right now, I don't see why not.

kaguya is on archangel level ?

Higher, actually. She's moon level+ casually.

featwise, she is higher than archangel. writing wise, she is below them

not really. The most powerful archangels battling would damage half the planet. Madara's technique reach over the globe, while kaguya is even stronger.

Gabriel affected an entire universe IIRC. Made a pocket universe that he put Sam and Dean in. That makes him universe level.

lol.

Lucifer+michael = half a planet level. Gabriel = universal?

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@darkraiden said:

@princearagorn1 said:

@kyrees said:
@princearagorn1 said:

@kyrees said:

@princearagorn1 said:

@kyrees said:

@princearagorn1: if that sealing is strong enough to hold an archangel though.

considering they're trying to seal kaguya right now, I don't see why not.

kaguya is on archangel level ?

Higher, actually. She's moon level+ casually.

featwise, she is higher than archangel. writing wise, she is below them

not really. The most powerful archangels battling would damage half the planet. Madara's technique reach over the globe, while kaguya is even stronger.

Gabriel affected an entire universe IIRC. Made a pocket universe that he put Sam and Dean in. That makes him universe level.

lol.

Lucifer+michael = half a planet level. Gabriel = universal?

Nope. Gabriel can affect a universe consciously, as can Lucifer and Michael.All that was said was that if Lucifer and Michael fight, the Earth will be destroyed. That doesn't limit them in any way nor does it say how strong their reality warping powers are, just that their battle's collateral damage = planetary destruction.

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@darkraiden said:

@princearagorn1 said:

lol.

Lucifer+michael = half a planet level. Gabriel = universal?

Nope. Gabriel can affect a universe consciously, as can Lucifer and Michael.All that was said was that if Lucifer and Michael fight, the Earth will be destroyed. That doesn't limit them in any way nor does it say how strong their reality warping powers are, just that their battle's collateral damage = planetary destruction.

half the earth, actually. Rest half was still habitable... meaning surface wipe. That's not much compared to a moon level character. Heck the planet will shatter if the dying sage just let the moon drop...

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BROTHER WINS

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@darkraiden said:

@princearagorn1 said:

lol.

Lucifer+michael = half a planet level. Gabriel = universal?

Nope. Gabriel can affect a universe consciously, as can Lucifer and Michael.All that was said was that if Lucifer and Michael fight, the Earth will be destroyed. That doesn't limit them in any way nor does it say how strong their reality warping powers are, just that their battle's collateral damage = planetary destruction.

half the earth, actually. Rest half was still habitable... meaning surface wipe. That's not much compared to a moon level character. Heck the planet will shatter if the dying sage just let the moon drop...

Neither Naruto nor Sasuke are Moon level. Even the Sage is iffy if he is since he had his brother with him. And no, it said the entire planet would be destroyed (it never happened). That's why they had to stop them from fighting.

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@darkraiden: We are talking about whether sealing works on planetary beings or not. Which it does. Half and entire moon >> Half surface wipers.

And no, it said the entire planet would be destroyed (it never happened). That's why they had to stop them from fighting.

... not really. It's either half the people dying in battle, or lucifer's rule. (Supernatural: the end)

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@darkraiden: We are talking about whether sealing works on planetary beings or not. Which it does. Half and entire moon >> Half surface wipers.

And no, it said the entire planet would be destroyed (it never happened). That's why they had to stop them from fighting.

... not really. It's either half the people dying in battle, or lucifer's rule. (Supernatural: the end)

But Gabriel's not planetary for one, he's universe level and sealing has never shown to work on planetary beings. Only Moon level. Moon level is far below planet level.

And Gabriel has shown things like teleporting people places (like Kaguya just did to Sasuke), having clones, telekinesis, telepathy, etc. so they're not gonna be doing much to him even if he decides NOT to reality warp for w/e reason. Only thing we've seen seal an Archangel is God and....pretty sure Naruto and Sasuke aren't omnipotent like he is.

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@darkraiden:

But Gabriel's not planetary for one, he's universe level and sealing has never shown to work on planetary beings. Only Moon level. Moon level is far below planet level.

michael and lucifer going all out in their final battle will fry half the surface of earth, which is far below moon level.

