Naruto and Natsu vs Ichigo and Luffy

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Rules

Peak versions

Morals on

Win by KO or death

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Natsu > Luffy

Ichigo > Naruto

Ichigo > Natsu.

T2 wins.

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Either of Team 1 wrecks. Hell, Naruto can solo with a Shadow Clone while he and Natsu chill back and watch

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Naruto one shots all three of them

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Depends on your view of Ichigo's scaling and stuffs

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#6  Edited By kasya_carey
@ultimatesage said:

Naruto one shots all three of them

Luffy called lightspeed too slow in base I recall. I've seen some people label Luffy close to planetary on here. Now don't attack me I'm just curious about current luffy lmao. The same thing for Ichigo.

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Naruto>Ichigo

Natsu>Luffy

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Naruto > ichigo

Luffy >=< natsu

Team 1

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Naruto = Icigho >>>Luffy > >Natsu

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@manimalman: Luffy smacks Natsu like the slow MHS turtle he is

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@yellowthenaruto: luffy is faster imo, but thats about it. Natsu beats him in every other category.

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@ultimatesage said:

Naruto one shots all three of them

Luffy scaled lightspeed too slow in base I recall. I've seen some people label Luffy close to planetary on here. Now don't attack me I'm just curious about current luffy lmao. The same thing for Luffy.

I definitely assume Luffy to be FTL+ and that was post-time skip. With arcs, improvement of haki and forms. It has only gotten faster. I could go into detail to explain but that would be too lengthy for a simple reply.

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To the topic, Team 2 wins in my book. Ichigo basically cements this.

Unless of course you believe Deathbattle's version of events and that Naruto just outclasses him in raw power, then sure Naruto beats Ichigo. However then you have to take DB's estimate of Luffy's speed feat of being 13x of light and that's post-time skip. Sooooo....

Team 2. :)

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Naruto neg-diffs.

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#16  Edited By HaremPolice

Naruto negs his own fodder team mate, than negs both Ichigo and Luffy.

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Naruto beating all 3 of them together? @undre won’t like this one bit

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#18  Edited By LameLiarLeo  Online

i absolutely love the pick of team 1, meanwhile team 2 is just the original transparent forms

OT: Ichigo >> Naruto >>> Natsu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luffy, Team 1 Wreck

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#19  Edited By TheSlader
@lameliarleo said:

i absolutely love the pick of team 1, meanwhile team 2 is just the original transparent forms

OT: Naruto >= Ichigo >> Natsu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luffy, Team 1 Wreck

Fixed the pic for team 2.

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Basically Naruto vs Ichigo but with fodder teammates for each.

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@gdara said:

Basically Naruto vs Ichigo but with fodder teammates for each.

lol

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Team 1.

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@ultimatesage said:

Naruto one shots all three of them

Luffy called lightspeed too slow in base I recall. I've seen some people label Luffy close to planetary on here. Now don't attack me I'm just curious about current luffy lmao. The same thing for Ichigo.

When? By that logic he wouldn't get his shit pushed in by Kizaru who's stated to be light speed

Light speed One Piece characters are a myth, if a character was FTL then they'd have no trouble with Kizaru as they'd be able to avoid all of his attacks.

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This is basically a Naruto vs. Ichigo thread in disguise.

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#25  Edited By Yray

@curbstomped17: Light speed One Piece characters are a myth, if a character was FTL then they'd have no trouble with Kizaru as they'd be able to avoid all of his attacks.

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雷を纏う剣で繰り出す光速の斬撃! 一撃で的確に敵を居る剣術と高い動体視力を持つ。

TRANSLATION: "An attack at the speed of light with a ray-covered sword! It has fencing and high dynamic vision to precisely hit your enemies with a single blow."

Fodder like niji was stated in the viver card to move and attack at ls and he pilots same ls attack to hit specific targets while in a crowd to do so would require at least relativistic +/ls reaction speed

Oda even goes as far as to name the Blade taychon blade

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Same niji along with his brothers still couldn't escape from katakuri and bigmom despite them desperately trying to do so as their life depended on it

This is proof enough that ls is fodder low tier to most op top tiers as niji operates at that tier if not above and even fishman island luffy calls ls TOO SLOW.

Kizaru was also never stated to move at ls ..only his devil fruit was..which means he can move at a different tier of speed than his df while not using it

So it's flawed cap him raw physical speed to the lvl of his df for no reason

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OT:this is just another naruto vs ichigo thread in disguise

Wait for the other two to catch up

Luffy has the speed advantage to hang around with naruto and ichigo but lacks the Ap and durability but I can't say thesame for natsu. As he lacks in every category

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@yray: lol natsu outstats luffy in everything except speed.

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Naruto and Ichigo goes either way, the other two die in the resulting shockwave of their clashes.

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I see, another Naruto vs Ichigo thread in disguise.

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Natsu and Luffy are fodder here

Naruto>Ichigo

T1 wins

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Naruto and Ichigo goes either way, the other two die in the resulting shockwave of their clashes.

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If Luffy blitzes and punches Naruto in the head with CoC, what do you guys think would happen?

Regardless, you can’t have Ichigo any lower than planet-multi planet level from one shotting Yhwach in Bankai. He’s also way faster, so I think he just one shots Naruto.

