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#151 Posted by Cable_Extreme (16791 posts) - - Show Bio

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@cable_extreme: Boros would get curbstomped by either Superman or Hulk. I see what you are saying about Saitama not showing his upper limits yet, but here on the vine, we go by what they have already accomplished, not by speculation. We don’t really know how powerful Saitama is. He could be only planetary, but he could also be WAY above that. We don’t really know, which is why we go by what they have already shown. We can’t use NLFs.

He easily reflected a "at the very least" planetary attack using the concussive force of his hand moving through the air... You try making a punching bag move by waving your hand around in front of it... He not only reflected the attack, but there was enough force left over to split the jet stream around the world. The level of strength he has, and consistency is far better than the consistent showings of Wonder Woman who had a knack for constantly failing which resulted in superman to have Superman pick up the slack. She would have her showing every once in awhile but her durability on a consistent basis was crap.

consistency implies that Saitama has repeatedly showing planetary attacks. Which is not the case. He simply has one attack on that level and nothing else. You can argue consistency when Saitama only has one fight that puts him high tier and nothing else in that level. Sure you can say that he has yet to face an opponent like Boros but I still wouldn't say there is anything consistent about Saitama until he gets more showings. Which is also why the legitamacy of Boros's statement is very questionable because that entire statement is a complete outlier to rest of manga. If we took every databook seriously than manga characters would be a lot stronger than most give them credit for. However the fact reamins that it is still a statement that is unsupported by any other feats within the manga. Even showings since the Boros fight have are not on that level despite the villains supposedly being similar to Boros.

He has never struggled at all with any attack at any range. Wonder Woman on the other hand has struggled and been defeated by less-than solar system attacks/beings.

The statement isn't an outlier of the entire manga when the whole series was a ramp-up to that point. It is obvious of One's intentions with Boros, it wasn't his intention to make Boros appear stronger than he was. One stated that Boros disaster level was above Dragon level leaving only God level. This makes him a worldly threat to humanities survival. Boros is easily world level confirmed but the manga and especially the anime at the very least. Saitama is above world level as he didn't struggle at all against Boros.

Youa re missing my point. You argue that Saitama being planet level is consistent. however he has only one feat that planet level. Yes Wonder Woman has low showings but she also has ridiculously high ones as well which is why the topic of consistency comes up and we go by the middle ground. The middle ground for Saitama would not be planet level.(Note my point is not that Saitama isn't palnet level but rather brining up consistency when debating Saitama makes no sense.)

It is an outlier. There is no other feat in the entire series that comes anywhere near that statement. It is leagues above anything else shown after the fight as well. Why would you ramp up to a fight and not make the next set of villains even stronger. What ever one has stated doesn't change the fact that it is an outlier feat nor does it change that fact that it is still just a statement. One that is unsupported within the webcomic or manga. Boros has no feats of being world level. He simply has one statement and that's it. Even the collateral damage of that attack wasn't near world level.

One punch man's high showings are still Saitama not really giving his effort, that is the difference, even planetary attacks and such are boringly childish in comparison to Saitama's power. Wonder Woman's ridiculously high feats are shadowed by Superman almost completely., They all piggy back off of his importance in an effort to keep her relevant. Her own post crisis solo series aren't even close to the showings she has in his comics.

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#152 Posted by TheWatcherKing (18622 posts) - - Show Bio

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@watcher5000: not just OPM but manga in general.

Can't help you then, OPM is the only manga I read these days.

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#153 Posted by Cable_Extreme (16791 posts) - - Show Bio

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@beaconofstrength: Okay. Nice to know. But why does he look annoyed after the attack then even tells borus to shut up(insinuating that he’s annoyed)

He has a trend in the manga and anime of not being interested in listening to dialogue. It seems to annoy him.

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#156 Posted by EcoBlitz (5309 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme: planetary showings don’t exist in OPM just saying. Just surface level and that’s it.

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#157 Posted by emperorthanos- (16601 posts) - - Show Bio

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@cable_extreme said:
@emperorthanos said:
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@cable_extreme: Boros would get curbstomped by either Superman or Hulk. I see what you are saying about Saitama not showing his upper limits yet, but here on the vine, we go by what they have already accomplished, not by speculation. We don’t really know how powerful Saitama is. He could be only planetary, but he could also be WAY above that. We don’t really know, which is why we go by what they have already shown. We can’t use NLFs.