Gabriel is not greater than two of them. Not greater than one of them either, actually. Heck, he was solo'd by lucifer.

lol universal level.

And Gabriel has shown things like teleporting people places (like Kaguya just did to Sasuke), having clones, telekinesis, telepathy, etc. so they're not gonna be doing much to him even if he decides NOT to reality warp for w/e reason. Only thing we've seen seal an Archangel is God and....pretty sure Naruto and Sasuke aren't omnipotent like he is.

blitz. And seal. GG.

And for the record, supernatural God isn't omnipotent. Death can kill him apparently.

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I'm inclined to say that Gabriel's reality warping powers would trump anything the team could throw at him...

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But Gabriel's not planetary for one, he's universe level and sealing has never shown to work on planetary beings. Only Moon level. Moon level is far below planet level.

michael and lucifer going all out in their final battle will fry half the surface of earth, which is far below moon level.

Gabriel is not greater than two of them. Not greater than one of them either, actually. Heck, he was solo'd by lucifer.

lol universal level.

And Gabriel has shown things like teleporting people places (like Kaguya just did to Sasuke), having clones, telekinesis, telepathy, etc. so they're not gonna be doing much to him even if he decides NOT to reality warp for w/e reason. Only thing we've seen seal an Archangel is God and....pretty sure Naruto and Sasuke aren't omnipotent like he is.

blitz. And seal. GG.

And for the record, supernatural God isn't omnipotent. Death can kill him apparently.

You can't do ABC logic in reverse just to back your agenda. We KNOW Gabriel is universe level. We've seen it. We haven't seen Michael and Lucifer fight. For all we know, it fries the universe. Plus we do KNOW that Lucifer doesn't want to destroy the Earth, so they could be holding back when they fight. Who knows.

All we know is Gabriel is universe level (shown on screen) and Lucifer taught Gabriel everything Gabriel knows (making him also universe level). Simple as.

And Naruto nor Sasuke can blitz OR seal Gabriel. Remember the 5 seconds from Pain. They're not that fast.

And Death claims he can kill God but he was enslaved by Lucifer and wasn't willing to fight God Castiel. So the claim isn't backed AT ALL.

Also half the Earth is actually>Moon by far. Just saying.

Also in character, Naruto nor Sasuke immediately for the seal. Especially about someone they don't know.

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@darkraiden:

You can't do ABC logic in reverse just to back your agenda. We KNOW Gabriel is universe level. We've seen it. We haven't seen Michael and Lucifer fight. For all we know, it fries the universe. Plus we do KNOW that Lucifer doesn't want to destroy the Earth, so they could be holding back when they fight. Who knows.

What agenda? Two angels going all out can't even take out earth. Weaker One cannot be universal.

And considering are very evenly matched, there's no holding back. It doesn't fry the universe because the other half will be habitable.

All we know is Gabriel is universe level (shown on screen) and Lucifer taught Gabriel everything Gabriel knows (making him also universe level). Simple as.

lol. no. He only worked on alternate dimensions, which block levelers can do.

And Naruto nor Sasuke can blitz OR seal Gabriel. Remember the 5 seconds from Pain. They're not that fast.

Yes, good point. remember five seconds from pein. They blitz gabriel very, very easily.

And Death claims he can kill God but he was enslaved by Lucifer and wasn't willing to fight God Castiel. So the claim isn't backed AT ALL.

Also half the Earth is actually>Moon by far. Just saying.

Not really. Half the earth's surface << moon. If they had destroyed half the earth, then it'd be okay. But half of it was still habitable, meaning surface wipe.

Also in character, Naruto nor Sasuke immediately for the seal. Especially about someone they don't know.

It's not like gabriel could ever keep up... One attempt fails, they go for the seal.

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@darkraiden:

You can't do ABC logic in reverse just to back your agenda. We KNOW Gabriel is universe level. We've seen it. We haven't seen Michael and Lucifer fight. For all we know, it fries the universe. Plus we do KNOW that Lucifer doesn't want to destroy the Earth, so they could be holding back when they fight. Who knows.

What agend? Two angels going all out can't even take out earth. Weaker One cannot be universal.

