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#1 Posted by mega6382 (1920 posts) - - Show Bio

If Might Guy is reincarnated using the Impure World Reincarnation Jutsu(I know he's not dead, just hypothetical) and has infinite chakra and can maintain his Eight Gates Released Formation indefinitely without any damage/pain/stress to his body, is there anyone who can beat him?

Bonus: how will he do against Dragon Ball (Z/Super) characters in this form?

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#2 Posted by katanalauncher (3611 posts) - - Show Bio

He would still lose to most God tiers like dual rinnegan Madara and Naruto,Sasuke,DMS Kakashi.

In DBZ he would lose early on against Vegeta.

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#3 Posted by Xyzen (659 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes Juudara and up beat him.

In DB he reaches Namek.

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#4 Posted by Arthur_Morgan (208 posts) - - Show Bio
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#6 Posted by Arthur_Morgan (208 posts) - - Show Bio

@xyzen: who from the frieza arc?

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#7 Posted by killers10333 (3426 posts) - - Show Bio

Im not sure even madara would beat him, though to be fair gai had help when he nearly killed him

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#8 Posted by Xyzen (659 posts) - - Show Bio

@arthur_morgan: I'd have to re read the series, he beats Vegeta on Earth but Frezia spanks him so in-between.

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#9 Posted by Arthur_Morgan (208 posts) - - Show Bio
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#10 Posted by ourmanuel (11364 posts) - - Show Bio

Only people like juudara and kaguya could beat him due to immortality.

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#11 Posted by BrainDrain (41 posts) - - Show Bio

He is pretty powerful but strong enough regen should negate what he should be able to do. I personally think he'd stomp the Ginyu Force much worse than what Goku did, I'd put him at about awakened Namek Vegeta level.

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#12 Edited by Arthur_Morgan (208 posts) - - Show Bio

how strong is eight gates guy?

why do ppl put him on the level of multi planet level characters?

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#13 Posted by shirso (3999 posts) - - Show Bio

He would beat the Jesus duo.

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#14 Posted by zgtfreak (1869 posts) - - Show Bio

DMS Kakashi smacks him.

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#15 Posted by Redshift_Bacon (383 posts) - - Show Bio

@arthur_morgan: Because the Naruto Wank has been hard based on Momoshiki exposition lately.

OT: Anybody with BFR capabilities in Naruto smacks. Any So6P-Tier character, such as So6P SM Naruto or Rinnegan Sasuke smacks. Guy's only got Physicals and Regen going for him and even then he will be physically weakened and slowed by the Impure World Reincarnation. Might Guy defeats Goku or Piccolo from the Raditz fight, and Chiaotzu from the Saiyans fight, but doesn't have the physicals to put down any of the other characters in the Arc, who are all Between Moon-Busting and Planet-Busting.

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#16 Edited by silentNightz (391 posts) - - Show Bio

I think he’d eat Naruto verse alive. He literally almost killed SP Madara in minutes, despite the drawbacks. W/o drawbacks, he smashes almost everyone. No one has taijutsu skills on him.

DBZ current wise: irrelevant still

DBZ Arc-wise: Saiyan invasion; Nappa level(generous)

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#17 Posted by weebbicboi (1034 posts) - - Show Bio

@silentnightz: Madara wasn't even serious against Gai lmao

OT: He would lose to these guys:

-DMS Kakashi

-Kaguya

-1 Rinnegan Juubidara (2 rinnegan and 3 eyed Maddy as well)

-Rinnegan Sasuke

-Six Paths Naruto

-Fused Momo (if Gai lands a hit wins tbh)

-Toneri (same as above)

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#18 Edited by Azureus (2581 posts) - - Show Bio

1 Eyed Rinnegan Madara and Toneri beating Guy? Y'all fellas killing me out here.

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#19 Edited by mega6382 (1920 posts) - - Show Bio

A lot of people have been mentioning DMS Kakashi and DR juubi Madara, can you please provide some reason for these?