He easily reflected a "at the very least" planetary attack using the concussive force of his hand moving through the air... You try making a punching bag move by waving your hand around in front of it... He not only reflected the attack, but there was enough force left over to split the jet stream around the world. The level of strength he has, and consistency is far better than the consistent showings of Wonder Woman who had a knack for constantly failing which resulted in superman to have Superman pick up the slack. She would have her showing every once in awhile but her durability on a consistent basis was crap.

consistency implies that Saitama has repeatedly showing planetary attacks. Which is not the case. He simply has one attack on that level and nothing else. You can argue consistency when Saitama only has one fight that puts him high tier and nothing else in that level. Sure you can say that he has yet to face an opponent like Boros but I still wouldn't say there is anything consistent about Saitama until he gets more showings. Which is also why the legitamacy of Boros's statement is very questionable because that entire statement is a complete outlier to rest of manga. If we took every databook seriously than manga characters would be a lot stronger than most give them credit for. However the fact reamins that it is still a statement that is unsupported by any other feats within the manga. Even showings since the Boros fight have are not on that level despite the villains supposedly being similar to Boros.

He has never struggled at all with any attack at any range. Wonder Woman on the other hand has struggled and been defeated by less-than solar system attacks/beings.

The statement isn't an outlier of the entire manga when the whole series was a ramp-up to that point. It is obvious of One's intentions with Boros, it wasn't his intention to make Boros appear stronger than he was. One stated that Boros disaster level was above Dragon level leaving only God level. This makes him a worldly threat to humanities survival. Boros is easily world level confirmed but the manga and especially the anime at the very least. Saitama is above world level as he didn't struggle at all against Boros.

Youa re missing my point. You argue that Saitama being planet level is consistent. however he has only one feat that planet level. Yes Wonder Woman has low showings but she also has ridiculously high ones as well which is why the topic of consistency comes up and we go by the middle ground. The middle ground for Saitama would not be planet level.(Note my point is not that Saitama isn't palnet level but rather brining up consistency when debating Saitama makes no sense.)

It is an outlier. There is no other feat in the entire series that comes anywhere near that statement. It is leagues above anything else shown after the fight as well. Why would you ramp up to a fight and not make the next set of villains even stronger. What ever one has stated doesn't change the fact that it is an outlier feat nor does it change that fact that it is still just a statement. One that is unsupported within the webcomic or manga. Boros has no feats of being world level. He simply has one statement and that's it. Even the collateral damage of that attack wasn't near world level.

One punch man's high showings are still Saitama not really giving his effort, that is the difference, even planetary attacks and such are boringly childish in comparison to Saitama's power. Wonder Woman's ridiculously high feats are shadowed by Superman almost completely., They all piggy back off of his importance in an effort to keep her relevant. Her own post crisis solo series aren't even close to the showings she has in his comics.

Again it doesn't matter since those are still his highest showings anything else is speculation. We aren't debating potential power here, this the battle forums and we have to got by showings. And Saitama clearly had to get serious to deal with a supposed planet level attack. And who cares about Superman. WW's high end shadows Saitama's and that's all that matters.

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#158 Posted by Cable_Extreme (16791 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme said:
@emperorthanos said:
@cable_extreme said:
@emperorthanos said:
@cable_extreme said:
@kanyecosby said:

@cable_extreme: Boros would get curbstomped by either Superman or Hulk. I see what you are saying about Saitama not showing his upper limits yet, but here on the vine, we go by what they have already accomplished, not by speculation. We don’t really know how powerful Saitama is. He could be only planetary, but he could also be WAY above that. We don’t really know, which is why we go by what they have already shown. We can’t use NLFs.

He easily reflected a "at the very least" planetary attack using the concussive force of his hand moving through the air... You try making a punching bag move by waving your hand around in front of it... He not only reflected the attack, but there was enough force left over to split the jet stream around the world. The level of strength he has, and consistency is far better than the consistent showings of Wonder Woman who had a knack for constantly failing which resulted in superman to have Superman pick up the slack. She would have her showing every once in awhile but her durability on a consistent basis was crap.

consistency implies that Saitama has repeatedly showing planetary attacks. Which is not the case. He simply has one attack on that level and nothing else. You can argue consistency when Saitama only has one fight that puts him high tier and nothing else in that level. Sure you can say that he has yet to face an opponent like Boros but I still wouldn't say there is anything consistent about Saitama until he gets more showings. Which is also why the legitamacy of Boros's statement is very questionable because that entire statement is a complete outlier to rest of manga. If we took every databook seriously than manga characters would be a lot stronger than most give them credit for. However the fact reamins that it is still a statement that is unsupported by any other feats within the manga. Even showings since the Boros fight have are not on that level despite the villains supposedly being similar to Boros.