All we know is Gabriel is universe level (shown on screen) and Lucifer taught Gabriel everything Gabriel knows (making him also universe level). Simple as.

lol. no. He only worked on alternate dimensions, which block levelers can do.

And Naruto nor Sasuke can blitz OR seal Gabriel. Remember the 5 seconds from Pain. They're not that fast.

Yes, good point. remember five seconds from pein. They blitz gabriel very, very easily.

And Death claims he can kill God but he was enslaved by Lucifer and wasn't willing to fight God Castiel. So the claim isn't backed AT ALL.

Also half the Earth is actually>Moon by far. Just saying.

Not really. Half the earth's surface << moon. If they had destroyed half the earth, then it'd be okay. But half of it was still habitable, meaning surface wipe.

Also in character, Naruto nor Sasuke immediately for the seal. Especially about someone they don't know.

It's not like gabriel could ever keep up... One attempt fails, they go for the seal.

Two Angels have never TRIED to destroy Earth so your claim is off. That's like saying that Thor or Thanos can't destroy planets because when they fought, not even close to half the planet was destroyed.

Block levels can work in alternate dimensions and reality warp? Please point me to those block levels.

5 seconds from Pain just proves that they're slower than Gabriel. He can read minds and they've proven not to read even close to the speed of thought. From then he can merely teleport them into the sun or anywhere he feels like it or just keep teleporting so they can't touch him.

And no, naruto nor Sasuke go for the seal EVER in character. Nthey'd keep trying to attack him, and once they're mind is read, he snaps his fingers and they die/are trapped in a time loop/universe made by Gabriel.

And even worse, if you mix the universes, they literally can't harm Gabriel since they're not Archangel level. So he auto wins.

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@princearagorn1 said:

@darkraiden: We are talking about whether sealing works on planetary beings or not. Which it does. Half and entire moon >> Half surface wipers.

And no, it said the entire planet would be destroyed (it never happened). That's why they had to stop them from fighting.

... not really. It's either half the people dying in battle, or lucifer's rule. (Supernatural: the end)

But Gabriel's not planetary for one, he's universe level and sealing has never shown to work on planetary beings. Only Moon level. Moon level is far below planet level.

And Gabriel has shown things like teleporting people places (like Kaguya just did to Sasuke), having clones, telekinesis, telepathy, etc. so they're not gonna be doing much to him even if he decides NOT to reality warp for w/e reason. Only thing we've seen seal an Archangel is God and....pretty sure Naruto and Sasuke aren't omnipotent like he is.

when did he show universal feats?

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@darkraiden said:

@princearagorn1 said:

@darkraiden: We are talking about whether sealing works on planetary beings or not. Which it does. Half and entire moon >> Half surface wipers.

And no, it said the entire planet would be destroyed (it never happened). That's why they had to stop them from fighting.

... not really. It's either half the people dying in battle, or lucifer's rule. (Supernatural: the end)

But Gabriel's not planetary for one, he's universe level and sealing has never shown to work on planetary beings. Only Moon level. Moon level is far below planet level.

And Gabriel has shown things like teleporting people places (like Kaguya just did to Sasuke), having clones, telekinesis, telepathy, etc. so they're not gonna be doing much to him even if he decides NOT to reality warp for w/e reason. Only thing we've seen seal an Archangel is God and....pretty sure Naruto and Sasuke aren't omnipotent like he is.

when did he show universal feats?

He made a pocket/separate universe and placed Sam and Dean inside of it where his rules go. Plus he trapped Sam inside of a time loop. So that's at least planet-universal time manipulation.

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@darkraiden said:

@princearagorn1 said:

@darkraiden: We are talking about whether sealing works on planetary beings or not. Which it does. Half and entire moon >> Half surface wipers.

And no, it said the entire planet would be destroyed (it never happened). That's why they had to stop them from fighting.

... not really. It's either half the people dying in battle, or lucifer's rule. (Supernatural: the end)

But Gabriel's not planetary for one, he's universe level and sealing has never shown to work on planetary beings. Only Moon level. Moon level is far below planet level.

