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#201 Posted by TheBeardOfZues (2801 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilneas: says the one who thinks a planet significantly smaller than our own would have the same gravity as ours.

You have 5 people telling you how wrong you are, I doubt it's us bud.

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#202 Edited by Gilneas (612 posts) - - Show Bio

@thebeardofzues said:

@gilneas: says the one who thinks a planet significantly smaller than our own would have the same gravity as ours.

You have 5 people telling you how wrong you are, I doubt it's us bud.

Yea i am sure Kishi just put so much effort into thinking about the planets gravity in a world were there are TV's but people still use horse chariots to travel.

Ad populum is a fallacy for a reason. It's one thing to tell me i am wrong, it's another to prove to me i am.

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#203 Posted by TheBeardOfZues (2801 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilneas: Let's just assume that a planet smaller than our Moon has normal Gravity because that makes sense.... Admit your wrong and save yourself some dignity

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#204 Edited by Gilneas (612 posts) - - Show Bio

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@gilneas: Let's just assume that a planet smaller than our Moon has normal Gravity because that makes sense.... Admit your wrong and save yourself some dignity

Because Kishi put a lot of thought into planets gravity, i mean he mentioned it what? Zero times exactly. The same way official weight for Toriko is said to be 230 kilograms, despite him being on a planet 659 times bigger than our own. Oh and btw that planet as well is also called Earth(as well as Gourmet planet), man you just don't get tired of taking the L do you?

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#205 Edited by TheBeardOfZues (2801 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilneas: So let me get this straight Kishi has to follow the curvature to a 100% factual degree? But not the Gravity? Now you're just being a hypocrite.

It looks like Earth and acts like Earth because it's Earth. Get over it.

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#206 Edited by Gilneas (612 posts) - - Show Bio

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@gilneas: So let me get this straight Kishi has to follow the curvature to a 100% factual degree? But not the Gravity? Now you're just being a hypocrite

No it's just whenever wee see the curvature we can literally entire nations while also seeing taled beasts in some scans or certain attacks that we know how big they are compared to the rest. If Kishi mentioned gravity before in any way you might have a point. But the gravity thing is something entirely brought by you and never mentioned by Kishi in any way, so there is no reason to think he ever gave it any thought. And i've already shown you how an author who does tell us how big his planet Earth is compared to us, also doesn't give a rats ass about gravity.

It doesn't look like Earth, it's landmasses are literally nothing like ours, how does one act like Earth? You mean the same way Toriko Earth "acts" like our Earth despite being 659 times larger? It's not Earth, giving something the name Earth doesn't make it our planet Earth. Your parents could have named you Albert Einstein it still wouldn't help you with your IQ, let alone turn you into the guy that discovered the theory of relativity.

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#207 Posted by TheBeardOfZues (2801 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilneas: So you have no argument is what your saying. When it came to the curve you where adamant know when the Gravity proves you wrong it's "The Author doesn't care about the Gravity!"... Why the flying fuck would he care about making the curve 100% Accurate? It's a action story not a geographic.

Besides the only time we see "Entire Nations" and the Curve together is the Frost Land which is the smallest Nation in all of Naruto.

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#208 Edited by Gilneas (612 posts) - - Show Bio

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@gilneas: So you have no argument is what your saying. When it came to the curve you where adamant know when the Gravity proves you wrong it's "The Author doesn't care about the Gravity!"... Why the flying fuck would he care about making the curve 100% Accurate? It's a action story not a geographic.

Besides the only time we see "Entire Nations" and the Curve together is the Frost Land which is the smallest Nation in all of Naruto.

LOL. Yes because we can physically see with our eyes the curvature of it and literally NOTHING ever anywhere states anything about the gravity. Show me a single piece of evidence of Kishi mentioning Narutos gravity anywhere? Why would he care about making his planet smaller then ours? I dunno, probably too much hassle to make a planet as big as ours and then populate it with billions of people, when it's so much easier to scale it down and have a massive world war that involves less then 200k soldiers(100k of are just made up Zetsu clones) on both sides then have a war that involves dozens of millions of soldiers.

Yes and we still see it in it's entirety and the respective attacks and the tree we can scale from it and the point we are looking from isn't even that high up. like we are literally not even sky high.

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#209 Posted by GucciBrick (582 posts) - - Show Bio

@thebeardofzues: people are using mental gymnastics to claim narutos earth is magically smaller than ours due to some false reasons like gravity or curvature or something? even when the writers confirmed its the same? i dont get that. and btw the user you are arguing with is a former banned troll, he hates on everything besides marvel characters

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#210 Posted by TheBeardOfZues (2801 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilneas: yes we physically see with our eyes that the Earth is the same as ours you're litteraly ignoring everything and finding some obscure scans that get contradicted alot in other scans depending on how Kishi draws it. Lmao you're seriously just trying to lowball so much that make yourself look bad.

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#211 Posted by Gilneas (612 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilneas: yes we physically see with our eyes that the Earth is the same as ours you're litteraly ignoring everything and finding some obscure scans that get contradicted alot in other scans depending on how Kishi draws it. Lmao you're seriously just trying to lowball so much that make yourself look bad.

But we don't, were do we see it that's i's as big as ours when we can literally see it's curvature while observing tailed beats? What scans contradict other scans? Why is it lowballing though? I am talking about the size of their planet, so that means i am lowballing? If the evidence suggested it was bigger then our Earth, that means it was highballing?

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#212 Posted by TheBeardOfZues (2801 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilneas: we've already been over everything you just asked try keeping up.

It's now 6 people saying you're wrong btw, and you have zero evidence to support you. The Gravity disproves your entire argument and yes Kishimoto takes into consideration Gravity he did it on the Moon and in Kaguya's poket dimension, so why wouldn't he take it into consideration on Earth? Maybe because it's the same size.

Now who's alt is this?

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#213 Edited by Gilneas (612 posts) - - Show Bio

@thebeardofzues said:

@gilneas: we've already been over everything you just asked try keeping up.

It's now 6 people saying you're wrong btw, and you have zero evidence to support you. The Gravity disproves your entire argument and yes Kishimoto takes into consideration Gravity he did it on the Moon and in Kaguya's poket dimension, so why wouldn't he take it into consideration on Earth? Maybe because it's the same size.

Now who's alt is this?

Yes and we still haven't moved from those points, or should i say you haven't moved.

Ad populum fallacy. The gravity does not disprove the Torkio planet arguemnt ,why would it here? The Toriko planet is 659 larger then ours yet the gravity is the same. How did he take gravity into consideration? Obviously there is gravity otherwise characters would float freely, but i am asking you to tell me how he made the gravity obvious as oppose to his planets size?

That user btw is the banned user of @whoisthebest a known troll user that made dozens of PM's with his alts just to spam people with porn, harassment, movie spoilers, etc... He follows me in almost every thread because i have him blocked and am ignoring him, he doesn't agree with you because he thinks you are right he agrees with you because he tries to contradict anything i say, he doesn't know a thing about Naruto or what he is talking about here.

I can bring in @battle123axe@noone1996@thedailybagel@brucerogers@lvenger@p00ty as well as many other users to tell you that he is an actual banned troll, while he can't bring you a single person to vouch for me being a banned troll. So listening to him will not help you in any way.

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#214 Posted by TheBeardOfZues (2801 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilneas: This isn't Toriko this Naruto, and they aren't the same. Yes the Gravity does prove you wrong no Planet that small would have normal Gravity.

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#215 Edited by TheBeardOfZues (2801 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilneas: Also I didn't say you where a troll I asked who your main account was you're obviously an alt.

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#216 Edited by Gilneas (612 posts) - - Show Bio

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@gilneas: This isn't Toriko this Naruto, and they aren't the same. Yes the Gravity does prove you wrong no Planet that small would have normal Gravity.

It isn't Toriko but it still proves my point. Toriko's Earth is 659 larger than our Earth but the gravity is still exactly the same, so there really is no indication that the author put any thought into changing the gravity. Probably because it would complicate things too much, imagine writing a manga with what are practically superhumans but the gravity is something like 6 times less then our own. It has too much that needs to be thought out for it too work.

My main account is Gilneas i don't have any other account, this is the account i use, it's the only account i use, he actually accuses me of being an alt of his own banned account(whoisthebest) and another account Durial i think(which is a banned account of another user whose main account was Nerevare or something like that). Just ignore him, he is upset i am not acknowledging his existence and besides it has nothing to do with our discussion.

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#217 Posted by TheBeardOfZues (2801 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilneas: No it doesn't that's a different series with a different Author who stated how big the planet was so what he does has zero relavance to Naruto.

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#218 Posted by Gilneas (612 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilneas: No it doesn't that's a different series with a different Author who stated how big the planet was so what he does has zero relavance to Naruto.

Yes but he didn't change the gravity of his world, even though his world is so much larger, so why would Kishi care about it?

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#219 Edited by TheBeardOfZues (2801 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilneas: Because he's a different person? Who's used Gravity as an attack with multiple people so it's obvious the Earth is no different than our own.

FYI that 80k came just from the 5 villages not the 5 nations there are other places within the Nations without Shinobi.

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#220 Edited by GucciBrick (582 posts) - - Show Bio

@thebeardofzues said:

@gilneas: Also I didn't say you where a troll I asked who your main account was you're obviously an alt.

his alt account is duriel, which was already banned and his other alt is whoisthebest a notorious troll banned user. you can look up those profiles to see his posting history previously.

And funnily enough by the way, those other accounts he tagged earlier are actually all people who are friends with him or know him or alts of him. he has built up a network (or alts) with thousands of posts so he can conveniently bring you other "people" to help him out because he has been on the site for years and caught many times.

So take what he says with a grain of salt because he has made outrageous claims like marvel characters being impossible to kill even if the entire universe is destroyed just because their heart regenerated and stuff like that.

it is outright ridiculous to argue that the planet earth in naruto is magically somehow smaller than our earth when it is literally the exact same planet. never was it mentioned that the naruto earth magically shrunk by some invisible being. its the same planet

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#221 Edited by Gilneas (612 posts) - - Show Bio

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@gilneas: Because he's a different person? Who's used Gravity as an attack with multiple people so it's obvious the Earth is no different than our own.

Yes but that doesn't change that his world is larger but the gravity is the same, there are authors that don't put any thought into things like that. We both acknowledge gravity exists in Naruto, the fact that he characters have used gravity as an attack doesn't mean their planet is as big as ours.

How do you know the 80k just came from the villages? I know there are non shinobi in the countries and other cities but a force of only 80k shinobi across 5 nations is still a very low number.

