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#1 Posted by PriestofSodom (66 posts) - - Show Bio
  • Sage of Six Paths - Naruto and Sasuke
  • The Last Toneri

  • Fused Momoshiki

    VS

  • EOS Ichigo

  • Yamamoto

  • Monster Aizen

  • Sequnda Etapa Ulquiorra


    Energy equalization

    Morals OFF


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#2 Posted by Hulkage (5322 posts) - - Show Bio

Everyone on team one solos

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#3 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (2315 posts) - - Show Bio

If you want a good flame war you should have added Yhwach.

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#4 Edited by AntitheticalOpinion (187 posts) - - Show Bio

@priestofsodom: Replace ichigo and ulq with Ywach and Ichibei, then we have a fight.

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#5 Edited by OriginalCaptain (3801 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto Team.

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#6 Posted by Thenewguysnm1 (6967 posts) - - Show Bio

If you want a good flame war you should have added Yhwach.

^^^

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#7 Posted by WorldofRuin6 (864 posts) - - Show Bio

@hulkage said:

Everyone on team one solos

This as long as they dont slip up and touch Yammas sword while in bankai.

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#8 Posted by uchihaghost (317 posts) - - Show Bio

Ulqioura 😂😂😂 lmao, he wont even get the chance to run away, team naruto neg diff, any of them can solo.

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#9 Edited by JOVIOLMA (3731 posts) - - Show Bio

Even Toneri who is a glass canon would stomp they all, LOL,

Sasuke and Naruto Solos.

Momo and Toneri just laugh in the background.

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#10 Posted by B_r023 (4445 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma said:

Even Toneri who is a glass canon would stomp they all, LOL,

Sasuke and Naruto Solos.

Momo and Toneri just laugh in the background.

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#11 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (2315 posts) - - Show Bio

None of them are on par with Ichigo in physical strength and that’s facts. Make it EoS Aizen and they win Handily.

If Yhwach couldn’t get out of KS with his almighty no one here is and Ichigo would just rip them in half while they’re in KS.

This is only if you use logic though. I know when it comes to Naruto VS bleach logic is thrown out the window.

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#12 Posted by Adi_Frost (544 posts) - - Show Bio

@leothegreatest: Debatable.

Yhwach has no tp resistance feats.

Logic that only you have but no one else I guess. smh

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#13 Edited by deactivated-5bb52f8f25413 (7026 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol, team 1 stomps.

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#14 Edited by JOVIOLMA (3731 posts) - - Show Bio

None of them are on par with Ichigo in physical strength and that’s facts.

Naruto's Kurama Avatar was blocking slices and matching punches with Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o(This after mastering his Rinnegan and that was a Sasuke trying to kill him).

Sasuke Susano'o(Before mastering the Rinnegan) was casually slicing Chibaku Tenseis Planetoids comparable to the Planet's curvature with casual swings, those debris were dwarfing Mountain ranges.

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Chibaku Tenseis are just Small Satellites that possess GBE and Sasuke's Susano'o easily sliced that like butter with a casual swing of his sword overwhelming the GBE, and yet, his PS and KA were comparable in strength. This by far, carries better AP than anything that Ichigo have based on feats :P, and if you wanna apply calcs and pixels(like Kenpachi's meteor feat), Naruto destroying those meteors was calculated as Multi-Continental + to Moon Level(This without taking account the GBE of the CTs), so is better we only use feats and ignore the pixels calcs :P

About Toneri.......... Well, claim that Ichigo have better Physical than him is kind of funny, LOL, this guy effortless swing a sword that cut the Moon and half and split her, based on the impact that the sword produced when touched the ground is pretty obviously that she was indeed heavy and Toneri moved that pretty casually though, even if you say that was a energy sword so shouldn't have weight, still a physical feat though, and tbh, I don't remember Ichigo doing nothing comparable to this :/

Also, should be noted that the Moon have a atmosphere and gravity similar to the Earth, so logically was harder to slice, this without taking account GBE.

Make it EoS Aizen and they win Handily.

Let me guess..... with KS ? You that KS is just like a basic genjutsu in the Narutoverse right ? Heck, Sasuke's Rinnegan can counter the IT a genjutsu that can affect people in a Planetary Range and he wasn't affect by this, I fail to see how this is supposed to work on him :P

If Yhwach couldn’t get out of KS with his almighty no one here is and Ichigo would just rip them in half while they’re in KS.

So just because Yhwach was controlled 2 times by KS, that means no one in Narutoverse can counter ? LOL, just because the strongest guy in the verse lacks TP resistance don't mean that the ones in the Narutoverse would be affect, Genins are trained to free themselves from genjutsu since Part 1 and Sasuke's Rinnegan is immune against IT, I fail to see how Aizen can even put Sasuke in a genin level TP, when he already faced worst.

About Yhwach, that's just proves that his Almighty have low resistance against TP, nothing more though.

This is only if you use logic though. I know when it comes to Naruto VS bleach logic is thrown out the window.

If you use logic, rl logic, pixels and fan-calcs, Naruto Team stomps hard every single round. But I kind of agree, sadly,and for some stupid reasons, most of the users deny scale from Bleach, I remember when they said that Ichigo shouldn't scale to Kenpachi's Meteor Feat.

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#15 Edited by LeoTheGreatest (2315 posts) - - Show Bio

@adi_frost:

Making abilities “your allies” aka power nullification is above their TP resistance.

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#16 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (2315 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma:

Oh great a heap of wank.