DMS Kakashi:

- Kamaui: I don't think it is fast enough(I could be wrong, please provide reasons)

- Perfect Susanoo: Hashirama handle susanoo covered Kurama, so surely Guy can handle Kakashi's susanoo(I could be wrong, please provide reasons)

DR juubi Madara:

I don't think he has many feats as DR juubi Madara, cause soon after he was taken over by Kaguya(I could be wrong, please provide feats)

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#20 Posted by silentNightz (391 posts) - - Show Bio

@weebbicboi: he was serious enough to know 5 hits from the night elephant was gonna be bad for him, by statement ‘ALMOST DIED’.

Kakashi- No, Guy is way too fast and totally rocks Susanoo single punch. Close combat battle, Kakashi has no chance to Kamui Shuriken

Kaguya- Well, he can’t seal her, maybe he can kill her. Momoshiki was stronger and they killed him....idk. She probably does it.

Juubidara- ugh...which version is this? I’m seeing SP Madara. Clarify

Rinnegan Sasuke- No the physical disadvantage is still too great. Sasuke won’t have a chance to use ninjutsu, maybe CT but tht night elephant is too savage without previous limits, morning peacock on smack lol

Six Paths Naruto- Arguable, but Naruto has never been hit with anything like tht. I think ppl are underestimating the physical GOD Guy turns into

Fused Momoshiki- No, gets trashed hard, like super hard.

Toneri- Arguable, his level of flight will really be clutch in this fight. I think Guy still can’t fly, just air jump(?), but Guy hits hard enough to do mad damage. Won’t be a short fight, but it’ll still be a W for guy

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#21 Posted by WorldofRuin6 (3102 posts) - - Show Bio

The only characters that would take the majority against unlimited Gai are DMS Kakashi, Juudara and Kaguya. Naruto and Sauce could win if they got up PS/Kurama avatar fast enough.

Lol @ Toneri beating Gai. The glass cannon gets one or two shot.

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#22 Edited by Redshift_Bacon (383 posts) - - Show Bio

People are forgetting that Reincarnations are physically weaker and slower than their Alive counterparts. This is a big difference too. Edo Madara and Hashirama were equals, yet when Madara is Revived, he lost both Rinnegan and EMS and STILL smacked Edo Hashi no-difficulty. Yall are seriously underestimating this handicap. At best Guy comes back with Kaguya level Physicals (still far beyond anyone else in the War Arc, blitzing Naruto and Sasuke, being able to 1-shot them) but that isnt going to help him in most of the fights mentioned. Madara literally took his strongest attack to the face on purpose, he was able to say half a sentence in the time it took Gai to reach him.

DMS Kakashi still BFRs. Kaguya still BFRs. Current Sasuke can still react and teleport, BFR. Current Naruto would shit on Gai, plus his regeneration is some of the best in the series atm. Gai is still weak to Genjutsu so Itachi and Shisui could probably get the job done. Momoshiki would casually obliterate him. Kinshiki and Urashiki would also likely stomp with little dofficulty.

He might be able to take 1-Rinnegan Juubidara,Toneri, War-Arc Rinnegan Sasuke, but really thats about as far as he gets and thats being generous tbh.

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#23 Posted by UltimateSage (2589 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyone 2 eyed juubidara and up beat him.

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#24 Posted by Anomalous (320 posts) - - Show Bio

Only double rinnegan Juubidara, kaguya and possibly Momoshiki.

He would still lose to most God tiers like dual rinnegan Madara and Naruto,Sasuke,DMS Kakashi.

In DBZ he would lose early on against Vegeta.

He'd beat Kakashi, Naruto and Sasuke pretty easily (maybe stalemate Sasuke because of teleportation). At best their durability is equal to Juubidara's but they don't have the regen capabilities to survive a hit like he did.

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#25 Edited by AlexTheBoss (17391 posts) - - Show Bio

@redshift_bacon: @arthur_morgan: nobody before Frieza is multi planet level, and I don’t see anyone claiming he can beat Frieza.

On how strong Guy is, physically he is stronger than a lot of people in DBZ, but his durability is trash and if Raditz landed a hit he would one shot him. So if let’s say Napa starts off with his AOE finger move Guy could stop there, but if Napa engaged in hand to hand combat Guy would kill him.

