Naruto God Tiers vs One Piece God Tiers

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the original is very very mismatch

I'm not wanking Naruto, I also read the manga op or watch the anime.

but this is too far when compared to every god tier naruto.

every character above BSM Naruto is enough for solo OP alone eg juubito or juudara.

even naruto the last is enough

if there is a wanking op that says logia can't be touched or gear 5 luffy solo it's all just stupid they can't compare a concrete truth

Greetings of peace

Like 8 of the characters in the Naruto team solo One Piece

Pretty much everyone on the Naruto team solos except Hashirama and the juubi solos but even then, they ain’t losing in a team match. This is a horrible mismatch, kizaru is the only that may survive and even that’s debatable when TSB’s or ETSB comes into the equation

11 characters from the Naruto list solo the verse.

LOL @ that one.

Roger and Prime Whitebeard one shot them all.

Everyone in Narutoverse are glass cannons. One good hit and they go down. Toneri is the prime example of that. :P

@kajin_style: you mean the Chakra infused punch that, right before oneshotting Toneri and his Tenseigan form, overpowered and busted a moon lvl light beam?

Then we can talk about Big Meme, one of the hardest OP hobos, getting fucked up by a bike and some falling pipes. Do not forget when a piece of broken glass cut her too 🤪

Meanwhile in Naruto:

That's you right there ^

Yes, Big Mom got knocked over by a bike. Like how Sasuke got stabbed by Madara:

It is not a big deal that it happened. Our heroes and villains pushed through those Plot induced stupid moments. Some of it is clearly for gag relief Like Naruto getting bodied by a child:

Or how everyone memes Luffy for not catching Gazelle man despite being distracted but who cares right? It is not like we are doing debates where anti-feats matter. Like Juubidara getting cut in half:

What these debates should be about their best moments and they shit they can do when everything is on the line--

Oh wait you were memeing? Right me too. :P

Naruto team in an utter annihilation, they then go on to take over the verse. Luckily for One piece team Isshiki isn’t here LOL.

Juubito would be considered the “weakest” by only wonky scaling but even he can literally spam Juubi bombs… add each other character & you can see how it gets more and more lopsided and that’s considering they don’t even have Isshiki lol. Prove me otherwise.

Like, half of the Naruto list can solo the entirety of OP, tf is this lol

Luffy is island level, and he is basically one of the strongest atm. Naruto god tiers are like large island to small country, also, is this composite Naruto? The last is an outlier.

Nope.

God tiers in one piece are practically Top tiers in Naruto -> Hashirama, EMS Madara etc

Kaguya one shots them all with a dimension dump or infinite Tsukuyomi this isn’t debatable at all ONe piece is still the weakest amongst the HST

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Take it as you will but honestly Whitebeard, Roger and perhaps Xebec (Depending if you want to go that far since we know next to nothing of him except that he took on Roger and Garp) could potentially oneshot (Leaning towards Whitebeard due to Aoe). This is because Sengoku stated that Whitebeard had the power to destroy the world (now before you it was hyperbole listen to my reasoning).

1. Sengoku is not just some random he is someone who has a history of being a marine for a long time so much so he became a fleet admiral. During this time in the he would've clashed against many powerful pirates like Shiki, Roger, and Whitebeard learning much. Reaching the height of power he along with Garp would be known to chase and fight Roger, WB, and Shiki.

2. Sengoku is shown and portrayed as a great tactician, smart and a competent person during his time as the fleet admiral. His ability was even being complemented by Wb.

3. If Sengoku is such an intelligent person why would he purposely use hyperbole to hype up his enemy Whitebeard... it makes no sense as not only is Sengoku experienced, smart, but also a great tactician so it makes no sense for him to lie and make the marines potentially lose morale by making Whitebeard up to be this insurmountable destructive force.

4. From this point on you can either say that Oldbeard is "planetary" or that Sengoku referred instead to Primebeard who would is "planetary" while you can make the case that Oldbeard still retained his Prime strength in reference to his devil fruit. I will ere on the side of caution and say that just like his inability to use observation haki (like against Squard) or conquerors haki (to stop Ace's execution) his devil fruit ability has also lessened due to his due to poor health (for this example).

5. Now that we have backed Sengoku's statement as to show why he is telling the truth about how whitebeard has the power to destroy the world I will now go over perhaps some peoples concerns over the statement. The first of the concerns to address is that some will still say "ah but PlagueDocter but we don't know what 'that man has the power to destroy the world' means" while yes we don't have a number through some common sense and taking in the size of the one piece planet we can safely assume whitebeard has incredible destructive capability as I will hopefully show.

