Nappa literally just rips everyone's arms off, when yhwach proves a bit more harder to kill, he drills his arm into yhwach's throat and then releases a beam down into his internals.
Master Roshi would be too much for the team, bleach transcendants are mountain busters, yhwach who is the strongest in the list is around that level. Naruto and Sasuke are too slow for master roshi let alone nappa. He literally shrugs off everything they throw at him bar yhwach if he learns how to get rid of oxygen.
Speed equal doesn't mean nappa couldn't just walk through all the hax and giant pew pews and just bite their heads off.
Naruto and Sasuke in kurama avatar+perfect susano'o megazord mode can tank his attacks and use hax or genjutsu to defeat him.
I don't think naruto and sasuke could tank master roshi's attacks let alone nappa. Heck I think mercenary tao might be able to take this fight through speedblitz and dondanpa or whatever it's called.
Master Roshi has mountain busting feats, he has a moon busting feat, and yeah. Master roshi also is a better spiritual fighter than both of them, so genjutsu won't do anything, naruto and sasuke don't have "hax" anyway, simply big explosive attacks.
Mercenary tao threw a pillar 1400 miles and was able to instantly get on it, he was expecting to go the 1400 miles, find the target, kill the target, possibly kill others, take the dragonballs, and then throw the pillar back 1400 miles back to his employer in a half hour.
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His speed is also much greater than the pillar due to the fact that he instantly got on it with a small (relative to him) jump while the building he jumped from was close behind him.
When mercenary tao shits on all the characters, what hope do they have against nappa who makes piccolo of the saiyan saga seem weak, who was stronger than tien and yamcha who were around saibaman level who were as strong as radditz who was much stronger than goku and piccolo of the radditz saga, who fought like 5 or 10 years before then to a near standstil. Goku years before then. 5 or so years before then goku beat king piccolo who was a god before master roshi who shits on a goku who stomped mercenary tao. Number wise master roshi was 125 or so power level, nappa was around 10k I think. Master Roshi shits on mercenary tao. (pre cyborg)
Naruto and Sasuke in kurama avatar+perfect susano'o megazord mode can tank his attacks
Not really. The best thing they have taken is either toneri's moonbust, or their clash at final valley. I suppose you could scale it and say they can survive this one, but nappa can casually top that output.
and use hax or genjutsu to defeat him.
All the hax isn't going to help them when blasted apart.
@pantypolice: How weak do you think Naruto & Sasuke are after being blessed by the sage(a moon lvl character casually on his deathbed without the bijuu/juubi's power)? Plus they have good hax as well human path steals his soul, genjutsu knocks him unconscious, magnet release rasengan seals him, teleswap him into attacks, clones can become a problem, amaterasu, turning him into the core of a chibaku tensei which basically means he will attract an seemingly endless barrage of rocks, tree's, and whatever else surrounds them until he's encased in a sphere, gudo dama, etc... they are not slow(can travel across countries with ease in a moments notice) and both have pre cog(sage mode sensing and sharingan) Naruto alone without Sasuke's susano'os help in kcm no need to go bijuu mode or six paths senjutsu mode can tank moon lvl attacks. Both characters have great endurance can fight the length a whole war which at the very least consist of a few days(2-3) of fighting none stop. Naruto has great regenerative capabilities as well even if he does get hurt good physical probably could wrestle with Nappa for a while and that's lowballing because Nappa's best feats are not physical one's they usually involve absurd amounts energy projection. Then there's the skill aspect Nappa never display any good feats of skill/technique just raw power. All in all I think Nappa is a very strong adversary but Naruto along with Sasuke take it based off what I've seen from both series.
@pantypolice: How weak do you think Naruto & Sasuke after being blessed by the sage(a moon lvl casually on his deathbed without the bijuu/juubi's power) are?