And Gabriel has shown things like teleporting people places (like Kaguya just did to Sasuke), having clones, telekinesis, telepathy, etc. so they're not gonna be doing much to him even if he decides NOT to reality warp for w/e reason. Only thing we've seen seal an Archangel is God and....pretty sure Naruto and Sasuke aren't omnipotent like he is.

when did he show universal feats?

He made a pocket/separate universe and placed Sam and Dean inside of it where his rules go. Plus he trapped Sam inside of a time loop. So that's at least planet-universal time manipulation.

so theres not a single feat which put him on universal level.

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Two Angels have never TRIED to destroy Earth so your claim is off. That's like saying that Thor or Thanos can't destroy planets because when they fought, not even close to half the planet was destroyed.

They fight all out, yet the planet is still standing. Thor has shattered planets by himself in the past. Even during fights (gorr), he has shattered worlds. Angels haven't. Useless example, or just lack of information on thor.

Angels never tried to blow up a planet, nor did naruto. Does that mean either is a planet buster? hell no.

Block levels can work in alternate dimensions and reality warp? Please point me to those block levels.

Yukio. for one. Alternate dimension isn't anything universal level, at all.

5 seconds from Pain just proves that they're slower than Gabriel. He can read minds and they've proven not to read even close to the speed of thought. From then he can merely teleport them into the sun or anywhere he feels like it or just keep teleporting so they can't touch him.

...#trollface...?

And no, naruto nor Sasuke go for the seal EVER in character. Nthey'd keep trying to attack him, and once they're mind is read, he snaps his fingers and they die/are trapped in a time loop/universe made by Gabriel.

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I underlined it so you wouldn't miss it. And presuming he has fingers left to snap.. he still is too slow to do anything before they seal him.

And even worse, if you mix the universes, they literally can't harm Gabriel since they're not Archangel level. So he auto wins.

Well, they are fighting a God right now. Mix the universes.

God >> Angel... Auto-win.

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Due to jobber, Gabriel gets shanked to Death from behind

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Gabriel if he doesn't job. You need holy fire or an archangel sword to properly hurt him, both specific items that neither of the Naruto peeps should have. He had to job to Lucifer because it would be a silly show if the big bad was killed by a side-character. So yes, realistically, Gabriel/Trickster should win.

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@darkraiden said:

@kenshirofistofwrath said:
@darkraiden said:

@princearagorn1 said:

@darkraiden: We are talking about whether sealing works on planetary beings or not. Which it does. Half and entire moon >> Half surface wipers.

And no, it said the entire planet would be destroyed (it never happened). That's why they had to stop them from fighting.

... not really. It's either half the people dying in battle, or lucifer's rule. (Supernatural: the end)

But Gabriel's not planetary for one, he's universe level and sealing has never shown to work on planetary beings. Only Moon level. Moon level is far below planet level.

And Gabriel has shown things like teleporting people places (like Kaguya just did to Sasuke), having clones, telekinesis, telepathy, etc. so they're not gonna be doing much to him even if he decides NOT to reality warp for w/e reason. Only thing we've seen seal an Archangel is God and....pretty sure Naruto and Sasuke aren't omnipotent like he is.

when did he show universal feats?

He made a pocket/separate universe and placed Sam and Dean inside of it where his rules go. Plus he trapped Sam inside of a time loop. So that's at least planet-universal time manipulation.

so theres not a single feat which put him on universal level.

Creating a universe and universal time manipulation aren't universe level?

@darkraiden:

Two Angels have never TRIED to destroy Earth so your claim is off. That's like saying that Thor or Thanos can't destroy planets because when they fought, not even close to half the planet was destroyed.

They fight all out, yet the planet is still standing. Thor has shattered planets by himself in the past. Even during fights (gorr), he has shattered worlds. Angels haven't. Useless example, or just lack of information on thor.

Angels never tried to blow up a planet, nor did naruto. Does that mean either is a planet buster? hell no.

Block levels can work in alternate dimensions and reality warp? Please point me to those block levels.

Yukio. for one. Alternate dimension isn't anything universal level, at all.

5 seconds from Pain just proves that they're slower than Gabriel. He can read minds and they've proven not to read even close to the speed of thought. From then he can merely teleport them into the sun or anywhere he feels like it or just keep teleporting so they can't touch him.

