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Posted by Gilateen (3478 posts) 1 month, 5 days ago

Poll: Naruto & Ichigo vs Madara & Aizen (38 votes)

Naruto and Ichigo 24%
Madara and Aizen 76%

All in their Final arcs (4th Ninja war and TYBW)

Naruto starts in SO6P mode and Ichigo starts in Full Bankai

Madara starts in SO6P mode and Aizen is Muken

Chakra=Reiashu

In Character

Both sides have knowledge

Location: JF New York

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Starting distance: 95ft

Win By K.O or DEATH

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#1 Edited by JOVIOLMA (5608 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 2, Madara could potentially solos IMO.

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#3 Posted by UltimateSage (2048 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 2, Madara vs naruto= winner madara, aizen vs ichigo= winner aizen.

Madara can potentially solo.

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#4 Posted by SkySanji (4582 posts) - - Show Bio

Madara can solo, Aizen is fodder to Naruto or Ichigo (I'm pretty sure Aizen is weaker than Ichigo) so he definitely won't be able to solo.

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#5 Posted by echostarlord117 (5609 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh come on...

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#6 Posted by FaradaySloth (8542 posts) - - Show Bio

Madara soloes Naruto

Aizen soloes Ichigo

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#7 Posted by Jko1 (3005 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1 because in the end, everyone knows that the protagonist always win xd.

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#8 Posted by WorldofRuin6 (2610 posts) - - Show Bio

Madara solos Naruto while Aizen trolls Ichigo with KS. Team 2 with relative ease.

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#9 Posted by AlexTheBoss (17002 posts) - - Show Bio

If this is Madara after absorbing the god tree and becoming immortal, he arguably solos. Aizen is also immortal, which makes putting either of them down very difficult. Aizen can also troll them with kyoka suigetsu, and Ichigo can't see Madara's limbo. So team Madara and Aizen should win just about every time.

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#10 Edited by LoveEveryone (1116 posts) - - Show Bio

Nardo can always give Ichigo a power boost like he did for the entire shinobi army + 1,000 shadow clones. Team Naruto has a high chance...But then again Aizen has Hax and Madara has super Hax via Limbo. It’ll be hard for Naruto team to win, since they can’t combat the Hax with Sasuke.

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#11 Posted by Mee09 (5675 posts) - - Show Bio
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#12 Posted by ourmanuel (10568 posts) - - Show Bio

@mee09: why would he be able to see limbo? His expertise is in seeing ghosts.

OT: Team two wins, and either could solo imo.

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#13 Posted by reaverlation (25840 posts) - - Show Bio

Madara can only solo with IT. Team 2 wins

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#15 Posted by Wanderez (1470 posts) - - Show Bio

Aizen solos the rest, so technically team 2 wins.

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#16 Posted by LoveEveryone (1116 posts) - - Show Bio

@wanderez: That’s laughable. Aizen ain’t soloing Naruto without Madara. They not even in same tier.

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#17 Edited by Wanderez (1470 posts) - - Show Bio

@loveeveryone:

I dont wanna go off topic, however:

-passive KS

-speed advantage

-at least at Kenpachi's level of physicals (through scaling)

-has better feats than Naruto in his monster form alone

-Naruto cant put him down, neither can anyone else here

There's probably more. Just please dont derail the tread.

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#18 Posted by LeoTheGreatest (4273 posts) - - Show Bio

@ourmanuel:

He can at the very least sense them since he was able to sense Aizen and Kyoka Suigestu while in between dimensions.

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#19 Posted by LoveEveryone (1116 posts) - - Show Bio

@wanderez: Oh I see your name is a bleach name as well that’s why you think that.

Ima just use a very short explanation cus it’s too early for full debate. It’s already been argued that EOS Naruto blitz and wipes floor with EOS Ichigo who is kind of a jobber. And EOS Aizen scales to this version of Ichigo. So SPSM Naruto would beat Aizen as well, since Aizen is around Ichigo Level.

Also Aizen won’t be able to tank this attack which is not even Naruto strongest move

https://goo.gl/images/cq6v1h

Aizen gives nardo good fight but Naruto is too versatile and has too many numbers to go down to Aizen

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#20 Posted by ourmanuel (10568 posts) - - Show Bio

@leothegreatest: we don’t know if he had sensed aizen’s KS back at the would king palace/while traveling through yhwach’s portal”

Not to mention, that shouldn’t apply to limbo clones.

Then again, it’s not like it makes a difference. The limbo clones can’t do much to a full powered naruto or ichigo.

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#21 Posted by Tetsukage (2012 posts) - - Show Bio

Lmao Naruto beats Aizen's ass but then Madara solo's.