" a moon lvl"
1) They have the power of his sons, not the sage himself
2) Their moon is smaller than ours considering he created it from land from the earth, the moon of the narutoverse was used to hold the shell of the jubi in orbit out of everyone's reach, that's a decent feat, but the size of the naruto moon isn't even proven the size of a mountain. Plus it was the demons that had the chakra that he put into it, not himself, it was only his technique.
Doesn't really matter considering they'd get their heads cut off by mercenary tao's tongue anyway.
@pantypolice: How weak do you think Naruto & Sasuke after being blessed by the sage(a moon lvl casually on his deathbed without the bijuu/juubi's power) are?
" a moon lvl"
1) They have the power of his sons, not the sage himself
2) Their moon is smaller than ours considering he created it from land from the earth, the moon of the narutoverse was used to hold the shell of the jubi in orbit out of everyone's reach, that's a decent feat, but the size of the naruto moon isn't even proven the size of a mountain. Plus it was the demons that had the chakra that he put into it, not himself, it was only his technique.
Doesn't really matter considering they'd get their heads cut off by mercenary tao's tongue anyway.
1.) Proof because if I'm not mistaken Indra had two weird looking sharingan meanwhile Sasuke has a eye(one 6 tomoe rinnegan) mutation in between Kaguya(one 9 tomoe rinne sharingan combination) & Hagoromo's(two none tomoe rinnegan a mutation of his mothers eye) making his more powerful than Hagoromo he just lacks the huge chakra reserves and strong body of someone like Hagoromo to make it really effective and Naruto on the other hand has a golden aura transformation unique him and the sage's son Asura but he also incorporates toad sage mode and gudodama which the sage's son didn't have making his powers differentiable in a sense. So no they are not weaker although it would probably make more sense if they were.
2.) -_____- proof it's smaller or it's not.
3.) Nice opinion here's mine he gets put into a genjutsu faster than he can blink.
@pantypolice: How weak do you think Naruto & Sasuke after being blessed by the sage(a moon lvl casually on his deathbed without the bijuu/juubi's power) are?
" a moon lvl"
1) They have the power of his sons, not the sage himself
2) Their moon is smaller than ours considering he created it from land from the earth, the moon of the narutoverse was used to hold the shell of the jubi in orbit out of everyone's reach, that's a decent feat, but the size of the naruto moon isn't even proven the size of a mountain. Plus it was the demons that had the chakra that he put into it, not himself, it was only his technique.
Doesn't really matter considering they'd get their heads cut off by mercenary tao's tongue anyway.
1.) Proof because if I'm not mistaken Indra had two weird looking sharingan meanwhile Sasuke has a eye(one 6 tomoe rinnegan) mutation in between Kaguya(one 9 tomoe rinne sharingan combination) & Hagoromo's(two none tomoe rinnegan a mutation of his mothers eye) making his more powerful than Hagoromo he just lacks the huge chakra reserves and strong body of someone like Hagoromo to make it really effective and Naruto on the other hand has a golden aura transformation unique him and the sage's son Asura but he also incorporates toad sage mode and gudodama which the sage's son didn't have making his powers differentiable in a sense. So no they are not weaker although it would probably make more sense if they were.
2.) -_____- proof it's smaller or it's not.
3.) Nice opinion here's mine he gets put into a genjutsu faster than he can blink.
They got their power boost from being the reincarnation of the two sons of the sage, they are literally the reincarnation of the sons.
2) Because the moon was created from the earth's land, it's purpose was to keep the shell of the jubi out of reach, so:
a) It'd be stupid to create something 1000000000000000000000000000x too big when you only need something the size of say a mountain.
b) He's taking physical land from the remaining humans who are living on, he's a caring person, he's not going to be a douchebag and take 99% of the land considering the land that is still there is really only the size of a big island that they are living on.