“Comparable to the planets curvature” is just BS they are fighting in one of Narutos smallest countries meaning the other countries must be floating in space right?

Slicing those meteors isn’t more impressive than Kenpachi meteor bust who is foddder to ichigo. Don’t know how you got those ridiculous calls for Naruto but I’m not surprised also notice I said physical strength and TSBRS isn’t physical.

Don’t know why you’re referring to the moon as a girl but yeah it’s a sword comprised of TSB obviously not a complelty physical feat and you know this.

The moon was also smaller than ours since all those chunks were surrounding the planet and it was hollow.

Nah only reason Sasuke countered it wasn’t because he had the perfect plot armor rinnengan. Yhwach hasn’t power nullification that wasn’t strong enough to counter Ichibeis hax but couldn’t break through KS that’s more impressive.

Eh you base you calcs off the “curvature of the planet” and small mountains that Sasukes susanoo must be Bigger than those mountains becuase it towered over meteor debree lmao

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#17 Posted by theonlytruth (1400 posts) - - Show Bio

Team one rather easily,the only real threat here is yamamato

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#18 Edited by JOVIOLMA (3731 posts) - - Show Bio

@leothegreatest said:

@joviolma:

Oh great a heap of wank.

Mate, call someone a wanker, when you are the guy that said that Ichigo is Multi-Planetary is not going to help though :/

Is just BS they are fighting in one of Narutos smallest countries meaning the other countries must be floating in space right?

The Country as far I'm concerned was comparable to Bulgaria, so I don't really care the size though, I only bring something that the Manga let pretty visible, the Meteors are visible from the curvature, those meteors are formed from the Mass of this Country, and your last sentence don't makes sense.

Slicing those meteors isn’t more impressive than Kenpachi meteor bust who is foddder to ichigo.

Sure it is, Chibaku Tenseis are meteors that possess Gravitational Binding Energy and Sasuke sliced that like it was made of butter, which means that he overwhelmed the GBE of those satellites.

InB4 Country Buster Kenny :)

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Seretei(IIRC) was stated to have 400 Ri, so 400 Ri = 120 miles. Which means that the diameter of Seireitei is around 190 KM.

http://impact.ese.ic.ac.uk/cgi-bin/crater.cgi?dist=1&distanceUnits=1&diam=21&diameterUnits=2&pdens=&pdens_select=3000&vel=11&velocityUni

You only need a meteor of 21 KM to destroy Seretei :P

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Science/Asteroids.html

9.3 Gigatons of energy to destroy this Meteor.

Conclusion= Kenpachi's feat is only Island Level :)

If you want to bring the calc where Seretei was calculated to have 916.74 diameter

let's multiple the feat for the and the energy still only 90.3 Gigatons :/ Bijuu Bombs were vaporizing Mountains, the energy necessary to vaporize a mountain of 3km of Diameter is 84 Gigatons :), and the Juubi was destroying Multiple Mountains countries away.

Don’t know how you got those ridiculous calls for Naruto but I’m not surprised also notice I said physical strength and TSBRS isn’t physical.

Manga feats= Ridiculous calls now ? LOL, I will wait to see any proof in the manga putting Ichigo as Multi-Planet Level and Kenny as Country that doesn't take no fan-calc into account.

And care to elaborate, how the h3ll moving a sword comparable in height with Moon that produced immense impact when hit the ground is not a physical feat to being with ? Yes sure, Toneri didn't accomplished this punching something but he needed to swing the sword to accomplish this feat.

Don’t know why you’re referring to the moon as a girl but yeah it’s a sword comprised of TSB obviously not a complelty physical feat and you know this.

The moon was also smaller than ours since all those chunks were surrounding the planet and it was hollow.

The Moon is not smaller, as a matter of fact, the Asteroid belts surrounding the Moon are pretty big, and multiple times we saw that the Moon have absolutely no difference even after lost multiples chunks that were surrounding Earth meaning that she was indeed pretty big.

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Also, the idea of the Moon being Hollow was already debunked by the Databook and by a User called MudaMudaMuda in the past, I will just copy paste, and I want to warn that I'm not the one that write this, so th

e credit goes to him ;)

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Remember that when Naruto and co first reached the moon, the first thing they could notice is that some islands looked like they were floating "because the sea was distorted", along with the fact that the island was perfectly visible. This is a clear indicator that the curvature of the hollow portion they were in was fairly sharp which goes to show that the hollow portion of the moon is relatively small in size because otherwise they would be unable to even see all the way to the other side.

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One could argue that they are able to see all the way to the other side of the moon because they were closer to that side, however this is easily refuted by the fact that when Shikamaru looked up, the artificial sun was neither perfectly above or behind them, it was somewhere in front of them.

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So clearly they were on the far side compared to that island, only, with something as huge as the moon it would be completely impossible for them to see that island so big and clear from so far away if the hollow area covered the entire inner layers of the moon, unless that island was something as large as a country, and that without even taking into the clouds that could obstruct their vision.

The distance between where Naruto and co were standing and where the artificial sun was placed is far too small to cover even 5% of the radius of the moon.

The first justification for this, is Hinata's byakugan reach which was stated to be around 20kms, however Sai was surprised for why Hinata could not locate Toneri's caste inside the artificial sun thus confirming that they were within 20km of the Tenseigan when Hinata was with them and according to Shikamaru the reason for that is that the barrier is able to prevent the Byakugan from looking through, further confirming that being out of reach was not an option.

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So from this we know for a fact that the distance between the center of the hollow curvature and Naruto and co can at max be in the 20km range (Possibly even less).

