Nappa, Vegeta, and Raditz vs Naruto, Sasuke, and Isshiki

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Rules

Manga Feats

Full Power/Peak

Win by any means

Versions in the PIC

Location: barren land

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#3  Edited By MantraXSP

Is this bait?

That picture of Raditz though...

Inb4 Star level Naruto, Sasuke, and Isshiki.

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Isshiki BFrs them

Off topic: Why does Raditz look like a chick in that picture?

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#5  Edited By Monstar572

Either Raditz solos

Or they just palnt a group of Sabiaman to solo.

Faster combat speed, and higher physicals by an absurd amount

Show me any Naruto character tanking a moon level attack and we can maybe make a case for maybe fighting Raditz

And no, Toneri's beam is not a moon level attack

You don't need moon level force to cut moon in half with that type of range and distance

Especially hollow one

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Is this bait?

That picture of Raditz though...

Inb4 Star level Naruto, Sasuke, and Isshiki.

How is this bait? It's Saiyan Saga

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#7  Edited By Monstar572

@kasya_carey said:
@highmantra_x0sp said:

Is this bait?

That picture of Raditz though...

Inb4 Star level Naruto, Sasuke, and Isshiki.

How is this bait? It's Saiyan Saga

Saiyan Saga characters are Planetary to Large Planetary characters in potency

You think Naruto characters are this strong?

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#8  Edited By MantraXSP

@kasya_carey:

OP Says Fullpower/Peak. Nah. Team naruto gets negged.

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@monstar572: I mean here hax and other ways of fighting too.

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Isshiki BFrs them

Off topic: Why does Raditz look like a chick in that picture?

No he doesnt you are just a gay narutotard.

OT: Nappa is enough to solo them.

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*Sigh* This again? Isshiki is the only real threat here, and I even doubt he could handle them 3 saiyans at the same time.

Team Saiyans win.

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@animefreak1 said:

Isshiki BFrs them

Off topic: Why does Raditz look like a chick in that picture?

No he doesnt you are just a gay narutotard.

OT: Nappa is enough to solo them.

Relax on the insults

No need for that

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Going by feats Raditz is enough to solo.

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either one of naruto sasuke or isshes claps nappa and raditz and then 3v1 isshiki naruto and sasuke vs vegeta and then naruto sasuke and isshiki wins mid diff at most

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Either Raditz solos

Or they just palnt a group of Sabiaman to solo.

Faster combat speed, and higher physicals by an absurd amount

Show me any Naruto character tanking a moon level attack and we can maybe make a case for maybe fighting Raditz

And no, Toneri's beam is not a moon level attack

You don't need moon level force to cut moon in half with that type of range and distance

Especially hollow one

think of gravity and mass that feat was actually a small planet level feat (I can give link to the calc if needed)

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Raditz solos

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Lol hopefully these threads die down after the new chapter.

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@ragegod said:

Raditz solos

Anyone on Naruto team solos

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@rdcdesmond: I suppose boring him to death is a viable tactic, otherwise no

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#20  Edited By Kemono_dono

Why Does Raditz look like a female? Lol

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@mattyboi said:

Going by feats Raditz is enough to solo.

Really? I thought you had this team above moon level? Did you change your mind for some rason?

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@kemono_dono: I mean the guy in your avi could pass as a woman? Does it matter? lol

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Saiyan in a stomp.

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Naruto team.

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Team 1 rapes.

Inb4 the wank.

Inb4 the outliers.

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Vegeta wipes them out along with the verse

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@monstar572: ikr everyone wanks that feat it’s country+ level in AP with Continental Range at best which is consistent with previous feats from teen naruto and Sasuke with six paths powers and they didnt get much stronger from then up to da last movie

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@sauce_god31 said:

@monstar572: ikr everyone wanks that feat it’s country+ level in AP with Continental Range at best which is consistent with previous feats from teen naruto and Sasuke with six paths powers and they didnt get much stronger from then up to da last movie

What you are saying makes sense if you actually look at the combat feats opposed to scaling.