As for the common sense part when we talk about someone having the power to destroy the world it basically means they can effect the whole planet with enough power to render the planet into a essentially lifeless state (ie. ending the world) or simply put one could consider surface wiping the planet destroying the world.

So now if we take that as the low ball of just surface wiping the planet as destroying the world then apply that to the size of the one piece planet. Depending on how big you make the one piece world as I have seen calcs range from anywhere from the size of Jupiter to the size of the Sun each using a different basis to size up the planet. Either way we know from Marco himself that there are countless islands as you could keep counting far into the millions and still not count them all and we also know the planet as seen in the library of Ohara seemingly has up to like 7ish moons. Either way we one thing for almost certainty and that is that the one piece world is not like earth and from what all the characters say the planet gives the impression of being much larger than anyone probably thought.

6. Now even if you still don't agree with what I have presented I hope you can at least recognize that Oldbeard while sick still made a seaquake which summoned up a tsunami so high it dwarfed marine battleships which are at least around the height of Oars Jr who is 60 metres tall and which was on the height of some low level clouds. He also summoned many earthquakes and tsunamis which affected islands miles away just from the after effects of his attacks.

7. Some will say "if he was planetary why didn't he destroy all marineford to save ace" and it's quite simple why would whitebeard put all of his allies into danger, potentially kill ace, and sink the very battlefield he will need to fight on in addition why would whitebeard ever need to destroy the world.

Lastly since Whitebeard, Roger, Sengoku and Garp scale to each other that means their Ap match up to whitebeards Dc to compete with him. not to mention Xebec who could very well be a league higher than Roger and Garp and as we go further Imu, Dragon, and Blackbeard will no doubt showcase incredible power especially when blackbeard has the power of whitebeard.

TLDR: Sengoku is no rookie and knows his facts so him saying whitebeard has the power to destroy the world makes sense and even if we low ball the destroying the world to surface wiping and put the size of the one piece world to like say Jupiter the power whitebeard emits is still to much for all of the Naruto high tiers who while have great defense vs charka based/energy attacks their physical durability is quite disappointing as physical attacks seem to always deal great amounts of damage even when they pale in comparison to ninjutsu.

I hope you like my post but before I conclude there is a few thing I wanna say and those are I am only here to showcase and attempt to give thought to the idea that whitebeard and his associated legends are incredible powerhouses in Ap or Ap/Dc in Whitebeards case. And while I do think Whitebeard and the rest if they hit any of the naruto team that naruto character will likely either be dead or dying.

Madara solos

Team 1 spite

This may be a controversial opinion but I don't believe we've seen One Piece God tiers yet. I believe there is at least 1 person (possibly Imu) who stands a full tier above Prime Roger, Prime Whitebeard and even Prime Xebec.

Spite

Several Nardo chars solos

@kajin_style:

It is not like we are doing debates where anti-feats matter. Like Juubidara getting cut in half:

Like how Sasuke got stabbed by Madara:

neither of those are anti feats

@plaguedocter: there is….many things wrong with this assessment.

The first being you are treating Sengoku as an infallible source of information. Him being an experienced general and knowing his capabilities doesn’t mitigate him from exaggeration for his opponent. Literally none of that does and his words in reference to Whitebeard was literally for the purpose of demonstrating how insurmountable of a foe he was. There’s also no time frame he gives for this so how he could destroy the world or how long it would take for him to do it is also completely up in the air which heavily impacts how far the feats can be scaled.

But to play along….going by this standard we have base Nine tails at planetary due to being directly stated could turn the world into ash. And the tailed beasts are even weaker than the jinchuuriki, so even KSM2 Naruto would surpass these planetary ranges. Let alone the multipliers from things such as sage mode and sage of six paths mode. The Naruto planet has also been calced at being larger than earth by multiple times thanks to the Shinju tree as well as the fact that it is a very different composition than our earth with one super continent.

We also have Madara plain as day stating he can destroy all things in the universe which means he can destroy starts and galaxies. Your same reasoning also applies to Madara since he is an incredibly experienced tactician and fully knows his own capability.

We also have Kaguya directly through all sources of information being able to destroy her own dimensions which are shown to contain stars in them, which is at least a solar system+ level feat. And since she’s accomplishing this all with her chakra, this scales straight to the characters in question. So Naruto, Sasuke, Kakashi, and Juubidara are all solar system plus minimum. But this feat can be put up even more since she’s also directly stated to be creating her own time space which can entail universal+ levels of energy.

There’s also a plethora of statements and confirmations of Momoshiki creating and destroying parallel universes or straight up draining entire stars. So again universal+ Naruto characters:

So in short: Planetary levels are fodder to god tiers and only tailed beast nine tail levels at best while god tiers in Naruto are at least solar system+-universal+ easily through a plethora of feats and statements.