Such a distance seem the most reasonable considering how clear the curvature of the moon was compared to forests when Toneri split it :

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The second reason is how fast Shikamaru and Sai were able to fly from the artificial sun to ground level while starting the attack against the defense system

Watch the Movie from 54:50 to 54:55 that distance couldn't have been more than a few miles at most. So this pretty much confirms that the hollow portion of the moon is negligible in volume.

Thee is yet another problem here : The location of the artificial sun was not specified.

Because while it is true that it is placed at the center of the hollow portion of the moon, nothing indicates that it must actually be placed at the center of the actual moon. Remember that when Toneri activate a new Tenseigan he started moving the moon again even though he was standing on the surface of the moon and nowhere near close to it's center.

Additionally the previous statements about the Tenseigan shrine being the center of the moon don't seem close to matching how big the center of the Moon should be. Keep in mind that were are talking something that should be in the 200KM large in just it's radius which is very clearly nowhere near how big the artificial sun was. This is the overview of the artificial sun from when Naruto and co got inside :

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You can even see Toneri's castle from where Naruto and co were entering from. Here is a close up of the castle (top right) :

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111210761/4899735-3559295482-48930.jpg

And this is how big the castle was compared to Hinata:

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It looks like it would be in the 150m-600m high, yet there it is fully visible to Naruto and co inside the sphere, which obviously would be impossible if they were 200km away. And judging by the size of the castle (assuming it is 150m high and using a bit of pixel scaling) we got the diameter of the artificial sun to be around 6 km large :

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111210761/4899757-4894319-67.jpg

Using 600 m high would be 24 Km

So judging by all of the above we know that the diameter of the hollowed portion of the moon (Diameter of artificial sun + Forest-like area) is roughly 40+ 12 = 62 km which is a decently large area for people to live in but still extremely small compared to the sheer size of the moon (not even as large as the core).

If you take account the 24 Km thing, wouldn't even be large as the core as well :P

I left this for last because I needed to establish the above facts before getting into it (in order not to be too confusing).

The justification is really simple there is no real reason to assume that the hollow portion of the cave was located at the center of the moon (that wouldn't even make sense in fact since that area is liquefied), for all we know it could have been placed far closer to to the surface in the side facing Earth. Because let's be honest, I don't think that Hamura and the Otsutuski would want to cross 1700+ km each time they want to watch Earth from their location.

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Leaving that aside though and looking at the movie as a whole, it would be completely impossible for the crust of the moon o be only 1 km deep and this for 2 reasons :

First, we have seen that massive debris were breaking from the moon and falling towards Earth, at some point they even formed a ring around the planet, so how is it possible for a 1 km thick mantle to lose so much mass and yet for the moon to look relatively unaffected in total ?

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Second, the whole plot of the movie was about Toneri wanting to destroy Earth by crashing the moon. It wouldn't make any sense for a hollow moon to be able to destroy Earth, especially not one with a 1 km thick mantel.

Anyway, that's the main idea, I hope I was clear enough. :)

Nah only reason Sasuke countered it wasn’t because he had the perfect plot armor rinnengan.

So your answer is plot, and not Sasuke's Rinnegan is immune to this kind of TP ? LOL, I could apply the same logic and claim that Kenny's Meteor feat was plot as well, conclusion, let's not deny what was stated in the manga multiple times, Sasuke have resistance against TP with his Rinnegan.

Yhwach hasn’t power nullification that wasn’t strong enough to counter Ichibeis hax but couldn’t break through KS that’s more impressive.

Is not. KS, is in the same level as basic genjutsu, controls the Five Sense and the perception of time, even genin level ninjas can do that :/

Eh you base you calcs off the “curvature of the planet” and small mountains that Sasukes susanoo must be Bigger than those mountains becuase it towered over meteor debree lmao

Sasuke wasn't even visible while he was slicing the mountains, not to mention that the Mountains are draw multiple times in inconsistent ways.

Some example that comes to mind is Naruto size being almost invisible from long distances.

You can't even see him from there.
You can't even see him from there.

And in some chapters later.........

http://i.imgur.com/Jqti7l4

You can even see that he is comparable to Kurama's mouth so he should have a considerable size to those mountains :/

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#19 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (2315 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma:

I’ve never called ichigo Multi planetary.

No it’s smaller than that and the curvature made no sense because if you use the curvature that means the other countries are in space which a greaat argument. Don’t know what you’re saying you can’t read.

Huh? The gravitational binding energy is gone as soon as he finishes forming them and Bee, Naruto and Itachi overpowered that garavitational bonding energy before.

Aw that’s cute buddy use that obvious error to lowball everything. Throughout the series they've used Japanese ri that’s the only instance where Chinese Ri was used. So those calcs mean nothing mountain level is old in bleach Ulquiorra would be Multi mountain with his casual Lanza in Naruto.

I never called ichigo Multi planetary but there are multiple instances where he can be scaled to be around that level which I won’t get into it’s not necessary. And Kenny is definitely on that level.

A sword comprised of TSB energy not just some sword.

So you’re just going to I ignore that it’s obviously smaller becuase it still looks whole?

What databook entry? We see how massive the space inside the moon is.

It’s immune to rinnengan TP that’s what we’re shown. IIRC Aizen hasn’t revealed his Rinnengan yet and he’s only been using KS so that’s doesn’t apply here buddy.

Only Genjutsu that also controls perception of time as well is Tsukuyomi but nice attempt to lowball an ability that even the Almighty’s Power Nullifcation couldn’t overcome.

Yeah they have massive inconsistencies and yet you choose to highball them.