War Arc Naurto and Sasuke's best quantifiable feat in Shippuden was cutting up and destroying a bunch of large island sized meteors over a small country.

And this same Naruto could combat Kaguya.

The Continental + Range comes from scaling and The Last Movie

No feats in Boruto come even remotely close to what is shown in The Last

I personally give the God Tiers at least Continental AP with Ninjustu based attacks as a Safety Medium

None of that Planetary nonsense

And God Tiers don't scale to Expanding Truth Seeking Ball in physicals

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@monstar572: ikr everyone wanks that feat it’s country+ level in AP with Continental Range at best which is consistent with previous feats from teen naruto and Sasuke with six paths powers and they didnt get much stronger from then up to da last movie

Shonen don’t need to be consistent all the time

Large tier jumps have always been a thing since before you and I were born

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#30  Edited By RDCDesmond

@monstar572 said:
@sauce_god31 said:

@monstar572: ikr everyone wanks that feat it’s country+ level in AP with Continental Range at best which is consistent with previous feats from teen naruto and Sasuke with six paths powers and they didnt get much stronger from then up to da last movie

What you are saying makes sense if you actually look at the combat feats opposed to scaling.

Imagine thinking combat is the only way to judge AP

War Arc Naurto and Sasuke's best quantifiable feat in Shippuden was cutting up and destroying a bunch of large island sized meteors over a small country.

Yeah that’s DC only. They both scale to Planet + - Multi Planet AP due to gaining Hagoromo boost and contending with God Tree Juubi Jin Madara

AP > DC

And this same Naruto could combat Kaguya.

Kaguya has Dwarf Star AP due To With her own energy creating Her own time space with a dwarf star and planets. She got weaker and weaker due to dimension swapping constantly. Going from Dwarf Star down to Multi Planet.

The Continental + Range comes from scaling and The Last Movie

AP > DC

No feats in Boruto come even remotely close to what is shown in The Last

No feats in Android and Cell Saga come remotely close to Piccolo destroying the Moon in DC wise.

I personally give the God Tiers at least Continental AP with Ninjustu based attacks as a Safety Medium

Lowball opinion but at least you a fan of the franchise that’s all that counts

None of that Planetary nonsense
You right it’s almost 2021 Planetsry is so 2016.. Dwarf Star lv is where it’s at

And God Tiers don't scale to Expanding Truth Seeking Ball in physicals

Internal energy is a thing. It’s used for matter manipulation and creating a dwarf star and planets. Internal energy = Chakra. Chakra = Mind + Body + Soul. Their very life in a way is connected to making these dimensions. So they cannot be millions of times weaker in combat.

If they amplified their energy into their fists and punches like Sakura then yes They physically would scale. But too bad AP isn’t just physical feats.

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#31  Edited By Monstar572

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Imagine thinking combat is the only way to judge AP

Yes. It's the best way the judge AP

If said character can't even reduce Island at best level Kages to atoms with a touch, it's a good indication , no actually, direct confirmation they aren't as strong as you think

If Naruto whose best quantifiable feat prior was small country level and could damage Kaguya, it's a direct confirmation Kaguya's durability isn't as strong as you think.

Yeah that’s DC only. They both scale to Planet + - Multi Planet AP due to gaining Hagoromo boost and contending with God Tree Juubi Jin Madara

You need feats to prove this scaling.

There are none.

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@sauce_god31 said:

@monstar572: ikr everyone wanks that feat it’s country+ level in AP with Continental Range at best which is consistent with previous feats from teen naruto and Sasuke with six paths powers and they didnt get much stronger from then up to da last movie

What you are saying makes sense if you actually look at the combat feats opposed to scaling.