3) Master Roshi and Kid Krillin had a whole fight in less than a blink of an eye, to the viewers it was literally just them appearing where the battle ended, Master Roshi's consciousness is on a much higher reaction time than naruto and sasuke, they aren't speed blitzing him when multiple attacks, a series of sneezes, a series of spits, an understanding, a rock paper scissors match, and a cheap shot and them landing away from each other was literally done in an instant in the view of others.
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Need more? A character much weaker than master roshi threw a pillar 1400 miles away, was planning on capturing the target, collecting the dragonballs, killing a few others, then returning, he said he'd be back in 30 minutes. So he was clearing 2800 miles of distance, (he was faster than the pillar since he instantly jumped onto it after throwing it), doing his showboat talking, killing the target (he didn't since it was goku), getting the dragonballs, killing a few others, all in a half hour.
Mercenary Tao craps on everyone on this list (not including nappa), let alonemaster roshi, let alone king piccolo, let alone kid goku, let alone older goku and piccolo jr (known now as piccolo), let alone years later goku who fought radditz and that piccolo. (that piccolo moon busted casually) Let alone radditz, yamcha was as strong as radditz after the training to fight nappa and vegeta, piccolo was much stronger.
RAdditz had a power level of like 1200 or so if I recall correctly, full powered nappa I recall being something like 10k. (10,000)
Master Roshi could clear 20 miles, dance around a bit, look at some porny mags, and then kick the two in the face before they could even pull off a genjutsu.
Naruto and Sasuke in kurama avatar+perfect susano'o megazord mode can tank his attacks
Not really. The best thing they have taken is either toneri's moonbust, or their clash at final valley. I suppose you could scale it and say they can survive this one, but nappa can casually top that output.
and use hax or genjutsu to defeat him.
All the hax isn't going to help them when blasted apart.
I mean your going to just ignore the fact he alone without Sasuke perfect susano'o armoring and was only in kcm+sage mode transformation not rsm(the mode the sage gave him/helped him achieve) which has gudodama which can be used as shields and separated from Kurama when he accomplished that feat against Toneri due to Kurama fighting a giant Hamura look alike statue with an insane healing factor....
@pantypolice: How weak do you think Naruto & Sasuke after being blessed by the sage(a moon lvl casually on his deathbed without the bijuu/juubi's power) are?
" a moon lvl"
1) They have the power of his sons, not the sage himself
2) Their moon is smaller than ours considering he created it from land from the earth, the moon of the narutoverse was used to hold the shell of the jubi in orbit out of everyone's reach, that's a decent feat, but the size of the naruto moon isn't even proven the size of a mountain. Plus it was the demons that had the chakra that he put into it, not himself, it was only his technique.
Doesn't really matter considering they'd get their heads cut off by mercenary tao's tongue anyway.
1.) Proof because if I'm not mistaken Indra had two weird looking sharingan meanwhile Sasuke has a eye(one 6 tomoe rinnegan) mutation in between Kaguya(one 9 tomoe rinne sharingan combination) & Hagoromo's(two none tomoe rinnegan a mutation of his mothers eye) making his more powerful than Hagoromo he just lacks the huge chakra reserves and strong body of someone like Hagoromo to make it really effective and Naruto on the other hand has a golden aura transformation unique him and the sage's son Asura but he also incorporates toad sage mode and gudodama which the sage's son didn't have making his powers differentiable in a sense. So no they are not weaker although it would probably make more sense if they were.
2.) -_____- proof it's smaller or it's not.
3.) Nice opinion here's mine he gets put into a genjutsu faster than he can blink.
They got their power boost from being the reincarnation of the two sons of the sage, they are literally the reincarnation of the sons.
2) Because the moon was created from the earth's land, it's purpose was to keep the shell of the jubi out of reach, so:
a) It'd be stupid to create something 1000000000000000000000000000x too big when you only need something the size of say a mountain.
b) He's taking physical land from the remaining humans who are living on, he's a caring person, he's not going to be a douchebag and take 99% of the land considering the land that is still there is really only the size of a big island.