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#20 Posted by Thenewguysnm1 (6967 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1

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#21 Posted by TheVivas (18570 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1 stomps hard. Not sure why people still choose to engage Leo, one of the biggest trolls to come out of the Bleach fandom in the past year.

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#22 Edited by JOVIOLMA (3731 posts) - - Show Bio

@leothegreatest said:

@joviolma:

I’ve never called ichigo Multi planetary.

I think I'm crazy now.

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Come on man, you shouldn't be ashamed by claim this, tbh, I also called Naruto Planet Level in the past and I also think that I was a huge naruto wanker, but you call me a wanker and deny the claims that you made in the past, doesn't looks fair though.

No it’s smaller than that and the curvature made no sense because if you use the curvature that means the other countries are in space which a greaat argument. Don’t know what you’re saying you can’t read.

How the heck that means that the other countries are in space to being with ? Tbh, something like that looks right considering that the Country was small though.

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Huh? The gravitational binding energy is gone as soon as he finishes forming them and Bee, Naruto and Itachi overpowered that garavitational bonding energy before.

The GBE still there, if that was the case, the Moon would have absolutely no gravity after being complete which was proved wrong considering that even thousands of years she still pretty fine, the only that happened is that the Gravitational orb stopped to suck the landscape, and if we follow Pain's statement the user can increase the size of the CT if he wishes.

About Bee, Itachi and Naruto, they simple destroy the Orb before she create any planetoid, as a matter of fact, the Planetoids created by Nagato are smaller than Madara's CTs though.

Aw that’s cute buddy use that obvious error to lowball everything. Throughout the series they've used Japanese ri that’s the only instance where Chinese Ri was used. So those calcs mean nothing mountain level is old in bleach Ulquiorra would be Multi mountain with his casual Lanza in Naruto.

AoE=/= DC, as a matter of fact, like a user already explained in another thread sometime ago, Tsar Bomb can produce 50 Megatons of TNT, and she would destroy this Area if dropped on England.

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Bijuudamas can vaporize entire Mountains, the energy necessary to accomplish this feat is between the Gigatons which is far above the Tsar Bomb that would engulf this entire area. So even if I accept the Country level Ulquiorra, the only thing that he have is Country Level AoE.

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  • 22 Megatons to break the mountains into 10 meter sized fragments.
  • 16.9 Gigatons to melt it.
  • 84.4 Gigatons to vaporize it

I never called ichigo Multi planetary but there are multiple instances where he can be scaled to be around that level which I won’t get into it’s not necessary.

He can't though.

And Kenny is definitely on that level.

Country Level ? No he is not.

A sword comprised of TSB energy not just some sword.

TSBs lost their disintegration power when they change their form, Toneri's SWRE didn't kill Naruto's friends, and the cage that he created with one didn't disintegrate Hinata.

The sword also produced impact when hit the ground proving that she was indeed pretty heavy which still a physical feat, and Toneri moved that without breaking a sweat with one hand.

So you’re just going to I ignore that it’s obviously smaller becuase it still looks whole?

''Obviously''

There is nothing indicating that he Moon is smaller though, so your ''obviously''have no value. And answering your question yes, you can even see that one of the Asteroids is behind the Earth and yet still having a considerable size, far above Island Size though.

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What databook entry? We see how massive the space inside the moon is.

You have any idea how big the Moon is to being with ? Heck, just the core would be able to house an entire civilization without any problem, and like I showed to you based on everything, that Hollow portion would barely be in the same size as the Moon's core.

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The same Databook that never said anything about a Hollow Moon, actually the Databook said that the Otsutsuki clan was living in the surface of the Moon, proving that the hole that they are living are not that ''Massive'' like you stated.

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Which to be honest, doesn't looks wrong based on the hole that Naruto created.

Doesn't looks that big, so this kind of proves that they are really close to the Moon's surface :/
Doesn't looks that big, so this kind of proves that they are really close to the Moon's surface :/

It’s immune to rinnengan TP that’s what we’re shown.

Fair enough, but I don't remember to deny this, my point is that the later can resist a TP that works in a Planetary Range.

IIRC Aizen hasn’t revealed his Rinnengan.

I still waiting for this chapter of the manga, oh wait....

yet and he’s only been using KS so that’s doesn’t apply here buddy.

Only Genjutsu that also controls perception of time as well is Tsukuyomi but nice attempt to lowball an ability that even the Almighty’s Power Nullifcation couldn’t overcome.

Affect the perception of time was a thing that even a normal genjutsu did on Danzo.

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Sasuke already resisted Tsukuyomi so I'm not getting your point :/ also I fail to see how this is supposed to be impressive, and simple means that Almighty's PN have poor TP resistance though, just because is a very strong ability in Bleach doesn't means that is supposed to mean anything in other verses, control the Five senses of someone is a thing that even basic genjutsu can do as well affecting someone without they notice, and ninjas in Naruto can easily free themselves from illusions.

Aizen: I believe you're already well aware.

The power of my Kyouka Suigetsu is ''complete hypnosis''

At any given time I can control all of the five senses and cause you to see anything I desire.

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Yeah they have massive inconsistencies and yet you choose to highball them.

Yeah, sure, post scans and feats of a character supported by visual and dialogue= Highball him.

So far I only complained about the mountains inconsistent size not their feats :/

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#23 Posted by B_r023 (4445 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma:

Oh great a heap of wank.