True, everybody tries to scale from kaguya when kaguya herself is'nt even planetary in AP even with ETSO. First of all TSO is Hax that ignores durability which means it has no busting power and does'nt correlate to stats on top of that it was'nt even an immediate threat to her dimension, it was going to grow overtime until it was powerful enough to be considered anywhere near planetary and without a timeframe that could be several minutes or hours for all we know, my point is she cant produce that kind of power in combat which makes scaling off her invalid

War Arc Naurto and Sasuke's best quantifiable feat in Shippuden was cutting up and destroying a bunch of large island sized meteors over a small country.

And this same Naruto could combat Kaguya.

The Continental + Range comes from scaling and The Last Movie

No feats in Boruto come even remotely close to what is shown in The Last

Exactly, Kinshiki got rocked off his feet by the current tsuchikage with a single blow then proceeded to get easily sealed by her and the mizukage brat and struggled to break free. Momoshiki feared a strictly taijutsu encounter with the kages even though most of them scale below the sound ninja 4 in physicals, momoshiki had to eat a chakra pill just to absorb a single mini bijuu bomb from bee, fused momoshiki was overpowerd by gaara's sand and worst of all he was consistently harmed by boruto a fucking GENIN ! yet these fodder ostosuski members were supposedly a threat to kaguya? There's no way she could even be moon level in AP let alone planetary or dwarf star level, even continental is being extremely generous but I suppose she can reach that level with some charge time which still is'nt combat applicable. naruto fans scream PiS all day but that's literally their only showings and they're consistently portrayed to be mid tier kage level I wouldnt even consider them god tiers, the only way you can justify it is by wanking the kages to planetary and good luck convincing people of that.

I personally give the God Tiers at least Continental AP with Ninjustu based attacks as a Safety Medium

As I mentioned in the post above Continental is a stretch since not even kaguya,hagaromo or any otsosuki member,six paths user has a single clear cut continental AP or durability feat I can think of, I have them at country+ to Large country at Max

None of that Planetary nonsense

Agreed

And God Tiers don't scale to Expanding Truth Seeking Ball in physicals

At all, honestly physicals are the weakest attributes for god tiers even if we look at the series as a whole Sakura,Tsunade,might guy,the Raikages,naruto's kyubii forms, the sound ninja 4, and one rinnegan senjutsu madara have the best physical feats in the whole verse and majority of other characters only scale above them in ninjutsu and hax while severely lacking in physicals,even naruto was trash in physicals until he learned sage mode which still scales below some of the people I mentioned in overall physical stats, sasuke didnt get any signifigant physical boost until he obtained six paths chakra but overall it explains while some otsosuki have fodder physicals(momoshiki) while others are more impressive in that department(kinshiki) they all have different strengths and weaknesses which is always what naruto has been about so trying to scale them like dragonball does'nt make sense in the grand scheme of things

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why Vegeta looks so petite and tiny there

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vegeta breaths,inb4 star lvl with 0 feats to support it

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@sauce_god31 said:

@monstar572: ikr everyone wanks that feat it’s country+ level in AP with Continental Range at best which is consistent with previous feats from teen naruto and Sasuke with six paths powers and they didnt get much stronger from then up to da last movie