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#22 Edited by LeoTheGreatest (4273 posts) - - Show Bio

@ourmanuel:

iirc he said he sensed it on his way there meaning between worlds but yeah Limbo won’t be a factor here.

Edit: The Soul Kings Palace technically resides in a different dimesion regarless.

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#23 Posted by Tetsukage (2012 posts) - - Show Bio

@leothegreatest: not exactly the same.

He was sensing from a different world but it was only on said world, Limbo is on two different worlds at once. And IRRC Sasuke's sword passed right through it.

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#24 Edited by LeoTheGreatest (4273 posts) - - Show Bio

@tetsukage:

Yeah it’s not exactly the same but it’s close enough in my opinion. He was sensing a person and an ability from in between dimensions not a different world.

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#25 Edited by Wanderez (1470 posts) - - Show Bio

@loveeveryone:

Naruto doesnt blitz Ichigo due to lack of feats. And lets not mention that a casual swing=Naruto's strongest attack. What has been argued holds no weight for you to hide behind it, due to the fact that populairty on this site is Naruto>Bleach.

It really doesnt matter what attack you bring up, Aizen being able to heal from body and soul erasure ensures his win with the only character in HST able to bypass his regen being Yhwach with his power null.

But anyways, really dont feel like continuing with this. People have already asked in multiple threads for combat/travel feats for Naruto supporting he can blitz Bleach god tiers and everyone already failed to provide them. Just please dont bring up LF (its an outlier anyways) and the aim dodge with precog, or GWR, which is just mach 2.5k.

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#26 Edited by LoveEveryone (1116 posts) - - Show Bio

@wanderez: You must be trolling saying casual swing from Ichigo is bigger than Naruto strongest attack. But why am I not surprised. Your the same guy that thinks 10 Tails Madara can’t beat Monster Aizen.

So sorry this will be a long respond but in this situation it’s necessary.

I’m done talking on personal opinion I’ll post facts and feats from manga from now on.

By feats Naruto is much better in almost every aspect: Power, speed, durability, awareness, better numbers via 1 Ichigo VS 1,000 Naruto + Original, and especially versatility. Now for feats.

Naruto Feats

https://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/677/7

https://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/677/8

Dangai Ichigo casual Mountain Level+

https://goo.gl/images/DK5CBv

BM Naruto casual blast matched 5 mountain busters with his own Mountain+ / Island Level attack

https://goo.gl/images/UJ3BYJ

EOS Ichigo Feats

City level clash

https://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/676/9

EOS Ichigo casual swing

https://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/676/11

Go to this link are you serious ??????

https://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/676/12

EOS Ichigo slapping and tossing around sternritters

https://goo.gl/images/M4e9Ma

EOS Ichigo Bankai getting crapped on 3 or 4 times

https://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/678/6

https://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/678/7

https://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/682/18

https://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/684/8

This is what Naruto would do to EOS Ichigo

https://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/678/13

Aizen Hadō 99 Attack power and size

https://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/683/9

Aizen gets stomped by Ywach

https://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/683/11

Matter of fact I don’t even remember Ichigo ever hurting Ywach. Matter of fact they had to nerf him with a arrow to hurt him and stop his powers. So Ichigo can’t beat someone on that level alone.

https://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/684/11

https://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/684/12

https://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/684/17

Now EOS Naruto Feats

Destroying multiple meteors made from a country and this attack is bigger than anything I’ve seen in Bleach as far as explosion Attack Potench wise

https://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/677/8

EOS Naruto reacting to lightning

https://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/674/3

EOS Naruto dodging Relavistic light beam

https://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/674/6

EOS Naruto speedblitzing 10 Tails Madara who could keep up with 8 Gates Might Gai who could bend space

https://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/674/14

https://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/672/10

EOS Naruto matched Kaguya chKra fist

https://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/680/17

EOS Naruto reacting to this speed while caught off guard

https://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/683/4

EOS Naruto can summon at least 1,000 clones. And we already know how war KCM Naruto clones weren’t that much weaker than the original since they took out edo kages. So EOS Naruto clones should

Just be a tier up under him.

https://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/684/11

EOS Naruto soeedblitzed and cut off Kaguya arm. And her powers weren’t nerfed with a arrow like in Bleach when Ichigo magically defeated Ywach with that plot device move.

https://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/687/18

EOS Naruto attack explosion was so big you can see the curve of kaguyas planet they are on

https://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/688/11

EOS Naruto and Sasuke clash sizes over entire land

https://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/695/18

https://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/697/3

Finally I have posted many feats for Naruto and all the feats I could find for EOS Ichigo. EOS Ichigo has crappy feats compared to Naruto. So it is not just Naruto series is more popular than bleach series. It’s just that by feats and by reading what we saw, Ichigo doesn’t beat EOS Naruto. Deathbattle finally got something right. Anyone that thinks EOS Ichigo beats EOS Naruto is clearly delusional.