Rich coming from the guy who claimed Ichigo to multi-planatery. You mate, are the biggest wanker on the planet 😂😂

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#24 Posted by JOVIOLMA (3731 posts) - - Show Bio

@b_r023: Have you ever debate with a FT wanker to being with ? They think that Acno is Planetary and Erza is Light-Speed/FTL, lol.

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#25 Edited by B_r023 (4445 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma: I once argued with a guy who thought Ichigo could slap around SSJ3 Goku and one that claimed Luffy was moon level and Gold Roger would be Zeno level. And one Naruto wanker who claimed Naruto is multi-dimensional since he punched limbo which existed in a different reality. IMO, Hst has the worst wanking fanbase on this site, the guy you have the pleasure of arguing with is the proof of that 😂😂.

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#26 Posted by JOVIOLMA (3731 posts) - - Show Bio

@b_r023 said:

@joviolma: I once argued with a guy who thought Ichigo could slap around SSJ3 Goku and one that claimed Luffy was moon level and Gold Roger would be Zeno level. And one Naruto wanker who claimed Naruto is multi-dimensional since he punched limbo which existed in a different reality. IMO, Hst has the worst wanking fanbase on this site, the guy you have the pleasure of arguing with is the proof of that 😂😂.

Lol, now punch a ghost made you Multi-Dimensional, I think that the Ghostbusters are Multi-Dimensional as well, lol.

About Leo, I'm simple complaining about the fact that he said that Ichigo is physically stronger than SP Naruto and Sasuke, and Toneri, LOL.

But tbh, I was a wanker in the past so if I keep judging people I would be pretty hypocrite though, actually if you want to see my wank in the past, you can see the Raditz vs Sasuke thread, where I said that Sasuke is planetary, Lmao.

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#27 Posted by AlexTheBoss (14266 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto team, especially with morals off. They just bombard the bleach team.

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#28 Posted by B_r023 (4445 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma: Jesus mate 😂. At least you are cured now, unlike a certain someone.

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#29 Posted by Jatom22 (1600 posts) - - Show Bio

u make naruto all high tiers and put ulquiorra on the bleach team?

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#30 Posted by JOVIOLMA (3731 posts) - - Show Bio

@b_r023 said:

@joviolma: Jesus mate 😂. At least you are cured now, unlike a certain someone.

LOL, tbh, I also think that 90 % of my posts in my first months are BS and shouldn't be taken seriously, at least related to Naruto, actually just check what is written in my profile's wall

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I also don't think that Leo can be considered a wanker, if you take into account that I already saw people claiming that Yhwach is Universal and Omnipotent+Omniscient.

I also remember someone claiming that LDR is Moon Level

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#31 Posted by Jatom22 (1600 posts) - - Show Bio

need feats for momoshki but that would require me watching boruto. Probably not worth it

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#33 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (2315 posts) - - Show Bio

@b_r023:

I stated ways they could be on that level and they make sense it’s not my fault you don’t like the characters.

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#34 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (2315 posts) - - Show Bio

@thevivas:

Keep my name out of your mouth. Troll.

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#35 Posted by Jatom22 (1600 posts) - - Show Bio

monster aizen also jeez

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#36 Posted by B_r023 (4445 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma:

@thevivas:

Keep my name out of your mouth. Troll.

You know, not a single thread goes by where you don't insult people, calling them wankers and trolls. Funny thing is, it' always the one of who calls others trolls that is the troll himself. If you were right, which you aren't, you wouldn't feel the need to insult people to make your point. Don't you agree Jovio man?

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#37 Edited by LeoTheGreatest (2315 posts) - - Show Bio

@b_r023:

I’m not a troll but he likes to call me that because he doesn’t like my claims. So I call him a troll becuase I don’t like his claims either. But ehh I don’t insult people unless I’m insulted first.

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#38 Edited by JOVIOLMA (3731 posts) - - Show Bio

@b_r023:

I don't really care if he is insulting me though, I think Irritate others....

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#39 Edited by LeoTheGreatest (2315 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma:

Where in that does that say “ichigo is Multi planetary” I was talking about how they could be at that level but I know Author Intention doesn’t mean anything to you. And I didn’t call you a wanker I said what was coming was a heap of wank but I guess I could’ve chose other words.

Exactly the country is small so why do we see it so large there? Makes no sense.

The meteors aren’t as big as the moon...lmao. it’s also never stated that they have that energy remaining. They still have that same energy.

I didn’t say country level Ulq but he’s definitely Multi-mountain. By just going into his first release he could destroy all of Las Noches then he has a release on top of that with an attack that would dwarf any Naruto mountain.

Sure he can’t.

400ri is more that 900 Miles so yea he is.

The beam is nothing like the cage... and yeah I still don’t see how the beam had any considerable weight to it.

Obviously it still had a considerable size still but there’s still portions of it orbiting the earth and we see when Kurama and the statue popping in amen out of the moon they are not traveling any distance like that.

They weren’t living on the surface though that doesn’t be correlate whatsover. The hole naruto made while impressive the end isn’t hundreds of KM how you were insinuating it is.

Ehh his only feat is resisting a planetary TP that he’s already immune to Naturally.

Lmao.

First of all Sasuke used a mangekyou sharingan Genjutsu not “normal Genjutsu” secondly he didn’t affect his perception of time he kept the eye open making him think he had more time that way.

Itachi was only giving him what he could handle if he wanted to he could have killed Sasuke with the tsukuyomi.

Yhach’s ability is literally power nullification stopping and making himself immune to abilities. KS surpassed this so like I said neither the ninjas nor the Aliens are breaking out of it.