...#trollface...?

And no, naruto nor Sasuke go for the seal EVER in character. Nthey'd keep trying to attack him, and once they're mind is read, he snaps his fingers and they die/are trapped in a time loop/universe made by Gabriel.

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I underlined it so you wouldn't miss it. And presuming he has fingers left to snap.. he still is too slow to do anything before they seal him.

And even worse, if you mix the universes, they literally can't harm Gabriel since they're not Archangel level. So he auto wins.

Well, they are fighting a God right now. Mix the universes.

God >> Angel... Auto-win.

That's my point. Thor has shattered planets. But the collateral of his fights don't always destroy planets. Yet he's still a planet buster. Same as the Angels. We've seen them reality and time warp on a universal level. They're clearly universe level.

The difference between Yukio and Gabriel is that Gabriel also affects the current universe with reality warp and Yukio needs a medium. Gabriel doesn't. And Yukio would likely beat Naruto and Sasuke as well, but that's a different topic.

The sealing jutsu you're referring to is against a specific opponent in a specific situation where the only way they know how to beat her is sealing. AND we've never seen said sealing jutsu AND it's yet to work as far as we know. In every other fight, without prior knowledge and specific circumstance, they go for the KO or kill, not for sealing. context. it matters.

And...you're wrong. Angels have been shown to be >gods in Supernatural. Only THE God is >Angels, especially Archangels. And Kaguya's not a god. Just a tree.

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@joygirl: They don't have to hurt him to win. They could just seal him for the win.

He had to job to Lucifer because it would be a silly show if the big bad was killed by a side-character.

I know this is off-topic, but could gab really take on lucifer one on one? Just doesn't seem possible. Things would've been more interesting if he didn't get killed as soon as he entered the game though.

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@princearagorn1: They were both Archangels so I don't see why not. While Lucifer/Michael may have been slightly more powerful, Gabriel was clearly a lot more experienced and tricky with his powers, able to create whole alternative realities and dreamscapes at a whim, something Lucifer never really did (or at least never chose to do). Assuming the archangel blade would kill Lucifer, I don't see why Gabriel wouldn't be able to get him in a situation where he could stab him. The whole "I taught you all your best tricks" thing seemed pretty weak since Lucifer never showed any ability to do the things Gabriel could.

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#43  Edited By PrinceAragorn1

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That's my point. Thor has shattered planets. But the collateral of his fights don't always destroy planets. Yet he's still a planet buster. Same as the Angels.

The example is wrong. Thor has shattered planets. All angels put together haven't. The oh-so-impressive-Armageddon-fight of theirs wipes half a planet.

We've seen them reality and time warp on a universal level. They're clearly universe level.

what... lol.

The difference between Yukio and Gabriel is that Gabriel also affects the current universe with reality warp and Yukio needs a medium. Gabriel doesn't. And Yukio would likely beat Naruto and Sasuke as well, but that's a different topic.

Yukio's dimensional abilities are about as good as gabriel's. Yet he is a block level character.

While gabriel's reality warp in the universe is pathetic. Madara's warp is better than that, albeit he required eye sacrifice to bring himself back to life.

As for the off topic, yukio got curbstomped by shikai hitsugaya lol, he is fodder by current naruto standards.

The sealing jutsu you're referring to is against a specific opponent in a specific situation where the only way they know how to beat her is sealing. AND we've never seen said sealing jutsu AND it's yet to work as far as we know. In every other fight, without prior knowledge and specific circumstance, they go for the KO or kill, not for sealing. context. it matters.

They go for seal in-character as shown, and they will. GG. Presuming they

And...you're wrong. Angels have been shown to be > gods in Supernatural. Only THE God is >Angels, especially Archangels. And Kaguya's not a god. Just a tree.

Angels haven't shown to be greater than all gods of supernatural. Just a few. And when they were depowered.. so it's a useless showing. And the 'tree' has planetary and moon level showings. >> two archangels put together.

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@darkraiden:

That's my point. Thor has shattered planets. But the collateral of his fights don't always destroy planets. Yet he's still a planet buster. Same as the Angels.