You need to understand that if you’re willing to put forth and argue one piece at such absurdly high levels such as Jupiter destroying capabilities. The you also must be ready to face the incredibly high balled level that anyone can argue for their verse such as easily solar system+ to universal level Naruto.

Team 1 by having WAY more feats and even more scaling

couldn't have said it better myself

many Naruto characters solos

one piece is still by far the weakest verse in the holy trinity

@hybrid101:The reason why planetary whitebeard is viable is not just because of someone said he was, there are multiple aspects which play into the claims viability. Such aspects are what is actually being said (is it not a statement and just a metaphor for being destructive, etc), who said it (Themself, someone else, the narrator, databook, etc), what is the qualifications of the person who said it (are they knowledgeable/experienced/smart or perhaps they are the author speaking through fodder, etc), does said aforementioned person have the feats and/or can scale properly to where they could realistically be at said aforementioned strength and lastly does there portrayal befit the power level. As such the aspects could be boiled down to 1. What is said, 2. Who said it (the source), 3. Who is the person who said it, 4. How is it realistic/supported by scaling/feats, 5. Is the aforementioned character portrayed that would put them at the aforementioned power. but to boil the aspects even for down they would be 1. Does it come from a reliable source, 2. Does it fit the portrayed power X has. Now for what you said;

"base Nine tails at planetary due to being directly stated could turn the world into ash. And the tailed beasts are even weaker than the jinchuuriki, so even KSM2 Naruto would surpass these planetary ranges. Let alone the multipliers from things such as sage mode and sage of six paths mode."

Lets run through this with the boiled boiled down aspects with 1. Does it come from a reliable source; Short answer No, long answer the phrase "Turn this world to ash" along with the other phrase of "the tailed beasts shook the shinobi world" both come from either a novel or databook (both of which are generally considered secondhand to the raw source material, manga in this case). As for 2. Does it fit the portrayed power "the tailed beasts" have Short answer No, long answer the tailed beast for the most part (apart from ten tails who is multi/continental-moon depending on where you look) are on average consistently mountain busters with their trademark move (tailed beast bomb). Tailed Beasts though can become quite stronger with a jinchuriki who can control their mass amount of chakra and use it better if they have bonded. As such planetary tailed beasts are not planetary due to lack of foundation to support the claim and the fact that the statement doesn't sync with the rest of the worlds powerlevel.

"The Naruto planet has also been calced at being larger than earth by multiple times thanks to the Shinju tree as well as the fact that it is a very different composition than our earth with one super continent."

Ill say this, the general consensus for the naruto world to my understanding is that it the planet and it's moon are relatively the exact same size as of earth and our moon. While they are similar many think that the planet might be a bit bigger than the earth (nothing like Jupiter but maybe a little smaller than neptune) and the moon a little bit smaller due to it was made to seal the Ten tails. While you can high ball the naruto verse to at max I have seen be the size of saturn-ish with some crazy statements like the planet is the size of jupiter and while that is cool and all the one piece world at minimum is put (mind you with lots of lowball) at bigger than jupiter with some calcs which put it at bigger than our sun not to mention if Ohara's globe is true then the one piece world also has like 7ish moons. As for continents Alabasta is calced around just below 5000km/bigger than Australia and Dressrosa at minimum (using viola scaling) 4000km not including the size of Greenbit.

Now as for the different composition part is it really that different since last I checked naruto didn't have any unique metals and the only thing that comes to mind as to why the naruto world would have a different composition is because the world's magic system is chakra. But on the topic of different compositions then normal one piece is known to have multiple supernatural metals (Wapolmetal, Seastone, and pacifista metal) along with extremely resilient flora and fauna.

"We also have Madara plain as day stating he can destroy all things in the universe which means he can destroy starts and galaxies. Your same reasoning also applies to Madara since he is an incredibly experienced tactician and fully knows his own capability."

A couple problems again and while I do know that some characters can boast and be right that they are as strong as they say it just doesn't help the statements credibility when it is the person who they talk about is themself. The fact that madara (and even obito say they have the power to destroy the world) doesn't mean they can and even you bring up against me the fact that with these statement we don't know how long it would take and how many attacks they would need to do the job and even with the wording of "destroy the world" we have to assume surface wiping.

"We also have Kaguya directly through all sources of information being able to destroy her own dimensions which are shown to contain stars in them, which is at least a solar system+ level feat. And since she’s accomplishing this all with her chakra, this scales straight to the characters in question. So Naruto, Sasuke, Kakashi, and Juubidara are all solar system plus minimum. But this feat can be put up even more since she’s also directly stated to be creating her own time space which can entail universal+ levels of energy."