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#222 Edited by TheBeardOfZues (2801 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilneas: Because they came from each Village that where lead by the 5 Kage of each Village.

That's 80k for 5 city's which is a decent number.

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#223 Posted by Gilneas (612 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilneas: Because they came from each Village that where lead by the 5 Kage of each Village.

That's 80k for 5 city's which is a decent number.

I would agree if there is any proof that those are just taken from the 5 villages each, i don't remember anything mentioning they were just taken from the villages.

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#224 Posted by TheBeardOfZues (2801 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilneas: There is proof, they only train Ninja in those 5 City's that's not once on all of Naruto will you see an Army come from a city outside of the Leaf, Sand, Cloud, Rain, or Earth Villages.

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#226 Posted by TheBeardOfZues (2801 posts) - - Show Bio
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#227 Posted by Gilneas (612 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilneas: There is proof, they only train Ninja in those 5 City's that's not once on all of Naruto will you see an Army come from a city outside of the Leaf, Sand, Cloud, Rain, or Earth Villages.

Yea but don't shinobi from other cities come to train there? I do remember some shinobi from outside Konoha coming to train there and take exams. So it would seem like the main villages are all just basically training centers for shinobis all around the country.

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#228 Posted by TheBeardOfZues (2801 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilneas: they came from the other 4 villages example Gaara came from the sand village

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#230 Posted by Gilneas (612 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilneas: they came from the other 4 villages example Gaara came from the sand village

Yea i know, they came from totally different nations, but i am talking about the Fire nation itself i am pretty sure i remember people from around the nation coming to Konoha.

Could be wrong, anyway this topic has lasted too long for my taste, so Im gonna take my departure and bid you farewell.

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#231 Edited by Hope_w (2834 posts) - - Show Bio

1. The tailed beasts are not mountain sized as i've shown the only one that can be considered mountain sized is the 100% Kurama that Madara used against Hashirama, when Kurama got 50% of his chakra taken he shrinked in size 4 times for some reason.

Kurama shrinked to half its size when half was sealed into Naruto and he was still roughly the size of a mountain. Full sized Kurama could easily be argued taller than Mountains, just look at the sheer perspective from he/she on all fours:

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Infact you can even see she/he is in a crouched position.

Even Bee is small Mountain sized in BM:

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And Kurama while crouched is still larger than him and the rest of the Biju. And even then lets say they arent Mountain sized, point out where they are visible here:

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You can barely see the Juubi who is without question larger than a mountain. That green area has been calc'd at over 100+km easily and it was an air burst

I mean in raw comparrison to the western half of the USA

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Its pretty accurate in scale, stop attempting to lowball so you're favorite can win.

2. The samurai actually joined the ninjas in the shinobi war and they are much smaller than the shinobi regardless and there aren't much pirates to begin with, it's not like we don't have pirates in our world to this day, so this is a moot point.

Not all the Samurai joined, pirates are common in the oceans of Narutos world and their are entire villages of them, and their are many non-shinobi affiliated countries in Naruto. Your argument ignores fact.

3. I've already debunked this argument, my country alone had a war in 1804-1813 then 1814 then 1815-1817 then 1876-1877 then 1877-1878 then 1883 then 1885 then 1912-1913 then 1913 then 1914-1918 and even many wars after it but even with so many previous wars we still mobilized 400k people in a nation of 4 million with all the wars, famine and diseases that killed MILLIONS of people and we still lost 1 million people in the war and yet recovered completely and even added more to the population by the time the second WW began and we are talking about one very tiny country btw by our standards who still DWARFS the shinobi population in Naruto, so like i said moot points.

Completely and totally irrelevant due to the sheer timeframe alone, no individual war compares to a world at war. Not only this but you're just displaying complete and total lack of knowledge on the series.

After the First Shinobi war (where all Villages now had Biju) every nation was crippled and several kage were dead then the Second Shinobi war followed less than 20 years later they were all getting slaughtered again as they fought both great nations and smaller countries at the same time. The era where Child soldiers became the Norm again however some 5-10 years before the third began scrimmages across the boarders took the lives of thousands before any official declaration was made and it ending officially just before Obito's invasion.

Humanity does not have the resources, morality, or expendable population to pull of 4 world wars in under a century. In fact all of them happened within Onokis lifespan which would mean aroind 75ish years that this happened.

So, so....

Your arguments hilariously ignores canon and is an attempt to downplay feats for whatever reason. You're grasping at straws, as the several people who know hell of a lot more than you about this series have told you numerous times.

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#232 Posted by Noone1996 (11691 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilneas: GucciBrick is the alt of whoisthebest. It's an active account so I doubt he'd have two and then use his main alt to call out another one he has within this thread.

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#233 Posted by Gilneas (612 posts) - - Show Bio

Kurama shrinked to half its size when half was sealed into Naruto and he was still roughly the size of a mountain. Full sized Kurama could easily be argued taller than Mountains, just look at the sheer perspective from he/she on all fours:

He actually shrunk 4 times

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this is obviously more than just half his size.

Even Bee is small Mountain sized in BM:

that doesn't really show him as mountain sized, all of the bijuus are about building size when compared closely to humans

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And Kurama while crouched is still larger than him and the rest of the Biju. And even then lets say they arent Mountain sized, point out where they are visible here:

Kurama after he was shrunk is exactly the same size as rest of the bijuu

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The Juubi itself isn't that much bigger then the rest of the bijuu, in fact it seems to be about the original Kurama size

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which means only he can be somewhat qualified as a small mountain level while the rest of the bijuu are building size.

I mean in raw comparrison to the western half of the USA

That's a pretty badly cropped and poorly pixelated picture of the west coast, for starters it does not even show the entire west coast but a fraction of it, to see the entire west coast you need to observer it from quite a distance at which point nothing is recognizable.

Not even this is a full scale view of the West coast yet you can't recognize the the landscape itself or see cities that have millions of people living in it

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and this is still just a tiny fraction of the Earth being just namely the US West coast, unlike several other scans from Naruto were not only entire nations are observed but several of them at the time.

Its pretty accurate in scale, stop attempting to lowball so you're favorite can win.

What the hell are you even talking about? You barged here mid debate and you have no idea what you are even saying, who am i exactly advocating to win here?

Oh right you are the guy that few pages ago falsely claimed Hulk got one-shot by Thanos, which was shown to be untrue. And also said Thanos one-shot all of the Annhiliators when he only actually fought 3 out of 5, one he teleported away immediately, another he 8-shot and the weakest one of them he 2-shot. That was a good discussion.

Please tell me you think Naruto and Sasuke can take out Hulk in this thread, please... i need more laughs.

Not all the Samurai joined, pirates are common in the oceans of Narutos world and their are entire villages of them, and their are many non-shinobi affiliated countries in Naruto. Your argument ignores fact.

I never said there aren't but they are so small it's completely negligible when 5 largest nations can barely muster almost 100 times less soldiers than 5 largest armies of our world have while not even mobilized.

Completely and totally irrelevant due to the sheer timeframe alone, no individual war compares to a world at war. Not only this but you're just displaying complete and total lack of knowledge on the series.

That literally depends on the war itself, my country has had wars with the Ottomans that were more devastating to it then the WW2 for instance. Oh please spare me your emotionally charged drivel.

After the First Shinobi war (where all Villages now had Biju) every nation was crippled and several kage were dead then the Second Shinobi war followed less than 20 years later they were all getting slaughtered again as they fought both great nations and smaller countries at the same time. The era where Child soldiers became the Norm again however some 5-10 years before the third began scrimmages across the boarders took the lives of thousands before any official declaration was made and it ending officially just before Obito's invasion.

And yet even all those losses still don't explain such a small number of shinobi, my country lost 1 million people in WW1 from it's 4 million population, which brought it down to 3 million 23 years later when the second WW2 the population was already somewhere at 5 million and even more soldiers were mobilized then in the first WW1. So if a imaginary world were being a shinobi is almost a norm and a lifestyle can't recover but a war torn and extremely poor nation of farmers and peasants can, then i don't know what to tell you.

Humanity does not have the resources, morality, or expendable population to pull of 4 world wars in under a century. In fact all of them happened within Onokis lifespan which would mean aroind 75ish years that this happened.

Sure they have, but we are not talking about that, we are purely talking about the populations under these wars.

Your arguments pathetically ignore canon and are an attempt to downplay feats for whatever reason. You're grasping at straws, as the several people who know hell of a lot more than you about this series have told you numerous times.

Nothing i said ignores canon, nothing i said is an attempt to downplay things, you act like a typical fanboy after seeing something negative about his verse said and you respond as predictably with all the emotional discharge one could expect, me saying Naruto world is smaller because of several observable things is not me downplaying Narutoverse anymore then it would be me overrating it by saying it's larger than Earth because of some observable differences. Yes i was expect Naruto fans to be devoid of bias and expect them to accept with all the grace and dignity me saying their world is smaller than they originally think, it's why none of them actually debunked what i said, nor the calculations i brought page before that calculated Nartuos land mass to be the size of Western Europe.

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#234 Posted by Battle123axe (8981 posts) - - Show Bio

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@battle123axe said:

by literally being seen already getting up in seconds? Show me him struggling or even appearing to struggle.

Blatant denial, cute:

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Yea, clenching the ground desperately reaching for that person equates to shrugging off in your definition. Hilarious.

He's literally ready to attack again by the next page lol

By then the steam coming off him is gone meaning his healing factor kicked in, can't piece together anything that doesnt make the hulk look unbeatable can you?

Lol what? He's not on one knee, him being slouched over and walking like that is an almost iconic position for hulk

Mk:

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, even if he isn't, he literally just stood up and is still smoking by the time that we see him there.

Healing factor hadnt taken full effect clearly.

Why should this matter, Thanos' 'casual' eyebeams have oneshotted thor, oneshotted thing and twoshotted thor in classic times, why would a casual eyebeam not take him out? Answer is because he's that durable. And besides, Thanos literally says that hulk is irrelevant, why would Thanos of all people care if he's out?

Great, now you're arguing Thanos exerted himself in that scan somehow when he walks past him as if he's a mere breeze in the wind. Thanos clearly needed their help....he simply aimed to move Hulk out of the way and in the process knocked the air out of him. You're litterally grasping at straws to give hulk nonexistant durability feats; he had no lethal intent whatsoever.

Also lmao @ that cheese filled classic instance where Thing gets him to the ground after putting him in a Headlock. Just after he was casually swatting away everything in his path.

Uhh, firstly I'd challenge you to find a feat from his eyebeams that say that he could oenshot Hulk. Maybe a feat where he oneshots a more powerful character, destroys a large planet with them, or injures a more powerful character. Well thor I can agree with, but considering that recently, a calm hulk literally walked through a beam that was immobilizing both thor and champion, who was written to be on thor's level, in agony, a blast that can take out thor isn't taking out hulk.