The example is wrong. Thor has shattered planets. All angels put together haven't. The oh-so-impressive-Armageddon-fight of theirs wipes half a planet.

We've seen them reality and time warp on a universal level. They're clearly universe level.

what... lol.

The difference between Yukio and Gabriel is that Gabriel also affects the current universe with reality warp and Yukio needs a medium. Gabriel doesn't. And Yukio would likely beat Naruto and Sasuke as well, but that's a different topic.

Yukio's dimensional abilities are about as good as gabriel's. Yet he is a block level character.

While gabriel's reality warp in the universe is pathetic. Madara's warp is better than that, albeit he required eye sacrifice to bring himself back to life.

As for the off topic, yukio got curbstomped by shikai hitsugaya lol, he is fodder by current naruto standards.

The sealing jutsu you're referring to is against a specific opponent in a specific situation where the only way they know how to beat her is sealing. AND we've never seen said sealing jutsu AND it's yet to work as far as we know. In every other fight, without prior knowledge and specific circumstance, they go for the KO or kill, not for sealing. context. it matters.

They go for seal in-character as shown, and they will. GG. Presuming they

And...you're wrong. Angels have been shown to be > gods in Supernatural. Only THE God is >Angels, especially Archangels. And Kaguya's not a god. Just a tree.

Angels haven't shown to be greater than all gods of supernatural. Just a few. And when they were depowered.. so it's a useless showing. And the 'tree' has planetary and moon level showings. >> two archangels put together.

I know. The Thor example is my entire point. Angels have shown universal reality warp. So their fight not destroying 100% of the planet doesn't diminsh their universal level feats.

Yukio's reality warp is much worse. He hasn't shown time loops, he hasn't turned someone into a car, he needs a medium (Gabriel doesn't) and he hasn't brought fictional characters to life as Gabriel has. so you're wrong. And Yukio also doesn't have the ability to teleport others, teleport himself, insane durability, and immortality that Gabriel has.

They don't go for seal in character though. Only against Kaguya. Against Madara they tried to kill him. Against 3rd Raikage, Naruto tried Rasenshuriken and speed. Against Tobi he tried rasengan, against Muu he just fought, etc. Same with Sasuke. He's never ever shown a sealing technique nor has he ever tried to seal anyone in any of his battles except for Kaguya which is a special circumstance. So it's a 20-1 showing that says they don't try to seal in character.

Wrong....Archangels have shown to kill Gods. It's a fact. And that tree has 0 planetary or moon showings. In fact the only moon showing BEAT the tree. So you're wrong again. And reality warp on a universal level+time manipulation on the same level>>>anything the Naruto Universe has done. Ever.

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#45  Edited By PrinceAragorn1

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I know. The Thor example is my entire point. Angels have shown universal reality warp. So their fight not destroying 100% of the planet doesn't diminsh their universal level feats.

Yes. Thor shattered planets. During combat, too. Angels highest battle, and any other fight to date isn't even planetary.

Universe level wth. They don't do anything even close to planet scale.

Yukio's reality warp is much worse. He hasn't shown time loops, he hasn't turned someone into a car, he needs a medium (Gabriel doesn't) and he hasn't brought fictional characters to life as Gabriel has. so you're wrong. And Yukio also doesn't have the ability to teleport others, teleport himself, insane durability, and immortality that Gabriel has.

Yukio doesn't have reality warp. He has dimensional abilities, creating five dimensions instantly. And he's not even block level. Yes, he lacks the other hax that gabriel has, but it's not relevant. Dimensional showings have nothing to do with in universe power.

They don't go for seal in character though. Only against Kaguya. Against Madara they tried to kill him. Against 3rd Raikage, Naruto tried Rasenshuriken and speed. Against Tobi he tried rasengan, against Muu he just fought, etc. Same with Sasuke. He's never ever shown a sealing technique nor has he ever tried to seal anyone in any of his battles except for Kaguya which is a special circumstance. So it's a 20-1 showing that says they don't try to seal in character.

That's the only serious fight they have in their current version. So it's 1 to 0.

Wrong....Archangels have shown to kill Gods. It's a fact.

Yes, after they lost their powers. lol. When did they face God at full power?