Lmao I accidentally deleted it the first time.

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#40 Posted by TheVivas (18570 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma: @b_r023: Don’t engage, let the troll implode on himself like they all do.

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#42 Posted by FaradaySloth (3911 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma: When I read that Ulquiorra moon level calc I honestly considered to retire from battle forums from any site. Good thing that was 4 years ago and I hope that thing will never happen again.

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#43 Posted by JOVIOLMA (3731 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma:

Where in that does that say “ichigo is Multi planetary” I was talking about how they could be at that level but I know Author Intention doesn’t mean anything to you.

Author intention carries more value than fans lowball and wank attempts, I don't say that the Author's intentions should be ignore, but I don't recall absolutely no feat from Ichigo put him at that Level though.

And I didn’t call you a wanker I said what was coming was a heap of wank but I guess I could’ve chose other words.

Well, you are directly referring to my posts, as a ''heap of wank'' even if you didn't say that I'm wanker, you in a way saying that I'm wanking, not necessarily call me one.

Exactly the country is small so why do we see it so large there? Makes no sense.

The country was simple small by the Naruto's world perspective as a matter of fact, Kakashi and Part II running at super-human speeds and don't stopping take a considerable time(3 days to be exactly) to arrive on Suna, the FC is like 1/3-1/4 of this distance(using the map as scale) so is pretty big by RL standards but is smaller in comparison to the other countries.

Ovy7 said something about being almost comparable to Bulgaria in size though.

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About Naruto and Sasuke journey to VotE from the Frost Country:

Using shots of the Earth that appeared in Naruto: The Last, the Frost Country is close to the size of Bulgaria. We can also use comparisons to find a distance between the Frost Country and VotE:

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https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11133/111330758/6457612-1875051036-1NaXy.jpg

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So the distance is around 730 km.

The meteors aren’t as big as the moon...lmao.

Quote exactly where I said that they are big as the Moon. Actually my point is that they simple are a good proof that they are extremely big as well the Moon considering that they have a immense size even when they are behind the planet and yet, the Moon appeared to be intact as if it had lost small/insignificant fragments

it’s also never stated that they have that energy remaining. They still have that same energy.

Don't get your point, the CT created by Hagoromo and Hamura have a gravity similar to the Earth as well a Atmosphere proving that they possess GBE, unless you think that Naruto and the others are walking and breathing in the moon by magic.

I didn’t say country level Ulq but he’s definitely Multi-mountain.

I fail to see how this is impressive considering that destroy mountains is a thing that Bijuus can do casually, and the Juubi was vaporizing Mountains and cities countries away :P

By just going into his first release he could destroy all of Las Noches then he has a release on top of that with an attack that would dwarf any Naruto mountain.

Cool and all but again AoE=/= DC like I stated before, and dwarfing the mountains or not, he still fodder to the Juubi and the Juubi Jinchuurikis that both SP Naruto and Sasuke were overwhelming pretty fine though.

Let's not forget Naruto's Senpou Chou Bijuu Rasenshuriken being comparable to the curvature of the Planet when he used the attack against Kaguya.

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Planets parallels toEarth.

"Naruto was inside darkness.

He didn’t think they’d gotten very far from the village of Konohagakure, but, rather than saying this was some place he didn’t remember, it’d be more accurate to say this was a parallel world.

It was terribly cold, and distortions rippled through the sky. It plainly wasn’t the airspace of his own world.

Kaguya had held the power of sending people into parallel worlds too… Is this something like a kekkai, or a subspace?"

And if you want to abuse the feat, a Naruto engulfed by Hinata's chakra/Hamura's bloodline oneshot the Energy Vessel which was moving the Moon towards the Earth and was going to save Hinata and Toneri from the Collision, and he did this in base and yet.

Madara tanked a combined attack of Onyx Chidori and Magnetic Release Rasengan and was only immobilized, even though that in the NSUNS4 Game(Non-Canon, I know, I simple brought this here cuz Kishi was involved in the game's creation and he overseen this all) both are offensive techniques so.....

Sure he can’t.

Glad that we agree.

400ri is more that 900 Miles so yea he is.

No, a meteor of 21 Km would destroy a city of 190 KM of diameter and destroy one is barely Island Level, even if I 10x the feat, still barely Mountain Level though :/ Large Island Level/Small Country at best, Also Kenpachi didn't stop the meteor or overcome his kinetic energy, he destroyed it.

Meaning that his feat is a feat of destroying a rock of the size of the meteorite, not a feat of destroying an area as big as the meteorite would have blasted.

The beam is nothing like the cage...

I never said that so...... Also I think you missed the part where I mentioned the SWRE that also didn't disintegrated Sai, Sakura Shikamaru and Hinata, so.....

and yeah I still don’t see how the beam had any considerable weight to it.

Good, so we can agree that Toneri's physical strength >>>> Anything should in bleach so far, considering that the later would have to put a colossal amount of strength while swing a weightless sword to slice a Moon.

Obviously it still had a considerable size still but there’s still portions of it orbiting the earth and we see when Kurama and the statue popping in amen out of the moon they are not traveling any distance like that.

Meaning that the hole was not that far from the surface which only support the claim of the Moon not being Hollow :/ And I'm curious which distance are you talking about ? I'm talking about the fragments's size being extremely being even in behind the planet and yet the Moon don't have absolutely no difference proving that the enormous fragments that she lost were nothing comprable to her size.

They weren’t living on the surface though that doesn’t be correlate whatsover

Didn't claim that they are living on the surface, but the databook translation say something of that sort, and only proves that they are pretty close to the surface, and the Moon is not Hollow, which is supported by all the things that I posted and I hoped that you have read.