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#26 Edited by Rabii99 (1389 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh god, people really think Guy is double Rinnegan Rinnegan Juudara's level. Guy beat an incomplete non-immortal Juudara. These characters beat him even if he had indefinite 8 gates:

  • Juubito prior to taking out god tree from himself(immortal and hard-counters Guy with TSBs).
  • Juudara post god tree(same as Juubito)
  • SOSP Naruto(Kurama avatar, clones...)
  • Kaguya(I don't think I need to explain why she wins)
  • DMS Kakashi(intangibility, Perfect Susanoo, snipes Guy's head off)

Rinnegan Sasuke loses more than not, he can't spam Amenotjikara and tends to not start with Perfect Susanoo.

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#27 Posted by Soothing_Sounds (2160 posts) - - Show Bio

Only Kaguya beats him due to being immortal. Nobody's touching Might Guy, he has the highest combat speed in the series. He should just wear everyone down after some time.

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#28 Posted by MrE (10 posts) - - Show Bio

Any other God Tier stomps on him.

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#29 Posted by Laiks Stake (1282 posts) - - Show Bio

@azureus said:

1 Eyed Rinnegan Madara and Toneri beating Guy? Y'all fellas killing me out here.

Do you understand that Guy was only able to touch him because Kakashi used kamui on Madara's gudoudamas?

Madara wanted to fight him toe to toe, he didn't used Limbo to one shot Guy who couldn't see, sense or touch the shadow.

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#30 Posted by Laiks Stake (1282 posts) - - Show Bio

@rabii99 said:

Oh god, people really think Guy is double Rinnegan Rinnegan Juudara's level. Guy beat an incomplete non-immortal Juudara

No, he didn't, he LOST that fight besides the fact that Madara was holding back and could one shot him with Limbo.

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#31 Edited by ourmanuel (11364 posts) - - Show Bio

@laiks stake:

are you high? How’s limbo going to oneshot guy?

The only argument that can be made is for TSBs, which could Probably be damaged by enough shockwaves from sekizo

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#32 Posted by ourmanuel (11364 posts) - - Show Bio

@arthur_morgan: Because the Naruto Wank has been hard based on Momoshiki exposition lately.

What exposition? He’s the second weakest 6 paths user in the series, after kinshiki.

@rabii99 said:

Oh god, people really think Guy is double Rinnegan Rinnegan Juudara's level.

He’s not “on his level” per se, but he holds a massive advantage in speed and blunt force attacks.

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#33 Posted by Anomalous (320 posts) - - Show Bio

@rabii99 said:

Oh god, people really think Guy is double Rinnegan Rinnegan Juudara's level. Guy beat an incomplete non-immortal Juudara. These characters beat him even if he had indefinite 8 gates:

  • Juubito prior to taking out god tree from himself(immortal and hard-counters Guy with TSBs).
  • Juudara post god tree(same as Juubito)
  • SOSP Naruto(Kurama avatar, clones...)
  • Kaguya(I don't think I need to explain why she wins)
  • DMS Kakashi(intangibility, Perfect Susanoo, snipes Guy's head off)

Rinnegan Sasuke loses more than not, he can't spam Amenotjikara and tends to not start with Perfect Susanoo.

Speed-wise Guy beats everyone in the series (depending on how you rank teleportation, but just because the teleport is instant doesn't mean teleporters can react to everything). During Night Guy he presumably moves at or above light speed since he warps space in the direction he's moving. It's really a matter of who can tank a hit from him.

Even being incomplete with 1 rinnegan, Juubidara's regen is FAR superior to So6P Naruto's and it's a stretch to say Susanoo or Kurama avatar have enough durability. If susanoo durability is superior to the skin of a Juubi jinchuriki why didn't Juubidara ever use it once? And before anyone says it's because he can't use MS abilities while he's Juubi host that's wrong. He used Kamui from Kakashi's eye just fine.

Juubito is just...no. Guy slaughters him, 1 rinnegan Juubidara slaughters him, So6P Naruto OR Rinnegan Sasuke slaughter him.

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#34 Posted by Dadpool (59 posts) - - Show Bio

LOL at people believing that 8 Gate Guy can beat Sasuke.

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#35 Edited by Redshift_Bacon (383 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss: Ok..? 1st Form Freeza destroyed Planet Vegeta, which has 10x the Earth's Mass, with a finger.