Meh....His eyebeams dont have the specific feats but he's used it in conjunction with the energy from his hands so I see no reason to classify them as drastically different. Thanos can oneshot himself; that in itself should end basically any debate right there.

*you then proceed to say that you know exactly what you're talking about*

You have spotty selective reading and comprehensive skills; every instance referred to in this debate has been carried by your imagination by a baffling degree and now you're doing it with simple sentences. I think even that response hints im not fully accurate on occurances however I can tell the difference between your inflated opinion and Canon quite easily.

Lol, Thanos PUNCHES him, he SMILES, and THEN thanos assigns his BLACK ORDER to go deal with him. Again, why in the world would thanos care about keeping him alive? He literally sees hulk shrug it off and then he sends corvus and proxima to deal with him because he doesn't have the time, i.e. a DIVERSION. He also does not specifically state HULK is the diversion, but ALL LIFE is, meaning that he wants to kill EVERYONE. Is hulk an exception (well recently, yes, but not at the time)? No, he simply could not kill hulk with one punch and sent his assistants to do it for him while he dealt with the other avengers.

Yet again a fabricated fairy tale, Hulk comes in out of nowhere towards him, Thanos swats him like a bug without even moving from the spot he's in Hulk goes flying then laughs at his situation:

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This was done with the most minimal of effort; using Thanos' final motive to dissuade from this fact is again an example of your vivid imagination.

Context matters.

Indeed it does, so stop picking and choosing which parts to use properly.

You mean rising from all fours to his knees? I'd call that resisting it, hell, even if he stayed on all fours, he'd be resisting it, as it's not splatting him into the ground.

I seriously only think the weight is when the spear is physically touching you as noted when it was hurting Hyperion without really cutting him or anything. Also Hulk was nigh-useless after that and got reverted like a page or two later. Hardly an applicable feat though Im sure he has a blackhole feat somewhere along the lines.

Lol I never said that, I simply said how Corvus remarked how tough his skin is, he proceeded to cut it sure, but even then when he went against someone like hyperion he never made such a claim and literally effortlessly shanked through him, with hulk he took time to admire how tough his skin is. even so, he didn't actually casually slice through it like he did hyperion, he slowly cut him.

I mean the slash he tanked was much more brutal than Hulks cut and despite fainting afterwards he was still able to get rid of him:

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.... right right right, because Naruto could totally go from all fours to his knees if a star was dropped on his back. Good for naruto, not only can hulk resist said attack, but he also has a ridiculous healing factor to go with it.

Not seeing how this is at all relevant to anything at all as the point of this thread is them tanking Narutos attacks not replicating Hulks Durability feats. It seems like you're taking this personal now my guy.

Two hits the entire fight?

Yup a scratch, an energy blast that blew Thanos back temporarily, and a punch. Thanos physically dominated other than that. The scans don't lie im afraid. Other than stalemating him in a few energy clashes and still being conscious this isnt a good showing for Anihilus other than Thanos' statements.

Then there's Annihilus's blast equalling Thanos' for over a page (Hulk took multiple of Annihilus' blasts), equaling him again, his energy attack equaling his, and annihilus, according to thanos 'He just took my full charge energy blast with little effect". despite thanos portalling in from behind him to attack.

You cant comprehend the tone of a story well, You think Annihilus is going to exert the same effort as if he was fighting Hulk into fighting Thanos? Anyways even then he practically stomped him and needed a cheapshot to get the Thanman off him.

Never mind Thanos explicitly stating that Annihilus 'easily rivals' him in raw power, and literally saying that he'll only win because of experience.

Thanos' statements regarding power are completely and totally irrelevant as in the same issue he:

  • Equates Hulk and Gladiator physically
  • Claims he wouldnt have beaten gladiator as easily when he just virtually dominated Annihilus
  • Kills himself, before previously unable to fatally wound nih with supposed 'full power' along with beating him with his Energy attacks

These are moreso showings for Nih and no, the Thanman said he was going to win because he was THE Thanman:

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He clearly spoke of his experience in a boastful manner much like in the previous scan where he states some of his accomplishments.

Lol it's mindboggling how you can think Thanos comparing two entirely separate character's power level somehow makes him comparing the person that he's fighting with himself, same person that casually equaled his energy projection, tanked his best attacks, sliced through him, and floored him with a punch.

Nih stalemated Thanos when he was specifically holding back for Gamoras Safety he even says it before he unleashed his 'full might' against him and Thanos ate one of his biggest attacks with no damage.

Hell, if you want to overanalyze statements, Thanos said that Annihilus stomped gladiator far faster than he would've.

Which is immediately out the window moreso then it already was when one actually finishes the book.

Funny, because a 300db sound wave is more powerful than any nuke that we've ever created.

Funny cos' your average nuke at test sites usually range to 210-250 db. Tsar Bomba was not measured however ive seen claims of 180 db which wouldnt be practical if it were a air burst.

Not that it really matters as Narutos weakest Attack in Kurama Avatar quite litterally outweighs the yield of hundreds of Tsar Bombas:

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Lower orbit view btw

Compressing molecules ≠ rearranging them subatomically, don't even try to compare the two.

Oxygen is a single atom until it reacts with something (Namely anything it touches) Re entry speeds prevent this from happening and basically oxidises everything around you. At face value that is massively more impressive than tanking soundwaves with no concrete measurement.

The hell? There's nothing to question about it, a weapon that subatomically rearranges molecules on Thor's level only stung hulk, it's not difficult to understand.

Yup, totally nothing to question about it:

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A character said its Thor level so it clearly must be

Lol I don't understand what you're trying to prove, I could show Hulk tanking an island busting explosion and a sound attack that could power a continent, but that's not relevant either.

Both would be vasrtly superior to what you're showing me, a gun whose best feat is melting a guy rather than just straight up turning him into dust. I see what type of debating you're fond of, exaggeration over actual showings.

Later three shotted him? are you high? First, that 'later' instance was after Loeb was finished his run on hulk, and after that Red Hulk couldn't drain anymore and was much less powerful.

even so, I have no idea where you got the idea that anybody threeshotted anybody

I have no idea whatsoever where you get the idea that Rulk was threeshoted or even outmatched.

You should write a childrens book with all the fairytales you've told in this one post alone, in hulk #6 Thor practically threeshotted rulk:

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And he even blatantly states Hulk saved his life:

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c? Uhh, what? he beat savage hulk in a fight that destabilized a city hundreds of miles away, what're you on about?

Which one? And even then thwt's massive outlier because in their other fights it doesnt happen. Namely in hulk #24 where Banner absolutely stomped him as well. Rulk is consistently portrayed to be beneath the likes of Thor/Hulk level and he even got KO'd by a group of girls.

a 10.0 on the ritcher scale contains enough energy to wipe out a continent if it hit the ground directly, while it may shake a planet, that doesn't make it planet level.

Just as Shaking a continent doesnt make it continent level.......youre right a 10.0 would probably split a continent busting that amount of physical landmass requires much more energy.

Again, that's not planet level, he literally only shook the US, how is that planet level?

Clearly you dont understand the analogy. What I'm getting at is shaking =/= busting. Not to mention even if we accept the feat it is a shared one.

Lel no, it's stable and unstable sentry, and that was a very stable sentry.

Sentry is litterally as powerful as the story requires him to be, his Stability is as much of a plot device as Galactus' hunger.

False

Rulk isnt continent level; the burden of proof is not on me to assume he is.

Not only does he not have a planet

*shrugs* who cares I thought he did something with a giant meteor or some crap before.

Lol Gladiator has highends along dozens of years of history with hundreds of appearances and has been beaten and stomped and equaled by far less, rulk has several consistent feats over two years or so where he uses draining, which is more than most comic characters ever get, and he has basically none of the low ends of gladiator over the 24 issues where Loeb was writing and he could use draining, which is when GS fought him.

I mean yea, he was badass during his run with jeph but even then he was still getting his ass handed to him just as equally.

Lol no, the vine's best hulk experts are @ghostravage,@thedailybagel, and the OG @theacidskull, then there are people like @gilneas, @krleavenger, and @brucerogers who know quite a lot about the hulk. I'm possibly in the second tier of debaters, but something that everyone would agree on is that you're nowhere close.

*claps*

Second tier'; cute. I cant say I'm happily second fiddle to anyone in my area of expertise on this website, in fact i'll go as far as to say im unparalleled in regards to any Manga I've bothered to read. Simply one of a kind, I can't name drop anyone that compares to the untamable beast that is Hope_W.

You can't say things like that cos' consequences will backfire on you, however, me? Whose going to prove me wrong?

I'm not bragging, you just are flaunting youre knowledge to be more than it is

Stop acting as if youre better than me because you know more about a character. Its sad.

Yeah... despite being a self-proclaimed 'manga guy' who doesn't know that Thanos does not use Omega Beams and can't get the issue citations even close to right.

Meh....it was a mistake, however I fail to see how the last chapter of Infinity isnt 'the infinity Finale' but that's fine as well, you've been partially reading segments the entire debate.

Tempting, but unlike you, I know for a fact that i know next to nothing about Naruto and Sasuke, but what i do know is that I'm not interested in mismatch CAV's, which that'd be against you.

Cos' scared? I mean you seem so confident; I'd just like to show you a whole lot better than I could ever explain it to you.

I just dont think you're good enough to handle me in an actual debate, but it seems you can't prove otherwise.

They are the incarnations that appear post core breach just as much as any other incarnation, and I'm assuming current versions, which happens to be Green Scar/Immortal Hulk.

When was it established that Green Scar and Immortal hulk are the same thing?

Post core breach, there's one instance where Hulk was taken out by jet fuel that could go from mars to back, an obvious low showing, he has far, FAR, more instances to the contrary, hell you literally say that he's tanked nukes before, why would you bring up such an obvious low showing?

Dont even know what the hell you're talking about, but this alone is just a clear indication of how sensitive you are in regards to your favorite character. Thats not even a lowshowing either honestly which is the hilarious thing about it, do you think it has to be planet level period to hurt hulk?

First it was continental, now it's planetary? Can I see this feat? Also, I'm seeing that the attack itself is cellular level, which is just a joke.

A joke just like your cognitive and comprehensive skills. Ive never seen someone cut a reply off mid sentence like that. Pure rubbish.

Here's the feat btw:

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It caused a planetary storm my guy and they were easily in the Mesosphere.

Show the feat, and we'll see.