Shonen don’t need to be consistent all the time

Large tier jumps have always been a thing since before you and I were born

The large tier jumps part is true i'll give u that but the thing is naruto and sasuke already got their massive power boost when they received six paths power from hagaromo and their best feats in those modes are Large island to small country level even with scaling from ten tails,jubiito,juudara, and kaguya there isn't anything close to even continental except vague statements and databook entries that can be interpreted in 100 different ways. ten tails most impressive attack was large island to small country level at best jubiito scales above that since he has all that power in a more controlled and effective form and he tore down the hokage barrier that tanked said bijuu bomb with chakra arms, other than that ig you could wank the sword of nyoboku by misinterpreting jubiito's staement of destroying the world with it which would've clearly been over time and would'nt scale to AP. Juudara's best feat is tearing apart frost country with rinnegan hax(island level feat) Six paths naruto responded by destroying a good number of madara's meteors simutaneously with a bijuu rasenshuriken barrage which turns out to be island+ level, now i'm not gonna lowball ans say so6p naruto and madara cap at island because they should definitely scale above jubiito and ten tails putting them at small country level with ninjutsu and hax but then we have kaguya oh boy. first of all is made clear that she's well above so6p madara in terms of raw chakra but most of her feats were performed while being amped by the divine tree even prime kaguya has no impressive showings without being connected to the divine tree so that alone rules out any scaling of other otsosuki members to her besides those that are cleary superior to her via feats or statements momo and kinshiki are weaker than her since they had to constanly consume chakra pills and merge to be any kind of threat to mid tier kages and weakened naruto and sasuke, now back to kaguya her best feat is controlling all that ice in her ice dimension, scaling wise she obviously scales above so6p naruto,madara, and sasuke their only chance of beating her was with a seal lent to them by hagaromo so they did'nt even defeat her with their own power. Kaguya's ETSO is irrelevant since it's durability ignoring hax that does'nt correlate to her AP but i'll bring it up anyway since this is the main source of most of the naruto wank, ok even if we ignore the properties of TSO and gauge it's immediate AP without having to grow overtime(which is what it does to eventually be capable of destroying her dimension)

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Comparing kaguya's ETSO to sasuke's perfect susanoo which is'nt even standard mountain size you can clearly see the full form of the susanoo even though it's right next to it, using that as basis we can determine kaguya's ETSO is about island to Large island level in AP with potential to become anywhere from planetary to star level overtime naruto and sasuke were'nt dealing with that kind of AP when they fought kaguya therefore they don't scale to it the ETSO was only in the island level ranges when it was first created and no opponent is gonna wait around for kaguya to build up planetary levels of chakra for an attack even if it is'nt in the form of ETSO which is why it's not combat applicable. hopefully you learned something from this I mean this is a ninja series which started with above average humans compared to then island to small country level feats is a massive jump in the power scale which would easily be considered god tier in such a verse and makes much more sense.

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Saiyans fodderize and speed blitz.

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@sauce_god31: You lost me at best feats are large island lv

AP > DC

The Saiyan teams gets stomped

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@heavenly said:

vegeta breaths,inb4 star lvl with 0 feats to support it

Ootutsuki like Kaguya can create and destroy their own time space with a dwarf star and planets

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Momoshiki can create his own time space with a dwarf star and planets who was killed by Naruto another High God Tier

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Isshiki created his own time space where Kara Hideout is and can destroy it. Although it does lack signs of a Sun / Star he still scales to dwarf star lv via scaling higher than Kaguya and Momoshiki. It could could have a dwarf star but it’s clouds be heavily covering it so that no sunlight in indicated similar to Momoshiki reddish planet which had thick clouds that were only dispersed and shown sunlight when naruto Rasengan shot into the atmosphere

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Creating a dwarf star + planets with mass with their own energy chakra which are connected to their life but they are millions of times weaker when it comes to a fight ? Lol makes no sense

Is obviously takes a strong chakra to pretty much perform 90% of feats in verse.
Obito forming and condensing the

Nunoboku Sword which took large energy and chakra.

Madara performing I.T took a large chakra to perform expanding roots of I.T tree across entire surface of planet in mins

Toneri moving the moon with Tenseigan golden barrier which is a large amount of chakra that can even survive the moon being destroyed and can revive a dying planet with its energy chakra

Creation of time spaces done with their own large chakra reserves and power should as well

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@heavenly said:

vegeta breaths,inb4 star lvl with 0 feats to support it

Ootutsuki like Kaguya can create and destroy their own time space with a dwarf star and planets

irrelevant, dwarf planets are smaller then the moon and not all stars are equal sizes, there is no evidence that their stars are even comparable to our own star or even the smallest stars in the universe if you're going to assume,ill do it to. You dont even know if its a real star or not considering it all in the background