He has never struggled at all with any attack at any range. Wonder Woman on the other hand has struggled and been defeated by less-than solar system attacks/beings.

The statement isn't an outlier of the entire manga when the whole series was a ramp-up to that point. It is obvious of One's intentions with Boros, it wasn't his intention to make Boros appear stronger than he was. One stated that Boros disaster level was above Dragon level leaving only God level. This makes him a worldly threat to humanities survival. Boros is easily world level confirmed but the manga and especially the anime at the very least. Saitama is above world level as he didn't struggle at all against Boros.

Youa re missing my point. You argue that Saitama being planet level is consistent. however he has only one feat that planet level. Yes Wonder Woman has low showings but she also has ridiculously high ones as well which is why the topic of consistency comes up and we go by the middle ground. The middle ground for Saitama would not be planet level.(Note my point is not that Saitama isn't palnet level but rather brining up consistency when debating Saitama makes no sense.)

It is an outlier. There is no other feat in the entire series that comes anywhere near that statement. It is leagues above anything else shown after the fight as well. Why would you ramp up to a fight and not make the next set of villains even stronger. What ever one has stated doesn't change the fact that it is an outlier feat nor does it change that fact that it is still just a statement. One that is unsupported within the webcomic or manga. Boros has no feats of being world level. He simply has one statement and that's it. Even the collateral damage of that attack wasn't near world level.

One punch man's high showings are still Saitama not really giving his effort, that is the difference, even planetary attacks and such are boringly childish in comparison to Saitama's power. Wonder Woman's ridiculously high feats are shadowed by Superman almost completely., They all piggy back off of his importance in an effort to keep her relevant. Her own post crisis solo series aren't even close to the showings she has in his comics.

Again it doesn't matter since those are still his highest showings anything else is speculation. We aren't debating potential power here, this the battle forums and we have to got by showings. And Saitama clearly had to get serious to deal with a supposed planet level attack. And who cares about Superman. WW's high end shadows Saitama's and that's all that matters.

His highest showings come with the context of not trying hardly at all. Being so depressed that the fight was so easy even after redirecting a planet-level attack with the concussive force of his fist moving in the air. Context is key.

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#159 Posted by Cable_Extreme (16791 posts) - - Show Bio

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@cable_extreme: planetary showings don’t exist in OPM just saying. Just surface level and that’s it.

In the anime it specifically says world.

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#160 Posted by EcoBlitz (5309 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme: But anime isn’t taken as the number 1 canon so this isn’t valid. It’s not planetary.

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#161 Edited by TheWatcherKing (18622 posts) - - Show Bio

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Wow now, Boros is strong and is definitely above any confirmed Dragon Level threat, but he and Monster Garou have never truly been confirmed to be God Level threats.

Well saying above dragon would be god level as that is the only bracket. One stated Boros was above Dragon. What else could he be? There are only 5 threat levels.

Wolf: Any potential threat or threat that poses a danger to an unknown degree.

Tiger: Any threat to a large number of people.

Demon: Any threat to a city and its people.

Dragon: Any threat to multiple cities.

God: A threat endangering the survival of humanity in general. Link

Which one is above dragon?

I personally think he's dragon level+, because in canon he doesn't have any legitimate statement putting him at God Level. I'm pretty sure if people like Boros and Garou were God level threats it would be explicitly stated.

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#162 Posted by BeaconofStrength (12489 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme: You realize the anime isn't the only material for OPM, right?

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#163 Posted by Cable_Extreme (16791 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme said:
@watcher5000 said:

Wow now, Boros is strong and is definitely above any confirmed Dragon Level threat, but he and Monster Garou have never truly been confirmed to be God Level threats.

Well saying above dragon would be god level as that is the only bracket. One stated Boros was above Dragon. What else could he be? There are only 5 threat levels.

Wolf: Any potential threat or threat that poses a danger to an unknown degree.

Tiger: Any threat to a large number of people.

Demon: Any threat to a city and its people.

Dragon: Any threat to multiple cities.

God: A threat endangering the survival of humanity in general. Link

Which one is above dragon?

I personally think he's dragon level+, because in canon he doesn't have any legitimate statement putting him at God Level. I'm pretty sure if people like Boros and Garou were God level threats it would be explicitly stated.