Naruto casually throws out Atomic blasts where the fireball is damn near country sized:

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Thats a seaside btw:

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And where I get it being Atomic from is TSB is blantantly stated to be superior to Molecule Manipulation:

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Not to mention for his last attack Naruto used senjutsu from the entire planet:

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Honestly Naruto alone can be argued to be continental, adding Sasuke just makes it unquestionable my guy. In fact Naruto already tanked an attack that split the moon then proceeded to overpower it. Suggesting they cant even hurt hulk is wank only users of your caliber know how to result to.

Yea, clenching the ground desperately reaching for that person equates to shrugging off in your definition. Hilarious.

Clenching the ground to stand up a panel after he gets blasted, standing up, and immediately going to attack again 2 panels later means that he's "desparate"? Lmao

Mk:

Bruh at absolute most hulk was on one knee (and that's a ridiculous position to be kneeling on regardless), this is literally two panels after thanos blasts him (he's still smoking), by the third he's already about to hit thanos while in that exact position.

In other words, no he's not kneeling, he's slouching, as the hulk does, not only is that a ridiculous position to kneel in, but he's seen in that exact same position a panel later, and he's certainly not kneeling and is about to hit thanos.

By then the steam coming off him is gone meaning his healing factor kicked in, can't piece together anything that doesnt make the hulk look unbeatable can you?

Lmao. The hulk isn't unbeatable, first. Plenty can beat him, plenty have. Superman for example. Naruto is not in that list.

Y'know, every single time the hulk has used his HF,there is some visible injury indicating that his healing factor is needed. Why the ever loving hell would him literally getting up from something in two panels mean that his Healing Factor was needed? Did thanos burn a hole in him or something? WTF are you on about? And besides, his healing factor is in action in this thread, so even if we uberwank naruto's blast like you're doing, They could literally skeletonize hulk and he'd heal, and he has healed from being skeletonized BTW.

Great, now you're arguing Thanos exerted himself in that scan somehow when he walks past him as if he's a mere breeze in the wind.

Uh, no, I said it was a casual eyeblast, which it was. A casual eyeblast from him is still incredibly impressive.

Thanos clearly needed their help....he simply aimed to move Hulk out of the way and in the process knocked the air out of him.

He literally says that he doesn't need hulk at all.

You're litterally grasping at straws to give hulk nonexistant durability feats; he had no lethal intent whatsoever.

Because Thanos, the guy who killed half the universe to impress a girl and is literally in love with Death, is such a life-loving guy, right?

Also lmao @ that cheese filled classic instance where Thing gets him to the ground after putting him in a Headlock. Just after he was casually swatting away everything in his path.

Uh, what are you talking about? He literally has casually oneshotted the thing with a fingerblast and oneshotted him with his eyebeams, huh?

Meh....His eyebeams dont have the specific feats

but he's used it in conjunction with the energy from his hands so I see no reason to classify them as drastically different.

Sure, they're not different types of energy but they have different power levels and intensity, i.e. you need to prove your point with feats for his eyeblasts.

Thanos can oneshot himself; that in itself should end basically any debate right there.

Lol he killed himself with a full power blast from both his hands onto his non-sheilded skull, right between the ears. What does that have anything to do with his eyeblasts power?

You have spotty selective reading and comprehensive skills; every instance referred to in this debate has been carried by your imagination by a baffling degree and now you're doing it with simple sentences.

uh huh

I think even that response hints im not fully accurate on occuranceshowever I can tell the difference between your inflated opinion and Canon quite easily.

all without actually knowing what happens in said issues. Great job.

Yet again a fabricated fairy tale, Hulk comes in out of nowhere towards him, Thanos swats him like a bug without even moving from the spot he's in Hulk goes flying then laughs at his situation:

Lol not only did he literally not even smile, let alone laugh, hulk is the only person that made any inclination of happiness. Yeah, surprisingly you can react to someone and punch them without flying into outer space, I.E. every person intercepting a bull rush or someone moving fast ever.

This was done with the most minimal of effort; using Thanos' final motive to dissuade from this fact is again an example of your vivid imagination.

Lol he literally stepped up to punch him while saying that life is a diversion, i.e. talking about death. If he really didn't care he would have sent his Black Order immediately to go deal with him, or done something that would require no effort on his part, like TP or an eyeblast, instead he moved to physically punch him and only after he say that hulk was not dead assigned the Cull to go kill him.It's not even his final motive, death is literally why thanos does anything and everything that he does, once he sees that hulk is not dead, he assigns his lackies to go kill him, while he deals with the avengers. Vivid imagination my ass.

Indeed it does, so stop picking and choosing which parts to use properly.

Says the person saying that thanos for some reason wanted hulk alive.

I seriously only think the weight is when the spear is physically touching you as noted when it was hurting Hyperion without really cutting him or anything.

Uh... Corvus's glaive cuts atoms, Proxima's spear is a literal star. Hulk was taken out by the weight of a star, Hyperion was wrecked by the glaive scratching him while corvus was smiling.

Also Hulk was nigh-useless after that and got reverted like a page or two later. Hardly an applicable feat though Im sure he has a blackhole feat somewhere along the lines.

Yeah, because he had the weight of a star on his back. Nevermind the fact that what took him out was Proxima ripping the spear out, and doing that creates anti-particles, meaning that what transformed him back to banner was the antiparticles the spear creates.

He has a black hole feat where he saves the defenders from a large singularity by holding it open, yes.

Not seeing how this is at all relevant to anything at all as the point of this thread is them tanking Narutos attacks not replicating Hulks Durability feats.

Strength feat, and you said yourself that it wasn't that impressive so I wondered whether the characters in this thread could do it.

It seems like you're taking this personal now my guy.

lol ok.

Yup a scratch, an energy blast that blew Thanos back temporarily, and a punch. Thanos physically dominated other than that. The scans don't lie im afraid. Other than stalemating him in a few energy clashes and still being conscious this isnt a good showing for Anihilus other than Thanos' statements.

a "scratch" that had Thanos screaming in pain and ripped through him, a blast that blew thanos back the exact same way his blast blew him back, and a punch that had him on the floor. After they literally stalemated in energy attacks, Thanos landed three attacks, saying that only "superior experience would save the day", and he "won" despite the fact that Annihilus was conscious and that he was only on his knees. Annihilus stalemated him in energy clashes for over a page, took Thanos' best energy attack with little effect, and clearly hurt thanos with his attacks. This is not something that a thor or hulk, or quasar, or surfer, or whoever other level characer could do, coupled with the fact that Thanos literally states multiple times that annihilus is his equal in raw power.

You cant comprehend the tone of a story well, You think Annihilus is going to exert the same effort as if he was fighting Hulk into fighting Thanos?

He didn't, until Hulk actually damaged him and he flew into a rage and tried to kill him. He also murked gladiator casually while remarking on how much more of a fight Hulk was.

Anyways even then he practically stomped him and needed a cheapshot to get the Thanman off him.

Well, Hulk obviously isn't going to win, but considering that he literally took Annihilus's "fully unleashed" blast, the same blast that was capable of casually stalemating Thanos's, damaged Annihilus's carapace, and took several of annihilus's attacks and a scratch previously, I'd say he did pretty good considering That Annihilus was capable of taking Thanos' blasts and hurting him with his punches and scratches.

Thanos' statements regarding power are completely and totally irrelevant as in the same issue he:

  • Equates Hulk and Gladiator physically
  • Claims he wouldnt have beaten gladiator as easily when he just virtually dominated Annihilus
  • Kills himself, before previously unable to fatally wound nih with supposed 'full power' along with beating him with his Energy attacks

Lol I'm baffled as to how you could

  • Somehow equate him talking about other character's showings and power levels in relation to one another
  • with him making a direct comparision with someone that he's literally fighting and trading blows with
  • And you can imply that he'd have no idea what his "full charge energy blast" is and whether or not he's using one, is he so clueless to the point where he literally has no idea how much power he's putting into a blast? Lol, annihilus taking it with "little effect" on panel is vastly different from him not being "fatally wounded"

I mean, Mephisto is literally the devil, yet we believe him when he said that Adam warlock is stomping him in a battle of souls, why would Thanos not be believed when he says someone is as powerful as he is while stalemating them and trading blows on panel?

These are moreso showings for Nih and no, the Thanman said he was going to win because he was THE Thanman:

Immediately after saying that superior experience would win the battle because Annihilus' power 'easily rivals his own', saying this while stalemating him in an energy release. Thanos saying he'll win because his thanos is like literally any character trying to impose with their names. 'I am Galactus, destroyer of worlds' 'I am thor, god of thunder and lightning, not reason and understanding' 'Hulk is the strongest there is', etc etc etc etc etc.

He clearly spoke of his experience in a boastful manner much like in the previous scan where he states some of his accomplishments.

Obviously so.

Nih stalemated Thanos when he was specifically holding back for Gamoras Safety he even says it before he unleashed his 'full might' against him and Thanos ate one of his biggest attacks with no damage.

Thanos literally says that Annihilus is also given the ability to let loose, he literally states this the panel after he says he's holding back for Gamora lol.

Annhilus also ate Thanos' best energy attacks with no damage, and then proceeded to slice Thanos open and floor him with a punch.

Which is immediately out the window moreso then it already was when one actually finishes the book.

.... sigh.

Funny cos' your average nuke at test sites usually range to 210-250 db. Tsar Bomba was not measured however ive seen claims of 180 db which wouldnt be practical if it were a air burst.

Funny because decibel power intensity does not increase linearly, a 300 db weapon is over a dozen times more powerful than a Tsar bomb, a supernova containst about 600 db of energy, galaxy busting is about 700 db, and universe busting is about 810 db.

Not that it really matters as Narutos weakest Attack in Kurama Avatar quite litterally outweighs the yield of hundreds of Tsar Bombas:

good for it.

Oxygen is a single atom until it reacts with something (Namely anything it touches) Re entry speeds prevent this from happening and basically oxidises everything around you. At face value that is massively more impressive than tanking soundwaves with no concrete measurement.

lol preventing something from compressing does not compare in any way to something that literally rearranges molecules subatomically, using sound vortextes, Which I could easily state are 500 db in power, but I won't as something with the power to rearrange something subatomically being shrugged off by hulk is good enough, let alone on Thor's level.

Yup, totally nothing to question about it:

right, because a weapon overloading and exploding totally equals what happens when it's specifically pointed at something and is used. Which is why if you tank a gun exploding in your hand, you can obviously tank the bullet, or if you tank captain cold's gun exploding in your hand, you can tank absolute zero. Flawless logic.