EOS Naruto would do this to Ichigo

https://youtu.be/y8d5UmbcQfo

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#27 Edited by Wanderez (1470 posts) - - Show Bio

@loveeveryone:

Literally almost everything is wrong.

First off, Lanza is at least mountain+. Ultrafragor is cacled at large island and Ichigo overpowered it with a casual swing.

Ichigo not only could hurt Yhwach, but actually killed him. Something Kenpachi was incapable of doing to a mere clone of Yhwach. This puts EOS Ichigo's casual swings at small country level with lowball.

Naruto dodging LF was with the help of precog and aim dodging, its also an outlier.

Guy straight blizted Madara and Naruto being able to blitz him too doesnt really prove anything. Not to mention that Guy could blitz Madara and disort space only while performing night guy, which indicates that the series are at low 4 digit mach speeds.

Clones are pretty fodder.

Also, if im not mistaking Sakura magically shit on Kaguya. Hmm. Also, Kaguya has no good speed feats herself. Bringing her up is useless.

So, the only feats that matter you brought are Naruto reacting to lightning. Gj!

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#28 Posted by Gilateen (3478 posts) - - Show Bio

@wanderez: If we’re being honest, Sakura tagging kaguya is just like how the arrow tagged Yhwach. It’s called Plot.

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#29 Edited by Wanderez (1470 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen:

I wouldnt be so sure, it was explained earlier that Uryu had power that can take on the Almighty. Now, its unknown if thats his Antithesis, or something else, however that indicates that it was not PIS.

It might be explained in the novel (which i doubt), or in the anime, if it ever comes back.

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#30 Edited by LoveEveryone (1116 posts) - - Show Bio

@wanderez: Aim dodging or not he still reacted to that speed at point blank range, and it’s already been calced at Relavistic so you can get big and salty all want. I already posted a crap ton of feats

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#31 Posted by Helloman (28587 posts) - - Show Bio

Team two stomps. Mismatch here.

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#32 Edited by Wanderez (1470 posts) - - Show Bio

@loveeveryone:

Precognition isnt reaction time. Im sorry, but thats it.

Have fun with your moon level Ichigo and planetary Naruto. Thats just sad.

Its funny, i literally went through everything you posted and countered it. That counts as "ignoring" though, my bad! Forgive me for my misinformation!

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#34 Edited by LoveEveryone (1116 posts) - - Show Bio

@wanderez: EOS Ichigo pales in comparison to EOS Naruto. EOS Ichigo is not getting passed an army of Naruto with massive destructive blasts when he literally jobbed around and got his sword broken like 10 times by the Last villain of the series. At least Naruto managed to damage and cut the arm off of his final villain Kaguya , and she didn’t have to be nerfed.

Sorry your delusional. EOS Naruto destroys Ichigo. Wait I forgot all about The Last Naruto who tanked moon splitting atttack. And The Last Naruto is even weaker than the one that fought Kaguya. BUMP.

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#35 Posted by LoveEveryone (1116 posts) - - Show Bio

EOS Ichigo can beat EOS Naruto now ?

@supreme_death: @SevenDeadlyGOD: @Hope_w posted: @UltimateSage:

@mygod101:

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#36 Edited by SevenDeadlyGOD (196 posts) - - Show Bio

@loveeveryone: EOS Naruto would curb Ichigo low diff based off better feats, versatility, hax and Naruto characters simply scale far above Bleach.

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#37 Posted by UltimateSage (2048 posts) - - Show Bio

@loveeveryone: Run dude, just run. He watched Roaring Thunder Pursuit's video about Ichigo's strength.

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#40 Posted by UltimateSage (2048 posts) - - Show Bio

@loveeveryone: yeah, just run.lol

Quick question tho, why do you believe The last BSM naruto is weaker then SOSP naruto war arc? Shouldn't it be the other way around?

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#42 Edited by Wanderez (1470 posts) - - Show Bio

@loveeveryone:

You do realize that Hope_L is a wanker, ultimate is a troll that sides with the Naruto character, sevendeadlygod is some alt account, if im not mistaking supreme was a wanker too (dont quote me on that).

Also, the amount of head canon in your last post was tremendous. Just accept the facts, the only relevant thing you brought up was lighting reaction. Guy himself is supposed to be one of the if not the fastest character in the verse and Madara being surprised that he can disort space with speed this later in the series puts the god tiers at low mhs+ reaction speed. Probably around the same combat speed, maybe even less. You're more than welcome to prove me otherwise.

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#43 Posted by UltimateSage (2048 posts) - - Show Bio

@wanderez said:

@ultimatesage:

When did i say Ichigo=Darksied?