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Momoshiki can create his own time space with a dwarf star and planets who was killed by Naruto another High God Tier

again, irrelevant no dc/ap feats to support such a thing

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Isshiki created his own time space where Kara Hideout is and can destroy it. Although it does lack signs of a Sun / Star he still scales to dwarf star lv via scaling higher than Kaguya and Momoshiki. It could could have a dwarf star but it’s clouds be heavily covering it so that no sunlight in indicated similar to Momoshiki reddish planet which had thick clouds that were only dispersed and shown sunlight when naruto Rasengan shot into the atmosphere

So your conceding that their "stars" may not even be stars? You dont even know if they're lighting their planes with their own chakra instead of some nuclear fission star. Assumptions assumptions

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refer to the above points, only feats get respect in debates, not baseless assumptions based off vague evidence to support an incoherent point to win a clear mismatch debate

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@heavenly: ”irrelevant, dwarf planets are smaller then the moon and not all stars are equal sizes, there is no evidence that their stars are even comparable to our own star or even the smallest stars in the universe if you're going to assume,ill do it to. You dont even know if its a real star or not considering it all in the background”

Do you have actual COUNTER proof that these planets are very small ? Ice planet actually had two moons and Core planet also has a moon. Not to mention gravity has to be above a small planet considering it’s insane gravity.

And LMFAO I never said their Star was as big as our sun. I said their star was a dwarf star.

Our sun > dwarf star.

Even if it’s size is unknown it still is and works like a star. Which is clearly shown in two of her dimensions. Obviously you can see her time space had a day / night cycyle and the very manga shows us it’s a freaking star

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“So your conceding that their "stars" may not even be stars? You dont even know if they're lighting their planes with their own chakra instead of some nuclear fission star. Assumptions assumptions”

You would need a hell of a better argument and like 3 debaters helping you to ever get me to concede ..at least someone of your caliber would lol

LMFAO wait what ???? WHAT did you just say ???

They are Lighting their planes that’s why they have light ?? That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard On comicvine all year 😂😂

So you’re saying they are lighting their time space with their own energy ?

You DO realize Kaguya Sun / Star still played its role once she was sealed n her chakra cut off. Nnnn Momoshiki Star still shined after he was killed

And here’s a picture of Kishi drawing Sun

Our Sun

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I honestly didnt plan on debunking you so bad but once I saw the “they didn’t create a star they only lit up their dimension with light“ BS I had to super debunk ya head top

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@heavenly: ”irrelevant, dwarf planets are smaller then the moon and not all stars are equal sizes, there is no evidence that their stars are even comparable to our own star or even the smallest stars in the universe if you're going to assume,ill do it to. You dont even know if its a real star or not considering it all in the background”

Do you have actual COUNTER proof that these planets are very small ? Ice planet actually had two moons and Core planet also has a moon. Not to mention gravity has to be above a small planet considering it’s insane gravity.

And LMFAO I never said

Do you have any proof in the first place? I don't need counter proof if there's no proof on your side for me to counter with proof, again your entire argument is based on assuming things. Also, gravity doesn't necessarily correlate with size, the "planet" could just be dense.

their Star was as big as our sun. I said their star was a dwarf star.

Our sun > dwarf star.

Even if it’s size is unknown it still is and works like a star. Which is clearly shown in two of her dimensions. Obviously you can see her time space had a day / night cycyle and the very manga shows us it’s a freaking star

Thanks for admitting that you have no proof that the star is even comparable to the star level requirement as set by Vs battle and other metrics. Also a day night cycle isnt a feat it just shows that the plane moves on an axis, ah yes vauge circles mean jy character is star level oh yeah

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“So your conceding that their "stars" may not even be stars? You dont even know if they're lighting their planes with their own chakra instead of some nuclear fission star. Assumptions assumptions”

You would need a hell of a better argument and like 3 debaters helping you to ever get me to concede ..at least someone of your caliber would lol

LMFAO wait what ???? WHAT did you just say ???

They are Lighting their planes that’s why they have light ?? That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard On comicvine all year 😂😂

So you’re saying they are lighting their time space with their own energy ?

