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#1 Posted by Gnomishness (1656 posts) - - Show Bio
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Because you all believed Rock Lee >>> Tenten, even with his weights on in the other thread.

Well, Neji was quite convinced that Lee was a failure and would always be a failure, and we didn't see that attitude directed towards Tenten, so that itself is basis for Tenten > Weighted Lee.

What are people's thoughts?

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#3 Edited by bowlt_swagg_320 (2253 posts) - - Show Bio

Pretty sure Lee wins. He would be fast enough to dodge whatever she throws at him and go in to beating her to a pulp

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#4 Posted by Marc_55 (5857 posts) - - Show Bio

@gnomishness: Uh, no it's not. He considered Lee a failure, even while weightless. Don't tell you believe weightless Lee < Ten-Ten?

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#5 Posted by camilopezo (2034 posts) - - Show Bio

Rock lee easily.

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#6 Edited by Gnomishness (1656 posts) - - Show Bio

@bowlt_swagg_320:

Pretty sure Lee wins. He would be fast enough to dodge whatever she throws at him and go in to beating her to a pulp

I mean, some of her weapons are melee. If she has similar speed, having a sword or something equipped would give her a significant advantage over Lee.

Also, Punches < Stabs.

@marc_55:

Uh, no it's not. He considered Lee a failure, even while weightless. Don't tell you believe weightless Lee < Ten-Ten?

Neji seems to think that, and I'd believe he's wrong, but I don't think he'd be so miss-informed that Lee is still >>> Tenten, even with 10 ton weights strapped to his ankles.

@camilopezo:

Rock lee easily.

Explain your reasoning so that I may refute it.

(calc of Lee's weights being 10 Tons)

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#7 Posted by LarcadeDragneel (1355 posts) - - Show Bio

@bowlt_swagg_320:

Pretty sure Lee wins. He would be fast enough to dodge whatever she throws at him and go in to beating her to a pulp

I mean, some of her weapons are melee. If she has similar speed, having a sword or something equipped would give her a significant advantage over Lee.

Also, Punches < Stabs.

It was never shown that she had a similar speed to Lee during the Chunin exams. You can't just assume she does. Anyway based on feats Lee stomps her.

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#9 Posted by KratoDaManto (862 posts) - - Show Bio

I dont see why Lee doesn't stomp. He trains to counter most of the things she does and that is using melee weapons or using them as primary launching weapons. It is said her target is always perfect but she has never shown to do it against someone like Lee

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#10 Edited by Sy8000 (35447 posts) - - Show Bio

Poor Tenten.

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#11 Edited by Gnomishness (1656 posts) - - Show Bio

@larcadedragneel:

It was never shown that she had a similar speed to Lee during the Chunin exams. You can't just assume she does. Anyway based on feats Lee stomps her.

Tenten had almost no feats to guess how strong she is. Thus, going off of her reputation seems like a good place to start guessing.

Neji think's she's more capable then Lee is. That has to count for something. And sure she didn't get the bond that Gai had with Lee, but she still trained under him, which means she still did part of his fitness-from-hell routine, even if she never learned the Gates.

Sasuke managed to achieve Base Lee's speed with just a month of training before the finals. I find it highly plausible that Tenten has achieved at least Lee's weighted speed within the year she's trained with Gai. It's not like Tenten has no ambition (at least according to the anime).

And finally, it's not so much of an on-panel feat, but we know that Neji trained with Tenten during the month before the Chunin Exam finals to achieve his mastery of The Rotation. We have good evidence that Neji is significantly faster then even Weightless Lee, so his training partner can't be 10x slower then him, for example.

All of this adds up to the impression that:

Weighted Lee is slightly less then Mach: 1

Weightless Lee is something like Mach: 5

Neji is maybe Mach: 7, in combat speed at least.

And Tenten is logically somewhere around Mach: 2

@camilopezo:

Rock lee >> Sasuke pre-Chunin.

Sasuke pre-chunin exams was an inexperienced rookie with only 1 real mission to his name.

Obviously ninja like Tenten and Rock Lee, who had been training for more then a year would be better then him.

Tenten >>> Sasuke pre-Chunin

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#12 Posted by Gnomishness (1656 posts) - - Show Bio

@kratodamanto:

I dont see why Lee doesn't stomp. He trains to counter most of the things she does and that is using melee weapons or using them as primary launching weapons.

Have we seen Lee train against swords? He did pretty well against Kimimaru, but he was drunk for most of that, so we can't really be sure that was him...

It is said her target is always perfect but she has never shown to do it against someone like Lee

Logically, someone like Lee could dodge a knife.

A rain of knives though, used a a distraction for a swing with another weapon?

Lee is heavily encumbered here. His weights are 10 tons.

@highaccuser:

Poor Tenten.

Yeah. She has to stab her own teammate. :(

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#13 Posted by LarcadeDragneel (1355 posts) - - Show Bio

Tenten had almost no feats to guess how strong she is. Thus, going off of her reputation seems like a good place to start guessing.