And that tree has 0 planetary or moon showings. In fact the only moon showing BEAT the tree. So you're wrong again.

The tree ate people from the entire planet. And the moon showing was needed to stop just the shell of the tree. Both >> half-planet-surface level archangels.

And reality warp on a universal level+time manipulation on the same level>>>anything the Naruto Universe has done. Ever.

Agreed.

But we're talking characters who might fry a fourth of the surface here. lol. Random statement is random.

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I know. The Thor example is my entire point. Angels have shown universal reality warp. So their fight not destroying 100% of the planet doesn't diminsh their universal level feats.

Yes. Thor shattered planets. During combat, too. Angels highest battle, and any other fight to date isn't even planetary.

Universe level wth. They don't do anything even close to planet scale.

Yukio's reality warp is much worse. He hasn't shown time loops, he hasn't turned someone into a car, he needs a medium (Gabriel doesn't) and he hasn't brought fictional characters to life as Gabriel has. so you're wrong. And Yukio also doesn't have the ability to teleport others, teleport himself, insane durability, and immortality that Gabriel has.

Yukio doesn't have reality warp. He has dimensional abilities, creating five dimensions instantly. And he's not even block level. Yes, he lacks the other hax that gabriel has, but it's not relevant. Dimensional showings have nothing to do with in universe power.

They don't go for seal in character though. Only against Kaguya. Against Madara they tried to kill him. Against 3rd Raikage, Naruto tried Rasenshuriken and speed. Against Tobi he tried rasengan, against Muu he just fought, etc. Same with Sasuke. He's never ever shown a sealing technique nor has he ever tried to seal anyone in any of his battles except for Kaguya which is a special circumstance. So it's a 20-1 showing that says they don't try to seal in character.

That's the only serious fight they have in their current version. So it's 1 to 0.

Wrong....Archangels have shown to kill Gods. It's a fact.

Yes, after they lost their powers. lol. When did they face God at full power?

And that tree has 0 planetary or moon showings. In fact the only moon showing BEAT the tree. So you're wrong again.

The tree ate people from the entire planet. And the moon showing was needed to stop just the shell of the tree. Both >> half-planet-surface level archangels.

And reality warp on a universal level+time manipulation on the same level>>>anything the Naruto Universe has done. Ever.

Agreed.

But we're talking characters who barely fry a fourth of the surface here. lol.

Angels have shown universal reality warp. You can try and lowball all you want, but that's what's been shown.

Yukio doesn't have reality warp? Then why even mention him? He's irrelevant here.

And no, Naruto and Sasuke in current versions also fought Madara. No sealing was attempted. And they were losing. So that'd be 1-1. And since their current powers mean NOTHING to their personality, the other 30 fights they've had would also count since...you know they're the same people. So still 31-1

Pretty sure the Gods didn't lose their powers completely. Plus we saw Zeus later on at full power and he wasn't close to Gabriel's level.

Eating people from the planet isn't planetary. Sorry. It's just eating a weak human level being multiple times. That's not impressive at all.

And wrong again. We have no idea what is needed. All we know is that Moon>Tree and Kaguya since it sealed her.

And Angels have shown reality warp on universal level. You do realize that even if you could only destroy a wall....it literally has nothing to do with how much you can reality warp. Look at Franklin Richards, he's never destroyed....well anything impressive, yet he can universal reality warp. Gabriel is like that but much more impressive.

And it's 1/2 of Earth when the combatants specifically don't want to destroy the Earth as Lucifer stated. Which is still more impressive than anything anyone in Naruto has shown.

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@darkraiden:

Angels have shown universal reality warp. You can try and lowball all you want, but that's what's been shown.

kaguya has multiversal reality warp. You can try and lowball all you want, but that's what's been shown.

See? making up rubbish is pretty easy.

Yukio doesn't have reality warp? Then why even mention him? He's irrelevant here.

Creating dimensions and putting people in it =/= universal level. It's not even block level.

And no, Naruto and Sasuke in current versions also fought Madara. No sealing was attempted. And they were losing. So that'd be 1-1. And since their current powers mean NOTHING to their personality, the other 30 fights they've had would also count since...you know they're the same people. So still 31-1

Considering madara TP'd the planet, they had their hands full. And whether you like it or not, they go for sealing in-character as shown.