You DO realize Kaguya Sun / Star still played its role once she was sealed n her chakra cut off. Nnnn Momoshiki Star still shined after he was killed

And here’s a picture of Kishi drawing Sun

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I honestly didnt plan on debunking you so bad but once I saw the “they didn’t create a star they only lit up their dimension with light“ BS I had to super debunk ya head top

LMAO. Your argument is, well uh he drew the sun as a circle in this panel and he did it again in this panel so uh their star is 100000000% confirmed same as sun,what do you mean Kishimoto didn't plan on brainless scaling his manga and just drew it the same for convenience? IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!

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This is why i dont debate narutards,theyre incoherient.

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@rdcdesmond: show me anything above country+ level AP in naruto and to argue AP you would have to have some kind of feats to scale off of to prove a certain level of AP which is nonexistent in naruto.

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@rdcdesmond: show me anything above country+ level AP in naruto and to argue AP you would have to have some kind of feats to scale off of to prove a certain level of AP which is nonexistent in naruto.

bbbut but kishimoto drew the same circle!!!!!!! What do you mean its an outlier or literally false....grrrr grgggrrrr gggrrr

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@heavenly said:
@sauce_god31 said:

@rdcdesmond: show me anything above country+ level AP in naruto and to argue AP you would have to have some kind of feats to scale off of to prove a certain level of AP which is nonexistent in naruto.

bbbut but kishimoto drew the same circle!!!!!!! What do you mean its an outlier or literally false....grrrr grgggrrrr gggrrr

Don’t even tag me anymore bruh you are really making the most slowest post ever.

”ThOsE ArEnT eVeN sTaRs ThEy LiT tHe tImE SpAcE SkY uP wItH tHeIr EnErGy”

dumbest thing I ever read

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@rdcdesmond: show me anything above country+ level AP in naruto and to argue AP you would have to have some kind of feats to scale off of to prove a certain level of AP which is nonexistent in naruto.
Creating planets with mass and a small star requires a large amount of energy and even more energy to destroy. I literally posted

Post 38 literally debunked you all😭

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@heavenly said:
@sauce_god31 said:

@rdcdesmond: show me anything above country+ level AP in naruto and to argue AP you would have to have some kind of feats to scale off of to prove a certain level of AP which is nonexistent in naruto.

bbbut but kishimoto drew the same circle!!!!!!! What do you mean its an outlier or literally false....grrrr grgggrrrr gggrrr

Don’t even tag me anymore bruh you are really making the most slowest post ever.

”ThOsE ArEnT eVeN sTaRs ThEy LiT tHe tImE SpAcE SkY uP wItH tHeIr EnErGy”

dumbest thing I ever read

i enevr said they did,i said you cant prove they didnt. which you havent done. Anyway imma stop responding,i cant lose anymore braincels to your retard arguments. also naruto is a trash protag

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@heavenly said:
@rdcdesmond said:
@heavenly said:
@sauce_god31 said:

@rdcdesmond: show me anything above country+ level AP in naruto and to argue AP you would have to have some kind of feats to scale off of to prove a certain level of AP which is nonexistent in naruto.

bbbut but kishimoto drew the same circle!!!!!!! What do you mean its an outlier or literally false....grrrr grgggrrrr gggrrr

Don’t even tag me anymore bruh you are really making the most slowest post ever.

”ThOsE ArEnT eVeN sTaRs ThEy LiT tHe tImE SpAcE SkY uP wItH tHeIr EnErGy”

dumbest thing I ever read

i enevr said they did,i said you cant prove they didnt. which you havent done. Anyway imma stop responding,i cant lose anymore braincels to your retard arguments. also naruto is a trash protag

Lmfao. Naruto is a trash protagonist ? Okay so because you don’t like him that means he is weaker than your perspective by default ? 😂

And proof that they created these time spaces ?

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For instance I don’t like Ywach that doesn’t mean I’m gonna lowball tf out of him to only country lv.

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@heavenly: lol this dude is a comedian “bbbut madara spread the divine tree roots and put the entire planet under gengutsu ! Planetary Naruto Confirmed !!!”