She had no reputation either unless you want to provide something showing she had a reputation.

Neji think's she's more capable then Lee is. That has to count for something. And sure she didn't get the bond that Gai had with Lee, but she still trained under him, which means she still did part of his fitness-from-hell routine, even if she never learned the Gates.

Neji only thought she was more capable since Lee didn't have any talent for Ninjutsu or Gengutsu.

Sasuke managed to achieve Base Lee's speed with just a month of training before the finals. I find it highly plausible that Tenten has achieved at least Lee's weighted speed within the year she's trained with Gai. It's not like Tenten has no ambition (at least according to the anime).

Sasuke was a Prodigy which is why he was able to achieve that speed. So you just assumed that she could be on par in speed with someone who trained only in taijutsu and increasing their speed their entire life in a year. At most she was half of Lees weightless speed.

And finally, it's not so much of an on-panel feat, but we know that Neji trained with Tenten during the month before the Chunin Exam finals to achieve his mastery of The Rotation. We have good evidence that Neji is significantly faster then even Weightless Lee, so his training partner can't be 10x slower then him, for example.

Of course Neji would train with her not because of her speed but because of her technique. His technique is the ultimate defense whereas Tenten strives being on offensive.

Weighted Lee is slightly less then Mach: 1

How did you assume Lee is less than Mach 1?

Weightless Lee is something like Mach: 5

How did you get that calculation?

Neji is maybe Mach: 7, in combat speed at least.

No he wasn't at most he was mach 3 during the chunin exams.

And Tenten is logically somewhere around Mach: 2

How is that logical at all? In her fight with Temari she would have used this speed if she had it.

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@gnomishness said:

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Because you all believed Rock Lee >>> Tenten, even with his weights on in the other thread.

Well, Neji was quite convinced that Lee was a failure and would always be a failure, and we didn't see that attitude directed towards Tenten, so that itself is basis for Tenten > Weighted Lee.

What are people's thoughts?

He considered lee a failure because he couldn't use ninjutsu. Tenten could, there's no reason to call her a failure to begin with. He doesn't compare their strengths anywhere, and tenten has nothing even implying she is anywhere near as strong as lee.

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#16 Posted by Ratava (9189 posts) - - Show Bio

lee

with ease

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#17 Posted by Thedarkpaladin (22886 posts) - - Show Bio

How is this fair?

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#18 Posted by grappolo (3017 posts) - - Show Bio

Lee stomps.

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#19 Edited by CaptFalcon725 (1200 posts) - - Show Bio

If I am pretending this is a first time encounter, Tenten has a chance. Otherwise Lee ROFLstomps; there's probably no one in the village who, even at this point, knew her style more intimately, save maybe Neji and Guy.

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#20 Posted by LeeSensei (445 posts) - - Show Bio

@larcadedragneel:

It was never shown that she had a similar speed to Lee during the Chunin exams. You can't just assume she does. Anyway based on feats Lee stomps her.

Tenten had almost no feats to guess how strong she is. Thus, going off of her reputation seems like a good place to start guessing.

Neji think's she's more capable then Lee is. That has to count for something. And sure she didn't get the bond that Gai had with Lee, but she still trained under him, which means she still did part of his fitness-from-hell routine, even if she never learned the Gates.

Sasuke managed to achieve Base Lee's speed with just a month of training before the finals. I find it highly plausible that Tenten has achieved at least Lee's weighted speed within the year she's trained with Gai. It's not like Tenten has no ambition (at least according to the anime).

And finally, it's not so much of an on-panel feat, but we know that Neji trained with Tenten during the month before the Chunin Exam finals to achieve his mastery of The Rotation. We have good evidence that Neji is significantly faster then even Weightless Lee, so his training partner can't be 10x slower then him, for example.

All of this adds up to the impression that:

Weighted Lee is slightly less then Mach: 1

Weightless Lee is something like Mach: 5

Neji is maybe Mach: 7, in combat speed at least.

And Tenten is logically somewhere around Mach: 2

@camilopezo:

Rock lee >> Sasuke pre-Chunin.

Sasuke pre-chunin exams was an inexperienced rookie with only 1 real mission to his name.

Obviously ninja like Tenten and Rock Lee, who had been training for more then a year would be better then him.

Tenten >>> Sasuke pre-Chunin

Except Neji doesn't think that Lee is hopeless. He thought that Lee would never beat him. During the Chunin Exams it was shown repeatedly that Neji did have respect for Lee's abilities. Lee told Neji and Tenten that he'd defeated Naruto and Sasuke, Neji doesn't question it. When Dosu uses his melody arm on Kabuto, Neji turns to Lee and asks him what he thought about Dosu's attack. When Lee is fighting the Sound Ninja and Tenten is worried about him, Neji was confident that he'd be fine.

In any case, I'd like to believe that Tenten can beat Lee with weights on, but unfortunately she's light on feats in canon.