In the manga and anime, there was never a + level added, it always either was a certain level or met the requirements of the next threat level. The next logical step of above multiple cities is god level, humanity.

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#164 Edited by emperorthanos- (16601 posts) - - Show Bio

@emperorthanos said:
@cable_extreme said:
@emperorthanos said:
@cable_extreme said:
@emperorthanos said:
@cable_extreme said:
@kanyecosby said:

@cable_extreme: Boros would get curbstomped by either Superman or Hulk. I see what you are saying about Saitama not showing his upper limits yet, but here on the vine, we go by what they have already accomplished, not by speculation. We don’t really know how powerful Saitama is. He could be only planetary, but he could also be WAY above that. We don’t really know, which is why we go by what they have already shown. We can’t use NLFs.

He easily reflected a "at the very least" planetary attack using the concussive force of his hand moving through the air... You try making a punching bag move by waving your hand around in front of it... He not only reflected the attack, but there was enough force left over to split the jet stream around the world. The level of strength he has, and consistency is far better than the consistent showings of Wonder Woman who had a knack for constantly failing which resulted in superman to have Superman pick up the slack. She would have her showing every once in awhile but her durability on a consistent basis was crap.

consistency implies that Saitama has repeatedly showing planetary attacks. Which is not the case. He simply has one attack on that level and nothing else. You can argue consistency when Saitama only has one fight that puts him high tier and nothing else in that level. Sure you can say that he has yet to face an opponent like Boros but I still wouldn't say there is anything consistent about Saitama until he gets more showings. Which is also why the legitamacy of Boros's statement is very questionable because that entire statement is a complete outlier to rest of manga. If we took every databook seriously than manga characters would be a lot stronger than most give them credit for. However the fact reamins that it is still a statement that is unsupported by any other feats within the manga. Even showings since the Boros fight have are not on that level despite the villains supposedly being similar to Boros.

He has never struggled at all with any attack at any range. Wonder Woman on the other hand has struggled and been defeated by less-than solar system attacks/beings.

The statement isn't an outlier of the entire manga when the whole series was a ramp-up to that point. It is obvious of One's intentions with Boros, it wasn't his intention to make Boros appear stronger than he was. One stated that Boros disaster level was above Dragon level leaving only God level. This makes him a worldly threat to humanities survival. Boros is easily world level confirmed but the manga and especially the anime at the very least. Saitama is above world level as he didn't struggle at all against Boros.

Youa re missing my point. You argue that Saitama being planet level is consistent. however he has only one feat that planet level. Yes Wonder Woman has low showings but she also has ridiculously high ones as well which is why the topic of consistency comes up and we go by the middle ground. The middle ground for Saitama would not be planet level.(Note my point is not that Saitama isn't palnet level but rather brining up consistency when debating Saitama makes no sense.)

It is an outlier. There is no other feat in the entire series that comes anywhere near that statement. It is leagues above anything else shown after the fight as well. Why would you ramp up to a fight and not make the next set of villains even stronger. What ever one has stated doesn't change the fact that it is an outlier feat nor does it change that fact that it is still just a statement. One that is unsupported within the webcomic or manga. Boros has no feats of being world level. He simply has one statement and that's it. Even the collateral damage of that attack wasn't near world level.

One punch man's high showings are still Saitama not really giving his effort, that is the difference, even planetary attacks and such are boringly childish in comparison to Saitama's power. Wonder Woman's ridiculously high feats are shadowed by Superman almost completely., They all piggy back off of his importance in an effort to keep her relevant. Her own post crisis solo series aren't even close to the showings she has in his comics.

Again it doesn't matter since those are still his highest showings anything else is speculation. We aren't debating potential power here, this the battle forums and we have to got by showings. And Saitama clearly had to get serious to deal with a supposed planet level attack. And who cares about Superman. WW's high end shadows Saitama's and that's all that matters.

His highest showings come with the context of not trying hardly at all. Being so depressed that the fight was so easy even after redirecting a planet-level attack with the concussive force of his fist moving in the air. Context is key.

except that is not ture. The mere fact that he had to use his serious punch shows that he was indeed trying. Maybe not going all out but it still wasn't easy.

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#165 Posted by Cable_Extreme (16791 posts) - - Show Bio

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@cable_extreme: But anime isn’t taken as the number 1 canon so this isn’t valid. It’s not planetary.

It never ruled out planet level, so it is cannon.