Piccolo Destroyed the Moon. Even if you want to say nobody until Freeza is Multi-Planet, that is irrelevant. Gai isn't even a Moon Buster, and the only planet buster is Kaguya and she never even actually busted a planet, its just hyperbole. Gai beating Piccolo and Goku is generous.

@ourmanuel Based on quotes in the Novelization of the Boruto Movie, (which is apparently "canon"), over time, Momoshiki drains an entire Solar System within his dimension for energy.

@anomalous Warping Space doesn't mean he is moving FTL or even Light-Speed for that matter. We already saw a Lightspeed attack in Madara's Lightfang, and Naruto only dodged that based on Precog. Madara literally didn't even move in that panel, meaning he is massively below Light Speed. The fact that Madara can move the TSB at similar speeds to Gai is just more proof that Gai is nowhere near Lightspeed. He is faster than any of the characters bar perhaps Kaguya but Lightspeed? And hes kicking up Dust? Lol. Where are the Calcs..? Nonexistent.

Don't even get me started about how Impure World Reincarnation is a massive Speed and Strength debuff.

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#36 Edited by Rabii99 (1389 posts) - - Show Bio

@laiks stake said:
@rabii99 said:

Oh god, people really think Guy is double Rinnegan Rinnegan Juudara's level. Guy beat an incomplete non-immortal Juudara

No, he didn't, he LOST that fight besides the fact that Madara was holding back and could one shot him with Limbo.

Fair enough, I forgot Guy needed Kakashi to open a path in Madara's TSB shell with Kamui. A non-jobbing pre-god tree Madara should win.

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Speed-wise Guy beats everyone in the series (depending on how you rank teleportation, but just because the teleport is instant doesn't mean teleporters can react to everything). During Night Guy he presumably moves at or above light speed since he warps space in the direction he's moving. It's really a matter of who can tank a hit from him.

No, he does not beat everyone in the series speed-wise. SOSP Naruto replicated Guy's best speed feat rather casually.

Even being incomplete with 1 rinnegan, Juubidara's regen is FAR superior to So6P Naruto's

Yeah.

and it's a stretch to say Susanoo or Kurama avatar have enough durability. If susanoo durability is superior to the skin of a Juubi jinchuriki why didn't Juubidara ever use it once? And before anyone says it's because he can't use MS abilities while he's Juubi host that's wrong. He used Kamui from Kakashi's eye just fine.

Madara not using Perfect Susanoo is obvious plot induced stupidity and Kishimoto restricting/nerfing Madara like him not using Izanagi or swapping with limbo when Zetsu betrayed him and not having Limbo use abilities despite Kishimoto confirming that they can.

Juubito is just...no. Guy slaughters him, 1 rinnegan Juubidara slaughters him, So6P Naruto OR Rinnegan Sasuke slaughter him.

Juubito prior to taking out the god tree from himself is immortal like post god tree Madara and has TSBs and TSB shell. Need I remind you that Guy needed Minato to protect him from a TSB by teleporting it out of it's effective range and needed Kakashi to open a path to Madara inside his TSB shell?

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#37 Posted by ourmanuel (11364 posts) - - Show Bio

@redshift_bacon:

I’ve seen the same quote too, and that’s just a mistranslation.

Unless you can post the quote here cuz we might be talking about different things.

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#38 Posted by Redshift_Bacon (383 posts) - - Show Bio

@ourmanuel: No we are talking about the same thing, but theres a growing number of people arguing the opposite.

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#39 Posted by Rabii99 (1389 posts) - - Show Bio

@rabii99 said:

Oh god, people really think Guy is double Rinnegan Rinnegan Juudara's level.

He’s not “on his level” per se, but he holds a massive advantage in speed and blunt force attacks.

No, he doesn't. Dual Rinnegan Madara's limbo clones were hanging around with clones of SOSP Naruto with cloak. Cloakless SOSP Naruto replicated Guy's best speed feat.

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#40 Posted by EmperorMode (209 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyone juubidara(post Shinju Tree absorbed) and above stomps the shit outta him.

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#41 Edited by ourmanuel (11364 posts) - - Show Bio

@rabii99: quit kidding around.

Naruto blitzed a half dead Madara who was still injured from Night Guy.