When did I say that?

@wanderez said:

@loveeveryone:

You do realize that Hope_L is a wanker, ultimate is a troll that sides with the Naruto character, sevendeadlygod is some alt account, if im not mistaking supreme was a wanker too (dont quote me on that).

I'm the troll yet you're the one who agrees with universal yhwank.ok

Beside, I side with naruto characters when they clear win the match, unlike a lot of bleach fans.

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#44 Edited by Wanderez (1470 posts) - - Show Bio

@ultimatesage:

You said that im going off by what ive watched and heard in that video.

Also, WHEN, i repeat, WHEN did i EVER say "Yhwach is universal". I want a quote.

Literally every single thread ive seen you bump so far, you say the Naruto side wins, when they have to fight against intangibility, reality warping, fate manipulation, death manipulation, etc.

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#45 Edited by LoveEveryone (1116 posts) - - Show Bio

@wanderez: You said monster Aizen can beat any form of Madara. Your the true troll here.

Either your ignorant and don’t know the power scale and EOS feats of Naruto, or your a super bleach wanker. EOS Naruto tiers actually have feats to back them up. EOS Ichigo barely has any feats and the 2 or 3 that he has are crappy feats and got his sword broken multiple times.

But it’s understandable. Most bleach fans are in super denial and refuse to believe deathbattle when Ichigo lost to SPSM Naruto. But it’s the truth. Kubo rushed bleach at the end that he didn’t do a good job in showing Ichigo new power and basically crapped on his new power.

The Last is pure evidence and backs the EOS god tiers powerscaling for a weaker form of Naruto tanking a attack that sliced moon in half. No one In Bleach is tanking Toneri moon slicer. Sorry.

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#46 Posted by UltimateSage (2048 posts) - - Show Bio

@wanderez: You said that im going off by what ive watched and heard in that video.

(Yeah, this is what was said, now where is ichigo=darksied in that sentence?)

Also, WHEN, i repeat, WHEN did i EVER say "Yhwach is universal". I want a quote.

(You agree with what Mr. Viking says alot.)

Literally every single thread ive seen you bump so far, you say the Naruto side wins, when they have to fight against intangibility, reality warping, fate manipulation, death manipulation, etc.

(Yeah, their opponents got all those cool hax, but they don't got the stats to stay in the fight, and naruto characters have hax too compete with themselve). When have I been wrong in my bumps?

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#47 Posted by Wanderez (1470 posts) - - Show Bio

@loveeveryone:

You should probably re-read my post where i covered your misinformation.

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#48 Edited by Wanderez (1470 posts) - - Show Bio

@ultimatesage:

Wasnt that the same guy that said Ichigo's strength is comparable to Superboy's?

I never ether claimed or supported such statement. And i dont think i have to go over why he isnt universal. Remaining silence doesnt mean i agree. Someone brought the Yhwach is omnipotent and omniscient scans and 1 or 2 ppl bothered replying, does that mean that the rest agree? Ofc not.

All Bleach god tiers dwarf Naruto characters in stats. Most of the high tiers too.

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#49 Posted by LoveEveryone (1116 posts) - - Show Bio

@wanderez: EOS Ichigo ever beating EOS Naruto is complete Headcanon. He doesn’t have a chance.

Let me put it to you this way.

The Last BSM Naruto tanked a attack that cut the moon in Half

https://youtu.be/7h6TELsDxtE

The Naruto that we are discussing here is SPSM Naruto. SPSM Naruto is stronger and faster than BSM The Last Naruto that tanked moon slicer. So therefore SPSM Naruto should be above the moon slicer attack as well.

Naruto in BSM, was overpowering a moon slicing attack puts him in the tens of exatons of TNT which is stupid ridiculous. Ichigo has never shown ANYTHING close to this level of power. Wankers gonna wank. And salty dudes gonna be salty.

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#50 Posted by UltimateSage (2048 posts) - - Show Bio

@wanderez said:

@ultimatesage:

Wasnt that the same guy that said Ichigo's strength is comparable to Superboy's?

I never ether claimed or supported such statement. And i dont think i have to go over why he isnt universal. Remaining silence doesnt mean i agree. Someone brought the Yhwach is omnipotent and omniscient scans and 1 or 2 ppl bothered replying, does that mean that the rest agree? Ofc not.

All Bleach god tiers dwarf Naruto characters in stats. Most of the high tiers too.

This right tells me which one of us is the troll.

Bleach god tiers are country(lowest) to continental(highest) level with MHS+ to relativistic in speeds, except yhwach who can be scaled to planet level. Naruto god tiers are continental+(lowest) to moon Level(highest) with Relativistic to Sub-Relativistic in speeds, except madara and kaguya who are planet level.

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