Pretty sure the Gods didn't lose their powers completely.

Not at full power.

Plus we saw Zeus later on at full power and he wasn't close to Gabriel's level.

Full power? heck no.

Eating people from the planet isn't planetary. Sorry. It's just eating a weak human level being multiple times. That's not impressive at all.

Absorbing populace of the world..Still more impressive than half a surface level archangels. And there were two of them lolol.

And wrong again. We have no idea what is needed. All we know is that Moon>Tree and Kaguya since it sealed her.

Moon > Shell of tree.

And Angels have shown reality warp on universal level. You do realize that even if you could only destroy a wall....it literally has nothing to do with how much you can reality warp. Look at Franklin Richards, he's never destroyed....well anything impressive, yet he can universal reality warp. Gabriel is like that but much more impressive.

Franklin took on celestials. Any naruto character, much less the archangels, are worth comparing to him.

And it's 1/2 of Earth when the combatants specifically don't want to destroy the Earth as Lucifer stated. Which is still more impressive than anything anyone in Naruto has shown.

Half a planet's surface (two archangels) << full planet surface (tree) << volume of moon (dying sage)

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@darkraiden:

Angels have shown universal reality warp. You can try and lowball all you want, but that's what's been shown.

kaguya has multiversal reality warp. You can try and lowball all you want, but that's what's been shown.

See? making up rubbish is pretty easy.

Yukio doesn't have reality warp? Then why even mention him? He's irrelevant here.

Creating dimensions and putting people in it =/= universal level. It's not even block level.

And no, Naruto and Sasuke in current versions also fought Madara. No sealing was attempted. And they were losing. So that'd be 1-1. And since their current powers mean NOTHING to their personality, the other 30 fights they've had would also count since...you know they're the same people. So still 31-1

Considering madara TP'd the planet, they had their hands full. And whether you like it or not, they go for sealing in-character as shown.

Pretty sure the Gods didn't lose their powers completely.

Not at full power.

Plus we saw Zeus later on at full power and he wasn't close to Gabriel's level.

Full power? heck no.

Eating people from the planet isn't planetary. Sorry. It's just eating a weak human level being multiple times. That's not impressive at all.

Absorbing populace of the world..Still more impressive than half a surface level archangels. And there were two of them lolol.

And wrong again. We have no idea what is needed. All we know is that Moon>Tree and Kaguya since it sealed her.

Moon > Shell of tree.

And Angels have shown reality warp on universal level. You do realize that even if you could only destroy a wall....it literally has nothing to do with how much you can reality warp. Look at Franklin Richards, he's never destroyed....well anything impressive, yet he can universal reality warp. Gabriel is like that but much more impressive.

Franklin took on celestials. Any naruto character, much less the archangels, are worth comparing to him.

And it's 1/2 of Earth when the combatants specifically don't want to destroy the Earth as Lucifer stated. Which is still more impressive than anything anyone in Naruto has shown.

Half a planet's surface (two archangels) << full planet surface (tree) << volume of moon (dying sage)

Kaguya has 0 reality warp. All she can do is teleport so far.

Madara didn't TP anyone. The tree connected to everyone and put them into a genjutsu. That's literally not reflective of Madara or even the Tree's abilities. That's just normal genjutsu put with more "hands"/media to connect to people.

Yeah they fought zeus at full power. So wrong again.

Absorbing chakra from normal people isn't even impressive. Especially since this "world" consists of 5 countries.

Moon>Tree we know.

Franklin only defended from Celestials. Offensively he's done LESS than Gabriel actually.

Half a planet's surface>>> Moon's surface (since it's hollow in this verse)&genjutsu'ing (not even destroying) 5-8 countries.

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#49  Edited By rcranium

@princearagorn1: You do realize that they're not trying to destroy the planet? The half a planet destruction is just a byproduct of their fight. They could both easily destroy a planet and most likely far more. Reality warping trumps anything the duo can do.

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@princearagorn1: if that sealing is strong enough to hold an archangel though.

considering they're trying to seal kaguya right now, I don't see why not.

is this she a reality warper?