Which should be obvious by author’s intent based on the obvious lack of space bending being caused by his movements.

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#42 Posted by Anomalous (320 posts) - - Show Bio

@rabii99 said:

Speed-wise Guy beats everyone in the series (depending on how you rank teleportation, but just because the teleport is instant doesn't mean teleporters can react to everything). During Night Guy he presumably moves at or above light speed since he warps space in the direction he's moving. It's really a matter of who can tank a hit from him.

No, he does not beat everyone in the series speed-wise. SOSP Naruto replicated Guy's best speed feat rather casually.

Even being incomplete with 1 rinnegan, Juubidara's regen is FAR superior to So6P Naruto's

Yeah.

and it's a stretch to say Susanoo or Kurama avatar have enough durability. If susanoo durability is superior to the skin of a Juubi jinchuriki why didn't Juubidara ever use it once? And before anyone says it's because he can't use MS abilities while he's Juubi host that's wrong. He used Kamui from Kakashi's eye just fine.

Madara not using Perfect Susanoo is obvious plot induced stupidity and Kishimoto restricting/nerfing Madara like him not using Izanagi or swapping with limbo when Zetsu betrayed him and not having Limbo use abilities despite Kishimoto confirming that they can.

Juubito is just...no. Guy slaughters him, 1 rinnegan Juubidara slaughters him, So6P Naruto OR Rinnegan Sasuke slaughter him.

Juubito prior to taking out the god tree from himself is immortal like post god tree Madara and has TSBs and TSB shell. Need I remind you that Guy needed Minato to protect him from a TSB by teleporting it out of it's effective range and needed Kakashi to open a path to Madara inside his TSB shell?

1. When has Naruto ever shown a FTL feat? Dodging fang of light isn't objectively FTL. The manga shows Madara swinging it as if he was trying to cut Naruto's head off; you 100% have to rely on anime to say it was being aimed directly at him initially.

2. Or maybe it's just because it'd be pointless since, as Juubi's jinchuriki, his base defense is higher than Susanoo and it'd only slow him down to use it. That's entirely possible

3. There is no such thing as immortal here. It's like Saitama. Best feat = upper limit. And as far as TSB effectiveness there is a massive difference between "regular" 8th gate Guy and Night Guy. The latter has already countered TSB when Madara made a staff out of one before he took the hit. Night Guy turns TSB into play doh:

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#43 Posted by AlexTheBoss (17391 posts) - - Show Bio

@redshift_bacon:

Ok..?

You were agreeing with someone who seemed to imply saiyan saga tier characters are multi planet level, which they aren't unless you go by that filler King Vegeta feat.

1st Form Freeza destroyed Planet Vegeta, which has 10x the Earth's Mass, with a finger.

It's a ki attack, it coming from one finger doesn't necessarily make it weaker. And King Kai's planet also has 10x Earth gravity but it's tiny. The feat is planet level, but it is enough to give Frieza a good case for multi planet level, as long as the planets are like Earth sized and not Jupiter sized.

Piccolo Destroyed the Moon.

Which isn't even close to multi planet level. Supposedly destroying the moon requires 1,000x less energy than Earth, and even if you ignore that it has over 80x less mass.

That being said, if Piccolo landed that attack on Guy, it would most likely kill him and I never denied that.

Even if you want to say nobody until Freeza is Multi-Planet, that is irrelevant. Gai isn't even a Moon Buster, and the only planet buster is Kaguya and she never even actually busted a planet, its just hyperbole. Gai beating Piccolo and Goku is generous.

Piccolo and Goku both have more raw energy power than Guy, but Guy would slaughter them in hand to hand combat. It basically comes down to who hits with what first.

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#44 Edited by Rabii99 (1389 posts) - - Show Bio

@ourmanuel:There is no proof that Madara getting heavily damaged affected his reactions but let's suppose that it did, The Naruto that blitzed Madara was cloakless , the cloak is an incomparably better boost than curse mark which turned Sasuke from getting blitzed by Naruto to being faster so cloaked Naruto is still faster than Guy.

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1. When has Naruto ever shown a FTL feat? Dodging fang of light isn't objectively FTL. The manga shows Madara swinging it as if he was trying to cut Naruto's head off; you 100% have to rely on anime to say it was being aimed directly at him initially.