A character said its Thor level so it clearly must be

Oh well, I'd think bruce banner, one of the top smartest people existing on the planet, and shield's files, which have been collecting and documenting data since the 70's would be more reliable than a random character, but your opinion certainly holds more weight.

Both would be vasrtly superior to what you're showing me, a gun whose best feat is melting a guy rather than just straight up turning him into dust.

melting a-? I'd like you to show me literally anything in the comic that shows him being melted and not turned to dust, or literally anything other than a panel of him screaming and starting to be vaporized. Also, the gun you're talking about and the gun I am are completely different, one is one that hulk threw down that exploded, killing a dude, and one is a gun that rewrites atoms.

I see what type of debating you're fond of, exaggeration over actual showings.

Right right, because the device just emits loud sound and doesn't actually do what daredevil said it did (with a citation lmao), and doesn't operate at the level that shield and Bruce banner said it did. Because you say so.

You should write a childrens book with all the fairytales you've told in this one post alone, in hulk #6 Thor practically threeshotted rulk:

lmfao if you actually read the issue you would know that Rulk tanked a mjolnir throw, took three strikes and a lightning blast, and the moment hulk came and knocked him away Rulk was fine and started fighting. He literally only says that thor 'had him on the ropes' with those hits, and sure, I'm fine with the fact that if Thor had continued hitting him for an unknown time period, he would have killed him.

What makes it even worse is that this comes after 4 issues of Rulk fighting, fighting Iron Man, she hulk, A bomb, Harpies, Savage hulk, and an issue earlier Thor himself, who he tanked multiple blows from

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and left beaten on the moon, which he proceeded to jump down from, no-sell the impact, and go on to continue fighting savage hulk and thor who came back.

Y'know what the final nail in the coffin is?

That's not regular thor. That's Odinforce thor, although you could argue he was only written as powerful as regular thor would be.

gg

Dont even attempt to bring up that complete and utter mess of a fight that happened a chaptee before, it utterly oozes cheese.

Oh I'm sorry, I won't forget to bring up the in-canon fight that happened an issue before because you don't like it... because it's.. too cheesy or something. ROFL.

Let's just ignore that it literally makes sense as far as how the hammer works, but whatever, since you don't like it, It's banned from the forums.

Which one? And even then thwt's massive outlier because in their other fights it doesnt happen.

Lmao in their fights Rulk breaks hulk's arm, knocking him out, their second fight rulk literally says that he's about to kill him before thor interrupts, then afterwards he beats the shit out of him and overheats, which causes him to lose, because he was fighting for the past 6 issues lol. And in their third battle they trade blows before Rulk drains him. Another fight with banner in hulk's body (Hulk #11), they trade blows and re roughly equal before Rulk kills him with Namor's trident, the next issue hulk is revived as savage hulk and rulk takes a mountain busting punch from him,

Nevermind the fact that in comic books, every time a powerful character fights, they're not going to be shown as powerful as they are, or else hulk, thor, superman, green lantern, wonder woman, black bolt, etc etc ect would barely be city level, and all the times they're performed above that would be an outlier, as they have hundreds more instances when they don't perform as well as when they do.

Namely in hulk #24 where Banner absolutely stomped him as well.

LMFAO you're talking about Green Scar? Holy shit, you're somehow comparing the most powerful standard incarnation of hulk to savage hulk, and you think your comparison stands? in Hulk 24 Hulk literally talks entirely different and has an entire dialogue, both internally and externally, yet in all the other fights i's "hulk smash" speak, yet you somehow ignore this and think they're the same incarnation?

And you say you know enough to know what you're talking about

Rulk is consistently portrayed to be beneath the likes of Thor/Hulk level and he even got KO'd by a group of girls.

bruh i suppose you missed him stomping she hulk, then lolstomping she hulk again and almost choking her out when she had valkryie and thundra as backup, and then being shanked, shot and choked out because they suckered him and used tactics, then he proceeded to pull the swrod out that had gone through his chest, and then was only beaten because invisible woman choked him out and storm shocked him while he was out of oxygen. Otherwise he took on the entire group, which included she hulk, thundra, invisible woman, storm, valkyrie, and more, and was easily taking them on and was only really hurt due to piercing damage which he healed from. Lol

Just as Shaking a continent doesnt make it continent level.......youre right a 10.0 would probably split a continent busting that amount of physical landmass requires much more energy.

If the shockwaves of your punches effect everything in a continent, even something miles in the air and off shore while punching someone else, it's damn well continent level.

Clearly you dont understand the analogy. What I'm getting at is shaking =/= busting. Not to mention even if we accept the feat it is a shared one.

again, if you can shake and effect something hundreds of miles away and even in the air with the shockwaves of punching someone else common sense would tell you that he'd be punching with enough energy to destroy it. It's not shared, a shared feat would be if their punches collided and they achieved it, or they superman/doomsday punched each other and did it, but their individual attacks were causing that much damage, as in each punch was shaking said area.

Sentry is litterally as powerful as the story requires him to be, his Stability is as much of a plot device as Galactus' hunger.

That's true for literally any character. Lol but we can use what he does while completely stable or partially stable or depowered as a baseline, same thing that we can do for hulk if he's angry or calm, or enraged.

Rulk isnt continent level; the burden of proof is not on me to assume he is.

yeah the guy who shook a continent by the shockwaves of his blows alone, hits hard enough to cause earthquakes that are as powerful as 19 billion hiroshimas, oneshot an extinction level asteroid, and made a career out of fighting and beating people like hulk, thor, a bomb, surfer, watcher, grandmaster, abomination, etc etc etc under loeb, I'm pretty sure you have the burden of proof here.

*shrugs* who cares I thought he did something with a giant meteor or some crap before.

Ah, but of course, you know what you're talking about lmao.

I mean yea, he was badass during his run with jeph but even then he was still getting his ass handed to him just as equally.

Literally only when his piercing weakness was exploited, other than that he was an absolute beast, and I assure you I can name far more instances of him being a beast than the contrary.

*claps*

Second tier'; cute. I cant say I'm happily second fiddle to anyone in my area of expertise on this website, in fact i'll go as far as to say im unparalleled in regards to any Manga I've bothered to read. Simply one of a kind, I can't name drop anyone that compares to the untamable beast that is Hope_W.

... right. Because that's exactly what I said. Your reading comprehension is staggering.

You can't say things like that cos' consequences will backfire on you, however, me? Whose going to prove me wrong?

Not only did I never say nor imply that, happily stating users that are more knowledgeable than I am, but what I did say is that nobody thinks that you know enough about the hulk or even comics in general to make a substantial argument, and certainly nobody is going to agree with you that you know more about the hulk than me. So sure, you could be the undisputed anime king for all I care (SPOILER ALERT, you aren't), but trying to step up and act like the know-it-all debater is clearly not going to fly.

Stop acting as if youre better than me because you know more about a character. Its sad.

Lol I'm not better than you, I could care less about you, but the sad thing is the fact that you know barely anything about what you're talking about and you're trying to act superior about it, which you're failing horrendously at.

Meh....it was a mistake, however I fail to see how the last chapter of Infinity isnt 'the infinity Finale' but that's fine as well, you've been partially reading segments the entire debate.

A mistake that you repeated several times, as well as other ridiculous mistakes.

You're... you're seriously trying to defend calling Infinity #6 'the infinity finale'.

Nah, not like they're completely different thanos-related comics with one specifically being called 'the infinity finale' and one having an issue number with no subtitles ever calling it the finale, instead calling it part 6 of 6, "Amber", and not being referred to as even 'infinity finale' let alone 'the infinity finale', a comic that just happened to be thanos-related.

Oh no, it wasn't a mistake on your part because your knowledge on comics is lacking, it's everyone else's mistake for being foolish enough to not be aware of your ridiculous naming conventions.

Cos' scared? I mean you seem so confident;I'd just like to show you a whole lot better than I could ever explain it to you.

You can't do it in a debate?

I just dont think you're good enough to handle me in an actual debate, but it seems you can't prove otherwise.

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Oh no, I'm simply terrified at your passive-agressive pathetic attempts to use reverse psychology.

Because according to you, any debate that's not a Cav isn't a debate, right? Nah, you're right, everybody on this thread alone disagreeing with you and laughing at your attempts to wank totally means that you'll get all the votes in a Cav, hot stuff.

When was it established that Green Scar and Immortal hulk are the same thing?

Uh, well if it walk, talks, acts, and has about the same powerlevels and motivations as green scar, it's grey hulk, isn't it. Not to mention green scar being the most powerful standard incrnation of hulk and more powerful incarnations having the feats of lower ones.

Dont even know what the hell you're talking about, but this alone is just a clear indication of how sensitive you are in regards to your favorite character.

My favorite character is chulk, followed by weapon H, then banner. Your attempts at lowballing are just so ridiculous that it's hard not to laugh. I mean, I could throw out a random sentence like 'superman hurt by steamroller hurr durr', and any superman fan would try to see what instance I'm talking about and explain it, but sure, you're exempt from being asked to prove the shit you spew.

Thats not even a lowshowing either honestly which is the hilarious thing about it, do you think it has to be planet level period to hurt hulk?

Uh... I'd think a less than nuke level explosion wouldn't knock him out, or wolverine is incapable of casually oneshotting him and a random gorilla shouldn't be able to stand up to him, but sure, why not.

A joke just like your cognitive and comprehensive skills.

Ok buddy.

Ive never seen someone cut a reply off mid sentence like that.

... k

Pure rubbish.

lol

Here's the feat btw:

lol this is underwheming, can you prove that it was planetary? Sure, I see a destructive storm, but I assumed that you'd be able to show that it affected an entire planet, that could just be across a country for all I know.

Naruto casually throws out Atomic blasts where the fireball is damn near country sized:

Country level. Great. woohoo, such a destructive attack, it'll certainly take out someone who pre-core breach had a beign who blows up planets fail at taking him out.

And where I get it being Atomic from is TSB is blantantly stated to be superior to Molecule Manipulation:

Lol Where is it said to be superior? It literally in your scans is said to "be similar", how is that blatant superiority? Ignoring the fact that Hulk is a guy that as grey hulk could shrug off attack that can turn people to stone.

Not to mention for his last attack Naruto used senjutsu from the entire planet:

People are saying that no, it's not from the planet, it's from the surrounding area, which to me makes as mcuh sense as your explanation. Can you provide something concrete saying that it's from an entire planet? And also, taking energy from a planet does not make you planetary, it entirely depends on the amount of energy you take. For example, oldpower users draw energy from the entire planet and they're not planetary, in fact Hulk has tanked Skaar punching him with the kinetic energy of him slamming tectonic plates around and survived Caeira blasting the force of the planet rotating inside of him, while weakened.