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#166 Posted by TheWatcherKing (18622 posts) - - Show Bio

@watcher5000 said:
@cable_extreme said:
@watcher5000 said:

Wow now, Boros is strong and is definitely above any confirmed Dragon Level threat, but he and Monster Garou have never truly been confirmed to be God Level threats.

Well saying above dragon would be god level as that is the only bracket. One stated Boros was above Dragon. What else could he be? There are only 5 threat levels.

Wolf: Any potential threat or threat that poses a danger to an unknown degree.

Tiger: Any threat to a large number of people.

Demon: Any threat to a city and its people.

Dragon: Any threat to multiple cities.

God: A threat endangering the survival of humanity in general. Link

Which one is above dragon?

I personally think he's dragon level+, because in canon he doesn't have any legitimate statement putting him at God Level. I'm pretty sure if people like Boros and Garou were God level threats it would be explicitly stated.

In the manga and anime, there was never a + level added, it always either was a certain level or met the requirements of the next threat level. The next logical step of above multiple cities is god level, humanity.

There is a huge difference in power from being a threat to multiple cities and being able to wipe out humanity.

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#168 Posted by EcoBlitz (5309 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme: except it kinda does when it caps it at “planet surface razing”

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#169 Posted by Cable_Extreme (16791 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme said:
@emperorthanos said:
@cable_extreme said:
@emperorthanos said:
@cable_extreme said:
@emperorthanos said:
@cable_extreme said:
@kanyecosby said:

@cable_extreme: Boros would get curbstomped by either Superman or Hulk. I see what you are saying about Saitama not showing his upper limits yet, but here on the vine, we go by what they have already accomplished, not by speculation. We don’t really know how powerful Saitama is. He could be only planetary, but he could also be WAY above that. We don’t really know, which is why we go by what they have already shown. We can’t use NLFs.

He easily reflected a "at the very least" planetary attack using the concussive force of his hand moving through the air... You try making a punching bag move by waving your hand around in front of it... He not only reflected the attack, but there was enough force left over to split the jet stream around the world. The level of strength he has, and consistency is far better than the consistent showings of Wonder Woman who had a knack for constantly failing which resulted in superman to have Superman pick up the slack. She would have her showing every once in awhile but her durability on a consistent basis was crap.

consistency implies that Saitama has repeatedly showing planetary attacks. Which is not the case. He simply has one attack on that level and nothing else. You can argue consistency when Saitama only has one fight that puts him high tier and nothing else in that level. Sure you can say that he has yet to face an opponent like Boros but I still wouldn't say there is anything consistent about Saitama until he gets more showings. Which is also why the legitamacy of Boros's statement is very questionable because that entire statement is a complete outlier to rest of manga. If we took every databook seriously than manga characters would be a lot stronger than most give them credit for. However the fact reamins that it is still a statement that is unsupported by any other feats within the manga. Even showings since the Boros fight have are not on that level despite the villains supposedly being similar to Boros.

He has never struggled at all with any attack at any range. Wonder Woman on the other hand has struggled and been defeated by less-than solar system attacks/beings.

The statement isn't an outlier of the entire manga when the whole series was a ramp-up to that point. It is obvious of One's intentions with Boros, it wasn't his intention to make Boros appear stronger than he was. One stated that Boros disaster level was above Dragon level leaving only God level. This makes him a worldly threat to humanities survival. Boros is easily world level confirmed but the manga and especially the anime at the very least. Saitama is above world level as he didn't struggle at all against Boros.

Youa re missing my point. You argue that Saitama being planet level is consistent. however he has only one feat that planet level. Yes Wonder Woman has low showings but she also has ridiculously high ones as well which is why the topic of consistency comes up and we go by the middle ground. The middle ground for Saitama would not be planet level.(Note my point is not that Saitama isn't palnet level but rather brining up consistency when debating Saitama makes no sense.)

It is an outlier. There is no other feat in the entire series that comes anywhere near that statement. It is leagues above anything else shown after the fight as well. Why would you ramp up to a fight and not make the next set of villains even stronger. What ever one has stated doesn't change the fact that it is an outlier feat nor does it change that fact that it is still just a statement. One that is unsupported within the webcomic or manga. Boros has no feats of being world level. He simply has one statement and that's it. Even the collateral damage of that attack wasn't near world level.

One punch man's high showings are still Saitama not really giving his effort, that is the difference, even planetary attacks and such are boringly childish in comparison to Saitama's power. Wonder Woman's ridiculously high feats are shadowed by Superman almost completely., They all piggy back off of his importance in an effort to keep her relevant. Her own post crisis solo series aren't even close to the showings she has in his comics.