1.) I concede they are reincarnations as that is not debatable that is a fact, but what is not a fact is that Asura & Indra are stronger than or just as strong as Naruto & Sasuke. That is simply not true as we have no feats that is speculation at best but what we do know from the manga is rinnegan(Sasuke)>sharingan(Indra) and that's good enough for me.
2.) A mountain+++ sized chibaku tensei can't even hold half kurama(ask Pain) and half kurama couldn't hold a candle to the juubi's power until Naruto got multiple power ups. And the Gedo has to be at least a 1/2 as powerful so I'd say mountain sized is not doing.
3.) The moon is not mountain sized lol the moon is well the moon so the moon is moon sized.
@pantypolice: How weak do you think Naruto & Sasuke after being blessed by the sage(a moon lvl casually on his deathbed without the bijuu/juubi's power) are?
" a moon lvl"
1) They have the power of his sons, not the sage himself
2) Their moon is smaller than ours considering he created it from land from the earth, the moon of the narutoverse was used to hold the shell of the jubi in orbit out of everyone's reach, that's a decent feat, but the size of the naruto moon isn't even proven the size of a mountain. Plus it was the demons that had the chakra that he put into it, not himself, it was only his technique.
Doesn't really matter considering they'd get their heads cut off by mercenary tao's tongue anyway.
1.) Proof because if I'm not mistaken Indra had two weird looking sharingan meanwhile Sasuke has a eye(one 6 tomoe rinnegan) mutation in between Kaguya(one 9 tomoe rinne sharingan combination) & Hagoromo's(two none tomoe rinnegan a mutation of his mothers eye) making his more powerful than Hagoromo he just lacks the huge chakra reserves and strong body of someone like Hagoromo to make it really effective and Naruto on the other hand has a golden aura transformation unique him and the sage's son Asura but he also incorporates toad sage mode and gudodama which the sage's son didn't have making his powers differentiable in a sense. So no they are not weaker although it would probably make more sense if they were.
2.) -_____- proof it's smaller or it's not.
3.) Nice opinion here's mine he gets put into a genjutsu faster than he can blink.
They got their power boost from being the reincarnation of the two sons of the sage, they are literally the reincarnation of the sons.
2) Because the moon was created from the earth's land, it's purpose was to keep the shell of the jubi out of reach, so:
a) It'd be stupid to create something 1000000000000000000000000000x too big when you only need something the size of say a mountain.
b) He's taking physical land from the remaining humans who are living on, he's a caring person, he's not going to be a douchebag and take 99% of the land considering the land that is still there is really only the size of a big island.
1.) I concede they are reincarnations as that is not debatable that is a fact, but what is not a fact is that Asura & Indra are stronger than or just as strong as Naruto & Sasuke. That is simply not true as we have no feats that is speculation at best but what we do know from the manga is rinnegan(Sasuke)>sharingan(Indra) and that's good enough for me.
2.) A mountain+++ sized chibaku tensei can't even hold half kurama(ask Pain) and half kurama couldn't hold a candle to the juubi's power until Naruto got multiple power ups. And the Gedo has to be at least a 1/2 as powerful so I'd say mountain sized is not doing.
3.) The is moon is not mountain sized lol the moon is well the moon so moon sized.
There is no "moon size", there isn't only one moon in our solar system. We have a rather large moon surrounding our planet, the only thing needed to be a moon is that it rotates around the planet by getting caught in it's orbit, there are countless smaller moons. The Naruto moon is smaller.
combine Nigh omniscience + true name manipulation add In an Orange haired Character That will without a doubt immediately Annoy Nappy at a deep base level... aka bait has a 100% taunt effect.
Nappa was made to bleed by a hill/mountain level kick. Naruto & Sasuke transform and proceed to wreck him since Edo Madara was mountain level and they are way past that by EoS
An understandable debate could be made for the team, but I'm pretty sure Nappa could just nuke the whole field and take everybody out, or at least severely injure them since the team is in character and likely won't be beginning the fight in their strongest states nor spamming their most powerful techniques at the start.