Naruto hanging around with a superior Madara and dodging the lightfang is better than any of Guy's speed feats . Also, Bending space isn't FTL.

2. Or maybe it's just because it'd be pointless since, as Juubi's jinchuriki, his base defense is higher than Susanoo and it'd only slow him down to use it. That's entirely possible

Considering that perfect susanoo can remake any lost or damaged parts, it would've been better to go Perfect Susanoo.

3. There is no such thing as immortal here. It's like Saitama. Best feat = upper limit.

Possesors of the god tree can't die(at least not in the Narutoverse). What you're saying is that the Six paths sun moon seal was pointless.

And as far as TSB effectiveness there is a massive difference between "regular" 8th gate Guy and Night Guy. The latter has already countered TSB when Madara made a staff out of one before he took the hit. Night Guy turns TSB into play doh:

The scan you posted doesn't show Guy "countering TSB", just him bending space and the TSB staff reacting to that. Guy canonically needed Minato to teleport a TSB and Kakashi to open a path to Madara inside his TSB shell. Bending space doesn't change that.

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#45 Posted by ourmanuel (11364 posts) - - Show Bio

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@ourmanuel:There is no proof that Madara getting heavily damaged affected his reactions but let's suppose that it did,

So in summary: “near death injuries don’t affect reactions”

Gotcha.

The Naruto that blitzed Madara was cloakless,

Naruto never even blitzed Madara to begin with.

Thats just a myth that viners started throwing around to wank.

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#46 Posted by Antonio_1996 (1252 posts) - - Show Bio

Doesn't beat the God-tiers.

Loses to Dual Rinnegan Madara

Loses to Six Paths Naruto. Adult Naruto straight up stomps.

Loses to Sasuke.

Loses to DMS Kakashi.

Momoshiki could also win if he doesn't go for h2h in which case he'd lose.

Kaguya stomps.

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#47 Posted by Rabii99 (1389 posts) - - Show Bio

@rabii99 said:

@ourmanuel:There is no proof that Madara getting heavily damaged affected his reactions but let's suppose that it did,

So in summary: “near death injuries don’t affect reactions”

Gotcha.

The Naruto that blitzed Madara was cloakless,

Naruto never even blitzed Madara to begin with.

Thats just a myth that viners started throwing around to wank.

Yeah, guess that's just a myth. "Have I not fully recovered?" "No... his power suddenly increased".

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#48 Posted by Azureus (2581 posts) - - Show Bio

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1 Eyed Rinnegan Madara and Toneri beating Guy? Y'all fellas killing me out here.

Do you understand that Guy was only able to touch him because Kakashi used kamui on Madara's gudoudamas?

Madara wanted to fight him toe to toe, he didn't used Limbo to one shot Guy who couldn't see, sense or touch the shadow.

Do you understand there was nothing Madara could except remain on the defensive?

You say Madara wanted to fight him toe to toe, but Madara was busy blocking Guys attacks literally the entire fight, and the only opening for an actual fight he had, he opted for a defensive position.

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#49 Posted by ourmanuel (11364 posts) - - Show Bio

@rabii99 said:

Yeah, guess that's just a myth.

It is. Naruto never blitzed him, unless your definition of blitz is amiss.

"Have I not fully recovered?" "No... his power suddenly increased".

That’s not the proper translation from Japanese. He said something more along the lines of “is it because I haven’t completed my regeneration?”

And he was referring to how strong naruto had gotten.

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#50 Edited by Rabii99 (1389 posts) - - Show Bio

@ourmanuel:

It is. Naruto never blitzed him, unless your definition of blitz is amiss.

Blitz literally means not having the opponent react/dodge your attack. If you don't consider what Naruto did as a "blitz" then neither did Guy blitz Madara so Naruto is still faster since he did it more casually than Night Guy.

That’s not the proper translation from Japanese. He said something more along the lines of “is it because I haven’t completed my regeneration?”

And he was referring to how strong naruto had gotten.

I've just checked the official translation and it says pretty much the same thing: "Is it because I haven't finished healing yet?" "No... his powers suddenly grown". What would be the negation of "Is it because I haven't finished healing yet?"? It'd be "I have finished healing."

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