Again it doesn't matter since those are still his highest showings anything else is speculation. We aren't debating potential power here, this the battle forums and we have to got by showings. And Saitama clearly had to get serious to deal with a supposed planet level attack. And who cares about Superman. WW's high end shadows Saitama's and that's all that matters.

His highest showings come with the context of not trying hardly at all. Being so depressed that the fight was so easy even after redirecting a planet-level attack with the concussive force of his fist moving in the air. Context is key.

except that is not ture. The mere fact that he had to use his serious punch shows that he was indeed trying. Maybe not going all out but it still wasn't easy.

Serious series was only used out of respect since Boros was using his finishing move too. Saitama didn't show any signs of struggle during that engagement and reflected the attack absolutely.

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#170 Posted by Cable_Extreme (16791 posts) - - Show Bio

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@cable_extreme: except it kinda does when it caps it at “planet surface razing”

Quote it specifically and you will realize it never caps anything.

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#171 Posted by BeaconofStrength (12489 posts) - - Show Bio
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@cable_extreme: You realize the anime isn't the only material for OPM, right?

Obviously, webcomic and manga as well.

You're acting like the anime is the only valid source though, lol. Despite the webcomic not giving us an indicator on how much damage the Roar Cannon would do, the manga saying it would raze the surface of the manga, and the first guidebook saying it'd shave the crust off the planet. The anime is also probably the least canon out of all the media as well.

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#172 Posted by EcoBlitz (5309 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme: borus literally says “I’ll wipe you and the surface of this planet away.” He could have easily said he’s wipe out the solar system or the entire planet but he didn’t because he knows how much stuff he can destroy.

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#173 Edited by Cable_Extreme (16791 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme said:
@watcher5000 said:
@cable_extreme said:
@watcher5000 said:

Wow now, Boros is strong and is definitely above any confirmed Dragon Level threat, but he and Monster Garou have never truly been confirmed to be God Level threats.

Well saying above dragon would be god level as that is the only bracket. One stated Boros was above Dragon. What else could he be? There are only 5 threat levels.

Wolf: Any potential threat or threat that poses a danger to an unknown degree.

Tiger: Any threat to a large number of people.

Demon: Any threat to a city and its people.

Dragon: Any threat to multiple cities.

God: A threat endangering the survival of humanity in general. Link

Which one is above dragon?

I personally think he's dragon level+, because in canon he doesn't have any legitimate statement putting him at God Level. I'm pretty sure if people like Boros and Garou were God level threats it would be explicitly stated.

In the manga and anime, there was never a + level added, it always either was a certain level or met the requirements of the next threat level. The next logical step of above multiple cities is god level, humanity.

There is a huge difference in power from being a threat to multiple cities and being able to wipe out humanity.

How many cities is too much for multiple cities? Unless it is all of them, it could be considered Dragon level as any percentage could mean multiple. The only thing above multiple is all.

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#174 Posted by Cable_Extreme (16791 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme said:
@beaconofstrength said:

@cable_extreme: You realize the anime isn't the only material for OPM, right?

Obviously, webcomic and manga as well.

You're acting like the anime is the only valid source though, lol. Despite the webcomic not giving us an indicator on how much damage the Roar Cannon would do, the manga saying it would raze the surface of the manga, and the first guidebook saying it'd shave the crust off the planet. The anime is also probably the least canon out of all the media as well.

Raze the surface of the manga Lol jk

Raze is destroy, destroy the surface doesn't exclude destroying the earth like the anime claims. It is still cannon unless there is contradictory evidence.

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#175 Edited by BeaconofStrength (12489 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme: If you read the big post I sent you earlier in full, when you were talking about how Saitama was star level, you'd see that the first manga databook is translated as well, which states that that Boros' Roar Cannon would of shaved the surface of the planet. That's pretty contradictory of the notion of planet busting. And I'd take the manga over the anime in terms of canon.

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#176 Posted by Cable_Extreme (16791 posts) - - Show Bio

@ecoblitz said:

@cable_extreme: borus literally says “I’ll wipe you and the surface of this planet away.” He could have easily said he’s wipe out the solar system or the entire planet but he didn’t because he knows how much stuff he can destroy.

That doesn't rule out planet buster, multiple guidebooks even translate specifically to "planet"-level attack.