Darkness + Almighty + Truth Seeking Balls = overkill for an in character Nappa.
Based on what? Characters substantially weaker than Nappa are casual moon busters.
What is the size of dragonball moon again?
Actually characters weaker than saibaman are casual planet busters.
characters weaker than saibaman can match vegeta's planet level gallick gun? 0_o
Quite possibly smaller than the moon of our earth, but the dragonball planet is equal to or greater than the size of our planet, I think I've heard that it's substantially bigger than our earth but mercenary tao cleared 1400 miles in less than 10 minutes casually.
The problem with the naruto moon is that it was created from the rocks from the earth and that it's made by a character who's fairly strong but no where near dragonball level and he did it on his deathbed, I'd say the moon is probably around the size of new york tops in naruto.
Piccolo with a power level quite a bit below saibaman blew up the moon with a casual unnamed ki blast. Anyway master roshi blows up the moon with his max powered kamehameha and kami recreated the moon, so kami and master roshi have moon busting feats.
Vegeta's gallick gun was a planet buster, but it wasn't ONLY a planet buster.
Technically, Nappa should get caught in a genjutsu.
Dragonball humans wouldn't fall for a genjutsu, quite simply dragonball characters are HIGH level energy manipulators, it's what boosts them up physically, reaction time, etc etc a lot. They'd be able to cancel out something like a genjutsu like nothing, it's why master roshi doesn't spam hypnosis and other such tricks. They are simply too strong with eneergy manipulation to fall for energy mind trick. It'd maybe work on a kid goku (though he'd come back from it), but anyone master roshi and up would laugh it off.
Technically, Nappa should get caught in a genjutsu.
Dragonball humans wouldn't fall for a genjutsu, quite simply dragonball characters are HIGH level energy manipulators, it's what boosts them up physically, reaction time, etc etc a lot. They'd be able to cancel out something like a genjutsu like nothing, it's why master roshi doesn't spam hypnosis and other such tricks. They are simply too strong with eneergy manipulation to fall for energy mind trick. It'd maybe work on a kid goku (though he'd come back from it), but anyone master roshi and up would laugh it off.
Lol, the Moon argument again. There's literally no evidence that the Naruto Earth's Moon is smaller than our own. 50% Kyuubi was able to destroy Nagato's Chibaku Tensei, which dwarfed a Mountain Range, and Nagato said that was nothing at all compared to the Sage creating the Moon so I really doubt that the author views the moon as being smaller than our own. The Juubi at full power was said to be able to destroy the planet anyway, and while that's probably a hyperbole, it's most likely that he was around Moon level, and would need a Moon around the size of Earth's to seal him.
@pantypolice: Can't prove yours either sweetheart. Good try though. Why don't you take a nap and try debating when you feel better, huh champ? Glad we had this talk.
@pantypolice: Can't prove yours either sweetheart. Good try though. Why don't you take a nap and try debating when you feel better, huh champ? Glad we had this talk.
I don't HAVE to prove scale, I'm not the one with the argument that rests upon it, I'm fine with the feat being completely ignored, however you have a positive claim, you need to prove it.
Id say the Saiyan wins in a hard won battle, 6/10. This is in characterwhile Nappa may toy with them a bit; he is merciless, murdering madman who has spent most his time sacking entire planets with Vegeta. He toys with Krillin and piccolo both of whom would be hell of a match for anyone on the team. Once they realize how sadistic and brutal Nappa is, it may be too late. At least on person on the team is gunna lose something on their first assault before they realize Nappa don't play..
There is literally nothing Nappa can do against the team, only because of Ichibei and Yhwach. Those two are the main factors in deciding the outcome of the battle, but with them Naruto and Sasuke could do whatever without being obliterated by Nappa.
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