Honestly Naruto alone can be argued to be continental, adding Sasuke just makes it unquestionable my guy.

Ok, continental, Why is this impressive exactly?

In fact Naruto already tanked an attack that split the moon then proceeded to overpower it.

Everyone knows that it was a hollow moon. i know that, and I don't even read or watch Naruto. That feat is continental, multi-continental at best.

Suggesting they cant even hurt hulk is wank only users of your caliber know how to result to.

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#235 Posted by Battle123axe (8981 posts) - - Show Bio

how could I forget @supremegeneration when I mentioned the vine's best hulk debaters.

definitely fits in with the second group.

Sorry man

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#236 Posted by BruceRogers (17317 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilneas: Yeh, it's like the guy never stops trying.

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#237 Edited by TheOriginalOne (4005 posts) - - Show Bio
@hope_w said:

Hm......suggesting Naruto/sasuke's clash didnt cause a planetary Storm denies two undebatable facts:

  1. Madaras wood release is planetary, he litterally has to do so to get the power from IT. This was shown as well as stated millions of times that it's effecting the entire planet. That is litterally the entire Plot of the war itself, its not debatable.

And you do know wood has the ability to grow.... That is why Madara and Hash can make entire forests like nothing. Also, a shockwave produced by an attack has no correlation to being able to grow wood.

  1. By extension of the first pointKaguyas final amp was from everyone on the planet under IT; this to was again directly stated more than several times and is litterallyKaguyas mission in the first place. Infactthats the whole reason behind Naruto the series itself. Its why Hagoromo and Hamura challenged her in the firstplace.

Don't know what this has to do with Naruto and Sasuke blast....

So the shockwave reaching multiple areas of the godtree is more than enough to substantiate the claim of its range; not the cinematic pan effect on Kakashi. I would think some people would have the common sense to piece that together.

Again, that area wasn't planetary size. Again. at best country level. The random scans they showed of it reaching a certain part of the god tree could have been in that specified area. You basing the shockwave was planetary based on a few random scans of the god tree, knowing it was spread all over the planet, is outright stupid.

Secondly, theirs also hundreds of theories that logically place the Naruto world as drastically larger than our own (The size of the forests, Tree's, and Animals) however we assume its the size of earth until solidly proven otherwise as its been directly referred to as 'earth'.

I can agree with their earth being the same size as earth but not that it is bigger.

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#238 Posted by TheOriginalOne (4005 posts) - - Show Bio

@battle123axe: @hope_w

Battle, this user is lying. Naruto is continental but his attacks max out at country to maybe country plus. And he can't just spam this type of attack.

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#239 Posted by SupremeGeneration (11724 posts) - - Show Bio

Wut

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#240 Posted by Battle123axe (8981 posts) - - Show Bio
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@battle123axe said:

Clenching the ground to stand up a panel after he gets blasted, standing up, and immediately going to attack again 2 panels later means that he's "desparate"? Lmao

If he shrugged it off like you so incorrectly claimed why is he on the ground in the first place?

Bruh at absolute most hulk was on one knee (and that's a ridiculous position to be kneeling on regardless), this is literally two panels after thanos blasts him (he's still smoking), by the third he's already about to hit thanos while in that exact position.

In other words, no he's not kneeling, he's slouching, as the hulk does, not only is that a ridiculous position to kneel in, but he's seen in that exact same position a panel later, and he's certainly not kneeling and is about to hit thanos.

He clearly is, theirs no worst case scenario about it, stop making things up. Hulk got flattened and struggled to get to his feet by the time Thanos addressed them as a group he was then ready to attack and had recovered by then. Nothing more nothing less.

Lmao. The hulk isn't unbeatable, first. Plenty can beat him, plenty have. Superman for example. Naruto is not in that list.

If you're debating for him, 2099 spiderman beats him 10/10.

Y'know, every single time the hulk has used his HF,there is some visible injury indicating that his healing factor is needed. Why the ever loving hell would him literally getting up from something in two panels mean that his Healing Factor was needed? Did thanos burn a hole in him or something? WTF are you on about? And besides, his healing factor is in action in this thread, so even if we uberwank naruto's blast like you're doing, They could literally skeletonize hulk and he'd heal, and he has healed from being skeletonized BTW.

Yea this is where I say you're either taking this personally or arent very intelligent. My guess is both.

  • My initial comment states they stop at hulk every round but could skeletonize him easily, clearly that hurt your feelings as you've bought nothing to disprove the claim.
  • The smoke is visibly coming off him still that means hulks healing from something even if it is superficial damage, he isnt ready to attack until its gone. Common sense should piece together the rest.
  • Provide an explanation for hulk not immediately getting to his feet the same page and not immediately moving to attack again since he wasnt on his knee in the next page like you so falsely claim

He literally says that he doesn't need hulk at all.

Who is going to help him if he kills one of them off the bat? Like seriously, do simple things like this have to be broken down for you? Even in first grade I could tell you Lex dont like Superman but if they're not fighting CLEARLY its a reason behind it. This is just embarrassing.

Because Thanos, the guy who killed half the universe to impress a girl and is literally in love with Death, is such a life-loving guy, right?

Yea because killing the ally of the guy you need help from just goes perfectly along with the plot of the story. I need you to stop eating paste in all those Literature classes you take, at least attempt to use your brain just a little here.

Uh, what are you talking about? He literally has casually oneshotted the thing with a fingerblast and oneshotted him with his eyebeams, huh?

I was mentioning the sheer PiS in that classic issue where Thanos had to twoshot Thor when he was just finger flicking him and the xmen while casually strolling.Thing was the one who put him in a headlock and wrestled him to the ground which is just a total load classic or not.

Sure, they're not different types of energy but they have different power levels and intensity, i.e. you need to prove your point with feats for his eyeblasts.

Proof he cant manipulate the amount of energy to his eyebeams? You yourself concede to the notion they are the same energy, he used them on similar levels of combat as his regular blasts and has even shown more versatility with his eyebeams showing he can control the lethality in which he uses them. I shouldnt even need provide scans honestly, since you're so much more knowledgeable than I am you would know its an example of this with Drax before the fight.

Lol he killed himself with a full power blast from both his hands onto his non-sheilded skull, right between the ears. What does that have anything to do with his eyeblasts power?

Why cant he manipulate the same amount of energy to Hulks head to make it go pop? Are we not on the agreeance that Thanos is more durable than Hulk so it wouldnt take as much effort or are you just going to be obtuse across the boards?

Do johnnys flames suddenly gain or lose power if they come out his hands or feet? Do Hal's blasts suddenly lose power if they're being fired from a construct he made rather than his ring? Does Thor's Lightning lose power because its's coming from the sky rather than himself? You might as well grab a rake at this point with all these straws.

all without actually knowing what happens in said issues. Great job.

I mean it doesn't help that you're ignoring what I'm showing you but you just keep on eating that paste.

Lol not only did he literally not even smile, let alone laugh, hulk is the only person that made any inclination of happiness.

Oh my goodness, yea, I see what im really dealing with here. You got Thanos was smiling/laughing from 'Hulk gets sent flying and laughs at his situation'. Digest what you read before typing, screaming and flailing everytime something doesn't go your favorites way shows what type of 'debating' you're really doing here.

Yeah, surprisingly you can react to someone and punch them without flying into outer space, I.E. every person intercepting a bull rush or someone moving fast ever.

Don't know what the hell this means, however if you're now implicating this wasnt casual you are again false.

Lol he literally stepped up to punch him while saying that life is a diversion, i.e. talking about death. If he really didn't care he would have sent his Black Order immediately to go deal with him, or done something that would require no effort on his part, like TP or an eyeblast, instead he moved to physically punch him and only after he say that hulk was not dead assigned the Cull to go kill him.It's not even his final motive, death is literally why thanos does anything and everything that he does, once he sees that hulk is not dead, he assigns his lackies to go kill him, while he deals with the avengers. Vivid imagination my ass.

That's outright the stupidest reasoning i've ever heard; you arent even collecting straws anymore, at this point you're pulling up the damned grass. You litterally made up some entire elaborate scheme to dissuade from the fact Hulk stepped to him and got swiped with not much effort then sent his guards in. That's all the showing is, stop attempting to make it a feat for Hulk.

Says the person saying that thanos for some reason wanted hulk alive.

Whatever dude, like seriously that arguments trash. It doesn't change much if anything hulk got treated as if he was a mosquito

Uh... Corvus's glaive cuts atoms, Proxima's spear is a literal star. Hulk was taken out by the weight of a star, Hyperion was wrecked by the glaive scratching him while corvus was smiling.

Wow. Just complete and utter rubbish, hulk was the one who got lightly scractched hyperion tanked a slash then oneshot him before fainting. I litterally showed the scan already. Stop fabricating bullshit:

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If one cant simply look at the scan and see that's in a much more violent manor than lightly descending it across Hulk's neck than I'm not sure what to tell you dude. Think whatever you want.

Strength feat, and you said yourself that it wasn't that impressive so I wondered whether the characters in this thread could do it.

I was outlining mainly the part about the glaive cutting him as Narutos attacks consist of Microscopic blades inside the blast radius of his attack that Vary depending on what he adds. In which case collab'd with TSB they have the proper feats to effect hulk its no way to deny this. But I guess your selective reading strikes again.

a "scratch" that had Thanos screaming in pain and ripped through him, a blast that blew thanos back the exact same way his blast blew him back, and a punch that had him on the floor. After they literally stalemated in energy attacks, Thanos landed three attacks, saying that only "superior experience would save the day", and he "won" despite the fact that Annihilus was conscious and that he was only on his knees. Annihilus stalemated him in energy clashes for over a page, took Thanos' best energy attack with little effect, and clearly hurt thanos with his attacks. This is not something that a thor or hulk, or quasar, or surfer, or whoever other level characer could do, coupled with the fact that Thanos literally states multiple times that annihilus is his equal in raw power.

Once again, they only stalemated energy attacks when Thanos was holding back, when it escalates outside he gets a blast. Thanos eats his biggest blast to the face than procedes to dominate from there.

Show me where he stated so? He called him a formidable opponent and said his power 'rivals' his own might; thats it.

He didn't, until Hulk actually damaged him and he flew into a rage and tried to kill him. He also murked gladiator casually while remarking on how much more of a fight Hulk was.

Never denied this nor am I attempting to discredit the feat for Hulk; I just dont Think Nih is on his level at that point in time.

Well, Hulk obviously isn't going to win, but considering that he literally took Annihilus's "fully unleashed" blast, the same blast that was capable of casually stalemating Thanos's, damaged Annihilus's carapace, and took several of annihilus's attacks and a scratch previously, I'd say he did pretty good considering That Annihilus was capable of taking Thanos' blasts and hurting him with his punches and scratches.