Now for this of kaguya being "at least solar system" is honestly laughable and I know for many this may be a controversial opinion but as of Shippuden while kaguya is certainly a powerful person in no way does making/destroying your own pocket dimension can you scale that to ap or power for any matter. Even if you say "ah but the chakra to make your own dimension..." sorry to say but there is no calc for something which is essentially pure hax when especially we see people using chakra to make things like lightning and such (It would be akin to trying to scale a wizard from a fantasy who uses mana to make their own pocket dimension to suddenly being universal/galaxy/whatever when all they are doing is using mana to create something and creation is a hax and creation does not scale to ap/dc). Not to mention solar system level kaguya doesn't fit with scaling or portrayal as she was at max seen as someone who can destroy the world but with scaling and feats I'd say she is around moon+ to maybe planetary.

Either way I spent way to much time on this post sorry if I didn't go over some points but this post is so long and I feel like if I went any longer it would become a huge jumbled mess (If it isn't already). I wanted to go more in depth but as I said this post... is massive and I was having a hard time finishing it.

@plaguedocter: Right, and using the same standard, reasoning, and logic you employ, we can find that planetary whiteboard is both not supported through the statement or with scaling and such. To simplify, the same reasoning you employ to dismiss planetary nine tails or solar system level Kaguya can also be used to dismiss large planetary Whitebeard. Let’s begin:

1) Databooks are treated as plenty reliable sources especially since said Databooks were overseen and helped supervised and written by the author himself. In fact Databook statements can generally be more relied upon than regular character statements since characters are of course from fallible language compared to a more infallible narrator for the databook. As for the second part, the exact same reasoning you use to dismiss planetary nine tails also can be used to dismiss large planetary whitebeard. Yonko level characters have consistently been at the continental to multi continental ranges which is a far cry away from baseline planetary, let alone large Jupiter sized planetary. As such, your own words apply to whiteboard as due to lack of foundation and consistency with the world’s power, whiteboard is not planetary.

2) The general consensus I’ve seen for the one piece planet size has been a couple of times the size of earth yes but not Jupiter sized. Of course you can get the one piece planet to Jupiter or sun sized via calcs, however as you point out the same can be done for the Naruto world. Which also has a very different composition than the one piece world, and a planet which didn’t have a moon until it was created which again shows different structure. You can get the Naruto world even higher if you want to since affecting the planet size also increases the shinju tree size which can further increase it. There’s also some issues with your composition of the one piece planet, for example it having 7 moons.

This has not been demonstrated in any capacity whatsoever. In the sky there’s never ever any image of even more than 1 moon on the one piece world and even when Eneru was on the moon itself, there still again wasn’t any visible other moons near him. And when he talks about getting onto “the” moon, he says it in the singular tense, not referring to multiple moon(s) as he should if it had more than one moon. Hell some of the moons depicted in the one piece globe are massive so they should be visible from the world itself, but that is never the case since this is a map of people directly stated to not know everything about the world.

Also not only is the composition of the world itself different but due to the presence of chakra it does impact the technology and resources there as well, considering clear chakra based tools and even androids that have special abilities. There are also clear different structures in the Naruto world such as all the places that the summoning beasts reside in which is completely hidden or a mountain that is forever on fire. So the world has clearly different structures and compositions.

3) Again these same standards can also apply to whitebeard since Sengoku’s words can also be applied as a means of boasting about Whitebeard’s strength, not as a means of giving an accurate telling of what he could do.

4) I’m glad you find Kaguya being solar system level laughable but many many many people, including myself, would also say the same thing about whiteboard being large planetary to star level. A completely laughable notion. Now second off, destroying your own dimension absolutely classified as AP. And your wizard and mana analogy actually perfectly demonstrates why. If the energy source of your verse is what is specifically powering the move that is making and destroying your dimension, then that does scale to your AP since you’re literally using your own power source which powers and enhances the moves you do to attack, to destroy a dimension, then yes that absolutely does scale to your AP. Not to mention your same standard of it not fitting narratively with the established power levels of Naruto also very much applies to whitebeard as well with it not even remotely fitting scaling or portrayal that puts him at those levels.

Yeah that’s fine, but again like I said I emphasized before how if you’re willing to use these standards to overinflate one piece to such absurdly high levels such as large planetary to star levels, then there absolutely is no issue in regards to using these same measures to apply Naruto characters to solar system plus to universal levels. If you really honestly don’t see any problem with one piece being large planetary you star levels then there honest to god isn’t an issue with Naruto being solar system to universal levels.

What great spite lmao

Might as well add the rest of the OP verse

Prime Kaguya Otsutsuki

Banned character

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