The hole naruto made while impressive the end isn’t hundreds of KM how you were insinuating it is.

Quote exactly where I said this. Actually that hole was barely City Size, and I simple mentioned this to prove that the country created by the Otsutsuki family are extremely close to the surface of the Moon and the hollow portion is barely in the Hundreds of KMs.

MudaMudaMuda

Remember that when Naruto and co first reached the moon, the first thing they could notice is that some islands looked like they were floating "because the sea was distorted", along with the fact that the island was perfectly visible. This is a clear indicator that the curvature of the hollow portion they were in was fairly sharp which goes to show that the hollow portion of the moon is relatively small in size because otherwise they would be unable to even see all the way to the other side.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111210761/4899673-island1.png

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One could argue that they are able to see all the way to the other side of the moon because they were closer to that side, however this is easily refuted by the fact that when Shikamaru looked up, the artificial sun was neither perfectly above or behind them, it was somewhere in front of them.

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So clearly they were on the far side compared to that island, only, with something as huge as the moon it would be completely impossible for them to see that island so big and clear from so far away if the hollow area covered the entire inner layers of the moon, unless that island was something as large as a country, and that without even taking into the clouds that could obstruct their vision.

The distance between where Naruto and co were standing and where the artificial sun was placed is far too small to cover even 5% of the radius of the moon.

The first justification for this, is Hinata's byakugan reach which was stated to be around 20kms, however Sai was surprised for why Hinata could not locate Toneri's caste inside the artificial sun thus confirming that they were within 20km of the Tenseigan when Hinata was with them and according to Shikamaru the reason for that is that the barrier is able to prevent the Byakugan from looking through, further confirming that being out of reach was not an option.

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So from this we know for a fact that the distance between the center of the hollow curvature and Naruto and co can at max be in the 20km range (Possibly even less).

Such a distance seem the most reasonable considering how clear the curvature of the moon was compared to forests when Toneri split it :

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The second reason is how fast Shikamaru and Sai were able to fly from the artificial sun to ground level while starting the attack against the defense system

Watch the Movie from 54:50 to 54:55 that distance couldn't have been more than a few miles at most. So this pretty much confirms that the hollow portion of the moon is negligible in volume.

Thee is yet another problem here : The location of the artificial sun was not specified.

Because while it is true that it is placed at the center of the hollow portion of the moon, nothing indicates that it must actually be placed at the center of the actual moon. Remember that when Toneri activate a new Tenseigan he started moving the moon again even though he was standing on the surface of the moon and nowhere near close to it's center.

Additionally the previous statements about the Tenseigan shrine being the center of the moon don't seem close to matching how big the center of the Moon should be. Keep in mind that were are talking something that should be in the 200KM large in just it's radius which is very clearly nowhere near how big the artificial sun was. This is the overview of the artificial sun from when Naruto and co got inside :

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You can even see Toneri's castle from where Naruto and co were entering from. Here is a close up of the castle (top right) :

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And this is how big the castle was compared to Hinata:

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It looks like it would be in the 150m-600m high, yet there it is fully visible to Naruto and co inside the sphere, which obviously would be impossible if they were 200km away. And judging by the size of the castle (assuming it is 150m high and using a bit of pixel scaling) we got the diameter of the artificial sun to be around 6 km large :

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111210761/4899757-4894319-67.jpg

Using 600 m high would be 24 Km

So judging by all of the above we know that the diameter of the hollowed portion of the moon (Diameter of artificial sun + Forest-like area) is roughly 40+ 12 = 62 km which is a decently large area for people to live in but still extremely small compared to the sheer size of the moon (not even as large as the core).

If you take account the 24 Km thing, wouldn't even be large as the core as well :P

I left this for last because I needed to establish the above facts before getting into it (in order not to be too confusing).

The justification is really simple there is no real reason to assume that the hollow portion of the cave was located at the center of the moon (that wouldn't even make sense in fact since that area is liquefied), for all we know it could have been placed far closer to to the surface in the side facing Earth. Because let's be honest, I don't think that Hamura and the Otsutuski would want to cross 1700+ km each time they want to watch Earth from their location.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111210761/4899805-hamura.png

Leaving that aside though and looking at the movie as a whole, it would be completely impossible for the crust of the moon o be only 1 km deep and this for 2 reasons :

First, we have seen that massive debris were breaking from the moon and falling towards Earth, at some point they even formed a ring around the planet, so how is it possible for a 1 km thick mantle to lose so much mass and yet for the moon to look relatively unaffected in total ?

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111210761/4899811-earth2.png

Second, the whole plot of the movie was about Toneri wanting to destroy Earth by crashing the moon. It wouldn't make any sense for a hollow moon to be able to destroy Earth, especially not one with a 1 km thick mantel.

Anyway, that's the main idea, I hope I was clear enough. :)

Ehh his only feat is resisting a planetary TP that he’s already immune to Naturally.

Good to know that he is immune to a technique that affect the 5 five senses and put people in Illusions that they can't distinguish reality from fantasy.

Lmao.

My feelings through this debate.

First of all Sasuke used a mangekyou sharingan Genjutsu not “normal Genjutsu

His technique was referred simple as a Genjutsu, not a MS Sharingan Genjutsu like you are saying, the only special genjutsu that a MS have is Tsukuyomi which can only be overwhelmed by a Uchiha, and Sasuke's as far I'm concerned never utilized Tsukuyomi.

secondly he didn’t affect his perception of time he kept the eye open making him think he had more time that way.