I mean by that same Logic glads took them as well....and many more of them than both Thanos and Hulk. Granted he did get get utterly crapped on *cough* no outside help/plot *cough* the fact he survived that many cuts ( that even Hulk had trouble regenerating from just one) along with Several energy blasts.

Are you saying he couldn't oneshot Gladiator now? Like seriously, find where they stalemate for me when Thanos says he's using full power?:

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Lol I'm baffled as to how you could

Somehow equate him talking about other character's showings and power levels in relation to one another

with him making a direct comparision with someone that he's literally fighting and trading blows with

Rofl, did you think splitting a single sentence was going to appropriate it as two points? Thanos ate everything Nih threw at him, was handicapped from the jump by watching over fodder (even admits to his arrogance), controlled the pace of the fight, and ended up stomping him. No matter how many Hairs you attempt to split; this remains irrefutable.

And you can imply that he'd have no idea what his "full charge energy blast" is and whether or not he's using one, is he so clueless to the point where he literally has no idea how much power he's putting into a blast? Lol, annihilus taking it with "little effect" on panel is vastly different from him not being "fatally wounded"

It seems like a load to me and honestly one could argue the Largest attack nih dealt was redirected energy from the Cosmic Rod, meaning he didnt tank but Absorb it.

I mean, Mephisto is literally the devil, yet we believe him when he said that Adam warlock is stomping him in a battle of souls, why would Thanos not be believed when he says someone is as powerful as he is while stalemating them and trading blows on panel?

Because Thanos Stomped him when he put his all into it? Mephisto actually was getting stomped by warlock though and we know whats behind his full potential.....you cant equate the two.

Immediately after saying that superior experience would win the battle because Annihilus' power 'easily rivals his own', saying this while stalemating him in an energy release. Thanos saying he'll win because his thanos is like literally any character trying to impose with their names. 'I am Galactus, destroyer of worlds' 'I am thor, god of thunder and lightning, not reason and understanding' 'Hulk is the strongest there is', etc etc etc etc etc.

If you're talking about that massive green explosion, no that wasnt a stalemate. Thanos ate that to the face as clearly it was released energy from the Cosmic rod. Which like I said leads me to believe he redirected his fullpower attack rather than blatantly tank it.

Obviously so.

So you concede to the notion that he's speaking of his experience just like his previous accomplishments; in a second hand intangible like nature.....yet believe Thanos needed experience to win rather than what he was implicating towards the end; that he was just simply better than Nih?

Please do break down your thought process for me because from an outside view its clear all your wheels aint' spinning.

Thanos literally says that Annihilus is also given the ability to let loose, he literally states this the panel after he says he's holding back for Gamora lol.

And for what reason at all is Nih holding back? I guess a little common sense is too much to ask for?

Annhilus also ate Thanos' best energy attacks with no damage, and then proceeded to slice Thanos open and floor him with a punch.

He didn't actually, even in the context "full-charge" can easily be interpreted as head on especially if you take into account Thanos' vocabulary has more of an English (United Kingdom) hint behind it. Nevertheless this is directly contradicted by Thanos holding back for Gamora so.....

Funny because decibel power intensity does not increase linearly, a 300 db weapon is over a dozen times more powerful than a Tsar bomb, a supernova containst about 600 db of energy, galaxy busting is about 700 db, and universe busting is about 810 db.

DB is sort of like Wattage in regards to pure measurements, in the sense that it is but a measure of the source of power, not how it is applied or how it flows (what Voltage/Ampere is to Wattage). It isnt even a unit of energy its a unit of power therefore we have no idea how that power is being applied into energy so its unquantifiable. Seriously, provide sources for this garbage because you're making things up yet again.

You can't exceede 190 at sea level anyways, however a Tsar bomba level skyburst would be well over the 300ish range using a conversion from watts to DB......not even close actually as 1 Megaton of TNT is 116 Gw........10Gw is 100Db.

good for it.

Yea, lets put 'hundreds of times larger than Tsar Bomba' in perspective tsar bomba had a 8 miles wide at its peak radius Narutos was easily and visually clear that its well over a country; screw it 200km(124 miles, very generous compared to the mass opinion btw) seems like a more than fair claim being as you can observe the Curvature of the planet along with it being comparable to an ocean side:

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Everything in the blue is made no more by the Narutos Atomically shredding TSB Rasenshuriken windstorm, everything in red is Destroyed upon detonation. you can speculate the shockwave somewhere in the outer area. Which brings me back to the point of why a rather uninteresting individual such as yourself tagged me in the first place. Do you have any actual arguments against it or is your only retort going to be 'Hulk Planet Level!!!' Every response?

lol preventing something from compressing does not compare in any way to something that literally rearranges molecules subatomically, using sound vortextes, Which I could easily state are 500 db in power, but I won't as something with the power to rearrange something subatomically being shrugged off by hulk is good enough, let alone on Thor's level.

Rofl! Go ahead and provide your argument then big man? Ive been waiting this entire debate, go ahead and quantify the feat so your argument can finally have something meaningful to stand on. You know else rearranges Molecules? Microwaves; hell oxidising something IS rearranging Molecules on an atomic level. This feat has no real value other than possibly arguing Hulks Molecular structure, however that in itself is completely and totally irrelevant as it really does nothing for Hulk here.

right, because a weapon overloading and exploding totally equals what happens when it's specifically pointed at something and is used. Which is why if you tank a gun exploding in your hand, you can obviously tank the bullet, or if you tank captain cold's gun exploding in your hand, you can tank absolute zero. Flawless logic.

Please stop typing; if a bullet goes off in the chamber it exploded in your hand therefore that bullet did what it was designed to do and it just so happened to go off in your hand. I mean if a Mortar prematurely detonates what happens? Does the explosion somehow lose effect? Once again sir all Im asking for is a TAD bit of common sense.

Oh well, I'd think bruce banner, one of the top smartest people existing on the planet, and shield's files, which have been collecting and documenting data since the 70's would be more reliable than a random character, but your opinion certainly holds more weight.

Feats >>> Statements>>> Character Statements >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2nd hand Character Statements.

melting a-? I'd like you to show me literally anything in the comic that shows him being melted and not turned to dust, or literally anything other than a panel of him screaming and starting to be vaporized.

Your lack of intellect makes it nigh-impossible to properly hold a debate with you. If Melted/Dust/Vaporized whatever term you possibly want to throw at it if you cant conjugate them all qith the same meaning than Im sure whatever you've read or are going to read is going in one ear and back out the other.

Also, the gun you're talking about and the gun I am are completely different, one is one that hulk threw down that exploded, killing a dude, and one is a gun that rewrites atoms.

Its the same damn gun:

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Right right, because the device just emits loud sound and doesn't actually do what daredevil said it did (

a citation lmao), and doesn't operate at the level that shield and Bruce banner said it did. Because you say so.

Never denied it didnt work on that level you just cant quantify its effect power and it has numerous showings against it along with you blatantly denying the fact that the fact that it exploded it didnt do much of anything along with a guy only being singed from it:

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Ohnoki's Molecular manipulation straight up destroys everything leaving no trace of its existence:

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So Onoki can Manipulate Molecules on a sub-atomic level as well but has actual feats to back up said claims.....and said molecular Manipulation is inferior to TSB which Naruto's attack consists of. Even though this feat was completely and totally worthless for Hulk here, its been proven as irrelevant. Moving on

lmfao if you actually read the issue you would know that Rulk tanked a mjolnir throw, took three strikes and a lightning blast, and the moment hulk came and knocked him away Rulk was fine and started fightHe literally only says that thor 'had him on the ropes' with those hits, and sure, I'm fine with the fact that if Thor had continued hitting him for an unknown time period, he would have killed him.

Wow. Thor not only didn't touch him with his lightning he saved Hulk with Mjolnir then Three-pieced him and Hulk interrupted before he could land the final blow: just look at the damn scans:

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What makes it even worse is that this comes after 4 issues of Rulk fighting, fighting Iron Man, she hulk, A bomb, Harpies, Savage hulk, and an issue earlier Thor himself, who he tanked multiple blows from

My guy Thor was litterally eating all of his hits and simply watched him use Mjolnir without even trying to stop him he even ate the hits with Mjolnir easily.

Y'know what the final nail in the coffin is?

That's not regular thor. That's Odinforce thor, although you could argue he was only written as powerful as regular thor would be.

gg

I mean cool story if you think Thor is Skyfather level or something along those lines.

Oh I'm sorry, I won't forget to bring up the in-canon fight that happened an issue before because you don't like it... because it's.. too cheesy or something. ROFL.

Let's just ignore that it literally makes sense as far as how the hammer works, but whatever, since you don't like it, It's banned from the forums.

Yea, Thor eating all his hits including the ones from mjolnir with only a busted lip all the while litterally WATCHING him grab hold of the hammer. The way he did it was legit, the fight itself is not and just goes to show you're a blatant fanboy in denial at this point.

Lmao in their fights Rulk breaks hulk's arm, knocking him out, their second fight rulk literally says that he's about to kill him before thor interrupts, then afterwards he beats the shit out of him and overheats, which causes him to lose, because he was fighting for the past 6 issues lol. And in their third battle they trade blows before Rulk drains him. Another fight with banner in hulk's body (Hulk #11), they trade blows and re roughly equal before Rulk kills him with Namor's trident, the next issue hulk is revived as savage hulk and rulk takes a mountain busting punch from him,

So in other words nothing that concretely puts him at continental? Ignore the fact they were already fighting on the San Andreas fault to cause the one feat of that level? I mean surely im not the only one whose going to be providing evidence here. You claimed he's continent level, prove it.

Nevermind the fact that in comic books, every time a powerful character fights, they're not going to be shown as powerful as they are, or else hulk, thor, superman, green lantern, wonder woman, black bolt, etc etc ect would barely be city level, and all the times they're performed above that would be an outlier, as they have hundreds more instances when they don't perform as well as when they do.

No, its just people like you who throw out a slue of highend feats and think they can be replicated without context or circumstance. Its been nothing but pure rubbish coming from you this entire debate, not a single substantiated claim.

LMFAO you're talking about Green Scar? Holy shit, you're somehow comparing the most powerful standard incarnation of hulk to savage hulk, and you think your comparison stands? in Hulk 24 Hulk literally talks entirely different and has an entire dialogue, both internally and externally, yet in all the other fights i's "hulk smash" speak, yet you somehow ignore this and think they're the same incarnation?