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#177 Edited by Cable_Extreme (16791 posts) - - Show Bio

@beaconofstrength said:

@cable_extreme: If you read the big post I sent you earlier in full, when you were talking about how Saitama was star level, you'd see that the first manga databook is translated as well, which states that that Boros' Roar Cannon would of shaved the surface of the planet. That's pretty contradictory of the notion of planet busting. And I'd take the manga over the anime in terms of canon.

You could say anything, I don't read that language.

It would have to be a translation from an official source.

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#178 Edited by BeaconofStrength (12489 posts) - - Show Bio
@cable_extreme said:
@ecoblitz said:

@cable_extreme: borus literally says “I’ll wipe you and the surface of this planet away.” He could have easily said he’s wipe out the solar system or the entire planet but he didn’t because he knows how much stuff he can destroy.

That doesn't rule out planet buster, multiple guidebooks even translate specifically to "planet"-level attack.

The manga guidebook literally says the cannon would shave the planet's surface, not destroy it. It's blatantly false saying multiple guidebooks have translated to planet busting.

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#179 Posted by BeaconofStrength (12489 posts) - - Show Bio
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#180 Posted by Cable_Extreme (16791 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme: Someone did the translation for you, luckily.

From an official capacity? Otherwise I can't trust it as you or they could say anything.

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#181 Posted by EcoBlitz (5309 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme: how does it not rule out a higher power when the exact power and what he’ll do is given? You’re extrapolating without nothing but non-canon to back you up and that’s wrong. It’s like saying “X character used up all his energy and said he could destroy star but that doesn’t mean he can’t use up all his energy to destroy the solar system”

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#182 Edited by BeaconofStrength (12489 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme: The guy went by a step by step process to explain and prove yourself how it works, but whatever, stick with your headcanon that 'multiple' guidebooks said they're planet and star busting.

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#183 Posted by Cable_Extreme (16791 posts) - - Show Bio

@ecoblitz said:

@cable_extreme: how does it not rule out a higher power when the exact power and what he’ll do is given? You’re extrapolating without nothing but non-canon to back you up and that’s wrong. It’s like saying “X character used up all his energy and said he could destroy star but that doesn’t mean he can’t use up all his energy to destroy the solar system”

It is like saying, "I'll burn your apartment down" as you burn the whole apartment complex. He specifically references the part the subject directly cares about without contradicting his later actions.

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#184 Posted by EcoBlitz (5309 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme: except the fact that he states what he can destroy WHILE using up all his life force disproves your claim. The fact that saitama cares about what? The city? Or the entire world( and not just the surface) disputes your claim. The fact that canon statements Dispute your claim? Just stop. Like I said, you’ve got nothing but non-canon and unhealthy extrapolation backing you up.

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#185 Edited by Cable_Extreme (16791 posts) - - Show Bio

@beaconofstrength said:

@cable_extreme: The guy went by a step by step process to explain and prove yourself how it works, but whatever, stick with your headcanon that 'multiple' guidebooks said they're planet and star busting.

I've never argued Saitama was absolutely starbusting. However One never came out and dismissed the book where it claimed he was. Someone translating kanji, a very contextual and complex language over the internet is a bit shady for me, sorry for not taking their head canon.

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#186 Posted by Cable_Extreme (16791 posts) - - Show Bio

@ecoblitz said:

@cable_extreme: except the fact that he states what he can destroy WHILE using up all his life force disproves your claim. The fact that saitama cares about what? The city? Or the entire world( and not just the surface) disputes your claim. The fact that canon statements Dispute your claim? Just stop. Like I said, you’ve got nothing but non-canon and unhealthy extrapolation backing you up.

You keep saying extrapolation and non-canon. Anime is canon and it does not contradict the manga on that aspect. The anime says "all of my power will be unleashed, blasting you and this planet to hell".

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#187 Posted by EcoBlitz (5309 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme: because that’s why you’re doing. And the manga says “I’ll use all my power and blast you and the surface of this planet to hell”

Manga>>>>anime in canon(except you’re dbs)

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#188 Posted by Cable_Extreme (16791 posts) - - Show Bio

@ecoblitz said:

@cable_extreme: because that’s why you’re doing. And the manga says “I’ll use all my power and blast you and the surface of this planet to hell”

Manga>>>>anime in canon(except you’re dbs)

Okay, lets go to the most cannon source, something both the manga and anime are based off of.

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Look at the name of the attack, planet destroying roaring cannon and his intention was to destroy Saitama not the planet.