Toneri feat you can probably get to continental, and him moving the moon was a result of years of Hamura storing up chakra. Don’t wank this feat anymore. Naruto is likely moon level-small planet level from scaling regardless.

Ichigo carries and wins here, due to superior AP and speed

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Multi Planet Bitchigo rofl

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By the way, those who claim that Ichigo defeated Yhwach with one blow at the end of the manga, then you should know this is the most humiliating and useless feat that he had. Yhwach was shot by Ishida' plot arrow, which robbed him of all his abilities making him completely vulnerable for a short period of time, and even then Ichigo with difficulties chop him up.

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Speed Ichigo:

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@ninjarizer: show me some of ywach'a planet level durability feats.

Also he was weakened by the plot arrow.

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@manimalman:

show me some of ywach'a planet level durability feats.

I'll give you a crash course on how Bleach works. Reiatsu scales to stats. This is canon.

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More reiatsu, more stats. This is literally shown throughout the entire series, Ichigo vs Kenpachi, Ichigo vs Aizen, so many fights show that reiatsu = stats.

Yhwach's dead corpse had enough reiatsu to stabilize the 3 worlds from collapsing. Not only this, but he also has the power to reform the three worlds after they have been destroyed. This obviously takes planet levels of reiatsu, nothing less.

The same way you need country levels of reiatsu to harm Ulquiorra, because he himself has country levels of reiatsu inside him from being able to spam Lanza (he created three), you need planet to multi-planet levels of reiatsu to harm Yhwach. Otherwise, the attack would just be tanked, just like Yhwach tanked Ichigo's Gran Rey Cero.

I'm not even counting the destruction of the Garganta, just lowballing for you :)

Also he was weakened by the plot arrow.

Do you remember that he one-shot him and killed him before the plot arrow, with a Getsuga Tenshou?

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#38  Edited By NinjaRizer

@manimalman: Furthermore, don't say I need an on-panel feat as if it disregards my argument, because you and I both know fully well no one in Bleach has destroyed a planet on panel. If you do, I'll switch my argument and ask for on-panel feats for Naruto's soul destruction resistance (since Shinigami directly attack souls) and durability feats. Don't open a can of worms.

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#39  Edited By ChaosKnight75

No one in Bleach can even bust a planet, not even Soul Kings whose overrated ass lost all his powers from being mutilated enough.

Deal with it

Forget Naruto. Even Natsu would murk Ichigo with his current feats against Aldoron shitting on basically any feat Ichigo has done

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No one in Bleach is Planetlevel,not even close

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@lexa59: ichigo and naruto are both FTL to some degree

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@lexa59: yhwach only lost allmighty's power for a moment, his durability is the same, and it is planet level

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@horroreto2: None of them are FTL, if they had such a speed, then Naruto or Ichigo would have crossed the entire planet in a couple of seconds.

Has any of them shown a speed comparable to the speed of Bambina to claim that they have FTL?

Speed Bambina

Yhwach lost all his strength because of the arrow of Isis and that's the only reason Ichigo was able to cut Yhwach who didn't care about Getsuga Tenshou + Gran Rey Cero.

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AP =/= DC and I'm surprised people keep mixing the two. You don't need to be able to bust a planet in order to have planetary AP as is the case with Ichigo.

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@lexa59: they aren't required to have FTL travel speed to be FTL in combat and reaction( bambina is MFTL to MFTL + also )

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#46  Edited By lexa59

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@lexa59: they aren't required to have FTL travel speed to be FTL in combat and reaction( bambina is MFTL to MFTL + also )

I can already see here FTL.

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I am surprised how people continue to jerk off this stupid farce, Ichigo's strongest attacks did nothing to Yhwach, but unexpectedly at the end when Yahweh was weakened, Ichigo was able to do something to him.

Just why do crazy people use ridiculous plot plums as arguments? Ichigo could not oppose anything to Yahweh, those moments when Ichigo was able to hit him, and Yahweh did not see it through the Almighty or could not block it, when he did it even without using full force immediately, just a facepalm. 🤦‍♂️

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Peak versions?

Baryon Mode Naruto>>>>>True Bankai+Horn of Salvation Ichigo>>>>>7 Fire Dragons Natsu>>>>>Current Luffy

Team 1 due to Naruto carrying

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I find it funny how people keep confusing AP and DC. I also heavily disagree with the idea of Ichigo stomping Naruto or vice versa. Anyone claiming such is just being outlandish.

OT: Ichigo loses to Naruto because of his nature as a brick. The other two opponents die before Ichigo goes down.

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Yeah no, Ichigo would shove Tensa Zangetsu up Natsu's ass so far up. Luffy gets turned into paste by Naruto. With Naruto and Ichigo it goes either way.

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@ninjarizer: so we're just supposed to believe he's got planet level durability because he was gonna collapse the bleach worlds into one despite him never demonstrating any durability on that scale?

Despite the previous guy that was holding the world together was bisected by a casual slash.

Or that the nature of the bleach worlds means that relatively small changes in reiatsu can do what yhwach was trying to do. Like how an extra 28000 normal souls was enough of a disturbance that SS had them executed. Do those 28000 people collectively get planet lvl durability too?

Nvm that the reiatsu defence thing is pretty inconsistent characters who aren't on the same level still hurt each other pretty often.

Idk, to me ywach having that kind of durability seems more like wishful thinking than any hard fact imo.