And you say you know enough to know what you're talking about

Uh......what? How does this help your point? If even Green Scar isnt breaking/shaking continents when trading blows with Rulk what the hell is the substantiation of him being continent level for supposedly 'just trading blows'? It really is hard to refrain from insulting someones intelligence when they continously make ridiculous implications.

Can you not see that trading blows with a superior opponent didnt cause this effect therefore should come to the conclusion of its onetime circumstantial event?Once again you go into a fit of rage when I insinuate something about Hulk that doesnt go along with your fanfiction.

bruh i suppose you missed him stomping she hulk, then lolstomping she hulk again and almost choking her out when she had valkryie and thundra as backup, and then being shanked, shot and choked out because they suckered him and used tactics, then he proceeded to pull the swrod out that had gone through his chest, and then was only beaten because invisible woman choked him out and storm shocked him while he was out of oxygen. Otherwise he took on the entire group, which included she hulk, thundra, invisible woman, storm, valkyrie, and more, and was easily taking them on and was only really hurt due to piercing damage which he healed from. Lol

What the hell does it matter these are all low-end mid tiers? Like litterally Tony stomps anyone there and would debatably beat them as a team with prior notice of thier attack. You're getting desperate.

If the shockwaves of your punches effect everything in a continent, even something miles in the air and off shore while punching someone else, it's damn well continent level.

It's not.....not to mention it barely caused any collateral damage to where they where.......its not continent level nor does shaking one make you that level. Nor does continously pounding away at it only to not even destroy the area you're in:

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That's true for literally any character. Lol but we can use what he does while completely stable or partially stable or depowered as a baseline, same thing that we can do for hulk if he's angry or calm, or enraged.

Sentrys abilities have no actual volume to use him in any area of scaling is what im getting at. All his feats are plot oriented.

yeah the guy who shook a continent by the shockwaves of his blows alone, hits hard enough to cause earthquakes that are as powerful as 19 billion hiroshimas, oneshot an extinction level asteroid, and made a career out of fighting and beating people like hulk, thor, a bomb, surfer, watcher, grandmaster, abomination, etc etc etc under loeb, I'm pretty sure you have the burden of proof here.

You are trasthest debater I have ever had the displeasure of replying to, I've shown you why rulk isnt anywhere near a hightier; dont provide the evidence. It doesn't matter to me as you can't nor havent proven your point at any time in this debate.

Ah, but of course, you know what you're talking about lmao.

Like i said, who cares about an irrelevant striking feat? Rulk is still midtier.

Literally only when his piercing weakness was exploited, other than that he was an absolute beast, and I assure you I can name far more instances of him being a beast than the contrary.

I mean when you're a fanboy of your caliber im sure Hulk just has to say 'smash' to get you to go into a frenzy of a wet dream

... right. Because that's exactly what I said. Your reading comprehension is staggering.

The same guy (god help if you're an illiterate woman) who can't correlate simple verbs? SURELY you've read over your own post before submitting it? Like my guy Its more than jusy reading comprehension that's at fault on your end.

Not only did I never say nor imply that, happily stating users that are more knowledgeable than I am, but what I did say is that nobody thinks that you know enough about the hulk or even comics in general to make a substantial argument, and certainly nobody is going to agree with you that you know more about the hulk than me. So sure, you could be the undisputed anime king for all I care (SPOILER ALERT, you aren't), but trying to step up and act like the know-it-all debater is clearly not going to fly.

The thing Is i never claimed to be a Hulk expert but I see now that I indeed do know more about him than you as you're an untalented, ignorable, paste-eating, straw grabbing, fanboy of a user. Like I said sir, it's not that im portraying myself to be so great, its just you in-general are that bad at basically anything pertaining to debating. People like you on these boards resemble nothing more than an infestation of pests looking to spread whatever bacteria comes from their mouths at the moment. A disease if you will.

Lol I'm not better than you, I could care less about you, but the sad thing is the fact that you know barely anything about what you're talking about and you're trying to act superior about it, which you're failing horrendously at.

What the hell? Im the only one whose provided actual arguments as well as scans here? You just keep typing irrelevant paragraphs in hope of getting the last word.

A mistake that you repeated several times, as well as other ridiculous mistakes.

Seems like words arent your only flaw, numbers confuse you to. Sure i said the Thanman had OBs, however it seems to be about the only angle you can play by seeing as you havent put out any real arguments.

You're... you're seriously trying to defend calling Infinity #6 'the infinity finale'.

Nah, not like they're completely different thanos-related comics with one specifically being called 'the infinity finale' and one having an issue number with no subtitles ever calling it the finale, instead calling it part 6 of 6, "Amber", and not being referred to as even 'infinity finale' let alone 'the infinity finale', a comic that just happened to be thanos-related.

Oh no, it wasn't a mistake on your part because your knowledge on comics is lacking, it's everyone else's mistake for being foolish enough to not be aware of your ridiculous naming conventions.

Like i said sir, if the last chapter of infinity doesnt register as 'the infinity finale' with the scans from the issue being present; it only makes it appearant of the elementary educational skill level i've been dealing with. If you possibly could use just a bit of the COMMON SENSE Ive been pleading about this entire post would it not be appearant that if I was mentioning Thanos' solo it would have been mentioned?

You can't do it in a debate?

Don't even worry about it anymore m8 you are pure garbage, just absolute rubbish rushing from your fingertips. I wouldn't advise anyone whose aspiring for even semi-intelligent conversation to bother wasting their time with someone of your nature.

Oh no, I'm simply terrified at your passive-agressive pathetic attempts to use reverse psychology.

Because according to you, any debate that's not a Cav isn't a debate, right? Nah, you're right, everybody on this thread alone disagreeing with you and laughing at your attempts to wank totally means that you'll get all the votes in a Cav, hot stuff.

Im a better debater than you, its that simple. You dont have skill, reasoning, hell even analogies, etc. All trash, just one simple glance at this debate will tell you all you need to know about users like you.

Uh, well if it walk, talks, acts, and has about the same powerlevels and motivations as green scar, it's grey hulk, isn't it. Not to mention green scar being the most powerful standard incrnation of hulk and more powerful incarnations having the feats of lower ones.

Immortal hulk is not green scar level yet and realistically he's still below WWH. Honestly I think him shrugging off some low-high tier characters who otherwise cant do much damage to him by feats is really impressive.

My favorite character is chulk, followed by weapon H, then banner. Your attempts at lowballing are just so ridiculous that it's hard not to laugh. I mean, I could throw out a random sentence like 'superman hurt by steamroller hurr durr', and any superman fan would try to see what instance I'm talking about and explain it, but sure, you're exempt from being asked to prove the shit you spew.

What the hell? I have to prove a statement you made? Anyways, liking different incarnations of Hulk doesnt change the fact that you're a hulk athletic cup, if anything it just broadens the scope of your unreal and nonsensical level of Bias.

lol this is underwheming, can you prove that it was planetary? Sure, I see a destructive storm, but I assumed that you'd be able to show that it affected an entire planet, that could just be across a country for all I know.

The Genesis Tree covers the entire planet, it shows multiple sections of the tree in different countries. Try again.

Country level. Great. woohoo, such a destructive attack, it'll certainly take out someone who pre-core breach had a beign who blows up planets fail at taking him out.

Yep a country sized Fireball with an atomic whirlwind of blades, it certainly does the trick.

Lol Where is it said to be superior? It literally in your scans is said to "be similar", how is that blatant superiority? Ignoring the fact that Hulk is a guy that as grey hulk could shrug off attack that can turn people to stone.

Rofl! Transmutation in comparrison to molecular manipulation or Atomic Disentegration; stay '2nd tier' my guy; heres the stated superiority btw:

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People are saying that no, it's not from the planet, it's from the surrounding area, which to me makes as mcuh sense as your explanation. Can you provide something concrete saying that it's from an entire planet?

Rofl @ the surrounding area, is that all you can grasp from "EVERYTHING from the ground up"? How about the fact that Sasuke's siphoning the chakra from the 10 tails whose chakra presence was stated as another planet directly?:

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Lmfao and that's before the Juubi was complete and was still missing two very large pieces of its Power (Kurama/Bee). Sasuke had all 8 and a half of Kurama and specifically channeled its chakra to his attack, Kurama matched that Chakra with Senjutsu he/she gathered from the entire planet.

And also, taking energy from a planet does not make you planetary, it entirely depends on the amount of energy you take. For example, oldpower users draw energy from the entire planet and they're not planetary, in fact Hulk has tanked Skaar punching him with the kinetic energy of him slamming tectonic plates around and survived Caeira blasting the force of the planet rotating inside of him, while weakened.

This is just another example of your fandom intuition by hopping to his side, 'everything from the ground up' is self explanatory. Not to mention Sasuke's Rinnegan has a planetary feat in resisting IT, Naruto has the body of a sage and can absorb planetary amounts of Senjutsu without petrifying. It fits with consistency.

Ok, continental, Why is this impressive exactly?

Because you Arent intelligent enough to figure out on your own that Continental Atomic shredding bomb > Planet busting in attack potency. Maybe someone a tad brighter can break it down for you howevervI don't have the patience.

Everyone knows that it was a hollow moon. i know that, and I don't even read or watch Naruto. That feat is continental, multi-continental at best.

Multi-continental? A casual punch? Ok, now you've just conceded on the notion that Naruto can hurt hulk with a punch alone. The moon is a continent btw, but if you wanna boost the feat for me than by all means, you've been fabricating fairy tales for your side of the argument just had to send one my way eh?

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#243 Posted by Hope_w (2834 posts) - - Show Bio

Yea, Naruto doesnt even spam his attacks anymore.......

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#244 Edited by TheOriginalOne (4005 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto's punches are ONLY MOUNTAIN LEVEL AT BEST so where is this continental coming from????

And Naruto spamming his TSB rasensuriken MEANS NOTHING when Kaguya, who has no durability feats on pre-core breach savage hulk level, tanked 9 of them like NOTHING....

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#245 Posted by Hope_w (2834 posts) - - Show Bio

Yea cos' Kaguya not being more durable physically takes away from the way the attack works; along with Kaguya being practically immune to most Ninjutsu and Hax Naruto has. Mad? Stay mad.

O/T stops at Hulk all rounds, anyone without a healing factor on his level is toast.

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#246 Edited by TheOriginalOne (4005 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol, So6p chakra can be used to harm Kaguya, what are you talking about???? Kaguya being immune to most ninjutsu has nothing to do with her tanking 9 of these tsb rasenshurikens LIKE NOTHING, which should harm her.

No one is mad, we are just tired of your bullshit and wank.

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#247 Posted by UltimateSage (2633 posts) - - Show Bio

Mega BUMP!

Stops at 18.