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#189 Posted by EcoBlitz (5309 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme: attack name doesn’t matter in this case, if not we have universe level vegeta before the buu saga, and kaguya that can kill anyone or anything with the all-killing ash bones.

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#190 Posted by Cable_Extreme (16791 posts) - - Show Bio

@ecoblitz said:

@cable_extreme: attack name doesn’t matter in this case, if not we have universe level vegeta before the buu saga, and kaguya that can kill anyone or anything with the all-killing ash bones.

The attack name does matter, especially from the most cannon-source where it literally says planet destroying roaring cannon. How more clear do you want it to get than that?

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#191 Posted by EcoBlitz (5309 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme: wow, attack name matters now? I guess vegeta has been universe level since andiod saga, and kaguya can kill anything or anyone with her all-killing ash bones since she can kill all things ignoring any and every form of defense in the process. 😶

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#192 Posted by Cable_Extreme (16791 posts) - - Show Bio

@ecoblitz said:

@cable_extreme: wow, attack name matters now? I guess vegeta has been universe level since andiod saga, and kaguya can kill anything or anyone with her all-killing ash bones since she can kill all things ignoring any and every form of defense in the process. 😶

It matters in context with what other sources state, multiple guidbooks and the anime.

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#193 Posted by EcoBlitz (5309 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme: context of kaguya’s attack involves her killing people and things too so I guess she ignores all forms of defense and kills with her super killing hax bones then. At this point you’re just using your head canon. Attack name matters lol. I guess “my wife is the best in the universe swing” must be really special too, or “burning man: flaming chariot kick” guess he’s a chariot or he becomes one.

Anyway, I’m done. If you believe that it’s planet level because it’s in the name then go ahead. Bye. 😁

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#194 Posted by Pyrrhusoe (48 posts) - - Show Bio

saitama is fodder

Naruto is fodder

IDK mel

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#195 Edited by Cable_Extreme (16791 posts) - - Show Bio

@ecoblitz said:

@cable_extreme: context of kaguya’s attack involves her killing people and things too so I guess she ignores all forms of defense and kills with her super killing hax bones then. At this point you’re just using your head canon. Attack name matters lol. I guess “my wife is the best in the universe swing” must be really special too, or “burning man: flaming chariot kick” guess he’s a chariot or he becomes one.

Anyway, I’m done. If you believe that it’s planet level because it’s in the name then go ahead. Bye. 😁

You ironically say i'm using head canon in a reply to a post of me linking sources supporting my statements. You then try to dismiss them with your own fallacious head-canon (straw man) by trying to compare Kayuga and Vegeta to Boros attack-wise which is completely irrelevant to the current debate. You then bring up more straw man fallacies with the whole wife and burning-man fabrications.

The attack name of "planet destroying roaring cannon" in the web comics developed by One which also has the anime and multiple guidebooks claiming it is a planet busting attack is important and gives credit to the attack. That is my evidence.

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#196 Posted by XLR87T3 (10201 posts) - - Show Bio

@ecoblitz said:

@cable_extreme: because that’s why you’re doing. And the manga says “I’ll use all my power and blast you and the surface of this planet to hell”

Manga>>>>anime in canon(except you’re dbs)

False. The anime is actually more canon than the manga, which is why ONE corrected the many translation mistakes and added in new material, like how Saitama got his outfit (which again is 100% canon).

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#197 Posted by Wally_West-The_Fastest_Man_Alive (268 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Woman wins round 1

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#198 Posted by UltraNerdz (91 posts) - - Show Bio

Ok the wank for anime team is too much while anime team don't get stomped and have chance at winning that chance is pretty low Wonder women is faster stronger and way more durable then all three of these characters. Also again that's if you believe the whole satiama being star level thing.

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#199 Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks (403 posts) - - Show Bio

Collapsing star roaring cannon has surface wiping power only. Wanking Saitama to star level because of a mistranslated databook is ridiculous. PC WonderWoman curbs.

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#200 Edited by TheWatcherKing (18622 posts) - - Show Bio

@xlr87t3 said:
@ecoblitz said:

@cable_extreme: because that’s why you’re doing. And the manga says “I’ll use all my power and blast you and the surface of this planet to hell”

Manga>>>>anime in canon(except you’re dbs)

False. The anime is actually more canon than the manga, which is why ONE corrected the many translation mistakes and added in new material, like how Saitama got his outfit (which again is 100% canon).

What proof do you have for that statement?