Affect the perception of time is a thing that normal genjutsu do though, Itachi's Tsukuyomi comes to mind.

And I fail to see why this is needed when KS is barely on the same level as Genin Genjutsu in the Narutoverse though :/

Even Part 1 Sakura would free herself from that thing, LOL.

Itachi was only giving him what he could handle if he wanted to he could have killed Sasuke with the tsukuyomi.

Although I agree that Itachi > Hebi Sasuke, he was impressed that Sasuke released himself from the technique though and wasn't excepting so claiming that he could have killed him with a Tsukuyomi even thought that he was torturing Sasuke in that illusions is kind of headcanon.

Yhach’s ability is literally power nullification stopping and making himself immune to abilities.

Cool and all, but where is the part that said that he could being immune to Mental control ?

KS surpassed this so like I said neither the ninjas nor the Aliens are breaking out of it.

A technique that controls the five sense and the perception of time that even basic genjutsu can do.... d4mn, I think that this is too much for the Ninjas to handle.

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#44 Edited by Jatom22 (1600 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma: the difference is they aren't breaking out of KS until they touch aizen. They cant chakra flex (or whatever technique they use) their way out of it like they do a genjutsu. Also it has no toll on aizens energy therefore they are in it for the next 100 years.

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#45 Posted by JOVIOLMA (3731 posts) - - Show Bio

@jatom22 said:

@joviolma: the difference is they aren't breaking out of KS until they touch aizen. They cant chakra flex their way out of it like they do a genjutsu. Also it has no toll on aizens energy therefore they are in it for the next 100 years.

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#47 Edited by LeoTheGreatest (2315 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma:

Yamma was stated to be planetary by himself and unohana I don’t see any reason why unohana would lie especially since it wasn’t in her mind and yhwach was strong enough to take this power from him then he absorbs Mimihagi and the soul king beings who can keep 3 worlds from collapsing. Ichigo who was powerful enough to replace the soul king on his own rivals him in power but was ultimately defeated by the almighty’s hax.

Eh

Still makes no sense for it being that big in the scan if it’s a small country compared to the other ones.

You said the meteors should have gravitational energy like the moon even though they aren’t that big...

Their CT is on a complelty different level than his meteors.

I was just explaining that Multi-Mountain level wasn’t anything new to bleach and Ulquiorra is fodder to current ichigo.

Kishi just had a fetish for planet curvatures In the last arc because we see when the CT is being formed the planet and CT compared to the tailed beast. It’s not earth sized unless earth is reckoned lmao.

He got between the meteor and it’s target and destroyed it with his sword he obviously overpowered the meteor and you know it’s in the country range you just don’t want to admit it. Remember this is a casual feat with his eyepatch on and he’s still fodder to ichigo at full power.

SWRE?

No it obviously has disintegrating properties it’s an energy attack and so are Narutos RS did you forget I’m talking about physical strength lmao CQC.

The distance they traveled from inside the moon and out wasn’t a hundred of KM and the hole naruto made wasn’t anywhere close to a hundred KM meaning the moon is mostly hollow and we don’t see the moon compared to the way it was before the fragments were sent to earth so how do you know how considerable that difference is?

Them being close to the surface means the moon is very hollow becuase they reside inside of it...to say its close to the surface means that it’s really hollow lmao.

Everything your saying is implying the moon is hollow you’re supporting my claims.

He’s immune to it becuase he also has a rinnengan lmao he didn’t have to resist he was just immune.

Same.

Huh? I’m the scan that you posted it literally stated MS Genjutsu. Any Genjutsu done with an MS is an MS Genjutsu.

Nah tsukuyomi and I guess IT are the only Genjutsu that can affect time perception.

Now you’re just trolling.

The whole entire thing was an act he was never going to kill Sasuke or go all out.

Ichibeis ichimonji is an ability that comes from his Zanpakto that turned yhwach into an ant. Yhwach nullified this ability and “made it his ally” yhwach tried do the same thing to Aizen’s Kyoka Suigetsu an Ability that comes from his Zanpakto and it failed power nullification failed on KS I don’t know what other way to explain this.

Genjustsu in Naruto takes control of the chakra flow in someone’s brain the way the ninja break out of it is by changing their chakra flow. KS doesn’t do anything to your chakra or whatever energy you have he just straight up controls your sense and the only way to break out of that is touching him before hypnosis is completely set. Naruto can change the flow of his chakra all he wants and he still won’t break out of KS. Aizen would just make Naruto kill them all.

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#48 Edited by easterlin74 (503 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1 wins. Most likely. Depending how Aizens hax works here tho but team 2 should have Yhwach and maybe Ichibei to make it "fair".

Still a bait thread.

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#49 Edited by Adi_Frost (544 posts) - - Show Bio

@leothegreatest: So no tp resistance feats for yhwach I guess.

Yhwach has 0 tp resistance. If you disagree provide feats otherwise don't even bother.

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#50 Posted by Adi_Frost (544 posts) - - Show Bio

@leothegreatest: Lmao those meteors by Madara are far bigger than Kenpachi's.

Already proved that TSB once used in Jutsu lose their power of nullification. Try again.

Nice lies. Moon is the same size as ours. Nothing to suggest otherwise than having a bit less mass cause of chunks floating in space. But not smaller in any way. Hollow or not, still better than any feat in bleach.

Yhwach has 0 tp resistance feats.

Already proved why the mountains are huge and not small mountains. Fact.

Nice fan fictions though.